Sardonicast 41: Midsommar, Southland Tales
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- čas přidán 27. 06. 2024
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Timecodes:
00:00 - Intro
1:38 - Cool Cat
5:10 - Cancelled Fox Projects
15:54 - Midsommar (SPOILERS)
40:00 - Southland Tales (SPOILERS)
1:23:15 - Q&A
Ralph's Recommendation for Next Episode is Cinema Paradiso (Directors Cut). - Zábava
Timecodes:
00:00 - Intro
1:38 - Cool Cat
5:10 - Cancelled Fox Projects
15:54 - Midsommar (SPOILERS)
40:00 - Southland Tales (SPOILERS)
1:23:15 - Q&A
Ralph's Recommendation for Next Episode is Cinema Paradiso (Directors Cut).
Nope. You are nitpicking and bias. I win. Bye bye
I just love it whenever they talk about cool cat
Also this: czcams.com/video/x6lZe-lWwt8/video.html
@@stanko00001 dunkey reference
Good thing you leave these comments, CZcams in its infinite wisdom doesn't allow you to use the time stamps in the description anymore.
Ralph: "Hi there, friends, I'm excited to talk about this week's movies"
Alex: "Me too, I really liked them, what did you guys think?"
Adam: "HOLD UP GUYS, YOU WON'T BELIEVE WHAT COOL CAT JUST DID!"
Adum’s just salty that he watched Southland Tales and not Southland Tails.
Got im
I love how this podcast chronicles the life of Derek Savage
Coolcaticast!
RickRaptor105 I just want another Cool Cat movie and I don't think it'll happen...
I want an Oscar nominated documentary about this man’s life and Cool Cat.
@@mitchellgeorge6031 Who would play Derek Savage?
Love the podcast but god damn the 2 weeks feels like a year ever time
watch JAR media
I watched it over a week ago on the website
@@ThePhantom4516 Jar kinda sucks. I play it on low volume for noise sometimes but content-wise it's annoying as hell, and one member you can't even understand because of his terrible mumbling.
yes biweekly feels too much but its okay i guess czcams.com/video/mJEptlJMT60/video.html
WORD
IHE world renown voice actor from Hunt Down The Freeman
Nobody:
Adums Laugh: hO he HAAA
Animated Aaron Objectively the best laugh
he's the Rich Evans of Sardonicast
Thanks for introducing me to the "Fresh Prince of Dickbutt" Adum, I'll never be the same, and the therapy will not pay for itself.
Syd Beretta czcams.com/video/DQ5L1S8Pe1o/video.html
You’re welcome
I want a biography film about Derek Savage. Like a Ed Wood thing or something like that.
They should do this
Starring Daniel Day Lewis.
@@crixxxxxxxxx it would be legendary if he came out of retirement for this
I think we all do lol
@@crixxxxxxxxx As Daddy Derek, he would get his fourth Oscar.
It's been over two month with Ralph not having any audio issues.
He was rescued by sailors
@Luke S Haha
---QUESTION TIMESTAMPS---
1:23:30 - What Do You Think Of The Practice Of Singers/Musicians Becoming Actors?
1:29:42 - Between Adam & Ralph Who Can Do A Better British Accent?
1:35:05 - How Would You Rank The Movies From Edgar Wright's Cornetto Trilogy?
1:40:02 - What's Your Favorite Voice Performance From An Animated Film That Isn't Disney?
1:42:06 - Adam & Alex If You Were To Run Into Derek Savage, What Would You Say/Do?
1:44:33 - What Do You Think Is The Greatest Waste Of Great Work By An Artist On A Bad Movie?
1:48:42 - Do You Think Remasters For CGI Movies Could Work To Stop The Movie From Being Dated?
Thank u.
The segment with the accents was gold
New home alone movie starring fully grown Macaulay colkin in the spirit of the purge series would be perfect
Let's crowdfund that. After seeing Mac on RLM, I think he'd kill it.
