@@weekendgearguide most excellent! Subscribed already. By the way, the Arc'teryx LEAF line is super interesting also - although maybe a little esoteric for most people.
Thanks for the video. I was trying to figure out if I should size up on the hardshell layer for wearing a puffy (nano/micro) jacket underneath. You pretty much cleared my mind. I'm ordering all Patagonia layers in the same size as they appear to already account for layering.
The Alpha Comp's fatal flaw: No hand pockets. As a pant designed for ice/alpine climbing, the ability to stuff your freezing cold fingers into warm hand pockets is priceless. I find it obscured Arc failed to provide hand pockets, which have helped me multiple times ward-off barfies in the past. Great job on the review, as per usual. I enjoyed actually seeing real color / video of the Nuclei SV. The Alpine Start did a great job of reviewing the Nuclei, and it appears it will beat out the Dually in terms of warmth and fit. For belays I choose down, but the Nuclei SV appears to be the jacket to have if synthetic is a must.
Thank you for watching and insightful feedback! While I agree that hand pockets do help for situations you mentioned, to be fair, it's not just thee Alpha Comp Pant, but all Alpha series pants from Arc'teryx to my knowledge do not have hand pockets. Even Patagonia's new Dual Aspect climbing pant and previous Galvanized pant do not have hand pockets. Rab on the other hand do integrate hand pockets in their climbing pants, one of which I've been using for several months now called the Rab Kinetic Alpine 2.0 which I may do a review on in the future. I personally use my insulated mid layer or belay parka hand pockets if the need arises, since the hem is covering the area where hand pockets in the pants would be, and maybe that's what Arc'teryx and Patagonia designers are thinking as well. Thank you for the heads up on the Alpine Start review. Just had a chance to read it, and I agree 99% with what he said, except is gripe on the main zipper pull. It looks like to me the plastic zipper toggle that attaches to the small metal zipper has somehow fallen off, since mine does have the plastic zipper toggle attached. If there were any gripes, I think the chance of the plastic zipper toggle falling off would be it! I will keep an eye out for this potential issue as I get more use in the next few weeks. And yes, for a synthetic belay jacket, so far the Nuclei SV seems to be the best, especially the hood design, fit, cut and weight, but will know more after at least a season of use specifically for durability.
@@weekendgearguide Arc'teryx's hoods, especially their StormHood designs, IMHO, are the best constructed hoods in the business. When you purchase an Arc'teryx hooded jacket, you're getting the best hoods currently made, hands-down. I agree with all your comments on the DAS Light Hoody; I purchased one at the beginning of last winter and have used it almost everyday in cold weather. I'm a huge fan of the fit/cut and the PlumFill is very warm for 65 g/m2 of synthetic insulation. I just purchased the Arc'teryx Alpha SL Anorak recently for backcountry ice missions, and though I've yet to tie in with it yet, I'm very impressed with the color (Dynasty) fit and weight. I never thought in a million years I'd be interested in an anorak, but, typical Arc, I'm very impressed. The amazing StormHood swallows up a Mammut WallRider climbing helmet and Smith Vantage ski helmet with ease. It's cut with more room for layering and a longer front hem (thank God) than the discontinued Alpha FL. If you can get past the anorak portion, it appears to be a great WP/B option for ice climbing and backcountry skiing.
Thank you again for watching! An Arc'teryx Layering Guide may not be the next episode, but will try and aim for end of December during the holidays. But for sure will have something with an Arc'teryx piece in the next episode. Please stay tuned!
I really wish that the “Patagonia” Layering System included recommended Patagonia shell layer bottoms (pants/bibs), that would have likely made this video significantly more helpful (I’m in the market for some 3 layer bibs or pants with full side zips/drop seat).
Thanks for watching and the comment on the pants. As mentioned in the video, although the Patagonia Dual Aspect Bibs were just released, the Arc'teryx Alpha Comp Pant were recommended instead due to the recent 34% off sale bringing the price down to $229. However, I did try to purchase the Dual Aspect Bibs, which does seem to meet most of what you want except the full zip, but unfortunately my size was sold out at the time. But I just checked and it looks to be restocked, so I may check them out and do a review on them for ice climbing. As to a 3 layer bibs or pants with full side zips/drop seat, the only pant I know of that has full zips / drop seat was the Arc'teryx Alpha AR pant, but it looks like it's either sold out for the season or discontinued, but you may be able to find them in your local Arc'teryx Outlet. If you can live without a full zip, then maybe wait for the Patagonia Dual Aspect Pant in it's current color to go on past season sale in a few months from now. Cheers!
