What I do to gain Safety Rating on iRacing | Porsche Cup at Monza
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Hey Dave! I am Surrin. Thanks for the shoutout! Yea man, I screwed up on both races 😪. Apologies on crashing into you 😔. Always feel like crap being the person to cause it. See you on track again. 💪🏼👍🏼🏁
You're a gentleman. That's why it's all good. Don't change 😁
And some people claim the iRacing community is toxic! You two Gentleman illustrate that the exact opposite is true. 👍
@@davecamm Thanks buddy for such a humbling compliment. It truly takes one to know one 🙂
@@cmdreffietrinket 'Yea, im glad there are racers like Dave too that share the same principles in iRacing. Truly the kind of community we should be cultivating in iRacing'. Thanks man for the warm comment 😊
It’s hard, but the alternative is another driver ploughing you off every race, as though you were playing burnout.
You can gain a bit of laptime by shifting earlier in the 992. The ideal shiftpoint is around when the blue lights come up on the dash. The power curve drops off pretty steep towards the rev limiter.
I've learned so much from your videos Dave, but this one is solid gold. Your qualifying tips helped me get a high enough safety rating in D, that all I needed in C was 4 time trials for my MPR and I was a B. This is a must-watch for anyone looking to get away from the carnage in Rookies and D class. Thank you!
If you have the Nurburgring combined and a gt3 car, I highly recommend the class D endurance race, even with several bad crashes it’s like 3-4sr in 4 hours. Not 0.3, 3. Also really fantastic practice. Helped me get to A, I did that race and the class B time trials.
@@mj6463 What series is this, Fanatex Gobal Challenge?
"When my safety rating plummets, I get in the cup car." - DaveCam.
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It's a pussycat 😁
haha yeah right. said no one ever :)
At Monza
@@pnewhook absolute chad
I love iRacing, but the safety rating is so broken imo. For small contacts (just like irl racing) you get punished way too much, x4 should count only if one of the two spins or go off track, small taps shouldn't count, or at least 1x. Sometimes you get 4x because of netcode or not existing contacts. I hope in the future they'll re-adjust the sistem.
I respectfully disagree. If you think of safety rating as how much money you have irl and each contact is going to cost you whether you were at fault or not, it makes you (or some) race accordingly amd make decisions like irl. I do on the other hand think collisions should be toned down just a touch. Not grand turismo just a couple of percent or so. Maybe up the threshold for when a 0x contact turns to a 4x contact.
I disagree too. There would be no reasonable way to steward these incidents otherwise without everyone being butt hurt or using exploits. Small contacts are now very often ruled as 0x which improved the situation a lot too
I completely agree! If you see for example, stock cars on ovals... Little bumps are normal in that kind of racing and sometimes you get penalties for that. it's broken
So my opinion is to keep everything as is MINUS if someone one is hitting you in the rear. That is the only thing I can see that you are completely not in control of. Everything else is the driver. Off track, spins, side swipes etc. because at that point you as the driver are making the choice to move or push in such manner.
My issue is the iRating. If i get in someone's mess and keeps me in the back the iRating takes the biggest hit
Never thought I'd watch someone go three wide in a "What I do to gain Safety Rating" video :/ One of your best Dave!
Personally I'm extremely familiar with the Nordschleife, so I keep racing on it, and as most of the time people make mistakes, it's rather easy to gain iRating at the same time.
Agreed. This my go to of bumping mine up. Do an endurance run and you get a nice boost
Its actually pretty crazy... been struggling alle the time with SR and now on the Nordschleife I went from Class D to B easily and with fun.... even won the GT4 Series... Nordschleife is simply the best 🙌🏼
Agreed, that class D endurance race is the best thing for ratings!
Pretty crazy how you upload the exact video I need today.
I've lost so much safety rating in the Porsche Cup this week and last and am .07 away from losing my C license, so this video is perfect! Thanks as always!