Oh yeah, they’re talking about Southland Tales. Oh boy
I’m so glad Ralph picked Cinema Paradiso. It’s my mothers favorite film and one of mine as well
Oh boy what weekly Cool Cat drama awaits us this time?
Just realized how redundant that sentence was on re-read ooooof
This week's weekly cool cat drama is pretty interesting this week
Southland Tales was a modern take on the Book of Revelations, which was a drug-fueled mess of a book.
The Rock was the old Jesus (Jericho Cane), Sarah Michelle Geller was the Whore of Babylon, Sean Wallace was the Anti-Christ, Sean William Scott is the New Christ, etc. When Christopher Lambert rolls up in a white ice cream truck full of guns, you'd better believe he's Death on the Pale Horse.
The movie was a mess, but so is the source material. It reminded me of when I first watched Oh Brother, Where Art Thou. I as so confused because I had no idea about Homer's Odyssey. But once I read that book, it all made sense.
If you know about the Book of Revelations, I can't guarantee you'll like the movie any more than you do, but I'd bet the thing will make a LOT more sense. You have to imagine that someone in the past saw the future, barely understood it, and then wrote the Book of Revelations, and now it's happening.
“Richard Kelly you dropped the plot!” - Adum, 2019
Honestly I'd watch an Adum and Pals of Southland Tales
the thought of scoot sitting through 150 minutes of nonsense sounds like comedic gold
Southland Tales feels like a bad movie adaptation of a Chuck Palahniuk book.
@@ergoth154if Chuck Palahniuk and Phillip K. Dick fucked
Under The Silver Lake is David Robert Mitchells 3rd feature. He did a coming of age drama called "Myths of the American sleepover" its a solid little film but hard to find to watch.
Hamish Halliday I think Hulu uploaded it recently.
Man he’s got a knack for really intruiging titles
These guys are all in their 20s and still making fun of each other’s accents.
I love this podcast to bits.
First time I heard of Southland Tales was when a dozen or so Channel Awesome producers had a giant crossover review of it like 7 years ago. Funny it's happening again with you guys lol
I love how angry Alex is in this episode. It’s fantastic to hear.
I’ve seen Southland Tales popping up online lately. I’m curious as to why. That film was a convoluted mess but I loved it so much. I just love surrealism and strangeness.
Surrealism and strangeness without a soul or good execution is nothing.
@;_; ok even though its so desperately trying to be a perfect art film? This reeks of pretending to have a soul, instead of actually having one
Auture driven blank check second movies, sometimes, turn out to be Boogie Nights or Pulp Fiction. Other times they're Southland Tales...
funnily enough i prefer southland tales over both of those...
@@schnozchan6606 oof
@@randomguy6679 southland tales is one of the best films of the 2000's, hands down. boogie nights and pulp fiction are both good don't get me wrong, they're among my favourites, but as far as my personal tastes are concerned, southland tales is right up my alley in terms of what is possible with the medium of film. kelly's dissection of the 2000's new wave patriot paranoid neoliberal zeitgeist is insanely spot on, especially nowadays when looking at it in hindsight. people get too bogged down in trying to figure out the surface level plot elements, too invested in what the movie is showing you at face value, rather than engaging with it on a deeper level and looking at what the film is actually about and is actually saying. there's really nothing else like it.
@@schnozchan6606 but when the ideas are so horribly executed, then the ideas themselves mean nothing
@@randomguy6679 see that's probably where we differ most integrally, I have no issue with the execution. I think Kelly did an admirable job executing his concept, I understood what he was putting down on first watch, but I was never invested in trying to figure out the plot itself. In my opinion, the plot of this movie is almost entirely insignificant. This is a movie about messy geopolitics and socioeconomic phenomena and a paranoid collective unconscious, the fact the plot is so indecipherable and convoluted reflects the feeling one would get trying to fully grasp the geopolitical landscape, parsing through layer upon layer of conflicting narratives until you feel like a fuckin schizo (kinda like Roland Taverner or Boxer Santaros). Despite the "bad execution" I still find a LOT to mull over in this film, which to me indicates Kelly executed exactly what he meant to, it just depends on how you choose to engage with it. The concepts are all there and they're all coherent pieces of a whole, you just have to understand what things Kelly really wants you to pay attention to, like the dance between Boxer and Krysta at the end, or the vice president never understanding what's going on, the image of sentries lining the boardwalk ready to "protect and serve", USident employees doing yoga stretches before a long day of civil rights violations, Pilot Abilene in his bloodstained tee jamming to The Killers before solemnly staring into the camera as he comes down from his drug binge, an auspicious blimp full of the richest most influential people on the planet leaving the rabble behind (Have a nice apocalypse!), a pornstar and the biggest actor in Hollywood penning a screenplay that details the end of the world, celebrity as the modern day saint or biblical figure. There's too much here to be written off because it doesn't adhere to arbitrary standards of how a movie "should" be executed.
