Tucker Gott lol Tucker, funny seeing you here, I watch your videos every so often when a new one comes out just watched the coffee one, walmart, and you flying to breakfast today. I'm looking to get a paramotor in the future, have my mind on Nirvana but I would stray away from Blackhawk to be honest, I think there quality just isn't there yet.
MISTAKES: -assuming to control elevators while it is actually brakes. -Peter is braking too much! what generates lift is speed and not the "elevators"(BRAKES). -leading out of the spiral way to quick and then braking it almost doing a dynamic stall followed by a huge surge resulting in cravats and lineover. NEXT TIME: - Stall: fly high to a safe altitude to practice, once high start pull down the brakes symmetrical and notice the point where it stalls on your radio. Now you know where not to pull in normal flight to prevent accidental stalls. -Spirals: (Motor OFF!) pull down one side gently (don´t stall! you should know your stall point by now). To exit release gently, don´t brake both sides! to bleed off the energy just keep turning on the same direction with less brake input, releasing slowly to normal flight.
Great fun to see you guys picking up the ins and outs on paramotoring! You might find it interesting to rig it onto a trike or quad, then you could launch the way we do! And..... apart from trim configurations paramotorists indeed use their throttle as an elevator! Great vid, keep it up!
Finally ! I wanted to ask you to shot an episode about OPALE Paramodels, they have really good paramotors. I'm flying a 2.7 meter wingspan for the last year and just ordered the 5.0 meter wingspan. Thank you for that episode, enjoy your new wing :)
As an owner of a real life one, I gotta say that is one RC that I want. It would be so very cool to fly it when conditions are more active than I would launch in, then when my RC guy is flying in nice launch air then time to put him away and go up myself.
I traded my fpv flying for flying a scale powered paramotor a few months back. Watching this video that model seems to mimic the real thing real close. I saw Tucker shouted in the comments, I watch his videos all the time, take him up on his offer to go play with the scale ones!!! I'm in Ohio again in September, willing to show you mine up close as well. Cool video!
He Guys from Flite Test. Para RC have NO Elevator. This is a Break. You can use it to slow down the Paragleider. You have only left an right. To go climb put on more Thtottel, to desent Shut off the Throttel.
This looks liek a good FPV platform for Landscape shoots and long duration flights, not fast but can carry a lot of stuff( battery) and glides very smooth
As has been said the "brakes" are not elevators. They are used for 2 purposes - firstly by using one brake you can turn left or right (which is what the rudder/aileron stick does) secondly both brakes (the elevator stick) can be used to flare the paramotor just before landing. Throttle is used to climb or descend. There are heaps of CZcams vids on flying a paramotor or paraglider (full size) that shows how they fly.
It's funny how they are COMPLETELY clueless when it comes to the physics of how a ram air airfoil works. They barely scratched the surface of all the cool stuff they could do with that. Like the spirals, full loops, thermal gliding. I bet / hope behind the scenes they're learning all this stuff and we get a revisit very soon. It's a totally new area and visually stunning if they can learn the tricks. It would be even more fun to watch if Peter designed a reserve chute system (wink wink). Also a thought lesson for flight nerds out there that aren't familiar with canopy systems. Think about what adding weight so far below the airfoil would do to the flight characteristics. Little hint, with a parachute you can only yaw; And in that setup yaw always becomes roll. It's like a pendulum.
Love the idea of the para-glider but one thing you could do to "jazz it up" would be; while using FPV, to use a head tracker to bank/turn left and right and use a ground radio trigger style for throttle. That would be ace!
I thought about bringing mine to Flitefest last year, but didn't know how you guys felt about it, haha. There is an annual fly-in (similar to flitefest, but only for actual paramotors) every year in Newton Falls, OH. Only about an hour or two from you guys if I remember correctly. It's usually the first weekend in August. Come on up and do an episode! I'll definitely be there again this year flying around. There will even be people to give free rides again next year, I'm sure. Let me know if you'd like more info :) Great episode!
Hi guys! Keep up the good work, love the videos. Some kind of instructional video for this would be really helpful. I have the 2.1m Hobby King paramotor and even after a good three to four hours of trying to get it to fly, I've had no luck at all (the large fan is terrible for cutting into the lines with hard / failed landings) and I've all but given up!!! So sad, as they look amazing!!
