Journalist Annie Jacobsen: Biometrics and the Surveillance State
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- Journalist Annie Jacobsen is well known for her best sellers The Pentagon's Brain, Area 51 and Operation Paperclip. In her latest book, First Platoon, she investigates "warfare, good and evil in the age of biometrics, the technology that would allow the government to identify anyone, anywhere, at any time." Come for a discussion about the Pentagon's abilities to utilize iris scans, fingerprint scans, voice patterning, detection by odor, gait, and more to track human patterns, as well as the ethical questions raised by what Ms. Jacobsen calls "a burgeoning surveillance state."
This is a story that starts off close and goes very big. The initial part of the story might sound familiar at first: It is about a platoon of mostly 19-year-old boys sent to Afghanistan, and an experience that ends abruptly in catastrophe. Their part of the story folds into the next: Inexorably linked to those soldiers and never comprehensively reported before is the U.S. Department of Defense’s quest to build the world’s most powerful biometrics database, with the power to identify, monitor, catalogue, and police people all over the world.
Based on hundreds of formerly classified documents, FOIA requests, and exclusive interviews, First Platoon is an investigative exposé by a master chronicler of government secrets. Jacobsen reveals a post-9/11 Pentagon whose identification machines have grown more capable than the humans who must make sense of them. She says it's a Pentagon so powerful it can cover up its own internal mistakes in pursuit of endless wars; and people are at its mercy, in the last moments before a fundamental change so complete it might be impossible to take back.
Annie Jacobsen is the author of the Pulitzer Prize-finalist in history The Pentagon’s Brain, the New York Times bestsellers Area 51 and Operation Paperclip, and other books. She was a contributing editor at the Los Angeles Times Magazine. A graduate of Princeton University, she lives in Los Angeles with her husband and two sons.
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JANUARY 21, 2021
SPEAKERS
Annie Jacobsen
Journalist; Former Contributing Editor, Los Angeles Times Magazine; Author, First Platoon
In Conversation with Max Brooks
Writer; Fellow, the Atlantic Council’s Brent Scowcroft Center for Strategy and Security and the Modern War Institute at West Point; Author, World War Z
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It appears that Annie Jacobsen is indeed a true journalist, intent on reporting the facts to increase our understanding. How I wish we had more real journalists today, whose objective is to inform and not propagate a narrative. Well done on choice of guest and interviewer, Commonwealth Club.
You write the exact same comment everywhere 😂
She’s one of a very suppressed but desperately needed, true journalist and investigative reporter! Very perceptive & insightful when we need CLARITY more than ever!
MAX BROOKS is just awful. But Annie's research is extremely important and interesting, so I suffered through.
Mel Brooks's son
Spot on.
I always find Mrs. Jacobsen's interviews enthralling.
@David B. III yep
@David B. III Not to mention that hypnotic, sensuous voice . . .
Needs to lose the glasses. That particular pair.
She is just the BEST - I was watching a clip of the interview w Joe Rogan i've listened to multiple times already - I searched just her, yhis came up, here I am.... Shes got a sexy voice too
@David B. III ...*allyoopDave*theTruthIsWhatIs&whatIsKeepsChange-ing&us?wellWe'reAllJustCreaturesOfHabit*$heCan'tRevealEverythingAtOnce*...
This Max guy is a bootlicker. Any time she points out the US military’s naive/nefarious schemes, he deflects to justify it. Btw Max, I don’t remember being asked if I was cool with giving up any of my rights to privacy for the sake of “the greater good.” The greater good is about cooperating with other nations and among our neighbors, not spying on and killing them. Love Annie Jacobsen’s very important work though! Everyone needs to learn about this. Thank you for sharing.
@jm gee i think her voice is perfect, shes also a wonderful, truthful reporter and investigator, but her voice just slays me.
It is sexy...id follow her anywhere.
Yeah i don't know him, but from this interview i do not like him at all.
You're right.
My first time hearing him also. My hackles went up big time when he ignorantly stated that the January 6th "right wingers" were domestic terrorists. Annie is as great a journalist as ever!
