Except the train ride only one person needs to go. The other both have to go. Therefore it's actually more expensive since that 75 is for on epwrson not both.
Same here in indonesia. If you live in jakarta and surabaya, its cheaper to met in singapore rather than jakarta-surabaya road trip (highway fee plus fuel)
Had to go some place yesterday, no busses straight there. It's only about 20 miles away. The train to get there has four connections and would take around an hour and a half for the megure price of £95. Got two busses to a nearer town and got a train from there, and cost £8 for that train and £8.50 for the busses, but cost me 7 hours + for the round trip. It would be only about £90 for the round trip by Uber, and that is door to door service. Train prices in the UK don't make sense.
It's unfortunately true that British train tickets are crazy expensive. There was a story that an 21 year old student took an £15.99 flight from Newcastle to Menorca and then a £10.99 flight from Menorca to London (all together £26.97) + renting a car (£7.50) and an cocktail (£4) altogether costing £38.48 The direct train from Newcastle to London cost £78.50! He ended up saving £40. UK train tickets are expensive, particularly if you're taking a long train journey from the North East of England to the capital in South East England.
I live in the UK and everyone knows that domestic trains cost more than flying around europe. Train services have a monopoly, budget airlines dont. Compared to the U.S. its insanely cheap to fly 1000 miles in europe. Manchester to berlin is £22 return. To italy its £30, to norway its 40, Switzerland £50, etc. Our government leases out the railway system to their rich pals, who's companies rip us off. Once their 5yr lease is up, we the taxpayer have to pay to maintain the lines. Private rail companies ripping us off on the tickets, + 20% sales tax, plus billions of taxpayers money for maintaining lines. The water company is now doing the same.
As a canadian with family in Europe, true!!! My aunt in Spain always travels Europe for like 30 euros while in Canada, flying out of my hometown of sudbury ontario to Toronto (4 hours by vehicle) is a $1000. That was back during Christmas time so the flights now, though cheaper, are still at LEAST 300 dollars per person.
This also happens in Indonesia! I come from Batam (a small city near Singapore) and now work in Balikpapan, East Kalimantan (a big city near IKN Nusantara, our new/future capital). There are no direct flight from Balikpapan to Batam, so I have to transit in Jakarta and this one way flight costs at least IDR 2,000,000 (USD 128), whereas if I take a plane from Balikpapan to Singapore (but I have to book tickets from far-away days and go off-time season to get the cheap price) and then take ferry to Batam, I can save money and only spend IDR 700,000 (Balikpapan-Singapore) + IDR 400,000 (Singapore-Batam) = IDR 1,100,000 (USD 70). On the other hand, I have friend who come from Tanjung Redeb/Berau, this city is still on the same island of Kalimantan and still part of East Kalimantan Province. The distance between Balikpapan - Tanjung Redeb/Berau is around 620 kilometers and travel time by land from Balikpapan to Tanjung Redeb/Berau is around 14 hours. And do you know how much a flight ticket from Balikpapan to Tanjung Redeb/Berau costs? That's at least IDR 1,500,000 (USD 96)! Well, this happens a lot in Indonesia. Flights to abroad (especially to Singapore, Kuala Lumpur and Bangkok) are cheaper than domestic flights.
That’s not just the UK. Anywhere where European low-cost airlines operate is like that. I once flew Madrid to Paris back and forth for €40. The train both ways wouldn’t cost me over €200
Ah but that's international trains, they tend to be more expensive. UK trains are ridiculously expensive to the point that many people will use coaches instead
@@RedAndYellacuddlyFella all over Europe ther are privat rail companies - the problem in the UK was that a Staat created a Monopoly under it - a then privatized it - no competition means no improvements
@@baronbrummbar8691😂 that's capitalism You ether get a private civilian trying to power trip one resource Or communism Where the leader picks a representative for that resource 🤷♂️ Don't lie to yourself, government is not your friend 😂
@@1stdaybreaker707so you're saying they've a inefficient railway system to meet the public demand and rather then fixing that they try to make scarcity from using demand as their leverage to hike up the ticket prices? seems like they're trying to make profit out of this? why your government is doing that? don't they know that public transportation isn't about profit?
It’s very common in the uk where budget airlines pay no tax on fuel so can be crazy cheap and the more sensible railways are stupidly expensive. They could have investigated coach travel but it’s difficult to do meaningful cost comparison. When I worked on trade promotion for the uk government in the 00s I often set up meetings of my regional team, who were scattered across the Uk - in a European capital. If I set up the meeting many months in advance, the fares could be as low as £11 and I had the advantage that I could book free meeting rooms at the British Embassy. It wold take not much effort from a new Labour government to make practical changes to bring about a renaissance in UK train travel
The market is so efficient. I'm so glad we sold off all our rail infrastructure built with taxpayers' money to private companies at ridiculously cheap prices. I love renting our trains from Japanese and German companies while the regional rail companies look to cut costs and raise prices at every opportunity. Running public utilities for the benefit of wealthy shareholders is much more sensible than running them for the benefit of the public.
American railroads are public, and you, they aren't doig so good either. And on the other hand, Japan's Railroads are private and they are considered to be one of the finest in the world so... Idk man it just ain't that easy
Wait…what? Why is everyone here blaming privatized rail when the real “culprit” here appears to be the runaway success of privatized air travel? The prices that (I’m presuming) Ryanair is able to get for you Brits is just astounding. 😮
For context, the cheapest Newcastle-Birmingham flight today is £82. With a £20 taxi ride either end and you're about the same cost as a train ticket. Meanwhile the cheapest option I've found is a 7hr coach for £50 return
There is no market, place, sustem or era where and when full privatisation or full nationalisation had worked. It's just tools that work under certain conditions. Imagine declaring screwdrivers a heresy and trying to use only pliers from now on or vice versa?