Good one. Looks like the landing pad you are building for UFO's next to your building is coming along nicely, from the late aerial shots - bulldozing things flat so you are ready when They arrive.
Love this! I would love to see more of the rc skydivers also. maybe a scratch build! I wish you guys drifted away from swappables as they really don't last very long. I want to see more variety! Just a thought
Graupner already had such a Paramotor in program (in Germany/Austria) about twenty years ago. It was called Sky-Surfer and was equipped with a semi-rigid canopy -wing which prevented from wing-foldings (not always) in extreme maneuvers. It had only two channels: Throttle and "aileron". It was advertized for bloody beginners. However I lost mine during a strong wind- it climbed away since it had absolute no penetration power. However it was fun to fly for me when i was 12-years old. Nevertheless, they are a bit tricky to fly.
hey guys, Lowes sells a 23 foot extension painters poll that has a threaded end that you can take insta morph and mold around to make a hook to grab planes out of trees. you should pick one up, total time saver.
Fun video guys. Don't you hate when even dead trees reach out and grab rc models? We have ONE tree on the cross strip at my club, just over the fence on a neighbours property and it's not very tall. ONE tree... yet the damn thing is like a magic vacuum cleaner.
How many trees must die before we say enough to these para-menace of the skies!!!! 😅 Loved the in flight views. Inspired me to build my own with a trainer foil. Hope to keep the build under $200 with electronics.
Flitetest , the videos you guys crank out are amazing every-time , and I have learned a lot from you guys over time. However, i have been thinking lately. You guys have a abundance of rc planes , quads and helicopters . What are you're thoughts with the new FAA law drone registration ? I would assume many people before me have brought the topic up , but are you going to register all of the equipment Flitetest owns ?
I'd be really interested in some tips around finding the optimal angle of attack for the chute and weight for the paramotor - I've been trying to get mine to fly (own-built) for quite a while and can't put my finger on WHY it doesn't fly...
Alright you guys, you are having way too much fun. Most would have called the review "done" but no you guys prune 30% of the foliage in order to finish. No harm no foul :-) Still got a tree and the model is hardly the worse for wear !
That's just too awesome! I didn't know that RC paramotors even existed. And also I'm scratching my head and kind of tripping on that little 4Runner that's sitting on the dash of your full size runner. Toyota for life! What brand is it and where did you get it?
I love the little pilot dude with the googly eyes! question... does this count as an Unmanned Arial Vehicle? did the FAA specify that it has to be human?
You guys should make a video soon that addresses the FAA registering of "drones" requirement that starts soon so that the RC community is well informed.
looks like fun! there's a guy that flies a real one around my town, I hear it's quite easy and safe, but I don't think I would try it. and is that a kodak sp360 I see? I have one, it's a great camera
someone in the U.S. needs to make these. AL or 3d printed frame just needs to be a motor mount, and bolt the receiver and servos. the parafoil is abt $30, but I think if you had the material you could copy one smaller so to make a model under 8 oz/226g
hi guys . slowing a paraglider down is why you are stalling the glider . hands up position is the only way it will fly . The only time you would bring hands down are a quick jab for pitch stability. and then landing (the flair) to slow the glider down . A paraglider wing only has a small speed window to fly in . To quick and it will climb ( even to the point of stall ). to slow and then it will collapse. The wing is soft and requires air passing over creating a small amount of pressure . Other wise it is just material
+Timothy Potato i was recently hit with a model paramotor and was mentally scares for life. these drones need to be banned. a menace to national security. just kidding. see my profile pic.
That's not "up elevator." Those are the brakes, which is both left and right brake toggle at the same time. It would have helped if you had a quick briefing on canopy dynamics from someone before flying. To go up, add throttle or find a thermal.
Ha ha .. that was great! Hey I bet you could make one with less strings maybe find a pair of panty hose for a sail? Great video as usual. Happy New Year to all. GrampaKenCanada
I noticed that after having put it into the tree , the next time you had it in the air, we could see the figures hand, to which the brake lines are attached. Straight away i could see what was causing the bad handling, To climb, a steady throttle is kept on even in a nice slow turn, however if you happen to move the model.s hands, which only go up and down, and are in fact the brake lines, you actually stall the wing making it fold loosing air from inflating it. The only time you use the brake lines is on coming in to land, just before you touch the ground, you push down on the brake line which reduces forward movement and speed, at the same time putting the wing into a stall which in real situations will give a slight rise and then a decent at slow speed allowing you to prepare to start running reducing to a stop as the wing folds and decends behind you, as you go to this position the power is cut or at least put into idle which with a little luck will keep the wing straight out behind you, theres nothing more soul destroying that for the wing to come in behind you into the prop which is why most tend to cut the power totally.