To Adam, people say "Erm" in Yorkshire
Southland Tales, or Everything the movie.
I know they laugh about Seann William Scott being in this movie but I really like him as an actor, he’s been branching out into more than just comedy and I think he’s got real potential
i watched midsommar after my mom died of cancer. the actor does a tremendous job of portraying anxiety and grief. i felt those things INSTANTLY when she was on screen.
The second watch of Midsommar did go by much faster for me! A second watch is necessary IMO.
Adum: "Who even buys these tabloids?"
Alex: *Starts sweating nervously*
How did you not mention Donald Glover when you were talking about Musician/actors
Vinny Simms true
Could you guys have Macon as a guest?
Macon works for Disney, so he wouldn't want to be a guest on the podcast unfortunately.
@@samanthaseguinunnamedproject dang it :(
He's deader than Rich Evans
@@lukess.s Bruce Willis may have killed his first form, but he has ascended, so he has a second form...
He died sorry
I really loved Midsommer and related to the themes of breaking up a toxic relationship as I just got out of a very intimate relationship, it's definitely one of my favorites of the year. I don't think you'll have to worry about Ari Aster making similar films like this because he actually wrote Hereditary and Midsommer back to back after breaking off a long term relationship. I'm super excited to see where his career goes to and hey I rather see something original that's inspired more than whatever Disney shits out.
False he was asked to write MS after a Swedish production co read Hereditary, he initially didn’t even want to do it until the breakup aspect, but hereditary has been floating around for a while..
Hereditary came from a rough period of years where he said his family felt “cursed”.
You’re right he wants to break away from horror however
If you don’t have a doink-it, you’re a baby.
gb films facts
They cancelled an animated film that looked fantastic called Mouse Guard. I think Adam, Ralph and Alex need to look up demo reel footage online because it’ll blow their mind
Richard kelly was laughed out of canes for Donnie darko which only caugh on until later
Thanks for this, I've been going through the old Sardonicasts in reverse order the last couple weeks and I feel like an asshole.
sad
I need one of them to recommend Cronenberg's Naked Lunch. I can't possibly imagine how any of them could even begin to figure it out.
You got your wish lol
There something about Southland Tales. It's horrible, but as the movie goes on I just kept being more and more mystified how the movie even existed. It was almost entertaining in just how bizarre and off and wrong everything about it was.
Drake got his start on Degrassi so he's already switched industries
Thanks to all three of you for this podcast. It’s pretty much the only one I listen to consistently.
Southland Tales is the Everything Nachos of filmmaking
So far this may be my favorite movie review recommendation they’ve done.
wow cinema paradiso, my father's favorite movie, I only saw it when I was around 22 and it's a truly heartwarming piece of cinema, can't wait for next episode you guys!
I know Saoirse Ronan says "emmmm" instead of "ummm" so maybe it's an irish/northern thing?
I've noticed Irish and Scottish people pronouncing it like that a lot, so yeah I think so.
And Newcastle
Really happy that the boys finally talked about Shaun of the Dead, albeit briefly.
I love that movie but had an awful experience when I excitedly showed it to my entire family and they all collectively hated it.