*the INSURRECTION is being committed by the US FED GOV. which has been compromised by Communist CHINA.*
This author has such a great array of important topics that I find fascinating. Thank you for your wonderful curiosity. We need more like her.
Annie is an amazing journalist, taking on my favourite subjects. Her voice is also soothing which makes delivery of the crazy facts easier to digest
I so agree, I saw one of her interviews started with operation paper clip..I was so hooked now this is my third one watching her interviews..she's amazing!
I think her voice is similar to Terry Gross of NPR - very smooth and pleasant delivery...
I have read two of Annie's books now and i think she is an awesome author on subjects that are controversial to report
I wish she narrated audio books.
@@michaelscott5653 she has a couple books on CZcams that she actually reads,Area 51 and operation paper clip and she’s got a fantastic reading voice
Omg this interviewer is quite literally a creep. Totally ruins this interview.
I came here to listen to Annie. Never heard if this Max dude, but he sure is one pompous snot nose kid who has a lot to learn. He, not the military, needs to get off his high horse. Thanks Annie for an intelligent interview.
nah
Max has an ethnic perspective.
Get ‘em!
Why is max an issue? Did I miss something?
@@mulvay2008 Ie marxist
I volunteered for the "BAT" course before deployment to iraq in 07 with 1bn/2d Marines. Thought it was amazing how much info I could log in, change, for any individual in the entire theater. Blood type, locations, known associates/relatives, etc. Little handheld guy that (if already logged by another unit) would pop up anything and everything about an individual through an iris scan, blood test, facial recog, etc.
The "BAT" just stood for biometric automated toolset. Came in something about the size of a pistol case.
Jacobsen always informs in her excellent presentations.
Annie and Max are very likeable authors and speakers of truth.
Thank you.
Loved her since her area 51 book, her intelligence and that voice man. That voice is something else
Im so glad its not just me...i have been listening to her for years and what a sexy voice....
She should do spoken word books, id buy them all.
It sounds like a 2 to three pack a day habit
@@edwhite7475 pfft...🤣 😸 🤡
Max - I don't see anything wrong with building a biometric database of the US. HE'S SUCH A TOOL
Ok, BOT.
Sure it's fine I mean the US government doesn't do anything wrong, except everything. Where do these people live?
I think it's more that building it without permission or oversight that's worrying people more!
My grandfather was a US Army Air Force counter intelligence officer in the 1940s & 50s, stationed in Tuscon, Arizona. He was part of "Operation Paperclip", where they moved German scientists to the US after the war and started the US space program & NASA.
He was also part a small team that recovered space craft and extraterrestrial beings, both deceased and alive. He kept military documents of these events. There have been many more events than just the one crash that most people now know about.
After he was killed while working on a related case, my mother kept the documents. I found them in her files in 1987. And despite the multitude of warnings of fines and imprisonment stamped on the envelope, I read them, took them to my high school and showed my classmates. I was only 16 years old at the time and didn't fully understand the impact of what I'd come across. This was before we had the internet and before people had heard about the incident at Roswell, NM (It was actually in Corona, NM & a second crash site at Horse Mesa, NM, discovered in 1949).
My grandfather had been involved in many covert activities during the war and after, what we now call "special access projects". He had informed my mom that ETs existed. He had trained her in remote viewing from a very early age, after realizing she had strong innate abilities.
My mother still has much of the original documents that my grandfather had obtained. And she has worked directly with Senator Pell and his aide, US Navy Commander Scott Jones, who was a member of DARPA & part of "The Aviary", a secret US government group that would to discuss crash sites and extraterrestrial events.
Extraterrestrial life forms do indeed exist and are here on our planet. And the US government has been lying to people about it because they don't want the technologies they are receiving to be available to the general public. It would disrupt all major industries. Especially the oil industry. They have zero point, clean unlimited energy available but won't release it because fossil fuels, coal would be obsolete. No one would pay for electricity, gas, etc. They are protecting the industries and the "elite", not the people. This is wrong on so many levels. But the truth is coming out.
You are so so lucky to have read them! I feel that if I read them so many of my questions would be answered by the truth. Did he ever say what form the ETs take to live amongst us? Are they human like? I do believe area 51 could solve the world's questions and conspiracies.