I have the 3.2 on my first launch I crashed and cut off all the bridal lines on one side. i have the replacement ones now but dont know how to fix it. joy
Isn't what you are calling "Elevator" actually the "brake", used for flare, controlling canopy position (to avoid collapsing canopy when reducing power suddenly) and dumping lift (by "stalling" the wing). ?
+kadmow Correct, only left and right brake and together they act like flaps. When you cut power suddenly the wing will surge forward and can collapse (frontal). The wing can also stall when a lot of power is applied too quickly. Also you have to let it fly , too much brake will stall the wing (collapse) . When turning, controls need to be held on to keep it turning. Bottom line is that you have to be really smooth on the controls and on the power, pilot induced oscillation get's out of hand quickly and the pendulum effect will work against you. I fly a full-scale one (see my channel), but haven't flown a powered one yet. Someday...
+John Ullrey so if the wing collapses is anything possible to prevent a crash? I know nothing about it and it seems like it would be almost impossible to recover from that.
Nice one guys! If you ever want to do a video on full size paramotors, hit me up!
Hey tucker! Love your vids!
+susanrc73 Hey thanks! :D
Tucker Gott omg I just found about you CZcams channel 5 days ago and love your videos
Tucker Gott lol Tucker, funny seeing you here, I watch your videos every so often when a new one comes out just watched the coffee one, walmart, and you flying to breakfast today. I'm looking to get a paramotor in the future, have my mind on Nirvana but I would stray away from Blackhawk to be honest, I think there quality just isn't there yet.
Tucker Gott oh my god your here!!!
You KNOW Peter was just itching to put some rocket motors on that thing!
Didn't know you watch flite test, sweet
It's like Top Gear but without the pretentiousness. lol
+TAOFLEDERMAUS
Well you're watching a lot youtube, don't you?
+TAOFLEDERMAUS haha, I get the same feeling from TG
Never would have expected you to be here, ever!
You guys have too much fun. Glad to see Peter using my favorite transmitter, FrSky Taranis!
"I wonder if it flys inverted..."
Peter your the best hahahaha
Fly..no fall yes
I was hoping you guys would post something more, and you delivered! Thanks!
please do more of these they are great, thanks for getting me into the hobby of Rc
MISTAKES:
-assuming to control elevators while it is actually brakes.
-Peter is braking too much! what generates lift is speed and not the "elevators"(BRAKES).
-leading out of the spiral way to quick and then braking it almost doing a dynamic stall followed by a huge surge resulting in cravats and lineover.
NEXT TIME:
- Stall: fly high to a safe altitude to practice, once high start pull down the brakes symmetrical and notice the point where it stalls on your radio. Now you know where not to pull in normal flight to prevent accidental stalls.
-Spirals: (Motor OFF!) pull down one side gently (don´t stall! you should know your stall point by now). To exit release gently, don´t brake both sides! to bleed off the energy just keep turning on the same direction with less brake input, releasing slowly to normal flight.
+Max Martini I'm getting one soon, thanks for the tips! Although I am a paraglider too so I am a little familiar. ;)
Love your videos by the way! :D
susanrc73 Thanks! One day I will get one of those too, to practice acro without putting my life in danger :D
Enjoy, fly safe and happy landings ;)
Great fun to see you guys picking up the ins and outs on paramotoring! You might find it interesting to rig it onto a trike or quad, then you could launch the way we do!
And..... apart from trim configurations paramotorists indeed use their throttle as an elevator! Great vid, keep it up!
This new item you guys have it was hilarious. very different from the other Rc devices but very unique.
Finally ! I wanted to ask you to shot an episode about OPALE Paramodels, they have really good paramotors. I'm flying a 2.7 meter wingspan for the last year and just ordered the 5.0 meter wingspan. Thank you for that episode, enjoy your new wing :)
Lovely episode guys!
