Jim Cornette & Brian Last Debate If JBL Is A Bully
Vložit
- čas přidán 5. 04. 2017
- Listen to the Jim Cornette Experience each Thursday and Jim Cornette's Drive Thru each Monday on iTunes, Stitcher, Podcast Addict, iHeartRadio, and everywhere else podcasts are available!
Visit JimCornette.com for the latest Jim Cornette news and Cornette's Collectables merchandise! - Krátké a kreslené filmy
hahaha Brian is supposed to be Jim's anger management therapist and his first response to JBL's name is AW FUCK THAT GUY lollll
Good for Brian for speaking his mind and not mindlessly agreeing with Cornette.
Brian Last is a bitch.
Brian is smart, he will agree on Jim when it suits him. During all of Jim’s public exploits he remains silent. It’s clever business for himself and his network! I’m a big fan of JC but his views are antiquated and he rants on about the same things over and over again. There will become a time in the future where Brian will have to back out for his own reputation, mark my words!
Agreed
@@Yamah12a what has JC said that will get him cancelled by snowflakes?
But Jim isn't wrong for having his opinion, especially if you listen part 2 and 3 of Jim and Brian debating if JBL is a bully. I don't work in the wrestling business, however my job is similar in some ways. At my job if someone fucks you, you try the verbal approach by talking to them. If that doesn't work, you get the union rep involved, management should be oblivious. If the union rep's words fall on deaf ears then there's one other option because going to management is frowned upon and looked upon as squealing. The last option is step over to the union hall before work, during break or after your shift and settling it physically.
7:25 : My favorite part is Brian telling horrible things that JBL has done... And Cornette laughing about it like they were great pranks LOL
They are great pranks. Everyone is just a little bitch now, especially Brian Last. He is your typical whiny liberal.
@@iandander2473 TFW Jim is also a Liberal.
@@iandander2473 They’re not pranks and if this had been someone that Jim hates doing the same things JBL has done Cornette would be ranting and raving to no end, I’m a fan but damn, it’s pretty obvious that after listening to Jim for a few years now he has a bit of a blind spot for people he likes and gives them way too much leeway.
They say if you side with a piece of s*** that means you are one too
@@JoseMiranda-gj4pq dont we all?
"FUCK YOU I'm drunk too!"
I died.
and Jim needs to realize that locking someones bag to a locker and being abandoned in a foreign country are 2 different thiigs, its not "verbal jousting"
brandon rogue Sounds the same to me :3
I usually agree with Jim on a lot of things but he is wrong here, and Brian is right. JBL puts on a good "nice person" act when he wants to, but he is a bully and bullying people can have lasting effect on peoples lives, and for those that do not think that it does tells a lot about you. If WWE is all about be a star, well they need to get rid of JBL before he does anything further like running off one of the greatest announcers to grace WWE since Jim Ross.
Lol who has it affected "for the rest of their lives"... Haha what are you 15? He's an old schooler that's how shut went down, stand up for yourself
@@gleenfales Some people aren’t built that way. I was a bully to bullies as a kid, went through a really quiet phase, and now I’m somewhere in the middle. Any way you slice it, some dude starting shit with me just to start shit with me isn’t cool. Ribbing is fine. I love ribbing. I *LIVE* for ribbing. But damn, there’s a difference between ribbing someone, fucking with em, or aggravating them the way, say, a brother would, and just being an asshole. Why do some people go out of their way to condone being an asshole?
A load of wrestlers need to give JBL a beat down .
you got that right brother
Bart Gunn knocked him out on television. Steve Blackman apparently beat him up in an airport
Joey styles also knocked him out
Stevie Richards gave him a legit concussion after the whole Blue Meanie thing.
Patrick cool
Like everybody else, this is the ONE time where I'm just like, "Cornette, just stop dude."
I like Jim, I'm a big fan of his. But I have noticed that if he's talking about someone he likes that did something wrong he'll come up with excuses for them. But if it's about someone he doesn't like he takes no prisoners. For example, it amazes me how Jim bashes Kenny Omega for things he's done in the past, yet he has nothing but praise and happiness for Matt Hardy and his broken gimmick.
You mean like most fans do for Benoit? Depends all on who you like.