If you are fine with hotlapping for a while, and are really desperate to save your SR. You can also do time trial runs (not to be confused with time attack challenges), there you also gain SR, although quite a bit slower. But you are on your own so it is saver
Morning dave. Was just about to say to get safety rating back we need to get our mind back into how we moved out of rookie licence and you said it for me 😁
Hey Dave. Thanks for the tips. I prize my safe driving and SR over all else in online racing.. Using similar, but less refined techniques I went from brand new rookie to my A licence in iRacing dirt roads over the last couple of days. I'm sure with your tips I'll be A4.99 in all categories before long.
Gday Dave. Darron from down under. Have been playing iracing but as stated in your video my SR plummetted to point that I suspended my account (for a few days) in frustration. I watched your video and took it into account and did as much practise and as much qualifying as I could but started at back (slow qual laps). I then tried best to avoid anyone looking to take me out and let others fly off etc especially on first lap. In 4 races in the GT4 at sandown (my fav track by the way 15 mins from my home) I have gone from 1.2 SR to 3.5 and also got my IR above 1000 again. Gonna keep doing this for a while as working great for me so thanks for doing the video and giving me the inspiration to hopefully start enjoying iracing again. Cheers mate. Stay safe.
That's great mate. It's tough and sometimes you just need a few days to reset 👍
Awesome awesome tip dave thank you soo much .. keep up the great work mate
Dave love your content, striving to be as good as you one day
The trick is not to get scrappy followed a few minutes later by Dave getting scrappy. 😂
You just can't help yourself can you?
Some good tips there that I'm sure folk will find useful.
Keep the videos coming. 👍
Thanks Dave for all the good advice, but that said I learned a valuable as a relative rookie now Iracing for about 4 weeks. I raced at Laguna Seca last week and wasn't doing stupid things thinking about my SR, while I was in p2 I was hunted down by a guy. he was really putting the heat on. I ran wide at T10 and managed to get on track, but he had more top speed and tabbed me wide in T11. I nearly went off, and he passed me. I said "Thanks"". Next lap I saw he was Fast here but slow there, he was clearly "overdriving" and he was unpredictable, he for some reason was early braking for T11. I was too late and did not anticipate his braking. I pushed him, and he almost spun. I was in p2 again., he fell back to p5, and the next laps p3 and 4, gained on me. Last lap at T7 under the uphill to Crockscrew, I zigged where I should have sagged. I turned in on P3 and spun, him p3, p4, and myself. P5 (who I pushed earlier at T11)got around clean and became P2. The 2 guys who'm I spun ended at P 3 and 4 me at p5. Then p2 finisher had a hizzy fit towards me. I watched the replay for my POV but checked Mister Hizzy fit''s race POV too. He was erratic understeer oversteer, not consistent, not predictable, and left others no space on corner exits forcing them off the track. I looked at it from all sides, all angles, and yes he had a moment under braking that ended him a slow entry in T11 just before I hit him. I was gutted that I did not play it saver, and yeah felt/still feel terrible for those 2 other guys. But I went to take a look-see at his profile afterward too and his SR and IR were almost on par with me, but I'm only 4 weeks in Iracing it. He has multiple years in Iracing, I should have listened to your advice better Dave, some will never learn and keep low SR and IR be careful, in control, predictable, drive conservative, and fair. I learned it the hard way, I know ""You told me so ;)"" Anywho I'm grateful for the lesson. And oh boy did this change my approach to race in Iracing, thanks Dave :)
I just cancelled my iracing subscription and play AMS2. That's what I did to never lose my safety rating ever again ;)
This is my favourite sort of videos you post using Mac Evad 👍
Number 9 for driver of the week for his reversing!
Thanks for the video Dave. My technique is a wee bit different than yours. I simply enter really long races, start from pit lane and run a clean race. In most cases, I can maximize my SR gain while minimizing the hit to IR because so many other drivers will crash out.
Another top drawer video Dave, and I was in this race! Was a lot of fun and shout to Tiziano, proper racer and gentleman. Mac from the Pits to 6th! Calm and measured driving as always, Dave. Pleasure to watch
I lost a whole point of SR at Monza in 2 races just from slightly tapping cars while going off track to avoid wrecks.