Privatization is good when the government can adequately create a competitor to the private company, while being able to adequately fund nonprofitable routes
I saw some broke Scandinavian college students literally SAVE money by flying Ryanair to Poland to spend their Friday night out there (going from the club straight to the airport to fly home at 6AM Saturday) - compared to their average big party night in Stockholm/Copenhagen 😅 And they saved like over 30€ too, round trip all expenses included 😂😂 It’s honestly insane.
This is what most Polish people who immigrated from Poland do. A Michelin star full course meal costs £100 in Warsaw, same one would run you £500 in London. Tickets are like 30/40£ off season. I went out and got stupid drunk once in Poland with 4 mates, paid for everyone and spent £80-90£. Compared to when I went out with 2 mates in London, went to a club and bought 4 beers and 2 drinks. I was down 100£ and barely tipsy.
@@EnamDuaIDN if you put indonesian map it will span entire europe. So the comparison isn't apple to apple. It's like comparing the two cities in java to go from britain to iceland or something
That is very common in last minute tickets. The plane companies obviously don't profit, they are just minimizing the loss, because they didn't fill the plane with passengers in time. There are a lot of tickets that cost even 20$.
Nah you can get these cheap tickets months ahead of time, as somebody mentioned here if you travel with just your backpack. The people taking luggage and everything for their holiday are paying for the plane anyways.
Technically, they would have both needed to get plane tickets, but only one would have needed to purchase a train ticket, so that was technically cheaper. Not by much, though. Plus, this way, they get a mini vacation.
Meanwhile I'm over here in Germany paying 50€ a month so that I can take all forms of public transit ( with the exception of ICE trains) to any area in Germany I want, however many times I want. Who in their right mind thinks it's okay to charge 105 Pounds for one single train ride?
Germany and other EU countries understand the importance of a single strong, nationalized rail company for network integrity The UK sadly abandoned that model and privatized their country’s rail network, which has resulted in nothing but headaches and higher fares for the public
@@kral3046inter city express. basicalley the fastest trains in germany. part of the truth is that they just introduced the 50€-tickets recently and regular tickets are similar in prices to the ones in UK. And: Deutsche Bahn is always late, its ridiculous for such „developed“ country.
@@koenigsbleu Yeah the lateness is a signified meme at this point. But, is it only their speed that sets them apart or also the expansion of their routes too? (i.e going to more cities than regular trains and/or going to other countries as well, like The Netherlands or France etc.)
@@kral3046 they cover a lot more distance for sure and I think almost every long distance train leaving germany is an ICE, but Im not totally sure. you can get around all of germany easily through regional trains though, its definitely slower but probably more reliable as ICEs are canceled the most.
My friend from Stafford flew all the way to Mallorca to see his Mum instead of taking the train from Newcastle to Stafford, because of how expensive the Trains are in the UK.
It would cost £150 for both of them to fly to Malaga, but only £105 for one of them to go from Newcastle to Birmingham, if they pay half each for the train fair that would be only £52.50 each, leaving £45 to spend on a Balti and beers.
I agree , this is my experience from 2016 . It is super expensive to travel to London from Ipswich by train , than to travel to Stansted by bus and then take a flight to Dublin or Frankfurt Hahn from there I did explored more Europe than London during my 1 year in Suffolk
No need, just look right at the source: privatization of UKs rail system. Handing essential services over to corporations promotes price gouging and volatile market conditions. Any money in a Tory’s bank account related to the matter will have come from the new owners of the railway, who got it by squeezing UK rail riders who need transportation. Focus on the source of the problem.
Im from europe (where supposedly trains are better then the US) and found the same thing. If you’re going a shorter route trains get out competed by regional busses, even tough they’re taxed and the trains subsedised
They're better than in the US because here in the US there are barely any trains. If you live in Chicago and are trying to get to another big city you're fine, but otherwise there's not really anything reliable. Not only are the trains expensive, they don't stop at many places
Going from my city to one that I can drive to in 4 hours takes 12 hours and 200 dollars. Trains are better anywhere than the US because most places don't use them as actual transport for people. They're mostly freight or people that want to sight see.
There was a case a few years ago, where a student flew from his college in the North, to his family home in the South of the UK, via Berlin, because it was cheaper than travelling direct by train.
Recently read an article about a student in Canada that flys to college everyday. Apparently it cost him about $1500 per month to fly but renting a shitty apartment would cost him $2200 per month
same in Indonesia, domestic flights cost double or triple (if you heading around papua) than international flights to Thailand, or Australia even japan!!
Yuph... After Air Asia kicked out from domestic route, its become very expensive... Jakarta to Singapore (around IDR 500K) is cheaper than Jakarta to Surabaya (around IDR 900K)...
Coaches are well and good until your 2 hour trip turns in into a 6 hour one going through road works queues thanks to our so called 'Smart' motorways where revenue making Average Speed cameras are quick to be erected, but the road works never seem to end. 😅
That's what I do now. Coaches are so much more comfy than trains, have little curtains you can close if you want to snooze. I got one from Birmingham to Heathrow once for £6.50. Train was £85!
What everyone seems to miss is that it takes just one person to go from Newcastle to Birmingham or the other way around, while it takes two people to fly to Málaga to actually meet up. So you'd have to double the cost of the flights. Same for the trip back!
It's not cheaper if you have a Railcard discount, which you can get if you're 16-25, 26-30, 60+, a family, disabled or a veteran. Train prices are also very confusing, and often if you buy multiple tickets for short journeys instead of one for the whole way you'll save money (although most booking websites do this automatically now). Last minute train prices in the UK can also be enormously more expensive than if you just book the night before. London to Manchester is usually around £30 for a single, but if you book an anytime return at the last minute you might have to pay £370. Long journeys also quite often have delays, and you can legally claim back 25-100% of your ticket price depending on how long the delay is.
