Is Rauru Really THAT Stupid? | A Zelda Timeline Theory
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- Join me, as we unravel theMysteries of the Zonai, Rauru's puzzling lack of knownladge, and the establishment, or the re-establishment, of Hyrule. Discover a fresh timeline theory that connects Skyward Sword and Tears of the Kingdom. Let me explain why Rauru's knowledge seems out of place with the events. Don't forget to like, subscribe, and share your thoughts in the comments!
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During my research a Post from @RyuuKageDesu on Zelda Dungeon sliped through my radar, so I haven't noticed, that he had the same idea as I did. Sorry ):
But go and Check his Theory out!
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Holy heck! You got half of the Zelda community to help you with this video. And it turned out amazing.
Not only is this one of the most ambitious videos I've seen about TotK, but it's extremely well edited! And it's your first!?!
Hats off to you Banuune. I can't want to see more of your theories about Hyrule and Zeldra- I mean the Light Dragon.
xD Yeah. A lot of people helped me. And i'm so thankful for it.
And yes it's my first "edited" video. I never used davinci or any other editing program. So I'm glad they showed me how to use them.
And yeah. I think there will be another video about Zeldra-IMEANTHELIGHTDRAGON!
Bread Pirate, I salute you. Big fan here.
Wait.... this is their first video? What a let down.... nothing to binge.... I guess I gotta wait impatiently for the next video drop XDD
@@trashcatlinol yes, it's sadly my first Zelda video. The next one is in the workings, but I have a real job, so it's taking me a bit longer than expected xD
@@trashcatlinol sorry to leave you waiting
I just wonder why Zelda or any other sage didn't just pry Ganondorf's secret stone off his foreheadonce he was frozen, it would've been easy(ish); he's rendered helpless, they have functioning hands/weaponry, BOOM no secret stone for Ganondorf.
And link had a chance to get the stone or at least cut off Ganondorf s hand before he had ate the stone and transformed, but he just stood there looking at him.
@@linksteringLink made the same calculation I did. If the soul of ganon was destroyed by draconification there could be no regeneration only a reset of the cycle so why wouldn't you let him purge his self and sense of power to prevent him from ever rising again?
I suspect in order to attack or even touch Ganondorf you would need to break or interfear with Rararu's seal and set Ganondorf free. Remember Ganondorf was trapped and weakend but he did create several calamity Ganons over the generations so not defenseless. Sure he was probably more weakend when the seal was new but again messing with Ganondorf might have accidently freed him. Also when Zelda told Rauru about the future where Ganondorf is still alive and powerful Rauru said that the best possiblity was that Zelda's presence could change history and allow them to win. But if they were not able to change history it was garunteed that the future Zelda described would come true. So no matter what Zelda would find "Ganondorf he lives on until my time as powerful as ever". If they couldn't change history and Ganondorf would still be alive and powerful in the future for sure then they only they could do was make preperations to help Link deal with Ganondorf when the inevitable happened.
For the same reason that Link didn't immediately warn Zelda of Ganondorf's plans in Ocarina of Time when he first went back in time: we would have a much shorter game. But, really, we could have just played that story as the game instead with that as the ending...
if you obtain the mastersword before the last opportunity to do so at the end, zeldra flies up into an even higher cloud barrier, which has the same coloring as the one that's below skyloft.
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I feel like this timeline makes more sense than most of the theories I've seen
Thank you. A lot of thoughts went into it
God bless you ✝️😇
Wait until Nintendo makes the official timeline and just puts it in somewhere randomly since they don't make the games lore in mind so the timeline is a mess🫠
Didn’t Nintendo confirm that the history of the original Zelda timeline was destroyed before the Zonai descended down to Hyrule?
No. They just said, that there is a possibiity that Hyrule was refounded. They haven't specifuically say which came first.
So yeah. It was refounded.
No, they’re horrible story tellers and miyamoto really likes to wear his ass as a hat.
@@Banuuneit was the first time it was founded
The time between TotK and the original Calamity Ganon is twice all of recorded human history, and if you think of how little we know about what happened 5,000 years ago (oldest writings), it's easy to see how information gets lost. And that's just to Calamity Ganon. The founding of Rauru's Hyrule is even more ancient, still
No, Fujibayashi said it's a possibility "Hyrule" may have been destroyed prior to the memories, and specified it was only a possibility. He said this in response to someone who was under the erroneous assumption that the Hyrule, as a whole, was founded immediately after the end of Skyward Sword. Since Fujibayashi never specified if he meant "Hyrule the land" or "Hyrule the Kingdom" we can't know what he meant, but:
A. Regardless of when the memories take place both the land and kingdom are named Hyrule regardless, and in the case of what immediately follows Skyward Sword, the Era of Chaos, it's likely anything founded before that would be destroyed or heavily damaged anyways.
B. Fujibayashi stressed that it was "ONLY A POSSIBILITY."
While I like and have accepted the "dragonbreak" idea (a crisis so big Hyrule gets destroyed, all 3 timelines unify and the hylians are brought back to a more primitive version of themselves as seen in TOTK) I have to admit that the way you explained and showed it made your version of the timeline not only enjoyable, but extremely plausible.
Great work!
Thank you so much. I'm working on the next one, but it will take a while, as I do have a job. But there I will explain in more detail, how I got to this conclusion.
@@Banuune we'll wait for it, this is the first video of yours I watch and if the next is as well done as this one waiting is not a problem
I see a problem. Totk past has already Zoras and Ritos. They fight alongside the other sages. However Ritos are a separate evolution of the Zoras that happens after Ocarina of time
Yeah I know. But there is a simple explanation to that: Nintendo was too lazy to make new models and just re-used some existing stuff. I'm working on my timeline video, where I go more in-depth about the pros and cons about my theory. And if you stick around, you will see my reasoning behind the laziness argument 😉
@@BanuuneI don't think that it's laziness, if it is not intentional
@@Banuune You are right, Nintendo is lazy about the story. Anuma already said he doesnt care to much about the time line. :( sad ):
@@Banuune That's a dangerous mentality that generally leads to the theorist being lazy instead of the story writers. You should re-think that argument.
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Why TF should a theorist be a better writer than the creator of the source material that they're theorizing on? It's Nintendo's job to write a solid, fully functional narrative; all theorists need to do is take the subjective parts of that narrative and expand upon them in interesting ways that could give the story even more theoretical depth. It matters far less if a theorist is "lazy" than it does if the source writer is lazy!
This is definitely the most interesting Timeline theory I have seen so far.
Mmm hmm. Banune is in the Zelda Theory lab cooking. ^0^
Same
I am still sticking with my timeline idea xD But as far as fitting TotK's past into the old official Zelda Timeline, this is probably the best way to do it!
As I'm not trying to convince someone, that's totally fine xD
I just want to open some more ideas to think about. ^^
Plus, I'm also not trying to fit the game itself somewhere, as this seems impossible, just like with botw. But the past seems to fit pretty well. 😂
Well done Banune, the editing here especially turned out wonderfully
Glad you think so!
Pretty superb voice acting.
The Japanese Text tells that the Zonai were Kami, while Kami basically means God/Gods, this is in context not the same as the Picture of the modern Monotheistic picture of a God.
Kami arent completely eternal, they also can perrish at a certain Point or during a certain incident, just like the Asgardian Gods in the scandinavian Mythology.
Maybe since it is said that the Zonai are some sort of Descendants, it is possible that they didnt get passed down all of the Knowledge, like about the Triforce or similar. The Triforce itself was mostly hidden away and only the Royal Family, mainly Descendants of Skyward Sword Zelda, knew about it.
So I rather assume that neither Rauru nor Mineru, who is actually the one with all the Zonai's Knowledge, just didnt knew about anything because. aybe did their Gods/Ancestors not tell them all or they did know of some minor parts but they saw Hyrule as a complete wasteland.
The Japanese Version made it more clear what could have happened, which got cut out by the English Version, however, the Shrines of Light Rauru created might give a Special Hint to what happened.
Unlike the Shiekah Shrines these were never meant to train the Hero, they were even pre-existing before this era's Ganondorf started his attack.
The purpose of these shrines was so it can function as a Cage for Monsters and Demons.
