Polytonality
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- čas přidán 5. 09. 2024
- F# Major? C minor? Why not both?
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Classical Nerd is a weekly video series covering music history, theoretical concepts, and techniques, hosted by composer, pianist, and music history aficionado Thomas Little.
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- Thomas Little: Dance! #2 in E minor, Op. 1 No. 2, performed by Rachel Fellows, Michael King, and Bruce Tippette
- Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart: A Musical Joke, K522. IV “Presto,” performed by the Philharmonia Orchestra and conducted by Guido Cantelli
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I wish you used musical examples with sheet music after mentioning pieces, but otherwise this is pretty good!
Playing some examples would have been appreciated.
I love your humor and teaching style. I sometimes rewatch your videos to get more out of them. Very well done
You haven't spoken about Darius Milhaud, one of yhe godfathers of politonality
Don't worry, he's in the request pool!
Well that was another awesome video Thomas! :)
We would definitely be friends if we met IRL 😄😄
Szymanowski, Smetana, Tallis , Blitzstein and Post-Minimalism
love your videos, thank you. What is the name of your theme song?
The theme music I use is one of the first pieces I ever composed: Dance #2 in E minor for piano trio. I've come a long way in my compositions since then, but it doesn't make that piece any less fun to hear or play, and it fits the videos quite nicely.
The full version can be found on my main channel: czcams.com/video/zps7sQZecQY/video.html
Is that a VHS on the shelf?
Nope, no VHSes here ... although I see what you mean. I'm glad I upgraded from this too-close, too-blurry set.
The intro! 🤣
I once watched Adam Neely's video on polytonality and he had 2 major keys in his playing of Mary Had a Little Lamb, C major and Eb major. I couldn't hear separate keys at all. Instead I heard 1 key, C minor. Why is it that 2 major keys a minor third apart can sound like the minor mode of the lower tonic instead of separate keys? Is it because of that specific interval of a minor third?
Since C minor and Eb Major have the same key signature (as those keys are relative to one another), it's nearly impossible to establish a dual tonal center with the same set of pitch classes.
@@ClassicalNerd Um, C major and Eb major are the keys I was referring to when I said that the voice was in 1 key and the accompaniment was in another key and those 2 keys definitely don't have the same pitch classes. C minor is what I registered that polytonality of C major and Eb major as. In other words, even though the keys of the voice and accompaniment are unrelated, what results sounds like a single key rather than 2 keys. What I was asking was if that had anything to do with the interval of a minor third between the voice key and the accompaniment key.
Ah! My mistake-I misread "C major" as "C minor." Long day.
There are definitely moments where C and E-flat major sound like C minor, depending on how you voice the chords, but for me the E-to-E-flat cross-relation is too strong for me to hear it as anything but two different keys.
Because the left hand iand therefore the bass is in C, that dominates. You hear the C-G-C progression. The Eb and Bb superimposed on that C make it sound more "minorish", for example if you play a C chord in the left hand and an Eb in the right you basically have a C7#9 chord -- with the two different thirds battling it out
Kino of pointless to speak of polytonality without exemplars.
Also kind of pointless to critique a video I made six years ago, when I had only about 100 subscribers ...
Bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla . . . We just want to hear how it sounds, dude!
Your points are well made but you're mumbling by rushing your speech. If you want to teach, speak understandably.
Well, you're watching a video that I made over two years ago. I've learned a thing or two about cadence of speech and production quality since then, so I encourage you to take a look at a more recent video!