It's not uncommon to see prices around £100 for a 1.5h train from Cardiff to London, even when you book in advance. A train journey that short shouldn't be anywhere near that price.
Train tickets are a lottery in the UK. They’re insanely expensive but there’s also a 50/50 chance it’ll end up free because they refund you if the train is over two hours late
Not expensive at all, I paid £76 return to Tenerife from Birmingham with just a week to spare. £76 for 9 hours of flying. £38 return flight from Dublin. £48 to Edinburgh in advance. It's cheap. I flew New York to Los Angeles and that cost nearly $350 with American airlines. 2 weeks in advance.
@@YesHumphreyAppleby Less maintenance costs, less running costs, and less overheads compared to aircraft. Vehicles are cheaper, and they're (usually) travelling shorter distances, with less red-tape, and with employees that need much less training compared to their flying counterparts. Infrastructure at train stations is (obviously) minute compared to that of airports, so ticket prices shouldn't need to be offset to account for that (unlike landing fees in airports etc.)
It's probably about the same time to get there too with train delays and cancellations taken into account. The trail network in the UK has had any and all investments stripped away four decades.
Not just in the UK, all over Europe this is reality and its nuts. Start taxing these airlines and kerosine already and invest in public transportation. We are destroying the planet and you are basically forcing people to do it with these prices.
It's not all over Europe. Trains in Italy are €9 Here in the UK train drivers are literally the highest paid in all of Europe. They make almost double the average salary.
@@DaveWraptastic I have actually checked. For every £1 you pay in tickets, only 96.6% is given to staff, energy, maintenance and taxes. That means the greedy train corporations are keeping more than 3% of every ticket sale and all they have put in is a few billion quid and a bunch of management at the top. It's an outrage I tells ya
@@DaveWraptastic no. All the staffing costs are significantly higher. But I have a solution. I just refuse to give them anything. I'd rather take the bus and be slow
We have that issue in Canada too. It cost me $1200 for a round trip from Nova Scotia to Alberta or $1150 from nova scotia to Dominican Republic all inclusive 7days ! It's in sane
I wanted to go to a concert that wasn't touring in Scotland. Instead of getting an English date in London or Wolverhampton, I went to Madrid instead. Another time, I wanted to meet up with a friend in Birmingham. A plane ticket, domestic, would've been £200. The train was the same. A plane that had a layover in Dublin? £60. It's absolutely insane, especially given that I have a railcard AND I have to travel daily on the train to uni, and my family doesn't live near any airports (there aren't any in North Wales) so I HAVE to get the train.
The reason it’s more expensive is labor. It takes more people more hours to man a train than it does a plane. In the US that labor is subsidized to keep prices artificially low to make transit more feasible for more people. Apparently it isn’t the same in the UK.
Yeah it's the same in Germany. It is atrocious but you can take a plane to Morocco for like 30€ and a train between two major cities within the county costs three times as much. Politicians should really put a tax on kerosene cause that's so bad for the planet.
Has no one ever heard of a split fare train ticket? You can get a long train journey for less than half the price. The only tricky bit, is that your journey has to stop at a specific station whether you get off/change there or not.
As someone that lived there for a year Newcastle is actually a great place. Friendliest people you'll ever meet, great public transport, great nightlife and activities, nice big parks and beaches, and Northumberland has loads of interesting places to visit like Lindisfarne, Alnwick and Berwick upon Tweed. I was once looking at the map at a metro station and a guy from across the other platform asked if I needed help lol.
Not everybody owns a car ... I'll never own one. I can take care that I can get everywhere using public transport. I'm not going to help kill the planet while navigating streets that I have to share with people who feel like following traffic rules and safety precautions is an optional thing to do when ever you feel like it.
@@Blaidd7542 It's possible that neither of them has a driving licence. That was my main point. I just explained that my own reasons for not driving and never getting a driving licence have to do with the environment. I see that my comment sounded illogical.
Cars and Planes are also privatised, and generally work at a reasonable price. It's only trains and buses that truly don't work as private because of the necessary infrastructure and investment.
The same thing in Indonesia. Domestic flight between cities in Indonesia especially cities in different island is more expensive than fly abroad. For example, ticket from Jakarta to Balikpapan (East Kalimantan) is more expensive than Jakarta to Singapore. ☹️
Same here in Indonesia. To have a flight to Sumatera from Jakarta, sometimes, it's cheaper to transit first to Singapore/KL before we have a direct flight. 😂😂😂
Guy from Newcastle was doing that years ago, was in London for uni and he’d fly back and forth from home and uni with £30 flights stopping for lunch in Spain.
The reasoning is likely because travel by train is starting to loose popularity, whereas flying is the new fad. Fact of the matter is, people dont take the train like they used to. Yea the metro systems exist, but they are remnants.
I feel this pain. I moved to the south and everytime I want to visit my family up north I'm met with a choice: a five hour train ride for over 100 quid or a five hour coach ride for 30... HS2 was a wasted opportunity
For anyone outside of the UK, they run their train system the same at the US runs their healthcare system, with a mix of 'private' companies and public mandates and incentives that ends up being the worst of all worlds and options
This is common, people in the UK know how expensive the trains are. My friend and I have done this before and flew out to Dublin Ireland in the morning, met up then flew back to our respective homes in the evening... £87 vs £20 but this was 12 years ago.
Also, if you’re flying from london to budapest for example, take a look at connecting flights. It might be cheaper to get a flight from london to istanbul that just stops at budapest, and then just get off the plane.
UK trains are ridiculously expensive. There was a news article a few years ago where a student living in Manchester wanted to come home for Christmas. I believe he lived somewhere in Essex. Anyway, he flew from Manchester to Berlin, Berlin to Stansted. That cost him less than Manchester to his nearest train station. Absolutely stupid
Also, the train from Newcastle to Birmingham takes 2h30m-3h30 hours. The flight from Birmingham is 2h55m. The flight from Newcastle is 3h10m. Not only is it cheaper, it also takes equal and sometimes LESS time to get there.