Maybe due to some apocalyptc event Hyrule was destroyed by Monsters overrunning this Kingdom for a long time, I mean no matter if this Founding was Post-Skyward-Sword or Post-Timeline-Events, it is strange that they put away their regular clothing for less practical Greek/Inca Clothess
Small note about the sky barrier: it's stated in three places in TotK (that I know of) that the sky islands appeared at the same time Hyrule Castle went up and the Chasms opened. From the Notes on the Upheaval journal at Purah's house in Lookout Landing ("On that day, the land shook, and huge chasms that seemed bottomless opened in the ground. The clouds billowed and roiled as floating islands appeared in the skies, raining chunks of ruins down on us. And strangest of all, Hyrule Castle began to float in the air"), from Lourda the first time we go to Dueling Peaks Stable ("After the Upheaval, several Zonai ruins suddenly appeared up there"), and in Riju's journal in Gerudo Town ("Both Link and Zelda have gone missing while exploring below Hyrule Castle. Shortly after they were lost, the castle lifted off into the sky, where it was joined by countless small, floating islands"), and we can also clearly see the surface from the Great Sky Island even during the tutorial (you can see the Lake Hylia geoglyph in the opening dive cutscene)
So the Light Dragon flying up through the clouds at the end of the tutorial wasn't what broke the sky barrier that was concealing the sky islands, it was broken by the Upheaval itself, but maybe there was a smaller sky barrier shielding only the Great Sky Island to protect Link while he recovered, and THAT was what the Light Dragon broke through at the end of the tutorial? There's a debate to be had about whether draconified dragon-people still retain some of their human consciousness, but as we see with the Demon Dragon, the person's last thought/intent as a human seems to carry over into their dragon form, and Zelda's last thought was to help Link destroy the Demon King/help him protect Hyrule, so maybe that translated into the Light Dragon having a protective instinct around Link which led to the creation of a sky barrier to conceal the landmass Link was recovering on
And IMO the biggest inconsistency with TotK's Era of Founding being so far back in the past as to predate all other Zelda games is...the geography of ancient Hyrule that we see in the memories. It's still similar enough to BotW/present-day TotK that we can pick out landmarks, and some of the locations look EXACTLY as they do in the modern era (Oseira Plains and Taobab Grassland in The Gerudo Assault, Lake Kolomo in Zelda And Sonia, and the architecture of the walls of the Great Plateau still being the same as they appear in the present). I REALLY don't buy that Hyrule's geography changed so dramatically to appear as it did in other games, only to then go right back to a near-identical layout, and for this reason (and others), I'm of the opinion that there was a convergence of the timelines and that this Era of Founding is a brand new Hyrule, wwwaaaaayyyyy after the last installments of all previous timelines
My problem here is the Architechture. If the Hylians built hyrule First, it got "destroyed", then Rauru built his kingdom, which was floated, WHY would they do back to the same architechture they had prior to rauru? Because the Temple of Time for example, "is said to be" the same temple as in Ocarina, or at least from the artstyle. Why would they have the OoT temple, then Rauru's Temple and THEN rebuilt the old temple.
For me the architechture is the most significant point to my argument xD
And yeah, I guess Zeldra, I mean the LIght Dragon, has made a Cloud Barrier for the Great Sky Island and Mineru, Zonai or Sheika, have made another othe for the rest of the Sky, that was Shut off when Ganondorf punshed the Pillar above him, as @monstermaze suggested in his video ^^
@@Banuune IMO the sky barrier (and the magic concealing the geoglyphs, and Hyrule Castle, and the catacombs under the castle leading down to the Imprisoning Chamber) was made by the ancient Hylians who became the ancient Sheikah, which is the only other ancient technologically advanced race that we know of and which would have still been around after the disappearance of the Zonai and the raising of the Great Sky Island. Impa tells us that the geoglyphs were drawn by ancient peoples who came into contact with the Dragon Tears, and those only came down AFTER the Imprisoning War, and the Sheikah had a Wifi system where their tech was all tied to a central hub in Hyrule Castle that activated it in BotW, so they could have tied the magics concealing the sky islands and the geoglyphs to the Imprisoning Spike/Conduit/Whatever
And IMO it isn't that they built over the Temple of Time from OoT, we see that the myths of a past Hyrule have persisted even up to this modern era, with locations and the Divine Beasts being named after mythical figures, so new structures could have been named after mythical places of significance like the Temple of Time. Hell, even the name "Hyrule" was from the Era of Myth, confirming that Rauru/the Zonai knew the myths of a past Hyrule, and the Old Man's dialogue in BotW that says the Great Plateau/the Temple of Time is said to be "the birthplace of the entire kingdom of Hyrule" makes sense in the context that this is where the seat of power was for Rauru's Hyrule. The original kingdom and all its architecture would have been washed away in the Great Flood of Wind Waker, and in BotW/TotK the Temple of Time is in the same architectural style as Hyrule Castle, which was definitely built AFTER the Imprisoning War and the raising of the Great Sky Island by Hyruleans, so: the Great Plateau was where Rauru built his castle and the original Temple of Time, then the GSI and the original Temple were raised, and the current, dilapidated Temple of Time was built in its place, to be a place to worship the Goddesses. Ancient Hyruleans might have even had a firsthand account of the kingdom of myth in the Great Deku Tree, if this is the same one from OoT and Wind Waker, which is very likely given the continued existence of the Koroks and how his roots reach all the way down to the Depths
OMG CONGRATS BANUUNE YOU DID IT!! ❤
Thanks to a lot of help ❤❤
........I'm going to go watch your Elden Ring video now. It's Strata.
@@Zenith8896 Cool profile pic Bass.exe from Megaman battle network.
@@darkdagger5237 Thank you so much! Bass.EXE is always brooding.
Girl yes. 🙌🏻 I am glad somebody out here saw and put together the Skyward Sword HEAVY connection.
The only thing else I would have shot into your video was that the OG temple that descended from Skyloft “The Forgotten Temple” that you meet Impa in in TOTK was the very exact same down to what I think is the goddess statue that Zelda pushes Link off of to make him use his sailcloth in Skyward Sword.
Thank you! It was a lot of work and my first video. And I'm really happy how it turned out, but I could have explained more, as some pleople seem to not get the full theory here, as I missed explain some points.
I was planning to make another timeline video where I go more into detai about it, but then I played Elden Ring and got invested.. and then the DLC is comming soon, which will also take up a lot of brain capacity, lol. And after that Arcane is comming, and I want to talk about that too. Sooo.. I don't know WHEN this is comming, but it will one day.. ):
Sorry to dissapint you. ):
BUT IT WILL COME! looking forward to see you in the comments in my future videos ^^
Very well done, I was blown away by the quality! I'm glad I could be a part of this gem. 😁
Thank you! And thank you for helping (;
Very well-done video. I like how this theory properly explains how Sonia can still be a "Hyrulean woman" ("from a Hyrulean family line" in Japanese) without there being a "refounding", if she was a descendant of those who remained on the Surface. Also, I appreciate your more holistic and open approach to developing and discussing theories, it is something the Zelda community tends to lack.
P.S. You are not alone in calling her "Zeldra" and if not for making the plotline very, very obvious, I wish they called her that. Even some name would be better than just "Light Dragon" when all the others have names… Zeldra would definitely be the Light Dragon's name by the standards of the other three in Japanese.
Refounding is the only theory that doesn't destroy the lore: retconning OoT Ganondorf being the first, Hyrule Castle having never been damaged until BoTW, The Gerudo ears, The Rito, and many other contradictions.
@@Luxembourgish No re-founding theory does break the timeline. A fourth timeline however doesn't if the branch is before the forging of the master sword. This would be followed by a delayed founding of Hyrule.
There is to many contradictions that needs to be retcon to put Rauru´s Hyrule where you put it like,
The races at Rauru's founding
That the races was united before the unification war
The Gerudo ears
The castle that was built over where Ganondorf was sealed
That they don't know about the Tri-force or the Master sword.
Hey. So, in the prologue of Skyward sword it is said that the races lived under Hylias guidance. And that there was peace. We also see them together next to Hylia, which tells me, that the races lived together or acted together when Hylia was still present. The mogma also say that once those below and above the surface once lived together.
Also no problem of the races being united.
Specific races being present is not a problem. We see zora and rito coexisting in botw and totk. And we also see in twilight princess hd, that the rito were also present. Plus you have to consider that Nintendo would never, just for the sake of cutscenes and so, make new models for the sages in the past. I mean the goron sage doesn't even have a face. You can imagine how much effort was put into the races and sages from the past... same with the gerudo. The gerudo we see behind Ganondorf are reused assets. So they just re-used the normal gerudo woman, altered it a bit and that's it. So I don't give to much thought onto them. But Ganondorf having rounded ears is more significant, as he a "new model".
And I don't get the augment of castle. Sure the castle was built after Ganon was sealed. And we see a castle in minish cap, why can't it be the same castle? Who tells me, after we see so many temples in skyward sword, there is no castle?