You guys ..throttle is elevator. .Tucker let them know
Eloy Garcia yes it sure is
These guys pulling brakes thinking it’s elevator
Nice and cute flying machine. Something extraordinary that you usually don't see
As an owner of a real life one, I gotta say that is one RC that I want. It would be so very cool to fly it when conditions are more active than I would launch in, then when my RC guy is flying in nice launch air then time to put him away and go up myself.
Looks really fun!
I traded my fpv flying for flying a scale powered paramotor a few months back. Watching this video that model seems to mimic the real thing real close. I saw Tucker shouted in the comments, I watch his videos all the time, take him up on his offer to go play with the scale ones!!! I'm in Ohio again in September, willing to show you mine up close as well. Cool video!
That looked like way too much fun!!!
Welcome to the fun of RC-PPG!!
He Guys from Flite Test. Para RC have NO Elevator. This is a Break. You can use it to slow down the Paragleider. You have only left an right. To go climb put on more Thtottel, to desent Shut off the Throttel.
This looks liek a good FPV platform for Landscape shoots and long duration flights, not fast but can carry a lot of stuff( battery) and glides very smooth
As has been said the "brakes" are not elevators. They are used for 2 purposes - firstly by using one brake you can turn left or right (which is what the rudder/aileron stick does) secondly both brakes (the elevator stick) can be used to flare the paramotor just before landing. Throttle is used to climb or descend. There are heaps of CZcams vids on flying a paramotor or paraglider (full size) that shows how they fly.
I always love watching these things fly, it just looks like one of those things I would crash and then shelf it XD
It's funny how they are COMPLETELY clueless when it comes to the physics of how a ram air airfoil works. They barely scratched the surface of all the cool stuff they could do with that. Like the spirals, full loops, thermal gliding. I bet / hope behind the scenes they're learning all this stuff and we get a revisit very soon. It's a totally new area and visually stunning if they can learn the tricks. It would be even more fun to watch if Peter designed a reserve chute system (wink wink).
Also a thought lesson for flight nerds out there that aren't familiar with canopy systems. Think about what adding weight so far below the airfoil would do to the flight characteristics. Little hint, with a parachute you can only yaw; And in that setup yaw always becomes roll. It's like a pendulum.
Love the idea of the para-glider but one thing you could do to "jazz it up" would be; while using FPV, to use a head tracker to bank/turn left and right and use a ground radio trigger style for throttle. That would be ace!
floating glasses you got there josh lol, cool review btw
Awesome vids might want to buy that it seems really unique to have
I thought about bringing mine to Flitefest last year, but didn't know how you guys felt about it, haha. There is an annual fly-in (similar to flitefest, but only for actual paramotors) every year in Newton Falls, OH. Only about an hour or two from you guys if I remember correctly. It's usually the first weekend in August. Come on up and do an episode! I'll definitely be there again this year flying around. There will even be people to give free rides again next year, I'm sure. Let me know if you'd like more info :) Great episode!
Hi guys! Keep up the good work, love the videos. Some kind of instructional video for this would be really helpful. I have the 2.1m Hobby King paramotor and even after a good three to four hours of trying to get it to fly, I've had no luck at all (the large fan is terrible for cutting into the lines with hard / failed landings) and I've all but given up!!! So sad, as they look amazing!!
Good one. Looks like the landing pad you are building for UFO's next to your building is coming along nicely, from the late aerial shots - bulldozing things flat so you are ready when They arrive.
Oh my, that Gen 3 4Runner! Somebody at FT has really good taste.
+Danny Cruz that's Peter's baby:)
Nice video!
Great video guys. The French do a lot of that for real around the French Alps so it would appeal to them to have a model version.
ive already been a bit disappointed because you uploaded a 1 min video... glad to see this :D
I like it when the drones shoot stuff at each other
Putting a ladder on an SUV roof, gads! You guys take the cake!!
A tip if you fly into the sun is use your transmitter to shield the sun!
And crazy respect for those that fly them in real life.
Love this! I would love to see more of the rc skydivers also. maybe a scratch build! I wish you guys drifted away from swappables as they really don't last very long. I want to see more variety! Just a thought
Yo yo yo guys love your videos you have helped me so much with the hobby :D
Jammy gits, would really like one of the Opale models and you get given one! Sooooo lucky.....expensive but quality! :)
Pretty cool,nuthin like flying a real one :)
Graupner already had such a Paramotor in program (in Germany/Austria) about twenty years ago. It was called Sky-Surfer and was equipped with a semi-rigid canopy -wing which prevented from wing-foldings (not always) in extreme maneuvers. It had only two channels: Throttle and "aileron". It was advertized for bloody beginners. However I lost mine during a strong wind- it climbed away since it had absolute no penetration power. However it was fun to fly for me when i was 12-years old.