This is why I always laugh when people here advocate for rail travel like they have in Europe over cars. That drive would cost ~$30 in gas, I could stop whenever I want and wouldn’t need to be packed in with hundreds of other people FOR THEEE HOURS.
Except it would cost you $70 in gas, take you 4 and a half hours with an hour of that being spent packed in with other people bumper to number doing 0 MPH on the M6
It seems like this is the case in most places. Its always cheaper to fly than take a train in Canada. It's also cheaper to go to another country, in most cases, than to go from a town to a random city (unless it's Vancouver or Toronto).
To be fair, ryanair will fly you across the world for a bag of chips and half of a subway sandwich
😂
But they will add additional charges if you have to breathe their air or use their toilet.😂
@annak8755 Or if you need to sit down, bring luggage or move, that's extra too haha
Props to them for figuring something out.
Prices have been like this for years, there’s just more competition for flights so lower costs for flights, it’s the same all over europe
Figuring out these prices is not that hard, but really doing it is another thing. That is reason the term "flight shaming" came up.
True
Except the train ride only one person needs to go. The other both have to go. Therefore it's actually more expensive since that 75 is for on epwrson not both.
@@blaidddrwg-ye9dy It was 55 for one person. Something is missing here.
Same here in indonesia. If you live in jakarta and surabaya, its cheaper to met in singapore rather than jakarta-surabaya road trip (highway fee plus fuel)
Economy class trains and buses “am I expensive?”
Had to go some place yesterday, no busses straight there. It's only about 20 miles away. The train to get there has four connections and would take around an hour and a half for the megure price of £95. Got two busses to a nearer town and got a train from there, and cost £8 for that train and £8.50 for the busses, but cost me 7 hours + for the round trip. It would be only about £90 for the round trip by Uber, and that is door to door service. Train prices in the UK don't make sense.
It's unfortunately true that British train tickets are crazy expensive.
There was a story that an 21 year old student took an £15.99 flight from Newcastle to Menorca and then a £10.99 flight from Menorca to London (all together £26.97) + renting a car (£7.50) and an cocktail (£4) altogether costing £38.48
The direct train from Newcastle to London cost £78.50!
He ended up saving £40. UK train tickets are expensive, particularly if you're taking a long train journey from the North East of England to the capital in South East England.
This is why you need to use split ticketing.
...or nationalize the train system, like a normal country @@xander1052
I am so glad I took a train from London to Edinburgh before the prices got ridiculous.
@@xander1052even then it’s still expensive
Seems like he had a good adventure for less of the price
A flight from London to Glasgow is often cheaper than a train ticket for the same journey. It's ridiculous really😂
Interesting
UK trains are a scam, it's really a shame for a purportedly "green" country to not prioritize this
It's WAY cheaper.
Waaaay cheaper and faster, used to fly Edinburgh to Gatwick for about 80-100 on a Sunday.
There no competition in the train industry, a friend just paid for fright to Portugal from uk for £40 recently
I live in the UK and everyone knows that domestic trains cost more than flying around europe.
Train services have a monopoly, budget airlines dont.
Compared to the U.S. its insanely cheap to fly 1000 miles in europe.
Manchester to berlin is £22 return. To italy its £30, to norway its 40, Switzerland £50, etc.
Our government leases out the railway system to their rich pals, who's companies rip us off. Once their 5yr lease is up, we the taxpayer have to pay to maintain the lines. Private rail companies ripping us off on the tickets, + 20% sales tax, plus billions of taxpayers money for maintaining lines.
The water company is now doing the same.
As a canadian with family in Europe, true!!! My aunt in Spain always travels Europe for like 30 euros while in Canada, flying out of my hometown of sudbury ontario to Toronto (4 hours by vehicle) is a $1000. That was back during Christmas time so the flights now, though cheaper, are still at LEAST 300 dollars per person.
This also happens in Indonesia! I come from Batam (a small city near Singapore) and now work in Balikpapan, East Kalimantan (a big city near IKN Nusantara, our new/future capital). There are no direct flight from Balikpapan to Batam, so I have to transit in Jakarta and this one way flight costs at least IDR 2,000,000 (USD 128), whereas if I take a plane from Balikpapan to Singapore (but I have to book tickets from far-away days and go off-time season to get the cheap price) and then take ferry to Batam, I can save money and only spend IDR 700,000 (Balikpapan-Singapore) + IDR 400,000 (Singapore-Batam) = IDR 1,100,000 (USD 70). On the other hand, I have friend who come from Tanjung Redeb/Berau, this city is still on the same island of Kalimantan and still part of East Kalimantan Province. The distance between Balikpapan - Tanjung Redeb/Berau is around 620 kilometers and travel time by land from Balikpapan to Tanjung Redeb/Berau is around 14 hours. And do you know how much a flight ticket from Balikpapan to Tanjung Redeb/Berau costs? That's at least IDR 1,500,000 (USD 96)! Well, this happens a lot in Indonesia. Flights to abroad (especially to Singapore, Kuala Lumpur and Bangkok) are cheaper than domestic flights.
That’s not just the UK. Anywhere where European low-cost airlines operate is like that. I once flew Madrid to Paris back and forth for €40. The train both ways wouldn’t cost me over €200
Ah but that's international trains, they tend to be more expensive. UK trains are ridiculously expensive to the point that many people will use coaches instead
UK trains are roughly 30% more expensive than other railways in Europe, that's the beauty of shareholders always watching the bottom line.