Plus, them not knowing about the triforce and Master sword is exactly my argument, as between the past and present of skyward sword the triforce is hidden in the sky (while we see rauru being on the ground) and the master sword is still the goddess sword. That's why they don't know about the master sword...
@@Banuune The Zora had not evolved before Skyward sword we see the race that evolved into the Zora in Skyward sword that being the Parella and with no Zora no Rito.
All Gerudo before before Botw, Totk and Totk past have rounded ears but in Totk past they have pointy ears which proves that Totk past can´t be before Ocarina of time.
The castle that is built over the seal if it takes any damage will weaken the seal and release Ganondorf.
If Rauru´s Hyrule is where you think then he would know about the Tri-force because of the war between Hylia and Demise showed to the world that the Tri-force existed.
We don't know for 100% that there were no zora. Or rito. We only see 3 regions in ss and we also know there is the gerudo fly. So gerudo was a thing. And I really do not take any gerudo except for Ganondorf as granted. They are just re-used arrests with few minor changes. Ganondorf is the only one that was built from the ground up and he HAS rounded ears.
I thought about it much, but except for the races thing, I can't figure out how it would fit otherwise.
My problem is:
How do you explain that the architecture ,from the temple of time for example, went from Hylian, to zonai, back to Hylian. Why would you go back to previous architecture if you could improve.
And it is said the great plateau is the birthplace of Hyrule and Taurus founded his kingdom there. All those details left me believing, it had to be the beginning!
@@Banuune The Gerudo didn't have a king after the one in Totk past which is stated in CaC page 401 which contradicts your theory and the First Hyrule was founded by Skyward sword Zelda's descendants.
It's stated it happens after this:
"The only person standing in the way of his machinations was a young man with the soul of the hero who wielded the Master Sword", which is ocarina of time. So, as you know, in my theory Ganondorf in total came first, then time passed, another Ganondorf came and that when the gerudo said "you know what? Let's not do this anymore. There is a reason we only allow women". So from this point on -> no gerudo king
Loved the video!!! Can’t wait to see more 😊 the music kept me in the mood and was a nice touch, very eery. Keep it up, let’s usher in this new age of Zelda content 🎉 - Anthony
A very good theory, but there’s one massive problem that throws a wrench in this entire theory….you know him, you hate him! Ganondorf
Ganondorf cannot exist before Demise’s defeat, because he only exists as a result of the events of Skyward Sword, Zelda and Link choose to settle on the ground only after the oh so famous curse of “I will rise again. Those like you... Those who share the blood of the goddess and the spirit of the hero... They are eternally bound to this curse. An incarnation of my hatred shall ever follow your kind, dooming them to wander a blood-soaked sea of darkness for all time!"
Ganondorf cannot be born unless there is a Zelda and Link in the world. The only exception is when the current Ganondorf doesn’t die , such as Twilight Princess Wind Waker and the original legend of Zelda and even then a reincarnation or rarely a blood descendent are usually queued up and ready when he does return. Even if you want to argue that fate itself pulled Zelda back in time to meet up with this ganondorf and fulfill the curse, it doesn’t fix it, as the same should have happened to link.
Hey. I never said Ganondorf first ;)
What I said in my video is:
Demise curdes link in the PAST of Skyward Sword and we mainly play in the PRESENT.
And I am simply placing TOTK's PAST inbetween those times.
Fi says: "this is a tale that you humans have passed down through COUNTLESS generations" and she is a very good in calculating things, so her not being able to say a specific number, says a lot. So a looooooooot of time has passed between the past and the present of Skyward sword. Plenty of time for TOTK's events to happen and be forgotten. But that's just a theory ;)
Oh and also: we know NOTHING from Ganondorf exept him being Gerudo. We see Koume and Kotake are young and already there. So isn't it possible that the sisters "re-created" totk's Ganondorf in OOT too? Like brainwashed the Gerudo Male the same way they did before. And maybe it's because of the other totk's Ganondorf being under Hyrule, that Ganon is always so focused on the Castle. Because in totk he only wants the stone from the Zonai and Darkness. And in every other game he wants the castle first, then darkness.
And that's why oot and totk are so similar event vise. Because they are both brainwashed and raised by the same people.
Hey, Banuune. You probably might have noticed me in the comment section in one of Moxie’s videos. I made the speculative exaggeration of how the ancient leviathans of Hyrule somehow were connected to the antagonists of Kirby Star Allies, the Three Mage Sisters. While I can honestly say that throughout my playthroughs of both Era of the Wilds titles, the leviathans and the events that brought their ultimate demise remained amongst the biggest mysteries that caught my attention. While sadly we were still left with no answers, I took the creative liberty of “filling in the gaps.” Ever since my “discovery”, I took deeper dives into both the leviathans’ existence and the backstory of the Mage Sisters. Strangely enough, the more I learn about the Mage Sisters, the more I keep on pointing them to Hyrule. The loose connections between Kirby and The Legend of Zelda have become a little too obvious that most people seem to have not noticed. For example, take a side-by-side look at Nauru’s 2D sprite model in Oracle of Ages to the appearance of Francisca. Don’t they look alike? Not to mention the calm, collected personality of Francisca, as well as her powers of ice and water. That spells Nayru, both oracle and goddess. Not enough? Let’s look at Flamberge. Fan artwork depict Flamberge unmasked and you notice right off the bat that she has a fang. While some could say she’s vampire-like, but let’s dive a little deeper. Batreaux. A friendly demon who wishes to be human. His wish is granted if the player obtains all Gratitude Crystals… sort of. Bottom line is that he too had fangs in his demon form, but human form or not, he is still that of demon origin. Now am I saying that Flamberge is possibly a descendant of Batreaux? Before I can answer that, you have to know Flamberge’s questionable personality… Flamberge is easily angered and short-tempered. She’s the polar opposite of Batreaux’s personality. So if I took that into consideration, who in Skyward Sword would fit the category of rude and short-tempered?… Groose. While it remains unknown if Batreaux eventually got a spouse after his human appearance, let alone Groose eventually gets paired with say… Peatrice for a possibility. Again, this is just speculation, but hear me out. If one is to look into a family tree, there comes a time when families eventually come together in each passing generation. Given Flamberge’s “demon” heritage, she could have possibly have been a descendant of Batreaux, but also given her short-tempered personality, she could also be a descendant of Groose. At some point, their respective families might have joined together. Possibly giving birth to Flamberge. As if that hasn’t been convincing enough, let’s now look at Zan Partizanne, the eldest of the Mage Sister trio. She has undying loyalty to Lord Hyness, the mages’ officiant. She’d follow him regardless of his insanity. Now bear in mind, “undying loyalty”… that’s more of a Sheikah trait. The Sheikah and Yiga have undying loyalty to their respective deities. The Sheikah to Hylia and the royalty of Hyrule, and the Yiga to Demon King Ganondorf and his manifested hatred and malice, Calamity Ganon. Zan Partizanne betters fits the description of undying loyalty no matter which end she would face. The tear in the Sheikah Eye represents the horrific things the Sheikah have done to keep the line of Hylia secure. The taiko drums in Zan’s ring-shaped contraption has tear-shaped symbols that resemble the tomoe, and that in turn resembles the Amber/Dusk relics in the Silent Realm, or the Zonai Secret Stones. Surprise or not in the latter point, given the Sheikah tech was inspired by the Zonai tech.
With all of this into consideration… did the Mage Sisters originate from Hyrule? Is Francisca a possible descendant of Goddess Nayru? Is Flamberge in the bloodline of both Batreaux and Groose? Was Zan a Sheikah? All three started out as normal girls until environmental disasters struck. When Hyness first found and saved them, it’s possible that the Sisters first assumed their Poe-like appearances from that point on. Bear in mind, all three of them were said to be orphans… And also bear in mind that they, like Hyness, fell into the influence of Void Termina, the mastermind of their misery. I also pointed out that the Dark Skeletons in the Depths might have been manifested reminders of that. If you look deeper, each of them are habitats of Gloom Spawns. Strangely enough, the Phantom Ganon encountered at the Gerudo Dark Skeleton is equipped with a spear. The others at the other Dark Skeletons carried swords. Gerudo, a land associated with lightning… Which of the Mages carries a spear and bears the power of lightning? Zan Partizanne.