I enjoyed your info. I've only been awake for 16 months and don't know how you've handled it for so long! With corona, birth certificate truths, immunizations, Bible, fermament , CIA, sex trafficking, the federal reserve, big farma, 911 and nasa I've been torn and twisted! I can ONLY pray the sheep find out the truth and soon!
How are you not in trouble at 16 for bringing the documents at school?
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So big brother is going to know what we're going to do before we do it now? I loved Annie Jacobsen on the Joe Rogan Experience, but this shit is creepy
Anyone who has been a target of mean spirited gossip, or who has irritated a person with more political power, knows that biometrics in a database can be abused.
Since it is quasi-legal in many places to go through a person's trash, fingerprints or DNA (e.g. strands of hair) can be obtained without warrants being served, subject/suspect awareness, or consent.
Regardless of your current political bent, imagine if the political party you don't like inherits these tools, methods, and databases and begins to leverage them against groups that you like or are sympathetic too. Some technology and tools are too powerful to keep only in the hands of the "good guys" forever....
Global warming and cooling is caused by the 240,000 year rotation of the galactic bulge with grand solar maximums occurring at perihelion and grand solar minimums at aphelion changing every 60,000 years. We are currently at event 201,(000) of the 240k rotation of the galactic bulge.
But the real inconvenient truth about the galactic Milankovitch cycles causing our climate cycles is teh Precession of the 7 north stars because every 12,000 years our solar system passes thru the galaxies double torus electromagnetic gravitational center causing the END TIMES with EMP plasma burst and Z pinching Pillars of EM fire if you will, Oort cloud comet impacts and east to west tsunami mud flood Noah's floods if you will.
It's a cycle and grade 5 science could debunk co2 caused climate cycles. cause and effect, closed loop and energy is neither created nor destroyed. On this planet. All energy in this galaxy comes from and or returns to the galactic Nucleus/Bulge.
Covid like CO2 is a comfortable LIE built upon an inconvenient truth.
The Baby Boomers who were born en mass 76 years ago are starting to die en mass from the usual suspects of seasonal FLu which leads to Pneumonia and old age.
The MASK of the BEAST to Buy or Sell is a pretext for the heavy metal vacc + 5G FINAL SOLUTION depopulation before the conjunction of the planets causes cataclysms.
It takes 10 years to develop a vacc IF and only IF you can isolate the virus. Which they can't because it is the Seasonal Flu and Baby Boom turning into Seniors Bust.
Jesus loved all races because there is only one race the HUMAN race with only one minority the INDIVIDUAL human.
Don't let yourselves be divided & conquered along race creed and religious lines.
I saw it happen in three genocides perpetrated by the MATRIX Stream Media.
Thank you.
Anyone who understands human nature and the acquisition of power understands how it can be abused.
*I live to annoy them. Its one of my few pleasures these days. Call it a hobby.*
We need Edward Snowden! To shine the light on the truth!! Before humanity is crushed! God save us!
Hs already did. Man did he try, and not many listened or even know his name. Man should be a house hold name, at the very least pardoned. Good gracious
Amazing people on your program right now. Annie you're the best stay safe.
Max supports Liz Cheney, a war machine, who feeds the Military Industrial Complex. Max is an ideologue
Not really sure max brooks is qualified to talk about anything but zombie survival
This is just what we know .. What really scares me is the technology we no nothing about that’s being used on us.
The beast system
.. has arrived.
People like Max need a real job to work with real Americans. He is clearly confused to who he is. Bill Maur too.
They must be fraternal twins.
Atlantic Council is all I need to know about Mr. Max
Where is the DNA info going ghat is being collected from Covid tests? Could the idea of the Covid test be a mass DNA collection scheme?
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Yes.
@@derek8282 they are not legitimate.
I realy love the stories Annie tells us. And the information she provides. Also I realy respect the fact that she comes on as a narrator of facts, and leave the opinions and judgement to the reader or the one listening. She gives you the story, the questions and set you to think for yourself to answer these. I watched this just now, february 2022. In Holland and Europe there is an upcoming debate about digital identity, pushed by the EU. And this makes me only more cautious about my privacy.
