Totally sustainable and available for every farmer! You just need hundreds of acres of trees, six months drying time, one million dollars worth of specialized equipment and that's all!
Install a green house to the south side of your shop. If your doors are on the south side, change them to transparent panels. You'll heat at night and cloudy days. If the shop has floor heat it will keep the greenhouse from freezing at night as long as you move some air. A farmer here did the transparent panels on the shop. It was incredible.
Why is the amount a problem if you can obtain it at an affordable price below oil and gas? For example, in Sweden they grow around 120 million forest cubic metres annually and only cut around 90 million cubic meters. 1.000 liters of oil costs 1.344 euro at international prices (EU), 1.000 kilograms of beech costs 172 euro. Oil produces 9.7 kilowatt hours per liter, beech produces 5.5 kilowatt hours per kilo, so the oil gives 75% more heat per liter but is also 685% more expensive.
Tree cutting/trimming companies dump thousands of tons of perfectly usable wood everyday, combine that with plants like bamboo, kudzu, and the aquatic invasives in florida it isnt a complete solution but that with methane capture could be used for surge power needs
@@eddiebarrera6159 yep sounds like a real good plan to me. spend over $250000 to save a small amount a year. hum wonder how long it takes to pay it's self back??
@@hartsfire5706 depends how close to that million btu output you need. A million BTU oil boiler is going to burn over 100 gallons a day. Thats a lot of money
@David Johnson Natural gas consists primarily of methane which is, over a 20 year timespan 84 times more potant than Co2, also natural gas takes a very long long long time to create, "It is formed when layers of decomposing plant and animal matter are exposed to intense heat and pressure under the surface of the Earth over millions of years" I of course dont know if you consider the timeline of million of years a viable natural timeline for renewable resources, not to forget the methane. Versus the renewable resources of for example hay, which you can harvest one to two times a year based on conditions, or cutting willow trees which can be done every three years according to some, even if you are in the lumber industry and you wait 20 - 40 years, or 3-5 years for flis that is thousands of times a shorter timeframe than natural gas. Wikipedia: Natural gas is a non-renewable hydrocarbon
Those HayBuster equipment are tough stuff to grind wood instead of just grasses. I've seen pellet stoves plug in the auger and shut them down. Would hate to have to clear out an auger in this system.
Why are there so much negative comments in this video? Also the fuel you guys say he used for, for example the tractor... like... Really? That is miniscule in the big picture, and he could switch it out for a bio fuel without modifying the engine a whole lot, again, miniscule investment in the big picture. 1. Why is the amount a problem if you can obtain it at an affordable price below oil and gas? For example, in Sweden they grow around 120 million cubic meters forest annually and only cut around 90 million cubic meters. 1.000 liters of heating oil costs 1.344 euro at international prices (EU), 1.000 kilograms of beech costs 172 euro. Oil produces 9.7 kilowatt hours per liter, beech produces 5.5 kilowatt hours per kilo, so the oil gives 75% more heat per liter but is also 685% more expensive. Swedens forest industry makes this Co2 negative by itself, not to mention all the Co2 that gets tied up for decades into beams for houses, flooring, furniture ect. 2. Natural gas consists primarily of methane which is, over a 20 year timespan 84 times more potant than Co2, also natural gas takes a very long long long time to create, "It is formed when layers of decomposing plant and animal matter are exposed to intense heat and pressure under the surface of the Earth over millions of years" I of course dont know if you consider the timeline of million of years a viable natural timeline for renewable resources, not to forget the methane. Versus the renewable resources of for example hay, which you can harvest one to two times a year based on conditions, or cutting willow trees which can be done every three years according to the video, even if you are in the lumber industry and you wait 20 - 40 years or 3-5 years for flis that is thousands of times a shorter timeframe than natural gas, oil or coal. Wikipedia: Natural gas is a non-renewable hydrocarbon Wikipedia: A non-renewable resource (also called a finite resource) is a natural resource that cannot be readily replaced by natural means at a quick enough pace to keep up with consumption. An example is carbon-based fossil fuel. The original organic matter, with the aid of heat and pressure, becomes a fuel such as oil or gas. 3. A farmer in the U.S made a transportable hay boiler (for himself) for heating hot water to heat two houses and dry his grain, i believe he said he got the boiler itself manuractured for $25.000 and the insulation he did himself. I believe it was $6.000 yearly in heating expenses he saved by doing this, so this can be done with a relatively small investment. 4. According to google, currently 14% of the worlds forests are FSC marked, which means there are not cut down more trees than the forest area can reproduce among other things that FSC covers.
because people are dumb and think it doesn't take any energy to produce diesel and/or natural gas. Jesus Christ the comments on this videos makes me sad about the human race.