As if that isn’t proof enough, in BOTW, near the remains of the Eldin leviathan, there are four rocks that form a circle. Strangely enough, this was no Korok puzzle. Stones can mark as a memorial or a grave of someone who died. Flamberge was caught in a blazing inferno when she was just inches away from death. Those rocks don’t appear in TOTK… If you exit the cave where the Hebra leviathan is located at the North Hebra Summit, you continue around looking at a snowfield until you notice an active Guardian stays still until approached. I’m willing to bet that was as far as Francisca went before she collapsed near-death. In TOTK, the Guardian is replaced with rubble from the sky islands with a Frost Gleeok guarding it nearby… In BOTW, at the Gerudo leviathan’s remains, you find the warm, cool, and electric safflinas. Now doesn’t that say something I’ve mentioning this whole time. In TOTK, if you completed the Regional phenomenon in the Gerudo Desert, you can exit the cave where the leviathans’ (counting the child) skeletons are located and the Lightning Temple is directly in front of you. It was obvious… The Lightning Temple was the towering structure Zan climbed to the top of… to “end it all… herself…” The roof of the Lightning Temple was where she attempted suicide… using the lightning to take her life… One by one, Lord Hyness arrived and granted the powers of the very elements that nearly took the girls, and took them as his own disciples.
What do you think? Isn’t it shocking? (No pun) Or do you think I might’ve spent too much time piecing together fan fiction?
I will need time to look into that one, as I know NOTHING about the Kirby universe, lol xD
Awesome video, I really like the style and pacing of this!
Yes. Rauru is just very, very stupid and dumb. Probably due to being an actual God and never having been challenged or faced harship before this in his life. Next question.
Yes. He is so brainless. He simply let his wife die.
This video has earned you another subscriber. You are a delight to listen to.
oh! here's another thing to lend to the "Sonia is sheikah" theory, at 15:50 you can see the sheikah eye motif with the triforce underneath somewhat mimicking the teardrop shape!
Yes! I think there were SOME people working on TOTK that actually loved their job. Some of them really tried. Most got crushed by Nintendo. Yet, if you notice the details from the people who put love in their work, I think a lot of things can be explained. But sadly all theories are just that. theories. Nintendo made it clear, that they had little to no intention connecting totk to the timeline fully.
But I'm still glad you liked it and that my ideas made you think ^^
Great video. Honestly this makes the most sense out of all the theories out there.
Didn't Urbosa say in BotW that since the Gerudo King who became the Calamity there hasn't been another Gerudo male? If that's true then it's not possible for TotK's past to be before any event involving Ganondorf or Ganon.
But who said that it was totks Ganondorf, that became the calamity?
And it is stated, that after "being defeated by a young man with the soul of the hero who wielded the master sword" the gerudo chose to abandon the idea of a king. So no more kings after that.
As we see no hero against Ganondorf in the past of totk, he has to come first. As this is clearly the Ganondorf from oot. (:
You're thinking of Creating a Champion, which states there has been no Gerudo male leaders since the male who became Calamity Ganon, and creating a champion was written from the perspective of BOTW only, and BOTW is adamant about Calamity Ganon being OOT Ganondorf.
@@stuffz1757there's a Four swords adventure ganondorf
Exceptionally well-made video. Kudos!
Such a great video, and it totally makes sense!
Thank you. I've thought about it a lot. And there are a few points that still don't make sense, but the majority of mysteries can be explained with this theory 😊
I think this theory makes so much sense! Great video 😃
The developers said that hyrule might have been destroyed and is now refunded by rauru. I could not belive that you missed that part.
No. They said it might have been re-founded. But not by whom.
If they planned all this out instead of making it up as they go why dont we see Zonai in other games? They only appear after Breath of the wild. All the Zonai ruins are absent from all the other games. Theres also Groose, heavily implied to be the founder of the Gerudo. This would need to be retconned. Then there is Ganondorfs ears. His ears are rounded like the Gerudo of OOT, which the Gerudo that follow him have pointed ears like the Gerudo of BOTW who got pointed ears from constant breeding with Hylians. This points to ToTk taking place after Skyward sword and the other 3D games.
Theres also the Zora to consider. There ARE Zora in the ToTK era as one of them is a sage. Specifically they are sea Zora, not river Zora but Zora didnt exist in the Skyward Sword Era.
You've put in more effort into the timeline than Nintendo has. They honestly just dont care about it. They just like making games without worrying about it and the more they do that the more the contradictions pile up.
Banune I will NEVER get tired of hearing your accent! Oh man I'm so thrilled to watch this video! Yo, it's me Strata Uchiha! 👋I'm going to sit back, relax, and enjoy this Zelda Lore video. ^0^
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thank you for making this! Listening to all the othe zelda tubers has been trying whe. This is petty much exactly what i think. All the " opposing facts" are easily explained.
Thank you. I've been working on a new timeline video, which will still probably take while. But it will explain this theory in more detail. I really tried to make sense of what nintendo gave us and this is the ONLY way i can see it making sense ^^
and again thank you fpr the nice comment ^^
I mean its possible that the original founding from skyward swords history was lost at some point, after all thats exactly what has happened both in totk and irl for us with indigenous people like the mayans or other groups of people like roanoke. Things just get lost without explanation, and the original founding couldve fallen through which led to totk's founding becoming known by the people as hyrules actual founding since its more in recent memory and its history is more intact than skyward swords history
I don't see it, but yeah.
We must not forget that this is a game. And they rememberd stuff that was 10.000 Years ago.
We Humans made fire with sticks just 500 years ago. And look at us now.
In BotW it is said that the sheika had this technology 10.000 years ago, so where did they advance?
Nowhere. So we can not compare OUR world to the world of Zelda. Also BotW Zelda mentions the past Heros, which she shouldn't, if the History was lost entirely. And in TP Shad tells us a "race closer to the gods than hylians founden Hyrule". So people knew about that. They just forgot what they looked like, as Zelda mentions in TotK at the murals.
So if rauru founded his hyrule after all the other Games, than HE should know about the Zelda's and Link's from those games, as Zelda LATER in botw remembers them.
Ok?
Ok.
This is a pretty solid idea!! Great video :) Although I do find it a little goofy that it means there was a second Ganondorf sealed underground during all the other games lol
I really like your theory. It makes a lot of sense to me. Great video.
Thank you ^_^
Wow! This was an amazing collaboration between Zelda CZcamsrs. You did an amazing job in putting this insightful video together! I like how you conveyed yourself through Luna! Thank you Banuune for inviting us into your world! Thank you everyone else who helped her on this amazing journey! #Zeldathelightdragon
Hey. Thank you for your kind words ^^
I think that instead this takes place in an alternate version where Demise was defeated and taken forward in time. The defeat of Demise causes a dragonbreak and allows a different Hyrule to be founded. This one, however, is founded by the Zonai and Hylians with Hylia being alive but no longer present in the human world. She perhaps withdrew after ensuring she had her own decedents with Sonia being one, thus her time power. That or she just granted Sonia that power instead, maybe as a gift for the founding of the kingdom. Now with Rauru, it could be that he believed what Zelda warned him about but did nothing out of concern that it could disrupt the timeline severely. It might be that he didn't want to change the course of history so he allowed things to play out how they would. Honestly, I think that would be for the best as the changing of history is something nobody can predict the effects of.
I thought so too. but Nintendo said: "No extra Split! It fits!"
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So i tried it that way.
@@Banuune I've never heard anything about them saying that, though I am out of the loop on interviews. And honestly, it makes more sense to me than the end of the timeline. But what about the idea that Rauru didn't do anything on purpose? That fits regardless of the timeline issues.
(I haven't finished watching the entire video yet so I will be editing this to add on)
I just realized the sigual* (I'm probably spelling that wrong) that forms when the imprisoned is, well, re-imprissoned. I definitely noticed it before and I'm sure everyone else has but I only now tried to really look at it. Of course, as a magical sigual* it probably helps hold down the imprisoned but I feel like there is more to be seen in the pattern of it (which changes every resealing, its possible it changes to a stronger one) and the pattern done with the sword. The spike has a contant flow of the white-ish sacred energy or force untill its put back, which is when the energy eminates outward to form the sigual. But the thing I find odd is that, instead of constantly glowing with sacred force, it turn black as though instantly corrupted (or to feed the force down into the ground for it to properly seal). Also why does the imprisoned still have the spike on its head, I mean we do know why but, do we really. Wouldn't he want to get rid of it as quickly as possible. And why would he want to destroy the sealed temple, (the more I type this out the more questions I have pop into my head) outside of getting rid of the gate of time of course. If the temple of time was built above the sealed temple, then wheres the giant goddess statue?, (not the one in the forgotten temple, that ones too small to be the same). Why did the gate of time even disappear at the end of the game?
I'm definitely going to look into this myself but I whanted to bring some attention to it because of how odd it seems to me.
[Edit]- I forgot to mention this before but the sigual is also there in the past, which makes sense.
[Edit2]- Nevermind I don't have anything more to add, amazing video though!