@@kimbrolyy Or just walk! ;-)
@@RedAndYellacuddlyFella
all over Europe ther are privat rail companies
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the problem in the UK was that a Staat created a Monopoly under it
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a then privatized it
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no competition means no improvements
@@baronbrummbar8691😂 that's capitalism
You ether get a private civilian trying to power trip one resource
Or communism
Where the leader picks a representative for that resource 🤷♂️
Don't lie to yourself, government is not your friend 😂
Okay but why would a train ticket even cost that much in the first place 💀
Epuity and inclussion.
It's all a scam.
It makes everything worse!
We need to get back to sanety and meritocrazy!!!
Demand, all major rail lines in the UK are operating at capacity and there is a demand based ticket system to prevent overcrowding.
Privatised but subsidised
Crazy inefficient. Strikes every month it seems
@@1stdaybreaker707so you're saying they've a inefficient railway system to meet the public demand and rather then fixing that they try to make scarcity from using demand as their leverage to hike up the ticket prices? seems like they're trying to make profit out of this? why your government is doing that? don't they know that public transportation isn't about profit?
It’s very common in the uk where budget airlines pay no tax on fuel so can be crazy cheap and the more sensible railways are stupidly expensive. They could have investigated coach travel but it’s difficult to do meaningful cost comparison. When I worked on trade promotion for the uk government in the 00s I often set up meetings of my regional team, who were scattered across the Uk - in a European capital. If I set up the meeting many months in advance, the fares could be as low as £11 and I had the advantage that I could book free meeting rooms at the British Embassy. It wold take not much effort from a new Labour government to make practical changes to bring about a renaissance in UK train travel
Any idea why their fuel is tax free?
The market is so efficient. I'm so glad we sold off all our rail infrastructure built with taxpayers' money to private companies at ridiculously cheap prices. I love renting our trains from Japanese and German companies while the regional rail companies look to cut costs and raise prices at every opportunity. Running public utilities for the benefit of wealthy shareholders is much more sensible than running them for the benefit of the public.
It’s sad how much British rail has been destroyed by privitization, everything’s more expensive and less efficient now
FALSEEEEEEEEEEE
@@XMoeiskingXno proof, no evidence, no knowledge
American railroads are public, and you, they aren't doig so good either. And on the other hand, Japan's Railroads are private and they are considered to be one of the finest in the world so... Idk man it just ain't that easy
@@felixgroove4016 the Japanese railroads were built by the British, the American ones weren’t.
Wait…what? Why is everyone here blaming privatized rail when the real “culprit” here appears to be the runaway success of privatized air travel?
The prices that (I’m presuming) Ryanair is able to get for you Brits is just astounding. 😮
For context, the cheapest Newcastle-Birmingham flight today is £82. With a £20 taxi ride either end and you're about the same cost as a train ticket. Meanwhile the cheapest option I've found is a 7hr coach for £50 return
I've found train tickets for £56. Yes you have to book a week in advance but it can be done.
Why would you get a taxi? Birmingham airport is very accessable by train, which is like 2 quid if you live centrally
Any other homeschoolers here remember this guy being one of the best parts of your school day
They should have booked a Megabus, it would have cost 52p max lol.
It’s because the UK train market is broken. Privatisation of the trains has not worked. Don’t do it.
There is no market, place, sustem or era where and when full privatisation or full nationalisation had worked. It's just tools that work under certain conditions. Imagine declaring screwdrivers a heresy and trying to use only pliers from now on or vice versa?
Every country that privatized transport has ruined it.
@@TheArklyte exactly Basic needs need to be nationalized. Which includes public transit
@@ganondorf66 Said that to Japan.
Privatization is good when the government can adequately create a competitor to the private company, while being able to adequately fund nonprofitable routes
I saw some broke Scandinavian college students literally SAVE money by flying Ryanair to Poland to spend their Friday night out there (going from the club straight to the airport to fly home at 6AM Saturday) - compared to their average big party night in Stockholm/Copenhagen 😅 And they saved like over 30€ too, round trip all expenses included 😂😂
It’s honestly insane.
Yeah but they had to spend €2.00 extra for something so ryanair is too expensive /s
This is what most Polish people who immigrated from Poland do. A Michelin star full course meal costs £100 in Warsaw, same one would run you £500 in London. Tickets are like 30/40£ off season. I went out and got stupid drunk once in Poland with 4 mates, paid for everyone and spent £80-90£. Compared to when I went out with 2 mates in London, went to a club and bought 4 beers and 2 drinks. I was down 100£ and barely tipsy.
I’ve got mates from Sweden that come over to Glasgow to go to football matches and they go hard when they are over because they think it’s so cheap 😂
The kind of dude that will remind the teacher that they forgot to collect the homework.
Try this with Norway 😁. For sure cheaper to get an all inclusive weekend abroad, than to meet each other with domestic flight or commute.
Similar to Indonesia, it is cheaper to go to Bangkok from Jakarta than to go to Tarakan in Borneo (roughly $100 v $150)
And cheaper to transit via KUL for East-West Indonesia flights than to remain fully domestic.
At least you can drive cheap in Indonesia. In this case even tho so close it's expensive to drive
@@sultan9giveweythe two locations are in different islands
@@EnamDuaIDN if you put indonesian map it will span entire europe. So the comparison isn't apple to apple. It's like comparing the two cities in java to go from britain to iceland or something
That is very common in last minute tickets. The plane companies obviously don't profit, they are just minimizing the loss, because they didn't fill the plane with passengers in time. There are a lot of tickets that cost even 20$.
Budget airlines like Ryanair and easyJet will often have tickets for these prices. I once flew for €9.99 because I booked really early
They really treat the flight as a bus service. If you book it with nothing more than the clothing on your back. It gets really cheap.
Nah you can get these cheap tickets months ahead of time, as somebody mentioned here if you travel with just your backpack. The people taking luggage and everything for their holiday are paying for the plane anyways.
@@swamidude2214 even if you just pay on the day. flying is just so cheap. As there is no tax on anything.