Nevertheless, they are a bit tricky to fly.
this looks really fun, makes me wonder how hard it would be to build one of these out of a paraglider style stunt kite
One would think by now FT would have a long enough pole to reach into those trees. Thanks for the vid. =)
what a way to spend an afternoon , cool
Congrats on your P2's! any chance of revisiting this? Opalae has gone way past this model since this video was released!
Very, very cool!
hey guys, Lowes sells a 23 foot extension painters poll that has a threaded end that you can take insta morph and mold around to make a hook to grab planes out of trees. you should pick one up, total time saver.
You guys look ready for the real thing! Okay, maybe not but it's a blast. When you guys are ready to get your feet in the air, let me know.
Fun video guys. Don't you hate when even dead trees reach out and grab rc models? We have ONE tree on the cross strip at my club, just over the fence on a neighbours property and it's not very tall. ONE tree... yet the damn thing is like a magic vacuum cleaner.
How many trees must die before we say enough to these para-menace of the skies!!!! 😅 Loved the in flight views. Inspired me to build my own with a trainer foil. Hope to keep the build under $200 with electronics.
yeah rctestflight beat u too it
^^
i was like: "did he reupload it? oh wait its a different channel"
Just what I was thinking... I thought it came back up weirdly on youtube's subscription tab...
+Josiah Nilsen Haha just gonna say that...
+Curious airlines haha yeah I was like...I swear I clicked on FliteTest...
Flitetest , the videos you guys crank out are amazing every-time , and I have learned a lot from you guys over time. However, i have been thinking lately. You guys have a abundance of rc planes , quads and helicopters . What are you're thoughts with the new FAA law drone registration ? I would assume many people before me have brought the topic up , but are you going to register all of the equipment Flitetest owns ?
I'd be really interested in some tips around finding the optimal angle of attack for the chute and weight for the paramotor - I've been trying to get mine to fly (own-built) for quite a while and can't put my finger on WHY it doesn't fly...
Paragliders are great. New to the USA and a lot of fun. I have some videos of mine on my channel.
Alright you guys, you are having way too much fun. Most would have called the review "done" but no you guys prune 30% of the foliage in order to finish. No harm no foul :-) Still got a tree and the model is hardly the worse for wear !
That's just too awesome! I didn't know that RC paramotors even existed. And also I'm scratching my head and kind of tripping on that little 4Runner that's sitting on the dash of your full size runner. Toyota for life! What brand is it and where did you get it?
I love the little pilot dude with the googly eyes!
question... does this count as an Unmanned Arial Vehicle? did the FAA specify that it has to be human?
You guys should make a video soon that addresses the FAA registering of "drones" requirement that starts soon so that the RC community is well informed.
they did a article on their website flitetest.com
Ardupilot + gimbal + DSLR and use for mapping / searching / rescue and similar things :)
Nice....the "elevator" is just for flaring to land. The throttle is used for going up or down.
looks like fun! there's a guy that flies a real one around my town, I hear it's quite easy and safe, but I don't think I would try it. and is that a kodak sp360 I see? I have one, it's a great camera
Have you tried the kit form? You get a bolt of fabric and a spool of line.
someone in the U.S. needs to make these.
AL or 3d printed frame just needs to be a motor mount, and bolt the receiver and servos. the parafoil is abt $30, but I think if you had the material you could copy one smaller so to make a model under 8 oz/226g
Looks like fun. I want one. :-)
What do you think about having to register all drones and planes over 9oz?
Fark. You guys just poisoned me for new toy again!
so cool I want one!
hi guys . slowing a paraglider down is why you are stalling the glider . hands up position is the only way it will fly . The only time you would bring hands down are a quick jab for pitch stability. and then landing (the flair) to slow the glider down . A paraglider wing only has a small speed window to fly in . To quick and it will climb ( even to the point of stall ). to slow and then it will collapse. The wing is soft and requires air passing over creating a small amount of pressure . Other wise it is just material
I hope you have that menace registered with the FAA.