Its spelled sigil for future reference. The Imprisoned needs to destroy the temple to break the seal on it as the temple is part of the seal.
I actually made the connection to Skyward Sword as well but you made some great points that help explain it a lot better. Most notably how the auto build ability would explain that there are a few ruins of structures that had to be built normally but then the rest just disapeared when the structures were moved / damaged because they were built with auto build. One thing I noticed was the robots in Skyward Sword that only work when we used time shift stones. We don't get to see the actual era they were built in so there is a potential hint to the Zonai who seemed to come out of nowhere. Technology as advanced as those robots is rare in the Zelda series and it always felt weird to me that we saw those robots at the begining of the timeline. But if we have the highly advanced Zonai race that could have built them and then died out before any of the other games then that could explain it.
Hope this video gets even more traction than it already has.
Thank you ^^
I tried super hard to make this theory work bc i really like it. (I made different timeline splits and everything, but to no avail.)
8:22-8:26 is just factually untrue. If you look at the ending of SS, Link is said to have "eradicated" Demise the same way he is said to have "eradicated" Demise by wishing on the Tri-force.
If Link "eradicates" Demise in the Past, why/how does Link go on his journey to "eradicate" Demise/the Imprisioned by wishing upon the Tri-force thousands of years after Rauru's Hyrule and Imprisoning war with Ganondorf?
(Demise/the Imprisoned would've long been "eradicated" by the time SS Link comes along, according to your theory.)
Nice point! But I do have an explanation for this. But I'll keep it for the next video. Will take me a while but keep an eye open ;)
Yeah, we wish it was that simple but there are rito and zora's at the time of Totk's past and not SS.
Just re-used assets. Nothing to think about xD
@Banuune Are you talking about lore or the game itself? lol
The Sages from the Past ^^ xD
i liked your theorie, would make more sense and since nintendo will not do anything to help us understand their weird totk timeline this is much appreciated :D
This theroy only seems to work if you ingore the the important parts of the lore. Like wilds castle being over the seal of of ganondorf meaning every time the castle gets destory that should free ganondorf. The curse of desmise which is supposed to explian why hyrule keeps getting attacked by ganondorf and other evil. Why were gerudo kings after totk ganondorf there were they either exiled or killed so there would not be another ganondorf never in botw has their been a gerudo king after ganondorf but their were males. I saw a comment down below where you and a person arguing using creating a champion/master works a secondary source the reason their quote works is because it is supported by a primary source one of urbosas' lines creating a champion/master works was created before TOTK was in development meaning creating a champion/master works would not take tears of kingdom into account your quote because creating a champion is published sometime after breath of the wild is published>Tears of Kingdom is in development either 2021 or 2022 I forgot.
I missed a spelled theory my wording could be better but I think you get the point of what I'm trying to say your theory is a contradiction to not only tears of kingdom lore but also zelda lore in general.
But when was it said that the castle got destroyed? Or the Pillar holding him down? Yes Ganon often Corrupted the Castle, but he never DESTROYED it. I cant think of any destroyed castle in Zelda.. Just corrupted ones.
Also who said that it was totks Ganondorf, that became the calamity?
And it is stated, that after "being defeated by a young man with the soul of the hero who wielded the master sword" the gerudo chose to abandon the idea of a king. So no more kings after that.
As we see no hero against Ganondorf in the past of totk, he has to come first. As this is clearly the Ganondorf from oot. (:
DID YOU NOT WATCH ANY OF ZELDA'S MEMERORY CUTSCENES. WHY IS IT THAT CALAMITY GANON APPEARS OVER HYRULE CASTLE AND NOT ANYWHERE ELSE. IT BECAUSE AFTER RAURU SEALED GANONDORF THE HYLIANS BULIT HYRULE CASTLE OVER SEAL IN FACT THERE IS STONE IN GAME THAT TELLS THE PLAYER THAT EXACT THING. ZELDA MEMERORY CUTSCENES ARE SHOWING THE ORIGIN OF CALAMITY GANON AND THE ZONAI RUINS. AFTER RAURU DEATH THE HYLIANS BUILT THE CASTLE OVER THE SEAL. And I quote "Deep beneath this land, our mighty first ruler rauru imprisoned the Demon King. To ensure the king's magic would hold we erected a castle here to protect this scared site. WITHOUT THE CASTLE IN PLACE, THE SITE MAY BE DISTURBED, ALLOWING THE DEMON KING'S RAGE AND HATERED (i.e. malice, gloom,and calamity ganon) TO BE REVIVED. THE PRESERVATION OF THIS CASTLE IS THERFORE TIED TO THE PROSPERITY OF THIS KINGDOM. May it watch over an eternal peace.- entrance to the royal hidden passage. As Raurus seal weakend(because no seal in this series ever stays intact unless its divine) the rage and hatred of Ganondorf seeped out allowing for beings like calamity Ganon form. Calamity Ganon is just a gigantic phantom Ganon even calamity Ganon and phantom Ganon have the same color. Tears of Kingdom was meant to be like skyward sword an origin story showing the birth of calamity Ganon and the "founding" in quotes of the kingdom of hyrule.
Also why would Ganondorf recognize this link and zelda. Because he fought this zelda and rauru told him about link " Years from now, someone will appear with the sword the seals the darkness. A swordsman with the power to defeat you-Link" Rauru the "first" King of Hyrule to Ganondorf.
This was a suprisingly solid theory!
Excellent narration!
Yo where'd you go? Keep making more videos! This was great and the thank yous at the end were so cute.
Thank you. I'm new to the whole editing game so it takes me a while to prepare everyting, make the script and video and all. But I'm working on it! ^^
@@Banuune Happy to hear it! You're v talented and smart.
Thank you ^^
Wait am I dumb, or am I missing something. How could there be two master swords? You said, that after the past of skyward sword, the past of totk took place. It was there where Zelda recieved the broken master sword, only to seal it and give it enough light power over 100000 years. However, when skyward sword takes place, we (or link) create the master sword. That means, if I understood your theory correctly, there should be a broken master sword up in the sky AND a master sword down on the surface. 😅
To be honest (if I'm not wrong) that makes no sense 😅
However, great video! 😁
Exactly. There are 2 master swords present in all times. It must be. As we know we find a master sword in botw but another sword is still with Zelda flying around. It's the time from totk where the sword is being sent back and being drawn again from Zelda that it goes back to being just one sword.
Thanks for the shout out! You're Awesome.
As moxie says: "Giving credit where Credit is due" ^_^
While I'm a post windwaker placement guy myself, it does make sense that some were left on the surface, and makes sense if this theory is correct or not, because the Hylians are the chosen by the goddess whilst there are/were regular round eared humans too who would seemingly be those who were not ascended
It's even stated in the prologue that the subhumans stayed back. And we know that the Sheika have pointed ears. That why I thought maybe Sonia is a half Sheika (that would also explain her darker skin)
@@Banuune see my first thought about Sonia was she was half Zonai, given her skin tone, proportions & larger ears but depending on the events placement yeah the other half would likely be proto-shiekah/shiekah or Hylian
I love your editing
10:39 Sheesh!!! Ganondorf looks super creepy on these hieroglyphs.💀
Idk, from where we stand, I still fail to see how Hyrule was “refounded”. Gossip Geist made an interesting video that the Era of the Wilds bear absolutely no connection with the overarching timeline and instead is a timeline unto itself, a separate reality. I agree with him.
Timeline convergence?
Restarting the timeline?
Refounding and absolutely no memory at all of the original founding?
Remind me again why these are supposedly the case?
Well, you know what they say. “If you can’t beat Nintendo’s lack of care… JOIN ’EM!”
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I have to read the other comment with more time but i can answere this one :)
I agree, that a new split, probably during SS time, would make the MOST sense.
My theory is more what i came up with while acknowledging the Interview where Nintedno said "no new break- It fits into the existing timeline".
That made me think how to fit it in.
Rauru doesn't know about the Master Sword, Zelda, Link or anything. Yet demise's curse is already presnet.
The only time in the timeline where non of it was a thing yet the curse being present, was inbetween the past and present of skyward sword. In the past of SS Link fights demise, where he is cursed. The master sword is already a thing here, yet being kept a secret as time travel brought it here.
REMEMBER THAT AT THIS TIME THE GODDESS SWORD IS STILL IN THE SKY!
Keep that fact in mind and watch the video again, lol, then you maybe understand what I'm saying a bit better. But as I said: yes, a split would be the best option! I agree. But if we try to make sense of it in the existing timeline, yeah, I think my theory makes the most sense. ^^
So Tears of the Kingdom's (past) events were before Skyward Sword hm? It makes perfect sense. It would explain why King Rauru has no knowledge of common Zelda facts. These major events haven't happened yet. Very great job Banune.