Like I know others not enjoying the same things as you are fine and doesn't invalidate your opinions, but it's still rough to be passionate about something and then presenting it to an entire room of people who misinterpret and shit on it the entire way through.
SAME. I felt so vindicated seeing these guys give Barry Lyndon and The Holy Mountain such unanimous praise cause I was the guy for years who’d try and show my “friends” stuff and they’d shit on it and actually made a thing out of it.
@@tonywords6713 Actually for like months and maybe even years after showing my family Shaun of the Dead my parents would bring it up like "remember that one time you made us watch a fucking zombie movie? Jesus."
i just watched southland tales last night and fuckin loved it. only non-lynch film i've seen that ACTUALLY feels lynchian. underrated gem.
Thanks for choosing my question!! You guys are awesome!!
That is some straight philosophy right there from three leeches of humanity.
I legitimately saw cinema Paradiso last week, I am was trying to think of how long I’d wait for them to talk about it. Thank god it’s only two more weeks
From Donnie Darko becoming a cult hit in 2001,to just before Southland Tales was played at Cannes, Richard Kelly was being hyped as the next big thing in all the film mags. Since he's not made anything in a decade,Kelly sure burnt all his bridges.
This is one of my favorite episodes of the podcast 😂
southland tales is a huuuge mess, and it drags like hell, but for some reason there's always been something about it that just resonates with me. i think it's got some good ideas here and there, and despite failing as a whole, there are elements that work for me regardless. i guess i'm on ralph's team for once
I don't think I'll ever forget that movie.
ive watched the drag at least 20 times
Southland Tales is great (at least the Cannes cut, I slept on it for a long time and never saw the theatrical cut, which sounds like a mess from everything I've read). The closest comparisons I can think of are William Klein's Mr. Freedom, Ken Russel's Liszt-O-Mania and Head (the Monkees movie).
Years ago I read an interview with Dušan Makavejev where he talks about how with Sweet Movie, instead of making a didactic film that used conventional narrative and cinematic language to TELL the audience what to think, it works by introducng a concept and then making the audience physically feel the discomfort or confusion or disgust that he wants them to associate with that concept (he said it more eloquently though, or at least the translator did). Southland Tales is no Sweet Movie, but I do think it (maybe accidentally?) works in a similar way.
If nothing else, if you lived through the first Bush term in the USA with any degree of critical awareness, Southland Tales captures the mood of those years better than any other movie I can think of.
Anyway, after finally watching this a lot of the criticisms I've heard for years seem like listening to a piano instrumental and then saying it had bad lyrics.
EDIT: also, in the Cannes cut at least, the narrative really isn't that convoluted.
i adore southland tales, and it is precisely because it captures a moment in the collective unconscious so perfectly and plays with it within the artifice of film perfectly, it uses the medium the best it can to elevate it's premise and concept. which, simply put, is that it kinda felt like the world was ending in 2006 and in the early 2000's in general, so kelly took the prototypical End of the World tale (Revelations) and just applied it to the world of 2000's America, which was an absurd, greedy, late stage capitalist, neoliberal shitshow of resurging patriotic attitudes, growing division and intolerance, ignorance and fear in the wake of the worsening climate crisis, government overreach driving paranoia and unforeseen teen horniness. the movie is goofy and silly and dumb because if the world ended in 2008, it would be fucking goofy and silly and dumb. just look at the shit that happened 10 years later with trump and now we got this senile coot biden and right wingers are just off their rocker entirely to the point of pure absurdity and my god the neo-marxists are just the same thing as twitter leftists, kelly was in his fucking BAG when he made this shit! the story is messy because the SUBJECT is messy, the WORLD is messy. why should a film addressing these messy topics have to adhere to some clean style of storytelling? in general, this mindset when looking at films as something that has to cleanly and neatly explain itself in a digestible and profitable manner just holds the medium back from being what it can be, pure expression, ideas and abstractions of ideas made real just for the sake of itself, just for the sake of it existing.
its a guilty pleasure for me
Southland Tales was hilarious. Bit long, but very funny.