@@gahlblah5649 Eh, Benoit was a great worker... Okay promo, but sadly he will always be remembered as a murderer
I used to do the same for the Dynamite Kid tbh. Make excuses about how great he was but I realised I was defending someone indefensible.
@@walsh9080 Well, Jake the Snake always used to say that Davey Boy winded him up all the time until Davey Boy's kid got offended
@@sketchstevens5859 It's not what Dynamite did to Davey that's the problem mate. Although that's interesting, I didn't know that.
I think I know why Corny TRULY like Bradshaw. It’s because JBL hates Vince Russo. Vince Russo even stated in a shoot interview that the concept for the Brawl For All tournament was designed because Russo wanted to see Bradshaw get his ass kicked.
Jake Schweber Well that’s why JBL loves Jim
Brawl for all was the shits. If he'd wanted to embarrass JBL he could have booked him over and over with blackman, holly, Severn, Shamrock and squashed by Dr Death.
You dont need to book the shitty brawl.
Brian wins this. A few funny stories don't outweigh JBL's history.
"There are very few people I would like to see hit in the face with an anvil."crying with laughter. Best line ever from Brian.
“Throw that guy in the fucking wood chipper.”
"Hit in the face with an anvil!" Lost my coffee with that one! 😂😂😂
mark
I rarely agree with Brian but on this point he is spot on
I agree, JBL is pretty worthless as a talent and as a human being...
@@markdp1983 JBL was a great heel. I always liked him, he had such a punchable face and being a real multimillionaire from Wall Street are great credentials. I sometimes wonder if Cena got so over because he was the guy who finally ended JBL's reign.
Pussies. The guy was great at what he did.
Brian Last sounds like a little whiny bitch, just like your typical Democrat.
Bradshaw was one of my favorites when he was in the APA. Hated him as JBL & it wasn't heel heat either. Then i hear the stories about him backstage & it fucked up the APA Bradshaw for me.
JBL is just a jock that gets a kick out of making young wrestlers miserable and I'm surprised because i heard Harry Smith was one of the guys he bullied I'm surprised that kid didn't knock JBL the fuck out.
He wasn't high on the pecking order though i believe it was around 2008 when JBL had a comeback for a year and JBL was in a main event spot and Smith was on heat.
Smackdown is GREAT AND IM LOVING IT, MAGGLE!
"Awww fuck that guy" hahahahahagahahaga
Cornette specializes in defending real life villains like Pat Patterson and Snuka. No surprise here
He’s obviously nice to corny because he was the booker, it would be different if you were a new person or up and comer. He’s an obvious bully
Wow Brian really doesn't like JBL! lol. Enjoyed this debate. Actually think I am more on Brian's side than Jim's here. The Nazi thing I didn't like. That sort of heel tactic is now dated, and is cheap. I think you can be a edgy heel without having to resort to such a thing.
What did Simmons say when they went back and picked him up?......DAMN!
0:22 Brian killed me 😂😂
There's a difference between fun ball busting and bullying. And we know which one JBL is associated with.
Lock JBL up in a room with Atsushi Onita.
Yes , the Onita that tried to get José González ( bruiser brody's killer ) to japan to have a not so kind word with Jose including the yakuza.
Tried to but didn't. So whats the point of bringing it up lol. Plus its just one of those wrestling urban legends, its never been proven true
Didn't Joey Styles knock him out after he tried pushing Joey around?
Nope not true, Brad would destroy him
Jim's the kind of person who loves his friends to death, but can't understand that friends can be bad people/dickheads to others.
The only important view for Jim is his own. Others don't count.
Is he supposed to throw his friend who never did anything wrong to him under the bus? Is that more noble?
@MrYo888779 It's not hard to admit when your friend is a piece of shit. We all have friends that are assholes
EXACTLY!
Probably never been in a position of bullied, because he is not awkward and knows how to conduct himself.
Why do I get the feeling Brian was bullied as a kid? It can't be the overly passionate reposes...
IT'S JOHN O CLOCK!
MOTHER FUCKERS!!!