Databases created from cell phone fingerprint scanners, iris scanners, facial recognition tech, heart rate monitoring from smart watches
Jacobsen is excellent. Max Brooks dominated and made this almost unwatchable..
he is a big pile
Max Brooks of the Atlantic Council says everything I needed to know about his disposition.
I love her voice & just how she explains things is so soothing idk if that makes sense 🤣
Yes. Unintentional A.S.M.R.
Her voice gives me brain tingles.
Yeah...Marlboro gotta love her...I've yet to meet a female with such voice that doesn't polish off a couple packs a day..they may exist..just never met one.
Thumbs up for this lady thank you so much
She is an encyclopedia of knowledge and I soak it up like a sponge. Thank u.
Max Brooks sounds concerned but is so lost in his PARTY pride.
Annie Much Love & Respect!
Annie thank You For All Your work . Love your glasses And your voice is never forgotten ❤
All of this candid discussion about a subject that is already in practice without any real protocol or procedural measures to prevent abuse of power...how do I know this so well? I'm walking in those exact shoes day in and day out. I've intuitively examined and observed this harassing torment and targeting for at least three years plus, thus far paying close attention to details, patterns, reactions, responses, etc. There's no other logical explanation for what I am subject to and what I go through as a target or victim of this extraordinary method of scrutinization, punishment and torture.
Yes, same here man, it started in 2019 for me and it's completely ruined my life
@@TellMyEnemysMySoulStrong Sorry to hear that brotha. It is surely debilitating. I live with a heavy layer of black cloud over me. It's sad and miserable. It's starting to take its toll.
what are you all talking about
Yes me too. And the FBI does not respond to complaints or phone calls. Someone put me on a list when I was TARGETTED by a foreign hacker and I have been harassed for 2+ years ever since.
Annie is amazing
So Ms. Jacobsen is killing it again. Too bad that this Max person has some talking points "validate me agenda." It was such a missed opportunity, there were so many obvious questions that were missed.
You gotta know they want to detect who has brain chemistry making them trusting ... (oxytocin). And how to adjust people’s trust level
Her voice is so calming.
With this story and biometrics do you think that apple and the government work together to get our facial features with how we unlock our phones and store them for future purposes?
Welcome to Medical tyranny. Bet you never thought for a million years you'd see the day Amerika became a Fascist country. And they said it could never happen here. Great job Annie, your books are awesome.
The media mostly is a propaganda machine ,political correctness = no freedom of speech, school system is a socialist tool ie just look at what's coming out of the university's.
Well, we in the west have volunteered for population reduction through medical means-birth control,sterilization and 50,000,000 through “therapeutic “ abortion.
That is another way they have been collecting data.
America has been fascist since 1913 when Big Daddy Prescott Bush helped sneak in the Coup of the Federal Reserve and illegal Income Tax. It only got worse and worse after that. This " country " was built on murder, rape, theft, slavery and that was only on our shores. Then... Manifest Destiny. Our Karma is going to be Brutal!
@@drewblack749 good. Glad we have
Thank you Annie for warning us about the Biological weapons of 10 variants in 2020.
Allan.
Okay, I just got the part when Max Brooks claims that “there are clearly valuable arguments to be made on both sides” at 1300. How about this… Max, we "do not" have our DNA subjected to anyone unless ordered by a court of law, and actually charged for crime under a rule of law! And "not" do this incase someone may commit a crime…That's the dumbest argument!!!
Has Max Brooks ever heard of Antifa?
Max: this stuff might be okay if it helps decrease racism.
Our society is peak stupid.
What's racism got to do with it?
36:50 "...bombs...domestic terrorism...and now the right seems to be doing it." Uhh...please name an instance to support that throw away line.
In 2018-9, when "attempting" to impeach a president, the U.S. congress reminded us that taking private $ or doing ANY favors for personal gain while in public office was 100% an illegal conflict of interest. Not one person in the U.S.A. or indeed on the planet (aside from myself that I'm aware of) will ever dare state that simple, obvious fact.
But if someone speaks ill of Mommy and Daddy-Government in any way, well then even throw-away lines are used to imply they have faults. Right at this moment, Mitch McConnell is continuing to protect capitalism from those filthy Heroic First Responders from gaining access to needed health care goinf on twenty years now.