How many 'extra' killowatts to run this boiler system compared to a much simpler Nat Gas boiler? How much cost for diesel fuel and tractor/ tub grinder maintenance? How many years for payback.......then the boiler needs to be rebuilt? Does not look less costly than NG in long run.
I agree. Also he said it took three to five years is anybody noticed that for the will arrange to come back . You have to have an awful lot of property with an awful lot of Willow rings on it to Be sustainable . People are trying to reinvent the wheel . Instead of spending their energy on what's important . Making things that last forever . So you don't have to keep reproducing them Over and over !
How much energy was used to make the tractor the Baylor the machine to make the grain bin to make this and all that and you're trying to make a smaller carbon footprint ???
That pronunciation of Viessmann (it's actually pronounced similar to piece) took me some serious searching now. Also they are from Germany, not Austria. Greetings from Austria.
@@JHorvathCinemaThat doesn't change the fact that ash is alkaline and will make the soil more alkaline and it depends on what you are growing. I'm just saying to be aware that ash will make your soil more alkaline than acidic. I think I did a good job of over explaining that. LOL
Why would you pick willows of all things....why not something abundant, cheap and gets burnt anyways, flax straw perhaps. It seems like this could possibly be marketed in a place like Quebec, where they have an abundance of willow.
Seems like natural gas would be much much less involved. 1 million btu per hour only costs around $4 per hour to burn natural gas. And that’s if the farm has no nat gas wells on the property! And payback on $280,000 equipment and hoppers ...plus $50/bale ...nat gas is way better off!
@@bobcreamier9854 I'd think if you're filling a 1000 bushel silo with chips it's probably 2-3 acres per year, on a 3 year cycle that's 6-9 acres of land + labour and gas for harvesting... Would be curious to see a full breakdown.
Probably went bankrupt because of the boiler, we had a very similar one by KOB and threw it out after only 3 years, replaced it with a 800 KW Uniconfort and are now running ok. Ours was used to heat our drying kilns and flooring factory.
@@SR-jx5jr Bad installs are far more frequent than a bad piece of machinery. I havent seen the Unicomfort units yet but I imagine that they are as bullet proof as the KÖB units.
You will be destroying bird nesting habitat if you do this at the wrong time of year. I would hope this slashing willow process is done in the fall after the birds have fledged. Because the willow grows near wetlands is why this habitat needs to be sourced with thought, not some Yahoo with a tractor cutting everything in sight down because it's "free".
Totally sustainable and available for every farmer! You just need hundreds of acres of trees, six months drying time, one million dollars worth of specialized equipment and that's all!
Install a green house to the south side of your shop. If your doors are on the south side, change them to transparent panels. You'll heat at night and cloudy days. If the shop has floor heat it will keep the greenhouse from freezing at night as long as you move some air. A farmer here did the transparent panels on the shop. It was incredible.
this all looks really good on paper till people find out just how much you need to really make this worth wile.
Why is the amount a problem if you can obtain it at an affordable price below oil and gas?
For example, in Sweden they grow around 120 million forest cubic metres annually and only cut around 90 million cubic meters. 1.000 liters of oil costs 1.344 euro at international prices (EU), 1.000 kilograms of beech costs 172 euro. Oil produces 9.7 kilowatt hours per liter, beech produces 5.5 kilowatt hours per kilo, so the oil gives 75% more heat per liter but is also 685% more expensive.
Tree cutting/trimming companies dump thousands of tons of perfectly usable wood everyday, combine that with plants like bamboo, kudzu, and the aquatic invasives in florida it isnt a complete solution but that with methane capture could be used for surge power needs
So I need a quarter million dollars to heat up my shop.Yea that sounds sustainable.🤭
@@eddiebarrera6159 yep sounds like a real good plan to me. spend over $250000 to save a small amount a year. hum wonder how long it takes to pay it's self back??
@@hartsfire5706 depends how close to that million btu output you need. A million BTU oil boiler is going to burn over 100 gallons a day. Thats a lot of money
an expensive system for Saskatchewan where there is an abundance of natural gas
The problem is that natural gas is not a reneable resource.
absolutely true, not to mention how much fuel the biobaler wastes when they could use crop-laying tech like is done with sugar cane in Alabama.