I had to watch Southland Tales for one of my media classes and I had no idea what the fuck was going on and that's why i had to come here, but I love all you guys so that makes it better
That into was like straight from the bible lmao
Speaking of Home Alone, when are you guys getting Macaulay on here? He does a fun little podcast and he seems like the type of guy who would be a great guest for you guys.
27:37 their reason for staying is VERY BELIEVABLE. I took some anthropology courses in college and what they drill into your her is that no matter how fucked yo the practices of other cultures seem to you, you need to be accepting and completely non judge mental. Having that ideology drilled into your mind for several years would blind you from realizing it’s a cult.
Gotta be honest, I didn’t even bother watching Southland Tales for this.....
Sounds so fucking bad...it would be a great audio book.
Same
I just watched the trailer
I would've watched it if it was on Netflix somewhere. I didn't even know it existed until Adam recommended it and fuck I need to watch this to see this clusterfuck for myself.
It is bad but is very fascinating to watch cus it's ridiculously complex for a bad film
My Once Uppn a Time in Hollywood fanart didn’t get featured :( . Oh well I’ll make another one :)
Go for it buddy
Is it on the subredit?
Maybe next episode?
Steve Johnston Yeah
I really like Southland Tales. Some pretty creative ideas in that film.
On the topic of musicians turned actors Tom Waits has to be my favourite. He's obviously usually type cast into wacky eccentric roles but he suits them to a T. His English accent in Dracula was one of the best accents put on in the movie.
Michael Shannon has a band and hes an amazing actor.
On the second viewing the slow pacing reveals itself as you need time to read the whole screen and draw correlations in the film. 10/10
Yes! There is background noise that is crucial to understanding everything too. The director has said he wanted a movie that would require multiple viewings, and damn...he succeeded at THAT.
1:33:49 is that Alex or Arthur Morgan
1:23:30
No love for Tom Waits? Between him and David Bowie, they’re the ONLY musicians who have given consistently good/great performances.
Tyler Smith thank you
Jim Jarmusch consistently gets amazing performances from musicians. Even Joe STrummer is great in Mystery Train.
Kris Kristoffersen isn't all bad either.
Frank Sinatra
Real Excited for Cinema Paradiso!!!
Sindri Snær Sigurðsson hello Icelander...lucky you
How did you know I was from Iceland?
Sindri Snær Sigurðsson lol, your name gives it away a tiny bit but also I’m like an “Iceland nerd”. I’ve been there many times and love the culture and the people. Spent all of last September there. Was your tourism season a little less annoying this year, last year was terrible from my perspective and I barely even went to the big spots.
Oh that’s awesome dude. Yeah there are a lot of tourists. If might have slowed down a bit but still
Sindri Snær Sigurðsson I might have to wait a little before going back. It was a sea of selfie sticks and people wearing rock climbing clothes in town. I mean I know it’s great for your economy but it must be really annoying sometimes.
I wish Sardonicast would do an episode on Dogville.It is Lars Von Trier's best film.It's a legitimate masterpiece.
Damn, I didn't realise just how much of a flop Southland Tales was. It made less than 400k on a 17 million dollar budget. Ouch.
thats probably due to its limited release after cannes, but still like damn.
They’re totally right about Southland Tales. But there ARE several moments that are visually arresting. Most centered around a great song.
Wow that intro is deep man way to hit hard with a quote like that
I was waiting for the midsummer one
My pretend friends are back!!!!
Alex, have you been practicing your Arthur Morgan impression? “Well, when I found out I was gay...” sounded an awful lot like the ol’ boy.
Can't believe Ralph just declared war on religion.
Florence was beautiful and her acting was wonderful, honestly my favorite actress atm
Adum I liked the Nathan For You reference to the doink-it
I’m excited for Cinema Paradiso! The music is so wonderful!
Ralph needed to summon the ghost of Yanky Jim for the accent contest
The Rock is perfectly capable of playing against type, but the different roles still play to his strengths. Apparently Kelly's first choice for the role was Benicio Del Toro. I think he could have done a better job, but he probably would have still embarrassed himself.