@@weekendgearguide it seems like its really tough to find hardshell pants or bibs with full length side zips these days. They are incredible for adding/removing while back country skiing and offer a wide range of venting options. Also wanted to mention that I thought the video was great. Very comprehensive with great insight regarding the recommended products. I can't think of any others ive seen that were so detailed and informative, you went way beyond the usual surface level generic descriptions and info. That is why I was so interested in what your recommendation for Patagonia shell bottoms would be. Reading my old comment it sounded like a complaint, while in reality the question was inspired by how excellent the video was.
@@brianrodman1033 Thanks again and glad you liked the content. I wish I could do more in depth reviews and comparisons, but don't seem to have too much time these days and it's summer. However, I am planning on putting more time this coming winter on The North Face Summit FutureLight Bib for Ski Touring and Ice Climbing, which has full length side zip and seems to be more breathable and comfortable than the Patagonia Dual Aspect Pant which I had a chance to try on but did not find too comfortable (maybe I needed to size up). Will have to wait till winter but till then, I have some summer gear reviews coming so stay tuned!
How does the DAS light hoody compare to the following 3 midlayers mentioned in the 20 to -10F section: R2 TechFace Hoody, Nano Air Hoody and Micro Puff Hoody? Based on the guide it would seem the DAS Light Hoody is less warm the other 3? I'm looking for midlayer for 20 to -10F. I'm leaning towards the R2, Nano Air or Micro Puff because based on the guide the DAS Light doesn't seem as warm. Thanks!
Hi and thanks for watching. The DAS Light Hoody would definitely be warmer than those 3 midlayers, but unlike those 3 midlayers which is meant to be used at a MET level of 5 - 8 at 20F to -10F (like fast walking, hiking, snowshoeing or jogging), the DAS Light is just meant to be worn as an outer belay layer meant to go overtop of your base + midlayer during rest to low activity levels. What MET Level (or type of activity) will you be doing between 20F to -10F, with either of these 3 midlayers? Cheers!
Hello and thanks for watching! Patagonia have a few colors and sizes of the Galvanized Jacket on their wornwear site, in excellent condition. wornwear.patagonia.com/p/patagonia-ms-galvanized-jacket-mens/83147 wornwear.patagonia.com/p/patagonia-ms-galvanized-jacket-mens/83145 wornwear.patagonia.com/p/patagonia-ms-galvanized-jacket-mens/83146 Alternatively, the Patagonia Stormstride Jacket is equally stretchable and waterproof.
Hey! I’ve been looking for a 1-2 jackets us for anything from light rain/wind to 32° below I’m looking at Patagonias 3-1 downdrift jacket but can’t find any reviews on it. Do you think this would make a good cover all mid-out later layer? Nothing extreme just outside a lot in heavy wind, rain and cold weather
Thanks for watching. Regarding the Downdrift 3-in-1 Jacket, while it looks nice and stylish, the open front neck/collar looks very exposed to heavy wind, rain and cold weather. I think a jacket like the DAS Light Hoody would be good for light rain/wind to 32° below. As long as it's not heavy rain, the DWR treated nylon outer face fabric should be fine for light rain/wind, as long as your not spending hours it. If you are, then you should invest in a rain shell than can layer over the DAS Light Hoody. You'll need to experiment but I suggest starting with a Storm10 and size up accordingly if need be. For 32° below where rain is no longer an issue, but rather snow, wind and cold temps, then just add a warm fleece under the jacket like an R2 Techface, Better Sweater or Synchilla, etc.
@@weekendgearguide totally agree with the Das! Bought it a month ago as it started snowing heavily and I got it for under 200$(a no-brainer almost). I layer it with older mammut fleece or mammut down jacket and a (very) thin ski underwear and have no problem walking my dog at - 5c (about 25f). although I didn't experience heavy rain yet, snow is no problem. Very happy
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Wow, lots to digest. Great place to start.
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Good presentation, thanks. I have some of the items listed here and this gave good pointers that I haven’t thought before.
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That was super informative. Thank you.
Thanks for watching. Glad you found this winter layering guide informative. Cheers!
Thank you so much for this very informative video!!!
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Holy crap. So much informaiton.. This is awesome!
Thanks for watching and glad you liked it! Stay tuned for upcoming 2023 layering guide in the next few weeks! Cheers!
@@weekendgearguide most excellent! Subscribed already. By the way, the Arc'teryx LEAF line is super interesting also - although maybe a little esoteric for most people.
oops.. edit... there is already a fantastic video on the LEAF system :)
Thanks for the video.