@David Johnson Natural gas consists primarily of methane which is, over a 20 year timespan 84 times more potant than Co2, also natural gas takes a very long long long time to create, "It is formed when layers of decomposing plant and animal matter are exposed to intense heat and pressure under the surface of the Earth over millions of years" I of course dont know if you consider the timeline of million of years a viable natural timeline for renewable resources, not to forget the methane.
Versus the renewable resources of for example hay, which you can harvest one to two times a year based on conditions, or cutting willow trees which can be done every three years according to some, even if you are in the lumber industry and you wait 20 - 40 years, or 3-5 years for flis that is thousands of times a shorter timeframe than natural gas.
Wikipedia: Natural gas is a non-renewable hydrocarbon
@@prjndigo Are you talking about biofuel?
Those HayBuster equipment are tough stuff to grind wood instead of just grasses. I've seen pellet stoves plug in the auger and shut them down. Would hate to have to clear out an auger in this system.
Why are there so much negative comments in this video? Also the fuel you guys say he used for, for example the tractor... like... Really? That is miniscule in the big picture, and he could switch it out for a bio fuel without modifying the engine a whole lot, again, miniscule investment in the big picture.
1. Why is the amount a problem if you can obtain it at an affordable price below oil and gas?
For example, in Sweden they grow around 120 million cubic meters forest annually and only cut around 90 million cubic meters. 1.000 liters of heating oil costs 1.344 euro at international prices (EU), 1.000 kilograms of beech costs 172 euro. Oil produces 9.7 kilowatt hours per liter, beech produces 5.5 kilowatt hours per kilo, so the oil gives 75% more heat per liter but is also 685% more expensive.
Swedens forest industry makes this Co2 negative by itself, not to mention all the Co2 that gets tied up for decades into beams for houses, flooring, furniture ect.
2. Natural gas consists primarily of methane which is, over a 20 year timespan 84 times more potant than Co2, also natural gas takes a very long long long time to create, "It is formed when layers of decomposing plant and animal matter are exposed to intense heat and pressure under the surface of the Earth over millions of years" I of course dont know if you consider the timeline of million of years a viable natural timeline for renewable resources, not to forget the methane.
Versus the renewable resources of for example hay, which you can harvest one to two times a year based on conditions, or cutting willow trees which can be done every three years according to the video, even if you are in the lumber industry and you wait 20 - 40 years or 3-5 years for flis that is thousands of times a shorter timeframe than natural gas, oil or coal.
Wikipedia: Natural gas is a non-renewable hydrocarbon
Wikipedia: A non-renewable resource (also called a finite resource) is a natural resource that cannot be readily replaced by natural means at a quick enough pace to keep up with consumption. An example is carbon-based fossil fuel. The original organic matter, with the aid of heat and pressure, becomes a fuel such as oil or gas.
3. A farmer in the U.S made a transportable hay boiler (for himself) for heating hot water to heat two houses and dry his grain, i believe he said he got the boiler itself manuractured for $25.000 and the insulation he did himself. I believe it was $6.000 yearly in heating expenses he saved by doing this, so this can be done with a relatively small investment.
4. According to google, currently 14% of the worlds forests are FSC marked, which means there are not cut down more trees than the forest area can reproduce among other things that FSC covers.
because people are dumb and think it doesn't take any energy to produce diesel and/or natural gas.
Jesus Christ the comments on this videos makes me sad about the human race.
Do your calculations include any taxes on heating oil, natural gas?
Because politicians can make anything expensive using taxes and fees.
Love it PFR, highlight of the workday to see a new report.
Crazy stupid money.
How much diesel to harvest, how much power to run the burner? Seems very counter productive!!
A lot of expensive equipment with big fancy burner a lot of time invested... diesel fuel burnt ... doesn’t look to green or efficient to me
Sure it was subsidized by ag Canada
Always love seeing this show. Hope you continue to post on CZcams. Thanks for all the great videos!
For $280.000 it should include the storage bin bale chopper dump trailer and at least one loader tractor.
Talk about price gouging 😮
Yeah but it’s “green energy “! The cost doesn’t matter! The efficiency doesn’t matter! Jam the whole rainforest in there!
what's happening with the channel? any new stuff?