Yeah, as someone who was bullied tons in high school, I knew people who tried to defend the bullies by saying how nice they were to them. It was bullshit then, it's bullshit now. Just because a bully is nice to you doesn't make them any less of a worthless piece of shit. I hate Vince Russo. I hated the Brawl For It All. But, I LOVED seeing JBL get what was coming to him. And if JBL's breath didn't smell like Vince's cock, his career in the WWE would have been quite short.
Even Shawn Michaels at his worst had friends. So JBL having a few good moments doesn't really mean much.
I love that Brian Last LOVES all the stories Cornette tells about "the way wrestling used to be" but he's outraged by the guys who still have old school mindsets.
Wrestling double-talk is the worst
You don’t hear stories of Arn Anderson walking up behind a guy and soaping up his ass or Nick Bockwinkle getting drunk and shooting on a guy during an angle or Bruno Sammartino bullying someone into stuffing toothpicks into someone’s rental car door handles and breaking them off so they can’t get into their car
@@guyincognito5706 Mr. Perfect's ribs got extremely brutal over time
True. Perfect did have some extreme ribs.
Can’t be a bullying bull shit talking asshole like jbl in the work place anymore and that’s a good thing not a bad thing like corny let’s on it is
It seems to me that people's take on Bradshaw depends on the angle they're viewing him from. In the middle is his actual work: there are both fans and detractors to his wrestling, commentary, and presentation. It's a solid but not outstanding body of work. It seems that whoever sides with him will like it because they'll give him more chances, and whoever hates him will find reason enough to bury and discard his work.
It's obvious why people hate Bradshaw: bully, loudmouth, often drunk, crossed the line between ribbing and hazing. One who would see the business from the perspective of a new wrestler or employee who would likely be a target of JBL's antics - one who imagines one day entering the locker room and wanting it to welcome them - will hate the man and they will *fear* him, yes, fear even when he supposedly can't take a punch and shit like that.
To a person who views the locker room from the perspective of management or an established employee, though, having a personnel filter is valuable. Bradshaw, as Cornette points out, was a constructive bully: when he picked on you, his desired response was a standoff. Goading people into a fight to gauge whether or not they're respectable is a crude, ancient tactic, but it usually works. With JBL the problem was that there were tough/respectable people who didn't respond as he expected, such as Steve Blackman: No response right up until the point Blackman almost fucking murdered the poor guy and had him publicly grovel.
Brian in this segment often talks about how supposedly Bradshaw was only around for so long because he sucked up to Vince and Vince loved all the smoke John blew up his ass, but my theory is that Vince valued Bradshaw precisely because his torment in the locker room would mean that the people that lasted in WWF/E were the kind that wouldn't crack under pressure, and would stand up to their problems. Similar story with Ron Simmons in contrast to Ahmed Johnson.
And then there's the ultimate proof of the fact that JBL was more of a filter than a pure bully: The Undertaker. Mark is considered one of the most respected locker-room leaders of all time, he's the guy who guaranteed Shawn would do the job at WM14, and hardly anybody has a bad word to say about him - whereas he has shown that he's not going to slobber all over somebody just because they're friends, something people in this comment section are accusing Cornette of. And this legendary locker room leader, do-gooder putter-over, loyal and productive worker.... Is best fucking buddies with Bradshaw. Not only that, from what we know of locker-room confrontations, when Mark would make a call on somebody else's misbehavior, he'd have Bradshaw right there as his bad cop/prosecutor/ whatever you wish to call him. They worked the locker room and maintained order together. In light of this relationship, I find it very difficult to agree with the current mainstream "condemn Bradshaw" stance. Now, a bunch of the things I've referenced are far from firsthand information in my book; I wouldn't be surprised if somebody replied just to try and tell me that Ron Simmons actually wronged Ahmed Johnson or something like that; so I'm not saying I'm definitely right on this matter. But just think this over real quick.
Brian sounded just like Scarface "Awww fuck that guy"
Ribbing and joking around is one thing but it seems like JBL just didn't care about Mauro's mental state or if he did then he didn't bother to show it. So if him bullying Mauro is true then he should be fired.