Hey, Dave! Great video for someone like myself looking to upgrade to a higher license. Quick semi-unrelated question tho… are you running a separate program for you spotter, like Crew Chief?
Keep up the great work!
Yes I use crew chief 👍
I lost 2 SR last week driving the porc. I thought: "I will make up for it next week". Then i saw that it was monza and laughed.
A good video on sr and something that I follow. The only issue i have with others not qualifying and starting from the back is that alot of people are impatient and run over slower drivers like myself. I have lost count of the number of people who have hit me from behind and gave the excuse that I was too slow.
I know the feeling. I never qualify as I am often one of the highest numbered cars. I use Time Trials on each track each week to do laps and get used to how the car drives on the track as each car handles each track differently. Sure the SR gain is not as much as racing but you don't have to worry about other cars and can just run your laps. Then drive to drive as safe as possible in the race to help boost it.
I agree. Tbh I am sick of those ‘fast’ cars skipping quali to do the whole back to the front of the pack thing. Every overtake increases the risk of wrecking and many of them get impatient with slower people In front and go in aggressive, and the less skilled person can’t handle it as well as them and bin it. That’s the whole point of quali. You start where you should. Starting from the back of the pits for SR isn’t too bad if you are just racing clean and not going in hard.
Do you know how to do this in raceroom? Do it lol!! Not seen you over there in a while. Best races with 90 + safety. Nice and safe. Good one Dave, ta.
awesome vid, new to iracing here so nice to see some tips, but im curious how you get this nice UI instead of default Iracing UI?
I believe he is using Racelab.
@Dave Cam , if you need SR , go to indy Car (Road) you will get 2.0 if you drive safe
Oh my gosh! I didn't realize that 0x invalidated your qualifying lap! That's how I've lost so many poles at oran park just to start at the back of the grid... That's not what I came here to learn but it certainly helps 😝I am stupid
Thanks Dave, good info. If I could change my name to 'Innocent Bystander' on iRacing I would.
Great vid! What are the dashboards you're using? The top left for example
It's the Racelabs overlay 👍
Hey Dave! Great Video, thanks for that!
One question: How dit you get "your" steering wheel in the telemetry overlay?
Thank you and greetings from germany!
Stefan
You can upload a custom one in Racelabs but the one here is just one of the ones included. If you could take a picture of your wheel and cut it out you could use whatever you wanted to 😁
Jeez, Dave hates iRacing so much he keeps doing videos about it! 😄 I kid. I'm here from the iRacing forum. Cheers, Dave! Have a great day!
Haha, I know right! 😂😂
European sprint series at road America this week is an easy SR bump
Time Trials have helped me out in C class after losing some SR. 20 clean laps usually gets a decent gain plus some practice at the same time. Any disadvantage to that?
This seems to be a solution to a problem that shouldn't exist.
This is where having a low irating is helpful, if I just don't qualify I am always at the back
I've just tried to do this, and it was succesfull. I keep noticing that my best races seem to be the ones starting from the back of the pack. You seem to have an easier buildup of the race, and it seems more relaxing that way. Always enjoying your vids 👍.
would be interesting to know what SR would have been without those 2x
you make it look easy
Please make a video on how to set alien qualifying lap times
Porsche Cup. At Monza. The worst combo to gain SR.
Not just because of incidents. But because Monza is a long track with very few corners so you don't get a great SR boost.
Dave do you know how to save different FOV's for different cars, if so please make a video on how to do it, It's driving me crazy having to adjust every car every time I go to drive it 🤦♂
Select "Custom Adjustment for this car" and then adjust whatever you want. You`ll have to do it in every car.
Now i understand that many unsafe and fast drivers, they just give all ignoring everyone until their safety rating is at risk and than they farm it for a couple of races. Making the system completly obsolete....