I could be wrong, but don't willow rings benefit the wetlands and animals that live in them?
Bio char gives you two or three different fuels and it's already off-the-shelf available and much more economical then this setup.IMO
How many 'extra' killowatts to run this boiler system compared to a much simpler Nat Gas boiler? How much cost for diesel fuel and tractor/ tub grinder maintenance? How many years for payback.......then the boiler needs to be rebuilt? Does not look less costly than NG in long run.
I agree. Also he said it took three to five years is anybody noticed that for the will arrange to come back . You have to have an awful lot of property with an awful lot of Willow rings on it to Be sustainable . People are trying to reinvent the wheel . Instead of spending their energy on what's important . Making things that last forever . So you don't have to keep reproducing them Over and over !
How much energy was used to make the tractor the Baylor the machine to make the grain bin to make this and all that and you're trying to make a smaller carbon footprint ???
Natural gas isn't available in many areas you city dwelling asshat.
@@John-771 Oh but you have plenty that comes out both ends! You Gas Bag....LOL
@@funone8716 Leave the comedy to someone else. It was a poor start and an obvious ending. Either way am I wrong?
Requires a lot of fossil fuels to be green. 😂😂
I agree, seems like alot of processing for fuel. Would be interesting to do a cost analysis.
Mabey 20$ a bail
That pronunciation of Viessmann (it's actually pronounced similar to piece) took me some serious searching now. Also they are from Germany, not Austria. Greetings from Austria.
The KÖB boiler plant is made in ÖE.
We burn how much oil by the time you're willow burns
I can’t believe this
4:00 ash will make soil alkaline so you should check soil ph before incorporating ash into soil.
Potash is a regular part of most row crop fertilizer prescriptions
@@JHorvathCinemaThat doesn't change the fact that ash is alkaline and will make the soil more alkaline and it depends on what you are growing. I'm just saying to be aware that ash will make your soil more alkaline than acidic. I think I did a good job of over explaining that. LOL
@@kenfarley957 sorry, it seemed obvious to me given the context of the video, but you are correct.
Why would you pick willows of all things....why not something abundant, cheap and gets burnt anyways, flax straw perhaps. It seems like this could possibly be marketed in a place like Quebec, where they have an abundance of willow.
$280,000 . . .
WOW
With out tractor or bailer ect... hahahahah
not green. it takes power to make power.ie. tractor fuel, electricity , not any less expensive
Seems like natural gas would be much much less involved. 1 million btu per hour only costs around $4 per hour to burn natural gas. And that’s if the farm has no nat gas wells on the property! And payback on $280,000 equipment and hoppers ...plus $50/bale ...nat gas is way better off!
How do you dry the material prior to burning?? There would be too much moisture to burn efficiently. What is the drying process?
Air dry for a year. It stated that in the video. Just like regular firewood.
@@tylerdustin2008 i dont know where you hear 1 year from, in video he said it takes 6 months to air dry before burning 🔥
How many acres of willow does it need to self sustain?
Too many can you wait 3 years or so for your crop
@@bobcreamier9854 I'd think if you're filling a 1000 bushel silo with chips it's probably 2-3 acres per year, on a 3 year cycle that's 6-9 acres of land + labour and gas for harvesting... Would be curious to see a full breakdown.
I like the idea, but it doesn't seem like burning fossil fuels but just with extra steps
Why crush the bale instead of putting it directly in the boiler after it is packed by the biobaler?
Because they like to burn more diesel!
my guess, the auger that goes between the silo and burner can only handle inch x inch twigs and chips before it runs into problems.
You haven’t posted in a while what’s happening?
Probably went bankrupt because of the boiler, we had a very similar one by KOB and threw it out after only 3 years, replaced it with a 800 KW Uniconfort and are now running ok.
Ours was used to heat our drying kilns and flooring factory.
@@SR-jx5jr Bad installs are far more frequent than a bad piece of machinery. I havent seen the Unicomfort units yet but I imagine that they are as bullet proof as the KÖB units.
Could get it a lot cheaper from Poland.
Bailing trees ? That’s dumb !
There more like a grass than a tree
You will be destroying bird nesting habitat if you do this at the wrong time of year. I would hope this slashing willow process is done in the fall after the birds have fledged. Because the willow grows near wetlands is why this habitat needs to be sourced with thought, not some Yahoo with a tractor cutting everything in sight down because it's "free".
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