JBL came up in the business in the mid nineties under the old school thinking of you push a new guy that you're unsure of until they either break or buck up. The theory went that the ones who broke just weren't cut out for the business with the added bonus of you got to see exactly how far you could push the guy who bucked up before they would. Vince has the same mentality, I bet that's why they get along so well. If Mauro would fuck with him when he has the power, when the mic is hot and JBL says something stupid, he might get some heat for a minute, but I bet JBL would cut that shit out and probably respect him more for having the balls to do it.
sickofwashington So what problems might JBL have? Do the bullies ever get help?
TGBL minimizes 'Nazi' by haphazardly using it, but otherwise he's absolutely right about Layfield. That guy deserves a major comeuppance.
"fuck you im drunk too" i love ron
Corny and Last are hilarious together
Oh Fu$k that guy LMAO!😂😂
"We don't talk politics." Well, that changed a little bit over the years, huh?
Brain cry’s too much lol
I’ve heard him tell that same snow story but teddy was the one left in the snow
I love Corny and Lasty. In this instance, I absolutely side with Brian ... everything I have ever heard about JBL concerns him being an absolute POS.
Cornette basically saying, “He likes me, and he kissed my ass when I was his boss, ergo he is a great guy!”
I respect this guy saying JBL is a bully if he truly is ...but JBL seems cool if your cool and respect the wrestling business. Some people don't belong in wrestling...
John was a good worker. His clothesline from hell is the stuff of legends. I've always enjoyed his ring work, personally. Now his personality may well be another story, but of course I wouldn't know myself.
I love how no one mentioned the Broomstick story involving JBL.
The following from #JustinRoberts book regarding bullying he received during his time with #WWE.
Someone from #Smackdown stole Justin's passport from his bag on the final night of a tour to the UK. It was never returned. He had to go to the US embassy in London to get it reissued. "Stealing a passport out of someone's bag is a pretty evil rib and not giving it back means it's no longer a rib".
When they were in Japan on a tour, there was two tour buses - faces and heels. "Bradshaw had both buses pull over". They wouldn't move until Justin was moved from the face bus to the heel one. JBL and his cronies then bullied Justin for the entire journey. "I was very comfortable working the #RAW tours. I was scared for my life to work SmackDown tours".
"JBL would throw my bags down the street...he typically referred to me as dipshit and numbnuts despite my always trying to do a great job...every day I saw him, he asked me why I was still alive and told me to go kill myself".
JBL was being interviewed by a high-schooler and, after the kid dropped his notes, Bradshaw asked the mother if "she had any children who weren't mentally disabled".
boobins66 Yep, it definitely sounds like JBL is a real piece of s#!+. So bipolar people get put down....what about people who were never loved...like JBL?
Sounds like a true heel
boobins66 it’s wrestling ffs it’s not for pussies
Half say he his, half say he isn’t. Clearly he picked his targets
If I got Vince McMahon's spot JBL WOULD NEVER BE SEEN AGAIN ON WWE TV!!!!
Cornett obviously is one of those guys who doesn’t care about how bad a person is as long as they’re nice to them. Like the dumb old ppl who say how sweet their serial killer neighbor are to them
I mean that's the way it should be. It sounds bad but let's not pretend to care about other strangers experiences when in reality we only care about ourselves. It's very popular to pretend like you care so you can look good on the Internet but let's be real you don't give a fuck and neither do I. Was R Kelly a bad person? Yes but it does effect me? Nope. So why should I pretend to care? Apply that logic to your life and I'm sure you'll find happiness some day
The fourth person in the car was godfather
Ron Simmons out in the blizzard "DAMN!"
I really like The Great Brian Last.
Cornette retelling the Stan Hansen "that didn't go like they wanted it" in Japan story is a perfect illustration of JBL's unoriginal gimmick.
That first story was on that story time thing on the network. Episode one if I remember correct
Yes, it was.
#FireJBL
How'd that work out for ya?
JBL tells great stories, so therefore he isn't a bully.
Chris Benoit told great stories, so therefore he didn't murder his family.
I personally, will defend Benoit to the end. I can't believe he did it. If he did, his brain was so far gone, it was unrecognizable.
ngl I started listening because of Cornette but at this point I'm here just as much for Brian
One guy actually knows JBL
The other has read, like, hundreds of newsletters about how mean JBL is
jbl is entertaining as fuck. as a fan of wrestling, that’s my only takeaway. i don’t have the energy to vilify a guy for personal stuff he did to others back when i was a child.