@@sirBrouwerjust flew to Barcelona. Ticket was £15 booked 2 days in advance. Same day it went up to £130
Always that one person to come out and say "well *I* can get cheap train tickets, you just have to *look* ..."
Lmao public transport is such a funny concept
Technically, they would have both needed to get plane tickets, but only one would have needed to purchase a train ticket, so that was technically cheaper. Not by much, though. Plus, this way, they get a mini vacation.
Yes but for 2 plane tickets it was £75.27 and for one train ticket it was £105
It combines two plane tickets to 75
Is the £75 for 2? Plus now they’ll also need a hotel and cost of a taxi or rental car.
@@gregweatherup9596 I thought it was £75 for one, but I could be wrong.
They would they need a car? Plus they might have needed a hotel room anyway.
Meanwhile I'm over here in Germany paying 50€ a month so that I can take all forms of public transit ( with the exception of ICE trains) to any area in Germany I want, however many times I want. Who in their right mind thinks it's okay to charge 105 Pounds for one single train ride?
Germany and other EU countries understand the importance of a single strong, nationalized rail company for network integrity
The UK sadly abandoned that model and privatized their country’s rail network, which has resulted in nothing but headaches and higher fares for the public
What is ICE and why is it left out?
@@kral3046inter city express. basicalley the fastest trains in germany. part of the truth is that they just introduced the 50€-tickets recently and regular tickets are similar in prices to the ones in UK. And: Deutsche Bahn is always late, its ridiculous for such „developed“ country.
@@koenigsbleu Yeah the lateness is a signified meme at this point.
But, is it only their speed that sets them apart or also the expansion of their routes too? (i.e going to more cities than regular trains and/or going to other countries as well, like The Netherlands or France etc.)
@@kral3046 they cover a lot more distance for sure and I think almost every long distance train leaving germany is an ICE, but Im not totally sure. you can get around all of germany easily through regional trains though, its definitely slower but probably more reliable as ICEs are canceled the most.
One train ticket vs 2 flight tickets
"It was cheaper," is the best excuse for a cross-continental vacation I've ever heard.
The same thing going on about flight price in Indonesia
It's much cheaper to fly to Singapore than fly to Batam from Jakarta 🗿
To be fair, Singapore and Batam are literally right next to each other.
@@calculuscondensed812pretty sure he’s starting from Jakarta too
My friend from Stafford flew all the way to Mallorca to see his Mum instead of taking the train from Newcastle to Stafford, because of how expensive the Trains are in the UK.
It would cost £150 for both of them to fly to Malaga, but only £105 for one of them to go from Newcastle to Birmingham, if they pay half each for the train fair that would be only £52.50 each, leaving £45 to spend on a Balti and beers.
It's because the UK is deep into socialism right now so everything the government touches is ridiculously expensive.
I agree , this is my experience from 2016 . It is super expensive to travel to London from Ipswich by train , than to travel to Stansted by bus and then take a flight to Dublin or Frankfurt Hahn from there
I did explored more Europe than London during my 1 year in Suffolk
Rail tickets in the UK tend to be pretty inflated outside of Lumo and TfL, case caused by the privatisation of British Rail in '94.
well what do you expect to happen if you create a Monopoly and then sell it in 1 piece
Ig vacations when they wanna see each other😂😂
That what 10 years of a Tory government get ya
We need to check the banks of politicians
No need, just look right at the source: privatization of UKs rail system. Handing essential services over to corporations promotes price gouging and volatile market conditions. Any money in a Tory’s bank account related to the matter will have come from the new owners of the railway, who got it by squeezing UK rail riders who need transportation. Focus on the source of the problem.
@@973reggiewhat about Japan though, it worked there
@@felixgroove4016I think there's more competition in Japan. In the UK the government grant companies regional monopolies
@@felixgroove4016I’m from Japan and have visited the UK. I don’t believe ticket prices are more expensive in the UK than Japan.
For us it is cheaper to fly to Mallorca than the train from Hamburg to Munich.
This explain a lot
Barbs is finding out how messed up U.K. trains are… hooo this will be a rabbit hole and a half if he chooses to go down it.
Im from europe (where supposedly trains are better then the US) and found the same thing.
If you’re going a shorter route trains get out competed by regional busses, even tough they’re taxed and the trains subsedised
They're better than in the US because here in the US there are barely any trains. If you live in Chicago and are trying to get to another big city you're fine, but otherwise there's not really anything reliable. Not only are the trains expensive, they don't stop at many places
Going from my city to one that I can drive to in 4 hours takes 12 hours and 200 dollars. Trains are better anywhere than the US because most places don't use them as actual transport for people. They're mostly freight or people that want to sight see.
Trains in eu are better.
Its just the companies start caring less and less about people and more about profit
trains in the UK aren't subsidised, they subsidise European trains.
@@HarryWessex definitely not all of Europe though
This is why I don't use trains anymore, I use bus or coach to go anywhere because it's a fraction of the price
There was a case a few years ago, where a student flew from his college in the North, to his family home in the South of the UK, via Berlin, because it was cheaper than travelling direct by train.
Recently read an article about a student in Canada that flys to college everyday. Apparently it cost him about $1500 per month to fly but renting a shitty apartment would cost him $2200 per month
same in Indonesia, domestic flights cost double or triple (if you heading around papua) than international flights to Thailand, or Australia even japan!!
Yuph...
After Air Asia kicked out from domestic route, its become very expensive...
Jakarta to Singapore (around IDR 500K) is cheaper than Jakarta to Surabaya (around IDR 900K)...
@@AerisReyhaIt is hardly suspected that the flight operators work are ‘working-together’
Yh trains are really expensive in the UK. Tbh they could've took a coach as another option.