I have nightmares about these things on a daily basis. They are extremely dangerous and should all be burned
+Timothy Potato i was recently hit with a model paramotor and was mentally scares for life. these drones need to be banned. a menace to national security.
just kidding. see my profile pic.
Sierra_bravo My best friend was mugged and stabbed by one, I feel ya brother. They need to be eradicated
+Timothy Potato if one of them hit a 747 the death toll would be in the tens of thousands
XD
This country is going to the dogs! Soon there will be no blue skies, only the underbellies of quadrotors--fight back before it's too late!
Nice parachute
What is that ultra-wide-angle camera? I want one!
This would make a great camera platform but really guys, did you have to cut the tree branch to get it down?
where's the gopro footage on the head
you should of gone to the flite fest field to try it out.
I really want to try this for real!!
That's not "up elevator." Those are the brakes, which is both left and right brake toggle at the same time. It would have helped if you had a quick briefing on canopy dynamics from someone before flying. To go up, add throttle or find a thermal.
Josh, I'm noticing in many of your videos you mention a difference between flying downwind versus upwind. Care to elaborate on that?
Please do another episode with RC paragliders!
Ha ha .. that was great! Hey I bet you could make one with less strings maybe find a pair of panty hose for a sail? Great video as usual. Happy New Year to all.
GrampaKenCanada
I noticed that after having put it into the tree , the next time you had it in the air, we could see the figures hand, to which the brake lines are attached.
Straight away i could see what was causing the bad handling,
To climb, a steady throttle is kept on even in a nice slow turn, however if you happen to move the model.s hands, which only go up and down, and are in fact the brake lines, you actually stall the wing making it fold loosing air from inflating it.
The only time you use the brake lines is on coming in to land, just before you touch the ground, you push down on the brake line which reduces forward movement and speed, at the same time putting the wing into a stall which in real situations will give a slight rise and then a decent at slow speed allowing you to prepare to start running reducing to a stop as the wing folds and decends behind you, as you go to this position the power is cut or at least put into idle which with a little luck will keep the wing straight out behind you, theres nothing more soul destroying that for the wing to come in behind you into the prop which is why most tend to cut the power totally.
Does it include the saw!
just a wee tip move your transmitter to block the sun works well
What camera do you guys use?
its not actually an elevator its actually the break when both toggles are pulled down at the same time. that's why you kept stalling it
I'm a beginner at rc planes what plane do u recemend with a £55 budget????
i wonder if its possible to use a 4 line kite for this
Does anyone know if the new registration thing affects free flight?
It looks so much like a scale paramotor and apparently behaves like one too. I would love to buy one but it is to much money for my budget.
I have the 3.2 on my first launch I crashed and cut off all the bridal lines on one side. i have the replacement ones now but dont know how to fix it. joy
Take the weight out of the base and use it as a camera platform.
Here's a challenge Peter, install a flight controller and GPS hold.
+James Lamb I doubt it could hold a position well...but it would be a fun project!
These would be awesome for high altitude balloon recovery chutes...add some GPS and a flight controller and you're in like flynn.
Night flying this thing must be... AWESOME
What about the second episode of R.C Skydiver ?
@FliteTest: Which mode on Tx/Rx did you use?
Comes with a special mixer 3:56
can you show how the control works on that thanks
You should invite Tucker Gott to fly in and show him what you're all about.
Isn't what you are calling "Elevator" actually the "brake", used for flare, controlling canopy position (to avoid collapsing canopy when reducing power suddenly) and dumping lift (by "stalling" the wing). ?
+kadmow Correct, only left and right brake and together they act like flaps. When you cut power suddenly the wing will surge forward and can collapse (frontal). The wing can also stall when a lot of power is applied too quickly. Also you have to let it fly , too much brake will stall the wing (collapse) . When turning, controls need to be held on to keep it turning. Bottom line is that you have to be really smooth on the controls and on the power, pilot induced oscillation get's out of hand quickly and the pendulum effect will work against you. I fly a full-scale one (see my channel), but haven't flown a powered one yet. Someday...
+John Ullrey so if the wing collapses is anything possible to prevent a crash? I know nothing about it and it seems like it would be almost impossible to recover from that.
+zach burke a well designed wing will reinflate hands off
+zach burke a well designed wing will reinflate hands off
Iain White Oh sweet. thanks for the info.
was that place a driving range?
Were did you get that parameter