Hey Dave. ACC measures 'safety' completely differently to iRacing, and I am finding it hard to improve my SA rating without impacting CC and CN too much. Can you do a video on how you do that?
CC and CN can easily be improved in private practice sessions since they’re car control and consistency. you can improve SA a lot by doing a race with others, preferably online. Just finish the race without crashing into people and your SA will improve.
Just started with racing after struggling to get consistent with ACC. Been watching your guides with great interest and completed my first race but was too careful. Got a .17 increase in my SR and managed to get the 2nd fastest lap on my last lap. Thanks for your guides as wouldn’t have done this without your channel. Running a Thrustmaster TS-XW but just had a Logitech G Pro DD and pedal set delivered (can’t use till Xmas thou as it’s a pressie 😢). Also just ordered an MSI Artemis 34 ultra wide so hopping these will increase my consistency.
i wonder how many drivers will actually behave themselves a bit more than normal when they see its DaveCam compared to a random racer?:D
I wish I had such influence 😂
Is it just me or does the Xs seem to be given out much more liberally now, I mean the slightest contact results in 4 or 5x and I have also noticed irating increases much slower now after a decent finish. Could that be a result of that I was A class and demoted to B? iRacing is not equitable as to how it deducts and adds irating points. They lean far too heavy on deducting points vs adding which seems extremely unfair and makes blending a solid SR and iRating nearly impossible
SR ratings on short track ovals are the worst. After watching your channel I had my account deactivated. Now I race Heat 5 for ovals and rfactor2 for road courses.
In 2 days, I merged the entire rating on this track in 3 split.
I found quilfying upfront but not fighting is better?
Hey Dave! What’s the difference between speeding in pit lane/intentionally getting 0x during Qualy vs just not Qualy at all? Thanks
Nothing at all. Same result. Although by not driving around the track you won't gain SR 👍
@@davecamm Ah, I see. I enjoy your content! I really enjoy watching Mrs Dave Cam content also. Keep up the awesome work. And thanks for the reply.
WOW! did not realize that practice and qualifying counted towards SR! Will stop sending it after last quali lap 🤣
As far as I know, practice doesn't.
The 3 mins before qualifying counts 👍
Do an endurance race. Perfect cause you can’t lose too much iRating even if you finish last cause a lot of people crash. And also when doing for example the nordschleife 4h i went from 2.43 to 4.99 and i had like 11x so
nordschleife itself is the best for grinding SR. lots of corners per lap so huge SR gain, plus its easy to become isolated from everyone else and just have a casual sunday drive. It was on the production car challenge a few weeks ago and i was getting 0.5-1.5 gain each race even with inc points.
@@luxie8097 yea exactly
Does the x'es you get in practice and qualify affect how much safety rating you get after the race? I mean, do you get less if you get 2x in practice and 2x in qualify and 0x in race than 0x in practice, 0x in qualify and 0x in the race?
Yes they all count
I believe they only carry a 50% weighting though
Some of my cleanest races have been in the Porsche Cup this season. That either means I have been lucky or I'm not driving fast enough.
Have to ask are you using auto blip on the down shifts or doing it yourself ?
Interesting video, but the feeling is a bit weird to me. Something seems wrong when you need to do races like this to get further in a sim.
can i use trial race as practice session ?
Oh fuck, i did not know that practice and quali effected safety rating...
my way for SR MX5 3h on Nords easy 4.99 and a bit iRating :P
It didn't work for me Dave, maybe I missed something? I tried this in the same series / track this week. I don't have a very high irating, but a very good SR, but I always want it to be better. I wanted seat time in the Porsche 992, so I joined a race in which I ended up in the bottom split which was lower than my rating.
I was nervous and decided to skip qualifying. It put me mid pack on the grid, so I decided to try starting from the pits as you suggested. The field was so bad I came out of the pits and was caught up to the back of the field by turn 1! I navigated around some carnage a few times and ended up with only 3x off track by the end of the race which I thought wasn't bad considering. In the end I finished 6th out of 20 cars, but lost SR which surprised me and gained a little irating which was opposite than I expected. lol
The more SR you have, the less you gain, but the more you lose if it goes wrong 👍
@@davecamm Makes sense now, my SR was Class A - 4.48, so I lost 0.07, not horrible at least. Thanks Dave!