I was trying to figure out if I should size up on the hardshell layer for wearing a puffy (nano/micro) jacket underneath. You pretty much cleared my mind. I'm ordering all Patagonia layers in the same size as they appear to already account for layering.
Awesome review!!! Thank you
thank you, very helpful(
The Alpha Comp's fatal flaw: No hand pockets. As a pant designed for ice/alpine climbing, the ability to stuff your freezing cold fingers into warm hand pockets is priceless. I find it obscured Arc failed to provide hand pockets, which have helped me multiple times ward-off barfies in the past.
Great job on the review, as per usual. I enjoyed actually seeing real color / video of the Nuclei SV. The Alpine Start did a great job of reviewing the Nuclei, and it appears it will beat out the Dually in terms of warmth and fit. For belays I choose down, but the Nuclei SV appears to be the jacket to have if synthetic is a must.
Thank you for watching and insightful feedback! While I agree that hand pockets do help for situations you mentioned, to be fair, it's not just thee Alpha Comp Pant, but all Alpha series pants from Arc'teryx to my knowledge do not have hand pockets. Even Patagonia's new Dual Aspect climbing pant and previous Galvanized pant do not have hand pockets.
Rab on the other hand do integrate hand pockets in their climbing pants, one of which I've been using for several months now called the Rab Kinetic Alpine 2.0 which I may do a review on in the future.
I personally use my insulated mid layer or belay parka hand pockets if the need arises, since the hem is covering the area where hand pockets in the pants would be, and maybe that's what Arc'teryx and Patagonia designers are thinking as well.
Thank you for the heads up on the Alpine Start review. Just had a chance to read it, and I agree 99% with what he said, except is gripe on the main zipper pull. It looks like to me the plastic zipper toggle that attaches to the small metal zipper has somehow fallen off, since mine does have the plastic zipper toggle attached. If there were any gripes, I think the chance of the plastic zipper toggle falling off would be it! I will keep an eye out for this potential issue as I get more use in the next few weeks.
And yes, for a synthetic belay jacket, so far the Nuclei SV seems to be the best, especially the hood design, fit, cut and weight, but will know more after at least a season of use specifically for durability.
@@weekendgearguide Arc'teryx's hoods, especially their StormHood designs, IMHO, are the best constructed hoods in the business. When you purchase an Arc'teryx hooded jacket, you're getting the best hoods currently made, hands-down.
I agree with all your comments on the DAS Light Hoody; I purchased one at the beginning of last winter and have used it almost everyday in cold weather. I'm a huge fan of the fit/cut and the PlumFill is very warm for 65 g/m2 of synthetic insulation.
I just purchased the Arc'teryx Alpha SL Anorak recently for backcountry ice missions, and though I've yet to tie in with it yet, I'm very impressed with the color (Dynasty) fit and weight. I never thought in a million years I'd be interested in an anorak, but, typical Arc, I'm very impressed. The amazing StormHood swallows up a Mammut WallRider climbing helmet and Smith Vantage ski helmet with ease.
It's cut with more room for layering and a longer front hem (thank God) than the discontinued Alpha FL. If you can get past the anorak portion, it appears to be a great WP/B option for ice climbing and backcountry skiing.
Excellent video.Thanks
Glad you liked it and thanks for watching!
Appreciate the video!
Thanks for watching and glad you liked the video! Stay tuned for more comparison videos coming this fall and winter!
Awesome guide!!! Thank you
You're welcome and thanks for watching!
As always a detailed and thorough guide! Will the next episode be the same run down for layering with Arc'teryx products?
Thank you again for watching! An Arc'teryx Layering Guide may not be the next episode, but will try and aim for end of December during the holidays. But for sure will have something with an Arc'teryx piece in the next episode. Please stay tuned!
Great video
Awesome video! 👏
I really wish that the “Patagonia” Layering System included recommended Patagonia shell layer bottoms (pants/bibs), that would have likely made this video significantly more helpful (I’m in the market for some 3 layer bibs or pants with full side zips/drop seat).
Thanks for watching and the comment on the pants.
As mentioned in the video, although the Patagonia Dual Aspect Bibs were just released, the Arc'teryx Alpha Comp Pant were recommended instead due to the recent 34% off sale bringing the price down to $229. However, I did try to purchase the Dual Aspect Bibs, which does seem to meet most of what you want except the full zip, but unfortunately my size was sold out at the time. But I just checked and it looks to be restocked, so I may check them out and do a review on them for ice climbing.
As to a 3 layer bibs or pants with full side zips/drop seat, the only pant I know of that has full zips / drop seat was the Arc'teryx Alpha AR pant, but it looks like it's either sold out for the season or discontinued, but you may be able to find them in your local Arc'teryx Outlet.