Bro, it’s completely imposible for this to be true, it only takes some seconds to see the many contradiction everything makes. Rauru does not know common zelda facts bc all the info is lost thanks to the past of time, it’s that simple
19:17 did you just say "zeldra" LOL that's pretty good
Yep xD
Same as Dragondorf (:
Better than "light dragon" xD
I remember this game’s story gave me such a headache, thanks for explaining the lore without an hour long explanation or something
😂😂😂 as this was my first video I wanted to keep informative but short.
Glad you like it ^_^
Theory ≠ lore
I feel in my gut that there is a connection between the thunder dragon from Skyward sword and all ghe region's technology with the zonai!
I liked the video!
There are even connections to things that you wouldn't even suspect.. but keep an eye open for the next video (will take a while) where you will see what I mean ;)
Also: THANK YOU! ^_^
May your journey be filled with joy, happiness, and success, and may you find fulfillment in all that you do
Thank you very much. Participated. ^_^
Interesting. This just might work!
I wonder though, how is it that Ganondorf is sealed by Rauru, and then years later, is reincarnated again in Ocarina of Time? (And later in Four Swords Adventures, if that counts) Additionally, from the Creating a Champion book, it’s stated that there was once a single Gerudo male born every 100 years, but that stopped happening long ago, implying that because TotK Ganondorf is sealed away, and not killed, then no more Gerudo Males can be born until he dies. How would that work out?
Because the hatred of Demise and also t
Koume and kotake still existed. The gerudo probably didn't want a man as their leader but the twins brainwashed everybody and made the people that this male HAS to become king, so the next reincarnation would have an "easy start".
Koume and kotake are probably also the reason why the gerudo "forgot" that there was a ganondorf in their history of kings already and that this one brought bad shit to the world. At least 350 years have passed between those events and oot. And maybe the then born gerudo male, was not suitable enough for demise and that's why it chose for example vaati instead for his plans but still failed. Lol.
I see you guys wanting an update on the timeline with more details. It's coming! I promise! But I don't know when.
@@Banuune So, it IS possible for Gerudo males to be born, even with one (TotK Ganondorf) still alive? What happened to stop them from being born in the BotW era?
Looking forward to new videos!
@@LG-iy5mw yes. At least I would say so. I don't think that gerudo man are all born WITH the malice of demise. but due to the power he learned from koume and kotake demise chose him as a vessel. And I don't think that they are in charge of every gerudo male. Just the one they can get their hands on
Cheers to your channel and great video! So I stumbled across this right after watching a Zeltik timeline summary published earlier today that is nowhere near as thorough as this. That being said I'm going to repost what I wrote there because I think you'll get a lot more from it here because your summary is the closest I've seen to my understanding and I'd be grateful for your thoughts as I'm likely going to produce a video on it as I haven't seen these takeaways elsewhere.
Edit: The following is copied and pasted as a response to another video so ignore some of the direct comments on the timeline video it was responding to.
I really respect the logic and effort that has gone into this timeline summary but IMO it's obvious the writers are showing us how The Legends of Zelda began.
BOTW/TOTK Zelda is the first person in history to be known as Zelda. If Rauru and Sonia were re founding Hyrule after generations of Princess Zeldas in the past they would recognize the significance of her name. Yet the name means nothing to them, they just understand her importance by virtue of the secret stone she has and the innate connections they feel with her. It's clear that the tradition of naming princesses of Hyrule was inspired by the sage of time who became..... wait for it.....
The goddess Hylia aka the Light Dragon.
All the dragons have names and the Light Dragon created and dispersed the cloud barrier to protect and reveal the sky islands which is why she would be known to the skylians (see what I did there) as their goddess protector Hylia. Skyward sword Zelda (Descendant of Rauru & Sonia's child raised and hidden by the royal chamberlain) is the first Zelda to return to the land of Hyrule and whose descendants began living in Hyrule Castle after centuries of it just being a place that the sheikah maintained as a seal for TOTK Ganondorf. Demise is just the manifestation of Ganondorf that placed the curse on blood of goddess & spirit of hero ensuring that his future incarnations would hunt their legacy with prejudice hopefully ensuring his full resurrection.
Furthermore, this timeline completely ignores the evolution of the creation stories of Hyrule, the golden goddesses were the first Zonai who terraformed the Earth and created a paradise for themselves. They eventually consumed their secret stones to prevent them from being wielded by the interloper tribe. These interlopers were just bad faith Zonai, creators of Majora's Mask. Rauru sealed this tribe during the imprisoning war into the Twilight realm where they eventually became the Twili. Zant's outfit is clearly a variation of the depths armor and these interlopers clearly used "Dark Magic" akin to the dark clumps. These interlopers were likely the creators of the bargaining statues & those whose societal role was to escort the poes to the beyond. Majora's mask was likely formed out of abusing this process, yet not sealed with them to prune their power or ability to escape their imprisonment.
This left Rauru & Mineru as the last Zonai of earth and with no choice but to integrate themselves into Hylian culture if they ever wanted to be remembered or have a legacy. Besides the Ganondorf's that are explicitly stated as the same, Oot and TP, all other Ganondorf's are named such because a male is only born to the gerudo every hundred years or so. It's very likely they would have a tradition of naming this destined to be King of the Gerudo Ganondorf, just as princesses are named Zelda and Heroes are named Link.
Lastly, Rauru and Sonia's child was likely the first person known as Hylia and the one to begin the tradition of naming their daughter Zelda out of respect for the sage of time who made the ultimate sacrifice to protect the future of her parent's kingdom and ensure Zelda's existence in the future. This Hylia was known as a goddess by virtue of her unique Zonai Appearance and shared blood of the Light Dragon, whose transformation was witnessed by the remaining sages and constructs right after she stored Mineru's Poe in the Purah Pad to guide Link in the future after her mortal injury in the battle with Ganondorf. The first Hero to protect the seal of Ganondorf towards the end of the imprisoning war (which lasted hundreds of years and includes Zonai Civil interloper War and TOTK Ganondorf's Imprisoning) is the first Hero Known to history and direct descendent of Hylia whom inherited a variation of Zonai features seen in the Hero's Aspect.
/End Transmission.
Thank you for the nice words. Will read it all when I get home ^_^
If there were surviving hylians after skyloft was in the sky then we would have seen them in the surface of skyward sword. I highly doubt they were just out somewhere that we didn't go to we kind of explored most of the "primitive" Hyrule. Plus I'm also pretty sure there were at least one or two heroes before hylia reincarnated into a mortal
Why do you think there were heroes before SS Link?
Its actually very simple, Something had happened with Hyrule and the royal family that they lost there traditions and a lot of their history. So by the time Rauru and Sonia came around there had not been a royal family for some time. So Rauru and Sonia are the founders of this era's Hyrule, they are not the first ever and this timeline does not go after Skyward sword and its not another timeline split. I dont understand how this concept is so hard for the Zelda community to grasp. The Zelda team even said in an interview that its possible over time that a lot of Hyrules history got lost by the time Ruaru showed up. It literally took me and my wife like 5 minutes to put that together lol Good video and all but its not all that complicated.
It is, if you take into account that the architecture in ALL Zelda Games was always kinda the Same. This Roman-esque style. And we see the Royal family still having this architechture in botw/totk. How do you explain them going from roman- to greek- back to roman again. Wouldn't make sense in my opnion. Only if the Greek stuff dissapeared and you only know about and see roman, than you would just improve that but not change it entirely.
True, I just think that whatever happened to the land destroyed so much of the civilization and they just didnt or couldnt rebuild in the same way. Then so much time has past that by the time Ruaru came around its likely that the people were more like a tribe instead of a kingdom like before. So they still worshiped Hylia since Sonia was some kind of priestess with the Triforce tattood on her and Rauru brought his style of architecture to the land. Then after they left maybe they were now able to go back to there roots with the castle being built over Ganons sealed body and then using the name Zelda once again. Idk its still confusing a little bit but i know that NIntendo isnt trying to make another timeline or anything. I think its simpler then were making it out to be.
@@Banuune
@@Banuunethe greek-esque (which looks more like a mix of azteca and it’s own thing) arquitecture is probably not from the hylians but more from the zonai, as the zonai descended and them being much more powerful than the hylians, they probably influenced their culture with their own once they founded this kingdom of Hyrule, once the zonai went extinct, the hylians probably would have been inspired by their old arquitecture and embraced it in a kinda nationalistic independent way, so, as the majority of zonai arquitecture was sent to the sky, the hylians began to built in their own style again
5 minutes is a passing glance. And the small details do matter have you ever noticed how the Master sword after being fully restored still has an energy capacity problem? This means that its a fundamental flaw in the original forging of the sword it means that Zelda in Skyward sword never blessed the Master sword and an alternative method of empowering the sword was used. Thus timeline split.