@@frankpiccolo7756 just focus on racing. SR will be fine if you learn how do drive and make decisions. Low B is the lowest SR you can fall if you just keep your head cool, which is enough. Another thing is that lot's of people love to attack A4,99 guys coz they are not afraid to be sent the wall. However they'll think twice before testing a normal b2.0 guy.
@@ross1680 Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the input, but it's not that I am having issues with SR. I did this as a test for fun to try and understand the system better. Although I don't have a high iRating because I never did many races in the past, but started doing more these days. Just an FYI, I do have my A license and my current SR is 4.52 because I race clean as possible and do my best to avoid trouble, but I always want more. lol 😊
I just got my D license can I run in this cup? If so what car is this! I know it’s a Porsche lol
I guess I missed how you forced the start from the pits. ?
You just sit there without clicking on grid. Then it will change to 'missed start'. You then click it and you're in the pits 👍
So I do this in every single race. Except I actually try to qualify, then treat the rest of the 8 minutes like an extended practice session and keep turning laps. If I want to avoid carnage, I start from the pits. But I never ever skip qualifying. Though I sometimes do get an off track in both my qualy laps so I start as if I didn't qualify. "|
This video gives really shitty advice. The best way to avoid lap 1 incidents (and consequently gain SR) is qualify in the top 5 and generally race in higher splits. In other words, don’t suck. If you’re trying to grind SR like in this vid, you probably deserve the SR you have.
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FYI your clutch isn't going to 0%. I had to re-calibrate my Fanatec pedals since the latest iRacing update for the same issue
It's my dual clutch on my wheel. I keep forgetting to calibrate it 😂
Sorry Dave haha I thought I signed up for a race 😉
I did apologies for the 4x when I got loose.
It's all good 😁
That video was a roast haha
@@damien4167 I just said you were scrappy. It's a compliment 😁
Better than starting at the back of the grid is to leave the session and rejoin once the start timer has finished. You’ll see the countdown in the green join button. This will start you in the PIT so you can avoid attempting to start at the back of the grid but dealing with everyone else who ends up behind you anyway from not doing qualifying etc
Hmm.. Does incidents in qualify affect safety rating? I would have thought not. Only race counts because in there is no max count. So you might as well take offtrack and 1x and would not be any different.
Yes incidents count in the 3 min practice and qual before the race 👍
@@davecamm Yes it seems they do but not as badly as in race. They have 35% effect so you need to get almost 3 incident points in practice/qually to that count as 'full' incident point.
@@mcmaddie 25% for practice and 50% for qual
@@ross1680 Close. it's 35% for practice and 50% for qualify. Time trials also have 35% and that I earlier misread that it was for both practice and qualify.
Genuine question, i didnt think SR counted at all in practice and quali?
Yes it does as soon as you enter the race session 👍
Good to know that, I’ve been missing practice, and not doing quail. Nice one 👍
Bumping’s racing end of story. Stay in the back of the pack if you want your safe space
why dont you just skip qual and just ready to race?
how you move to another incident in replayes?
By default it's ctrl numpad 1 and 3 to cycle through 👍
Wait, the off-tracks contribute even in practice?
In the short practice before qual yes 👍
@@davecamm ohhhh ok, that makes more sense. Thank you!
If THAT race only got you .17 SR, how bloody long does it take to get 3k??? It would appear that you'd have to race 15,000 plus races to get 3k!! I'm gobsmacked right now.
+1
I went from A driver 4.44 safety rating to 1.69 in just a month. Now I'm B driver.
The safety rating is a joke in IRacing.
Who is that engineer?
lets race some
Did u say practice counts twords safety rating?