Not a peep from the American public. But oh, what _she said_ about Daddy....
LawRule ~
BOTH the rule of 'Law'
AND the law of 'Rule'
🙏
After reading her books and listening to her on numerous shows and pod casts I would love to meet Annie and just sit and speak with her.
Why do I immediately find this "Max" smarmy.... makes me doubt this Commonwealth club intentions... though I fondly remember them on radio in Bay Area, so many years ago...
all of these 'foundations' and organizations are New World Order
She is exceptional!!!!
THEY HAVE BEEN DOING IT COVERTLY FOR A LOOONG TIME FROM THESE DNA TEST KITS TO SMART PHONES, WATCHES, ETC. IT'S COVERT CONSCENT. I AM JUST SO DISTURBED BY THE IGNORANCE OF THE GENERAL POPULATION.
Thanks
Im in love in Ms Jabobsen voice. Amazing
Love Her.. and Her Work,
Passion,and Knowledge
of Why she Does.investigative
Journelist....Since The First Time I Hear Her, Giving a Lecture From One of Her Books Late 2000's or Early
2010's.👉🏽 The Operation Paper Clip Book, is One Of The Best Writing About The Subject. And Very Well Researched.... Looking Forward For Her New Book
Project..✍🏽
Benny Moret. Why is every word in your comment capitalized?
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Max believes he can ride two horses at one TIME.
Thank you annie great job very clear and professional
Max, CDC whistle-blower gave info about autism/vaccine links to rep. Bill Posey who made a speech on the floor of the house in 2016, offering anyone a copy who wants it.
Yep, soon as mr max made that comment, I was done listening to him yap. Surprised it took that long. Good cop, bad cop scenario. They always have to use 2 opposing sides, all controlled opposition. I commend her patience to sit n do a full vid with such liars and idiots.
You're damn right I got "Surprise, Kill, Vanish" on audiobook
Her voice and intelligence make her so appealing and she is usually someone I just wouldn’t consider my type
Needed to know that. 🤡
Both these people are thoughtful and knowledgeable. Especially Annie Jacobson, of course - this is her field of expertise. And both of them come across as real human beings. John Zipperer was a good moderator. Have saved this discussion so, hopefully, will get back to it. Need to take some notes. Sending good vibes to all fellow citizens concerned about mere citizens' vulnerability to a super-high tech government who is able to track us moment by moment. As recently as when I was young, it was not this way. In my Grandmother's day, people might never have to carry any ID with them. Some people had no idea of the exact date (or even year) of their birth. And they got along ok. We have traded a LOT for the benefits of Modern society.
Bravo, Ms. Jacobsen
37:20
Except that the tech hasn’t stopped any of those people mentioned.
Also about creating a better future for us all; I did hear on a video today called: Alice Waters: We Are What We Eat, and she had an idea for schools. She went to Berkeley in the early sixties and has this great idea about 45 minutes into that video. I hope you search for this video title and hear the idea. I think we should do her school/food idea! Check it out and I bet you’ll agree! She is very smart for an old lady! She is my hero for coming up with an idea like that for sure! for sure! I just had to share as this idea is a really good one! We should do it! College students don’t need food insecurities when they are trying to learn. None of the kids should have that! Love what you guys are doing too! Good job! Annie you are my hero too!!! FYI!
Sounds like precrime
Sounds like guilty by association, maybe even a very tenuous six degrees of Kevin Bacon type of association.....
If you watch how intertwined the entertainment industry is with floating future technology!
Shine Bright!
MWM
I'm just starting to listen to this and I chose to listen to it so don't jump on me for asking a question please. She "sounds like" Siri...did they possibly use her voice without her permission??? Just curious....
Having Veterans teach Civics is absolutely brilliant!!!! Start doing it!!! How do we start to implement this across the country???
Thank you Annie and a second thanks for Chromosome in March 2020 that ' DARPA ' made 10 variants of Covid19.
Allan.
I wanted to hear Annie, not Max Brooke asking her guestions....