The Zelda timeline rlly is complicated huh
How tf do i understand it. Was alot of info that stuck with me
Just awesome... you left me speachless. I buy it. You surely have done your homework.
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Thank you so much!! Yes I researched this very well, as it is my head canon 😂
There is a problem with this theory: as we know that the fates of Zelda, Link and Ganondorf are connected since the very beginning, why is there an incarnation of Ganondorf at Rauru‘s time, but none of Link and Zelda. Even if we assume that Sonia is the Zelda of her time, where is Link?
Maybe rauru is the hero of that time?
What about Ganondorf? He is supposed to be reincarnation of Demise or I guess original demon king that was resurrected as Demise (I guess), but he was sealed for time skysword took place. Demise curse is the origin of reincarnation cycle, so Ganondorf should be born AND die after the curse.
I don't see problem with races tho cz it's not that important and they can retcon it :/
Where I place the game is in-between the events we see and play in SS. So at the time of rauru, demises curse was established, as he was sealed in the past.
My biggest issue would be the castle itself, because on the slate at the end of the royal esacape passageway in totk, it reads it was build specifically to seal the Demon King from totk's past. So 1- If the castle was built just after the raising of the zonai landmarks, why isn't there in Skyward Sword? and 2- If the Demon King was sealed below the castle in totk's past, with the seal broken only in totk's present, at the very end of the timeline, how can Skyward Sword's Demise be the same Demon King?
Impossible, you completely disregard the fact that Ganondorf is supposed to be a reincarnation of Demise but in your version Ganondorf lives before the curse is even cast. Also it means the existence of multiple Ganondorf at the same time because of mummy Ganondorf being there for the entire story which I don’t believe.
No it is not! The curse was placed by demise in the past and not in the present of skyward sword (ghirahim kidnapped Zelda and went through the gate. There link killed him and the curse was placed.. In the past!
He came from space.
Yes
I definitely think tears takes place before skyward sword. The mining facility and the hylian crest we find in the desert are all ancient already. Theres a whole kingdom that gets glossed over
Solid theory, I can't see anything wrong with it
The best explanation I've seen is that the past of TotK is so far in the future, that past Hyrule kingdoms became myths and legends. So technically Rauru wasn't lying or breaking the timeline when he said they founded Hyrule. We're talking about 100k years after Zelda 2.
It's implied in BotW that the Calamity that happened 10k years prior wasn't the first Calamity
IIIIIIdon't see that. I don't see how the Royal family was able to keep track of 95% of thei history throughout the entire timeline, loose it completly, and then gain it back out of a sudden.
Rauru has never heard about a Zelda, never heard someone else claiming being from hyrule as they JUST FOUNDED IT, never heard of a Link ever before who played the fucking biggest part in their history, and never heard about the master sword until Zelda told him. THE ONLY TIME where non of those where ever a thing was during the Time between the events of Skyward Swords Past and Presnet. As Zelda and Link weren't born yet, the Goddess Sword was still in the Sky and wasn't turned into the master sword yet, the Triforce is the Symbol of hylia and the Temple of Time which is still on the ground during this time, so the Triforce is something Rauru knew about obviously. And as Demise playced the curse on Link in the PAST, Demises curse is already present during the PRESENT of the game. It's a loop.
So aply that to totk. you will see, that i could be right here.
It would also not break the timeline. I thought about that hard but wasn't able to fully explain my thoughts in the video.
I'm working on some Elden Ring stuff currently and it will take some time but I PROMISE I will make another timeline video and maybe there I'll be able to fully explain what I mean and why I think I could be right here
Hope to see you there! While you wait, check out Elden Ring if you haven't already.
It's like Zelda for adults. Me and @moxiewatts are constanly working on videos about it so you might want to check it out too :)
@Banuune I figured it would kinda be like our current history. We only know that which was written down and has survived throughout the years. We know very little or nothing past a few thousand years. Not saying I believe this, but there could have been thousands of years of notable history that was lost to time and/or world destroying events.
So it's very plausible that the entire series was so far in the past that nothing had made it to the present
But then why does Botw Zelda mention the hero of twilight, the hero of the wind and so on? Why do the Zora tablets mention Ruto from oot? There is so much of the history that WAS passed down and was never forgotten. So Rauru being in the middle of it and not knowing SHIT would be insulting to him, lol.
But if nothing of the timeline has happend yet, than it would make sense why he doesn't know shit.
So my issue with this theory personally (loved the video by the way) is Ganondorf. It is pretty much known he is the same person through most all the games except fourswords gannon. His first appearance was in OOT. So is this a second gannondorf?
Yes, it is. Or the oot Ganondorf was resurrected somehow by koume and kotake, as we see them being present, but young, in totk. And maybe they are even older in oot than 400, but they either forgot how old they really are OR, as they are women, they made themselves younger than they are. Like women say they are 29 when they are actually 40 xD
edit: found this intreaging and would like to see more did have a few isuses:
Origonal: First there is an ocarina of time conflict with ganondorf and our currant breath of the wild ganondorf as no one in ocarina of time seemed to recognize ganondorf witch if the events happed the way you said would have been treated a bit more as a threat by the king of that hyrule as this event had already happed. Second, the currant game or both breath of the wild and tears of the kingdom is at the official end of all currant time lines. Would you be proposing that only the currant time is at the end of all these timelines? I find that a bit difficult to believe. Third, there is currently another theory out about it being a refounding of hyrule with no prior knowledge of the past hyrule as said hyrule was completly decimated to the point that not even the stories up until that point survied. Frankly we are dealing with such large amounts of time that it's difficult to make anything definitive. Still you make some strong points and if the ganondorf reemergence and the end of the time line thing get cleared up I might be more on bord. I personally think that we have at this point seen three differing individual ganondorfs rise to be demon kings at this point. OTT, the latest four swords, and now tears of the kingdom. Incase it wasn't clear to anyone else reading this is lost. Four sword is practically confirmed to be a separate individual from the past ganon's. Also it should be noted that ganons come from ganondorfs and there for there has to be a ganondorf that proceeds them and there for there has to be an event that cause the shift and if that isn't address correctly can cause time travial issues. Also the real world reason being game play comes first story second could mean they did it because it made a grate game but not a great story if that makes any sense.
I always thought that botw and totk are just the reboot of the franchise for a new generation. But. The more I think of this theory…. The more it begins to make sense. Still leaves unanswered questions. But. Makes sense nonetheless
Thank you. Glad I was able to open new ways to see it. ^^
@@Banuune you should do a video about the heroes aspect. Once you complete 152 shrines you get amour that resembles the hero from the tapestry. Because I don’t know who’s man that is lol.
@@magau3698 and you think I do? 😂
There is a video from a different Creator, will link it later here, where she explains who this figure could be, and it could even fit into my theory. You have to check it out.
Give me a sec.
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@@Banuune😂 Fair enough.
Been curious and I will watch the video. Thankyou very much for sharing… and I failed to say you are welcome in previous comment!!
Ok but... where do you put BOTW and TOTK (present) ?
And how do you explain all the references of the other games (which I think are canon) in these two games ?
Hm..good question. Probably a time convergence happened due to Sheikah doing crazy shit with time manipulation. And then the timelines merged and now everything is canon.
I do have a pretty nice, but crackpot theory about the Sheikah figuring out time. But I'll keep it for a later video ;)
Your voice is so soothing❤
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ARTICULATING THE EXACT SHIT I'VE BEEN SAYING! There were so many things I was missing looking over all of it and you really covered all necessary ground here. Kudos~
thank you ^^ i gave my best
This actually make more sense
Thank you. Already working on the next one. I get more into the details about the timeline "Theory"
It’s simple imposible for this to be true, firstly it has no sense how totk and botw hyrules are geographically the same, it’s imposible that the land has changed through the millenniums just to take the same form like one million years laters; plus the whole thing about how the rito existed during skyward sword. But spetially, if we assume Gerudos existed before the foundation of Hyrule which is super strange but it could hapen, how is it possible that Ganondorf carries the demise’s curse BEFORE demise sets the curse on the blood of the princess and the soul of the hero?, but even disregarding those details, it has no sense how the literal Ganons seal exists underground and absolutely no one has discovered throughout all the franchise, the same with the secret stones, it’s imposible that the temples in which they were sealed have stayed unaffected by time, the wind temple is straigh up wood, wood can’t last more than 10 years, now imagine one million years or so, not to mention that there is literally no evidence of the ancient presence of the zonai in any prebotw zelda. Totk has to happen after Spirit Tracks/four swords adventure/Zelda 2, there is no other way.