Yes in the short practice session before qual in the race server 👍
I get that this is a way to gain safety rating and clearly Dave you can drive and compete, but this is one of the fundamental issues with the safety rating system on iracing - doing this doesn't teach you to race, it teaches you to circulate. When you get into racing you then potentially lack the judgement and racecraft to actually race. Not being critical of the video Dave - that's the system, but it really needs to change.
I agree, but I think it's as good as it's going to get. This is an 'emergency get the safety rating back up' type video. For those that race but have been unlucky 👍
why not just sit out qualifying? Wont you be placed at the back as well?
Yes, but you won't gain sr if you don't go out on track in practice/qual
@@davecamm Thanks I didnt know that. Trying to get to B license but keep losing ground when others run into me
The 3 min practice all counts towards sr. So, don't get any off tracks 😁
Doing it my way means you get to use all the time but don't actually register a qualifying time 👍
@@davecamm Thanks so much, by the way love your channel. A perfect combination of skill, personality, and charm.
The problem are other drivers, like 90% of times........ which is sad.
I gain Sr race in ess
I didn’t think practise counted towards the SR
Me neither, I still don't get why you would go out then in the first place. Isn't it just a risk of getting an off track?
@@TheGeldman99 I think the more laps you do the better
No I don't think it does. And qually counts for 0.5 corner per corner.
Yes it does 👍
It’s the practice only before the race yeah? Like a normal practice doesn’t count?
Why are you giving a 0x and not just going off track? Do safety ratings get affected in qualifying?
Yes they do 👍
@@davecamm good to know! Didn’t know that hahaha ooops
Another thing to mention is that if you run a test drive session before your race, you receive a boost of safety rating
No you don’t.
@@quinncide You literally do. I’ve gotten .6 safety rating driving clean and then the next race I get .2 for no incidents. The only difference is running a test drive beforehand. Look it up
Best way to avoid SR loss: Don't join any race at Monza...
i always beat dave at monza!
Ha, in your dreams Jimmy lad 😁
@@davecamm 😂
Why bother with the 0x hits in qually? Why not just start from the pits every time?
So I can use the track time to increase my safety rating and not actually set a time 👍
Dave when your judging people off their safety rating do you ever think what someone is thinking looking at yours haha
Absolutely! If that makes them give me a wide berth I'm happy 😁
dave working on keeping A and never does A series
Wait, safety rating also counts in quali?
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Yes, and the short practice beforehand too 👍
I was going to say… is this a joke? How to gain SR in the Porsche Cup + Monza?!?
Drive a couple of races on the Nordenshafflebanger without racing hard and your SR will skyrocket super fast. I have only lost the A once in 12 years on the service. It was no biggie and I regained it so quickly it was stupid. Licenses should be much easier to lose and much harder to gain in my opinion.
For some reason I absolutely hate the starting from the Pits method. It just grates on me for some reason. But hey, each t9 their own 👍
"Marks safety rating isn't very good, we have to be careful around mark" Well your safety rating isn't very good either...
may as well just TT... do laps the entire available time and better sr than this... no risk to ir at all...
A little too boring for me though 😁
I'm gonna say, I would recommend against this if possible. I just think it's not gonna help long term from experience and dies down excitement of racing.
Kept my A by just racing and forgetting about it, seems like the better way to gain.
Also, if you want to help your SR, race Open series, you gain almost x2 more SR than usual
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The fact that you sometimes HAVE TO lose iRating just to even stay in your license class is beyond me... it's way too strict in A-class.
So this is where it's starting to get wierd. Is it a sim or a game.... Anytime I just say why penalize someone for a nudge, or why dock someone that was taken out... People scream it's a SIM...
Yea real life I don't have a safety rating and have to race from pits to do all this random junk, people make mistakes and it doesn't effect the fact you can go on the track, So is it a sim or a game... Starting to sound like a game that I'm completely focused on some rating and not driving, if I'm duffing qualifying and starting from the pits and just all around not racing like reality, because in reality cars touch.
Red bull liveries on iracing are like rats you’re always 5m away from one. 🤣