Coaches are well and good until your 2 hour trip turns in into a 6 hour one going through road works queues thanks to our so called 'Smart' motorways where revenue making Average Speed cameras are quick to be erected, but the road works never seem to end. 😅
That's what I do now. Coaches are so much more comfy than trains, have little curtains you can close if you want to snooze. I got one from Birmingham to Heathrow once for £6.50. Train was £85!
Welcome to the British public transport network 😂
What everyone seems to miss is that it takes just one person to go from Newcastle to Birmingham or the other way around, while it takes two people to fly to Málaga to actually meet up. So you'd have to double the cost of the flights. Same for the trip back!
It's not cheaper if you have a Railcard discount, which you can get if you're 16-25, 26-30, 60+, a family, disabled or a veteran. Train prices are also very confusing, and often if you buy multiple tickets for short journeys instead of one for the whole way you'll save money (although most booking websites do this automatically now). Last minute train prices in the UK can also be enormously more expensive than if you just book the night before. London to Manchester is usually around £30 for a single, but if you book an anytime return at the last minute you might have to pay £370. Long journeys also quite often have delays, and you can legally claim back 25-100% of your ticket price depending on how long the delay is.
The Railcard doesn't apply that far north. It only applies to the old Network Southeast region.
That's only the network railcard. The others can be used anywhere in Britain.
It's not uncommon to see prices around £100 for a 1.5h train from Cardiff to London, even when you book in advance. A train journey that short shouldn't be anywhere near that price.
@@xander1052
I regularly use my Railcard to travel between Edinburgh and the south of England. They work on the whole network.
Why should I have to purchase a railcard in order to pay a cheaper price. It should be cheaper in the first place 🤦♂️
Train tickets are a lottery in the UK. They’re insanely expensive but there’s also a 50/50 chance it’ll end up free because they refund you if the train is over two hours late
Not expensive at all, I paid £76 return to Tenerife from Birmingham with just a week to spare. £76 for 9 hours of flying. £38 return flight from Dublin. £48 to Edinburgh in advance. It's cheap. I flew New York to Los Angeles and that cost nearly $350 with American airlines. 2 weeks in advance.
Thats girl math fr fr😂😂😂😂
Oh the infamous £100 British train ticket that will get you a £14 refund if your train gets cancelled 😂
That's a facepalm and a half...
Train should be the most affordable of all transport systems
Not in the U.K. it’s outrageously expensive here and then the government is shocked that people don’t like using it
Why? What’s so special about trains?
@@YesHumphreyAppleby Less maintenance costs, less running costs, and less overheads compared to aircraft. Vehicles are cheaper, and they're (usually) travelling shorter distances, with less red-tape, and with employees that need much less training compared to their flying counterparts. Infrastructure at train stations is (obviously) minute compared to that of airports, so ticket prices shouldn't need to be offset to account for that (unlike landing fees in airports etc.)
@@YesHumphreyAppleby cleaner, much much much safer, faster if managed well, more relaxing...
That because the trains were privatised, but there's no competition as each region has only one main operator
Don't privatise your railing network, kids
Sweden:
Oops, too late
Privatize*
1. socialism is not the answer
2. ryanair or whatever budget airline they took is likely a private entity anyway
@@Garbeaux. privatize is American spelling, while privatise is British spelling
@@a.r.5604 but America is the correct way I’ve been told.
It's probably about the same time to get there too with train delays and cancellations taken into account. The trail network in the UK has had any and all investments stripped away four decades.
What surprises me is not how expensive train tickets are but how cheap flights are.
Not just in the UK, all over Europe this is reality and its nuts. Start taxing these airlines and kerosine already and invest in public transportation. We are destroying the planet and you are basically forcing people to do it with these prices.
It's not all over Europe. Trains in Italy are €9
Here in the UK train drivers are literally the highest paid in all of Europe. They make almost double the average salary.
@@marcus.H and you think that's the issue? The train drivers? 🙄
@@DaveWraptastic I have actually checked. For every £1 you pay in tickets, only 96.6% is given to staff, energy, maintenance and taxes. That means the greedy train corporations are keeping more than 3% of every ticket sale and all they have put in is a few billion quid and a bunch of management at the top. It's an outrage I tells ya
@@DaveWraptastic no. All the staffing costs are significantly higher. But I have a solution. I just refuse to give them anything. I'd rather take the bus and be slow
🌈Strikes🌈
Similar thing happend to me in my country. It was cheaper to get a 2.5 hour long uber trip than get a train ticket to that area
We have that issue in Canada too. It cost me $1200 for a round trip from Nova Scotia to Alberta or $1150 from nova scotia to Dominican Republic all inclusive 7days ! It's in sane
I wanted to go to a concert that wasn't touring in Scotland. Instead of getting an English date in London or Wolverhampton, I went to Madrid instead.
Another time, I wanted to meet up with a friend in Birmingham. A plane ticket, domestic, would've been £200. The train was the same. A plane that had a layover in Dublin? £60.
It's absolutely insane, especially given that I have a railcard AND I have to travel daily on the train to uni, and my family doesn't live near any airports (there aren't any in North Wales) so I HAVE to get the train.
Same in sweden, train prices are ridiculous
The reason it’s more expensive is labor. It takes more people more hours to man a train than it does a plane. In the US that labor is subsidized to keep prices artificially low to make transit more feasible for more people. Apparently it isn’t the same in the UK.
As a londoner who lived in Newcastle for uni... I can totally relate to this! I took the night bus instead of train
OK, but unleas they have return flight on the same day, they would also have to book a hotel room(s) there as well
at least they're getting a nice vacation out of it
Oh no. A fun cheap holiday
Yeah it's the same in Germany. It is atrocious but you can take a plane to Morocco for like 30€ and a train between two major cities within the county costs three times as much. Politicians should really put a tax on kerosene cause that's so bad for the planet.
that was tried before and it caused more Pollution
because planes simply fill ther tanks in a nation with no tax
Has no one ever heard of a split fare train ticket? You can get a long train journey for less than half the price. The only tricky bit, is that your journey has to stop at a specific station whether you get off/change there or not.