My theory is that there is a missing part of the timeline a missing part of Zelda history that happened in between SS and OOT and that missing part of the timeline is the story is where TOTK should fit in
And it would make lots of sense because right after the events of Skyward Sword happened after the first Zelda and Link settled onto the surface had their child together and raised a happy family that child was Sonia after 20 years maybe 30 she became a priestess and then met Rauru those two fell in love and together they created the kingdom of Hyrule
But then why does nobody recognize the name Zelda or Link? And the master sword?
@@Banuune maybe since the goddess decided to live the rest of her life as a mortal I think that maybe her parents died at such a young age so young that she wasn’t at the age where she could remember anything at all and if you also remember at the end of Skyward Sword the Triforce and the master sword was hidden away from the world of man in the hopes that no one will find the sword or the Triforce so there was a part in the timeline where nobody had any knowledge about the existence of the Triforce and the master sword all they knew was that there was goddess and these beings that had god like power the zonai
@@probenfetchak8076 that is to much maybe for me, sorry xD
@@Banuune no you good
My only question is how does the fact that ganondorf is Demise's reincarnation, since ganon and the reincarnation of linka and zelda as well are a product of his curse, which could only happen if Link had already defeated demise, so the ganon in ToTK wouldn't be able to exist no?
Link DOES Kill Demise in the past. So at the point where i place totk's past, he already placed the curse. SS past - Totk Past - SS Present. ;)
@@Banuune OHHH ok makes sense
Thank you so much! I liked this video a lot. First I though "this is another dum theory" but then I watched the first 2 minutes and I was hooked. I dint like too much totk, the gamplay, the bosses and the plot are very lazy... and they ruined the story with their crasy Idea about how the divine beast and all the sheika tech were gone. And whith the story of the zonai I got very confused and I wanst interested. But thanks to your video I feel more satisfied. I hope they explain more about the zonai in future games, and also the sheika tech.
Thank you
This is very well done and yet you only have this small amount of subscribers? That should change soon now that this video has popped into everyone’s recommendations;
thanks to the algorithm, I am now a new sub to your channel. Looking forward to see what you’ll upload next
Thank you ♥
I’m subscribing right now before you become popular. Remember me when your sub count goes quadruple digits
i absolutely love this take on the timeline!
SS>BotW>TotK are all linked, no other game in the series is relevant because this is specifically a project from fujibayashi, who like the idea of discovering a video game's story like an archeologist. I look forward to future games where we see how a Nintendo series built from the ground up to have continuity will look.
So denying the whole franchise ever happened?
No, sorry, I do not agree to that. This does not fit into my understanding of the whole whole history of hyrule. Even Zelda in BotW acknowledges the other heroes! So, no. No denial!
@@Banuune Denial? The only denial is of the phillips games. I think you guys look waaaay too into easter eggs and references because by your own theory how the heck are all those outfits and Zelda's speech meant to add up without the "dragon break" hypothesis?
The fact of the matter is, you CANNOT use a game bible constructed by multiple people over multiple decades who did not deeply consider continuity, or if they did, failed to relay that to the script writers, and come out with a game that neatly ties it all together. In order to create a cohesive overarching narrative you have to begin with the end in mind, you cannot wing it.
That means that if you are correct (which I think you might be) skyward sword introduced a clean break from the previous timelines that allows the zelda team to start fresh to build a more cohesive lore. The irony is that with all the lorecrafters angry about ss botw and totk "destroying" the lore they dont seem to notice that fujibayashi seems intent on actually giving them what they want, they just need to give him time to cook it up.
I've been saying this for what feels like ages! I'll send you a link to what I put together, on Discord.
Zeldra is metal.
I think everybody's wanted something to be up in arms about and don't care to see the numerous ways this could fit in the timelines. It's the /legend/ of Zelda after all, nothing should be set in stone fact.
I was a supporter of the "merged timeline" but nintendo said:
"No! No merging! And no splitting! It has always been that way!"
So I tried to figure out "how"
My problem with this theory is that, at some point between the ancient past & TotK, Ganondorf reincarnated at least once: Calamity Ganon. How can he do that if he was sealed? Or are you implying that Demise's original form was Ganandorf?
Yeah, time travel sucks, but not for the reasons you mentioned. It's a terrible literary device because it fųcks with causality, the very basis of storytelling. With time travel, you can have effect before cause, eliminating a character's agency. For instance, we can't go back in time & unalive a tiny moustached dictator because to do so will eliminate the reason to go back & do the deed. We'd be stuck in a double causal time-loop of going back & not going back until chaos theory gives us an unintended stable loop.
Ganondorf from oot HAS to be the last one, as "the last Ganondorf" was killed by "the soul of the hero welding the master sword". Rauru did not have the master sword. So there must be one after the one in totk. And having a seal does not mean you can't come back. It's just harder.
@@Banuune but . . . Ganonforf didn't die. He was sealed, body & soul. That means he should still be there, pinned by Rauru's arm, when Demise, Calamity Ganon, & OoT were born.
@@IamMeHere2See so? Where is the problem? We know from Zelda 2 that it is possible to have 2 Zeldas. So where is the problem with 2 Ganondorfs?
@@Banuune Oh, ow. I didn't expect there to be problems with the cycle of reincarnation going back so so early in the franchise.
@@IamMeHere2See yeah. There is enough information, to prove my point. I was planning to make a video about the pros and cons of my theory but as I write everything down, the cons turn into pros xD
Your theory sounds possible
Thank you. I really tried to explain the events, why rauru is stupid AF and how it fits (:
I love this theory and it does help explain a lot of TotK/BotW story questions (like Urbosa saying Calamity Ganon once "took the form" of a Gerudo rather than just *being* a Gerudo in TotK). But I think the strongest evidence against it is Ocarina of Time's events: The adult timeline has Ganondorf destroy Hyrule Castle entirely and create his own castle nearby. It's well established that Hyrule Castle needs to remain standing to protect Ganondorf's seal so it stays undisturbed, so this placement would have a plot hole left by OoT.
TOTK and BOTW timeline only really work if they are placed at the end of all other Zeldas. So the BOTW Hyrule is a new Hyrule distinct ftom all other Hyrules. This is the last Ganon reincarnation
Otherwise we have multiple Ganons existing at the same time everytime, which would be really dumb.
I haven't argued about that. The time we are playing in in botw totk is in the future. Clearly. But I'm trying to fit it's past somewhere
@@Banuune the past of TOTK is the future of all other Zelda's. IE: The past in TOTK is only the past to BOTW. It is not the past of any other Zelda. The timeline placement for TOTK/BOTW, including the past, is post every other Zelda.
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So tears of the kingdom and skyward sword are actually intersecting?
In my opinoin, yes.
It's not an unreasonable placement, it's just that nothing you say in the video demonstrates why ToK's past should happen in the middle of SS, as opposed to say, soon after it. It's not unreasonable that the names "Link" "Zelda" and "Master Sword" are not remembered as legendary after SS because most humans are clueless about the events of SS as they are happening. Ganondorf also doesn't exist yet.
Why is it better to put the Zonai and ToK Ganondorf in the middle of SS (while Demise is still alive but sealed, mind you) than to just treat ToK as the actual, one-and-only founding of Hyrule?
Demise is not alive. He was killed by link in the past ^^
And yes. Humans are clueless about the distant past. But The Hylian Royal Family is said to keep all the secrets of the Land. They know it all. But Rauru doesn't. Why? Because Zelda, Link and the Sword weren't a thing yet!
@@Banuune In later ages, yes, the Royal Family is said to know a lot (probably via the Sheikah). But Rauru and Sonia never claim to know everything about the world's history, and it is believable that Impa would have kept knowledge of SS hidden from the world.
Demise was killed by Link in the past, but what of the Imprisoned in the SS present? What is your interpretation of the timeline shenanigans in SS?
Great video Banuune. I'd love to talk to you on the side about aspects of it. Very good editing on your part too!
Yeah no problem. Call me in discord ^_^
rarau's never heard about zelda because she lived over 10'000 years after him duh
xD
Yeah. But people are saying that he "refounded" hyrule. But we know of 139817239 Zeldas in the series and most of them were pretty important to the Plot . I'ts even a law at one point to call al princesses Zelda. Soo.. he should know then.. but he doesn't.. which brings me back to my theory xD