I watched Midsommar not knowing a single thing about the movie. My friends told me I had to come to see it and we saw it high and MAN, the movie was just 10 times better while on drugs LMAO.
I saw it high af too in a theater. I was the only person there too which made it that much creepier.
Did you notice the pulsing flowers and did you think it was cuz you were high?
I haven’t even watched it yet and this episode looks great
40:00 nostalgia (for simpler times)
56:49 this is borderline experimental
Rest In Peace Ralph Sepe
CINEMA PARADISO!!!!!!!
I can't decide if Ralph sounds more like George Lucas or Julia Child; just a random thought I had.
Can't wait for PG-13 Alien and Predator movies.
Childish Gambino is a great answer to the actors being musicians questions
The fact that this is episode 41 is very trippy to me. How have we already gotten this far??
Did Adam just quote Marilyn Mansons Bowling for Columbine segment when talking about Daddy Savage? If so, well played.
Clicked asap when I saw Midsommar in the title
Is Alex going for an Arthur Morgan voice? (1:33:49)
-QUESTION TIMESTAMPS-
1:23:30 - What Do You Think Of The Practice Of Singers/Musicians Becoming Actors?
1:29:42 - Between Adam & Ralph Who Can Do A Better British Accent?
1:35:05 - How Would You Rank The Movies From Edgar Wright's Cornetto Trilogy?
1:40:02 - What's Your Favorite Voice Performance From An Animated Film That Isn't Disney?
1:42:06 - Adam & Alex If You Were To Run Into Derek Savage, What Would You Say/Do?
1:44:33 - What Do You Think Is The Greatest Waste Of Great Work By An Artist On A Bad Movie?
1:48:42 - Do You Think Remasters For CGI Movies Could Work To Stop The Movie From Being Dated?
The Critical Drinker did a really salty video on how much he hated midsommar and people keep telling him that he just "doesn't get it".
Bianka Toth I don't like saying that about most movies because "You didn't get it" sounds so pretentious. But with some of the reviews on Midsomar I feel like it's appropriate. When people are literally saying the opening of the movie has nothing to do with the rest of the film, then yeah you didn't get it. (Chris Stuckman, Moist Meter guy)...
I mean, if you didn't like the film very much, that's fine. But really? The worst film of 2019? Worst than the Aladdin remake or The Lion King remake?
adum was actually pretty smart when he said maybe bruce was just going senile.
Have you guys seen Possession (1981)? I'd say it's one to definitely check out if you liked the "break up horror" aspect of Midsommar.
Do you know where to find that? I've been trying to watch it forever.
With Love, Thomas It’s very hard to find. I had to use Kodi on Amazon FireTV
Phenomenal film. One of my favorites.
With Love, Thomas there’s a great Blu-ray release my friend let me borrow but 123movies also has it if you just want to stream it for free :) they usually have weirder stuff like that’s where I found “happiness” as well by Solondz
@@tonywords6713 I think it's also free on CZcams if you just search Possession 1981
can u imagine if they remade eraserhead, starring kevin hart and with a photorealistic cgi sheep foetus
I don't need a Chronicle sequel, but you guys totally forgot Michael B. Jordan starred in that too!
The plot of Southland Tales is the plot to current reality. Ha! We should be so lucky.
--QUESTION TIMESTAMPS--
1:23:30 - What Do You Think Of The Practice Of Singers/Musicians Becoming Actors?
1:29:42 - Between Adam & Ralph Who Can Do A Better British Accent?
1:35:05 - How Would You Rank The Movies From Edgar Wright's Cornetto Trilogy?
1:40:02 - What's Your Favorite Voice Performance From An Animated Film That Isn't Disney?
1:42:06 - Adam & Alex If You Were To Run Into Derek Savage, What Would You Say/Do?
1:44:33 - What Do You Think Is The Greatest Waste Of Great Work By An Artist On A Bad Movie?
1:48:42 - Do You Think Remasters For CGI Movies Could Work To Stop The Movie From Being Dated?
Yay sardonicast, love u boys