The word youre looking for is Privatisation.
Of course the real win of this story that two people got away from two terrible places, even if for a moment.
As someone that lived there for a year Newcastle is actually a great place. Friendliest people you'll ever meet, great public transport, great nightlife and activities, nice big parks and beaches, and Northumberland has loads of interesting places to visit like Lindisfarne, Alnwick and Berwick upon Tweed. I was once looking at the map at a metro station and a guy from across the other platform asked if I needed help lol.
Why not drive to see each other???
Not everybody owns a car ... I'll never own one. I can take care that I can get everywhere using public transport. I'm not going to help kill the planet while navigating streets that I have to share with people who feel like following traffic rules and safety precautions is an optional thing to do when ever you feel like it.
@@camelopardalis84because flying thousands of miles across the continent and back is less harmful to the environment than driving the 300 miles?
@@Blaidd7542 It's possible that neither of them has a driving licence. That was my main point. I just explained that my own reasons for not driving and never getting a driving licence have to do with the environment.
I see that my comment sounded illogical.
Guess the guy from Newcastle got a train to Birmingham to catch the plane
I used to do this to go to Denver, a direct flight was always twice as much then a flight to Vegas with a layover in Denver.
Late stage capitalism my friend. Privatization of essential services like transportation creates volatile and unstable markets.
But the airline is privatised and it was cheaper
Cars and Planes are also privatised, and generally work at a reasonable price. It's only trains and buses that truly don't work as private because of the necessary infrastructure and investment.
See how great the war versus climate change is going!!! Great job Al, Greta, and gang!!😂🤦
You know this is exactly the sort of problem they are trying to fix right? They want trains to be cheaper
them : let's make train cheap to stop air travels
you : ahah, conservatives destroys public transport thus that means trains bad
Getting mad at the people fighting it? Huh. Smells like a red fish to me...
@@ncpolley Did you translate that red fish thing from another language? If yes, which one? Or did you mean to write "dead fish"?
@@camelopardalis84 It’s a reference to a red herring, which is a term for a distraction.
The same thing in Indonesia. Domestic flight between cities in Indonesia especially cities in different island is more expensive than fly abroad. For example, ticket from Jakarta to Balikpapan (East Kalimantan) is more expensive than Jakarta to Singapore. ☹️
Beindorn and Ireland are super cheap from the UK too, you often get flights for less than £20 as a last minute thing
Have you seen train prices in Switzerland?
And they try to convince me to take a train instead of my car...
They could get travel cards which reduce the cost, or get the short stop tickets, station to station in short chunks
Don’t privatise your trains folks. - Love from the UK.
Same here in Indonesia. To have a flight to Sumatera from Jakarta, sometimes, it's cheaper to transit first to Singapore/KL before we have a direct flight. 😂😂😂
It’s cheaper to fly out of the country to meet than take a train in said country lol.
To a Texan, that's walking distance
Guy from Newcastle was doing that years ago, was in London for uni and he’d fly back and forth from home and uni with £30 flights stopping for lunch in Spain.
Remember seeing once that a flight from Manchester to Amsterdam then to London was cheaper than a train from Manchester to London.
UK train tickets prices are always like this, it's absolutely insane how expensive they are sometimes
The reasoning is likely because travel by train is starting to loose popularity, whereas flying is the new fad.
Fact of the matter is, people dont take the train like they used to.
Yea the metro systems exist, but they are remnants.
I feel this pain. I moved to the south and everytime I want to visit my family up north I'm met with a choice: a five hour train ride for over 100 quid or a five hour coach ride for 30... HS2 was a wasted opportunity
I researched this after seeing this. This article was released 7 years ago. Imagine how big the difference is now
For anyone outside of the UK, they run their train system the same at the US runs their healthcare system, with a mix of 'private' companies and public mandates and incentives that ends up being the worst of all worlds and options
This is common, people in the UK know how expensive the trains are. My friend and I have done this before and flew out to Dublin Ireland in the morning, met up then flew back to our respective homes in the evening... £87 vs £20 but this was 12 years ago.
Also, if you’re flying from london to budapest for example, take a look at connecting flights. It might be cheaper to get a flight from london to istanbul that just stops at budapest, and then just get off the plane.
Train tickets in Britain are insanley expensive, and the train service is awful, trains are constantly late or cancelled.
UK trains are ridiculously expensive. There was a news article a few years ago where a student living in Manchester wanted to come home for Christmas. I believe he lived somewhere in Essex.
Anyway, he flew from Manchester to Berlin, Berlin to Stansted. That cost him less than Manchester to his nearest train station. Absolutely stupid
Also, the train from Newcastle to Birmingham takes 2h30m-3h30 hours. The flight from Birmingham is 2h55m. The flight from Newcastle is 3h10m. Not only is it cheaper, it also takes equal and sometimes LESS time to get there.
Same for Australia. It's cheaper to go to Bali than to visit another state.
Unfortunately this is the cost of having a privatized rail network in the UK.
This is why I always laugh when people here advocate for rail travel like they have in Europe over cars. That drive would cost ~$30 in gas, I could stop whenever I want and wouldn’t need to be packed in with hundreds of other people FOR THEEE HOURS.
Except it would cost you $70 in gas, take you 4 and a half hours with an hour of that being spent packed in with other people bumper to number doing 0 MPH on the M6
This is the world that the “Car-Free” crowd wants
It seems like this is the case in most places. Its always cheaper to fly than take a train in Canada. It's also cheaper to go to another country, in most cases, than to go from a town to a random city (unless it's Vancouver or Toronto).
Some guy made a video that it was sometimes cheaper to buy a car, insure it, cover the petrol, than it was for a train ticket.
and that's what happens when you privatise the rail