Brian is right
I think i remember Edge and Matt Striker saying JBL used to fuck with them and as soon as they stood up for themselves, JBL backed off
I thought Ron left Teddy pissing in the wind.
the difference is one of these guys speaks from real life experience, 30 plus years in the business, and the other fine gent speaks from "podcast experience" and "years of reading dirt sheets". Granted, JBL is not perfect, the ill fated Tough Man contest he invented is enough for wrestling purgatory, but APA and his reign as champ putting Cena over, are worthy contributions. Also, not a bad commentator .
It's not JBL's fault that nobody in the locker room realizes that we fight on Friday night, Mygul.
To be fair, it sounds like Cornette knew him before he had stroke and started messing with people backstage.
Disagree with Brian lol
Sounds like JBL is Jim's butt buddy.
Chronic Blues youre a child
@@ultraviolentlight2867 you’re calling that dude the child when you called JBL Jim’s butt buddy take a look in the mirror bud
@@AustenHilton read what you wrote again and translate that into something I can make sense of
Wrestling needs heels.. without heels Wrestling dies. Cornette understands j.b.l. Brian is too caught up in it.
I was a victim of bullying. And trust me, that jackass was a bully. Anyone trying to defend him clearly never suffered under a bully and have no idea what they are talking about. JBL should have been fired long, long, long ago and ban ed from the “sport”.
Weird how that story changed years later to it being teddy long stuck in the snow
I'm sure JBL has redemptive qualities. Most people do. I'm not even saying that he's a bad bloke. However, he seems to think it's funny to fuck about with people who he thinks won't retaliate (aka bully) and soon backs off when stood up to or straight up knocked out. He probably never said a bad word to Cornette because he knew that Cornette would verbally destroy him and humiliate him in front of the locker room. However, does that mean he is a bad guy? No, but it does mean he probably has a questionable sense of humour and an elevated sense of self-importance, particularly in an era when all the big boys, bar Undertaker, Simmons and Austin, had gone from the WWF.
What's the name of the other guy on this podcast please?
The Great Brian Last
JBL was good on commentary though
JBL vs. Roman at the next PPV.
I too fucked up a sobriety test sober and got booked. Bad times
Every time JBL tells stories they sound like he's repeating them as if they're his own
When the business was full of tough real guys not wusses pretending to be then this wouldn't even be an issue.
I love how Brian doesn’t pop for any of Cornys lines lol
Did anyone watch the match between jbl vs blue meanie on smackdown its great
JBL is king still and will always be, Brian is just weak for saying this
Exactly
Exactly
I don't think you can really bully JC.
um he said that peel out story before but it was Teddy who got left behind 🤔🤔
Big fan on cornette, and agree with him
jbl is better then Mauro
now we are stuck with corey graves because of the snowflakes
have ya met him?
NO, I DONT WANNA MEET HIM!
same brian, same.
Corny being the voice of reason. Hell is really frozen over
Is bullying one of those things you have to experience to really care about? I never got bullied growing up, but I never picked on anyone either and I couldn’t care less lol
1:41. Oh have time changed
Lol Amen!!
If you pay for a Cameo you think he'd say it again...?
This is surprising that their was one guy that most people hates but Jim likes. Normally it is the other way.
lol at cornette laughing while brian lists
Somebody needs to ask JBL what happened in his life that made him that way?
jbl is a bully and needs firing
We need to figure out a way to start a chant for SD! FireJBL!
Absolute love jbl
Brian is such a mark
They should really chant "fire JBL" on smackdown. Would be very ironic if the universe won't even achkowledge this despite the anti-bullying campaigning WWE has done.
0:19. He sounds sooo Strongly 😅
Brian sounds like a snowflake
"He liked him more after the knockout!"
Nah He Just knows that He gets ko'ed again when He continues that Shit.
It’s obviously southern vs newyork jew clash of personality/ bias
did ya know that JBL beat up the Mlue Beanie for real?
And they paid him a lot of money to just go away after that. So Vince & the higher ups have known for quite a long time now.
But JBL got knocked out by Joey styles on a bus