If you can live without a full zip, then maybe wait for the Patagonia Dual Aspect Pant in it's current color to go on past season sale in a few months from now.
Cheers!
@@weekendgearguide really appreciate the thoughtful detailed response and recommendations , thank you.
@@weekendgearguide it seems like its really tough to find hardshell pants or bibs with full length side zips these days. They are incredible for adding/removing while back country skiing and offer a wide range of venting options.
Also wanted to mention that I thought the video was great. Very comprehensive with great insight regarding the recommended products. I can't think of any others ive seen that were so detailed and informative, you went way beyond the usual surface level generic descriptions and info. That is why I was so interested in what your recommendation for Patagonia shell bottoms would be. Reading my old comment it sounded like a complaint, while in reality the question was inspired by how excellent the video was.
@@brianrodman1033 Thanks again and glad you liked the content. I wish I could do more in depth reviews and comparisons, but don't seem to have too much time these days and it's summer. However, I am planning on putting more time this coming winter on The North Face Summit FutureLight Bib for Ski Touring and Ice Climbing, which has full length side zip and seems to be more breathable and comfortable than the Patagonia Dual Aspect Pant which I had a chance to try on but did not find too comfortable (maybe I needed to size up). Will have to wait till winter but till then, I have some summer gear reviews coming so stay tuned!
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How does the DAS light hoody compare to the following 3 midlayers mentioned in the 20 to -10F section: R2 TechFace Hoody, Nano Air Hoody and Micro Puff Hoody? Based on the guide it would seem the DAS Light Hoody is less warm the other 3? I'm looking for midlayer for 20 to -10F. I'm leaning towards the R2, Nano Air or Micro Puff because based on the guide the DAS Light doesn't seem as warm. Thanks!
Hi and thanks for watching.
The DAS Light Hoody would definitely be warmer than those 3 midlayers, but unlike those 3 midlayers which is meant to be used at a MET level of 5 - 8 at 20F to -10F (like fast walking, hiking, snowshoeing or jogging), the DAS Light is just meant to be worn as an outer belay layer meant to go overtop of your base + midlayer during rest to low activity levels.
What MET Level (or type of activity) will you be doing between 20F to -10F, with either of these 3 midlayers?
Cheers!
Is this coming for the arc teryx?
Yes, it will be coming for Arc'teryx, hopefully in the next few weeks. Stay tuned!
Another vote from me for Arc’teryx layering guide.
Keep up the great work.
I am un able to fine the galvanized jacket so what do you recommend instead of that?
Hello and thanks for watching!
Patagonia have a few colors and sizes of the Galvanized Jacket on their wornwear site, in excellent condition.
wornwear.patagonia.com/p/patagonia-ms-galvanized-jacket-mens/83147
wornwear.patagonia.com/p/patagonia-ms-galvanized-jacket-mens/83145
wornwear.patagonia.com/p/patagonia-ms-galvanized-jacket-mens/83146
Alternatively, the Patagonia Stormstride Jacket is equally stretchable and waterproof.
Hey! I’ve been looking for a 1-2 jackets us for anything from light rain/wind to 32° below
I’m looking at Patagonias 3-1 downdrift jacket but can’t find any reviews on it.
Do you think this would make a good cover all mid-out later layer?
Nothing extreme just outside a lot in heavy wind, rain and cold weather
Thanks for watching.
Regarding the Downdrift 3-in-1 Jacket, while it looks nice and stylish, the open front neck/collar looks very exposed to heavy wind, rain and cold weather.
I think a jacket like the DAS Light Hoody would be good for light rain/wind to 32° below. As long as it's not heavy rain, the DWR treated nylon outer face fabric should be fine for light rain/wind, as long as your not spending hours it. If you are, then you should invest in a rain shell than can layer over the DAS Light Hoody. You'll need to experiment but I suggest starting with a Storm10 and size up accordingly if need be.
For 32° below where rain is no longer an issue, but rather snow, wind and cold temps, then just add a warm fleece under the jacket like an R2 Techface, Better Sweater or Synchilla, etc.
@@weekendgearguide totally agree with the Das! Bought it a month ago as it started snowing heavily and I got it for under 200$(a no-brainer almost). I layer it with older mammut fleece or mammut down jacket and a (very) thin ski underwear and have no problem walking my dog at - 5c (about 25f). although I didn't experience heavy rain yet, snow is no problem. Very happy
@@derrollmops Awesome deal! Yes, the DAS Light is a wonderful jacket. Wet snow and light precipitation is no problem for the DAS.