Max is a bozo
It also brings up the subject of ownership. The AT&T case about our phone records being the property of the phone company, the mega databases of our on line activity that is data mined without our knowledge or consent (with the user agreements considered) is the property of the company who tracks us on the sly or the social media site we are using, brings the argument to the forefront of who owns our biometrics? We think we do but we also thought we owned our Apple Music library that we bought and paid for and stored on our MacBook, but Apple has proven that is a fallacy when they wiped out a users entire musical library not for some breach of contract on the users part but lease he was inadvertently caught up in someone else breach against Apple. Microsoft can wipe out your os if they chose to, if you install an app that competes with one of their apps or if you criticize the app online. We are headed toward not owning anything but "renting" it even thought we paid (or so we think) to purchase it at a purchase price upfront. Since the whole surveillance thing is about control/ownership of the entire fucking universe, who owns our biometrics is an upcoming fight. Which brings up the next train of questions. what happens when power that be (yes, singular) owns the universe? Then what?
2 years later, the AT&T story has finally come out.
i love annies voice!
Pleasant voice similar to Terry Gross of NPR....
BFD
Tech is running far faster than our ethics are. The last 4 years have shown how easily a fascist state can be put in place. When our lives can be mapped without our knowledge and as Snowden showed us the government has no intention of giving up the power its accrued. Secrecy does not serve the citizens now and FOIA needs to become universal with government information.
Will Storm. If by "the last four years" you refer to the Trump administration, could you show how it was fascist?
Well done , AJ.
“God has created man good but it’s man him self who seeks out many inventions “ words from king Solomon the wise. All this tech will not end well for us
Such a lovely lady with a gorgeous voice. I’m saddened that the topics are so ugly.
This is some high level shilling, holy shit!? Starting out, the subject scared me. As it progressed, the well delivered sales pitch is revealed. The truer horror proceeds. The only intent here is to further encourage our submission to the RULERS of LAW.The cheapness of of "hopefulness" is so cynical. Thoughts and Prayers for us, eh? Bleecccchhhh
She is awesome
23JAN2023 - I've been following Annie for years. As a professional editor and writer and former defense contractor, I totally appreciate her work and expertise. On a side note, I would listen to her read from a Bosnian phone book. Her voice is like BUTTAH!
She definitely investigates the most controversial things that we all had suspicions over.
Bravo Max! Right see through perception, right questions and observations!
He couldn't hide his leftist leanings in his questions. He was a terrible interviewer.
THANK U , ( ANNIE ) FOR OPENING OUR EYES 😎☠😳☠😎...💰💰💰💰💰
Dual loyalty is Max in a nut shell
Oxymoronic... isn't it? Dual loyalty means no loyalty.
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Talk about one of the people I'd love to sit and ask questions of all day long! 😁🙃❤️🩹🕊️
I believe this teaching should start in grammar school the first grade
I have been following Annie since 2017 as I hate computers.
Allan.
beautiful lady
SMART lady
Change Annie Jacobsen to David Icke or Alex Jones and you get conspiracy theorist not acclaimed author yet the content of the conversation is 99% the same
Interesting.
Max Brooks looks more like Steven Tyler of Aerosmith than Osama Bin Laden.
23:53 meanwhile, Snowden is still stranded in Russia and the gov has not agreed to give him a fair trial in public
So you guys would be against using biometrics or more intensive contact tracing to identify the unvaccinated correct??
They are bordering on authoritarian
Someone could get another person's dna on a tissue and plant it somewhere the person never went. Good luck defending yourself in that event.
Nine One One anybody...?
alibis still exist?
Gives a new slant to the idea you will own nothing and be happy.
the value of creating our own values will be undervalued to our determent imho
Which side, is our side?
Good morning,
Do you know anything about a politician who was about to give a speech on spiritual warfare and when he was beginning the speech he died
Thanks oppey. Now that made me crack up laughing nn agreeing as thoroughly as one thanks Oppenheimer. U had to blow it up? B4 u did with ir rubix cube wtf did u think trinity would do. Spot on that gift to humanity from ole oppey.
What about the war on drugs that need to be repealed
Shoshana Zuboff is another expert on surveillance.
Annie should play the DJ if they remake the movie the Warriors....
When you need too much control means you're out of control