Maurice Nicoll: The Psychology of Gurdjieff and Ouspensky's Fourth Way with Gary Lachman
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- Gary Lachman is the author of over twenty books about the history of esotericism and its influence on politics and society. He has written biographies of Carl Jung, Aleister Crowley, Rudolf Steiner, Helena Petrovna Blavatsky, Emanuel Swedenborg, P. D. Ouspensky, and Colin Wilson. His newest book is Maurice Nicoll: The Forgotten Teacher of the Fourth Way. His website is www.gary-lachman.com/
Here he weaves a fascinating tapestry involving the ferment in the early twentieth century, including the emergence of depth psychology and a burgeoning esoteric culture including theosophy, anthroposophy, ritual magick, and - particularly - the Fourth Way movement of Gurdjieff and Ouspensky. Maurice Nicoll was in the center of this world.
00:00:00 Introduction
00:01:53 The Fourth Way
00:18:13 Maurice Nicoll and depth psychology
00:28:36 Fourth Way paradoxes
00:44:12 Fusion of psychology and esotericism
00:57:38 Gurdjieff movements
01:06:56 Maurice Nicoll's significance
01:16:46 Conclusion
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(Recorded on June 6, 2024)
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thank you Mr. Lachman for your body of work and thank you Dr. Mishlove for sharing these interviews.
Always good to hear Gary Lachman's historical thoughts.
I see Gary Lachman, I click. 👍
That first trichotomy of personality types he mentions also appears in Colin Wilson's The Outsider, providing the key chapter on Lawrence, Njinsky, and Van Gogh.
Nicoll’s Psychological Commentaries are remarkable.
I must re-read them.
Love Gary and his books! A Very Favorite of mine.❤ (Not to mention his music!)
I also became interested in Gurdjieff after reading Colin Wilson's book, "The Occult" in my 20s (this would have been in the early 1980s). Around the same time I first encountered Nicoll's name in EF Schumacher's book, "Guide for the Perplexed". Subsequent to this I started reading Ouspensky and the first volume of Nicoll's, "Psychological Commentaries". This latter was interesting because it was a methodical survey. I then contacted a Gurdjieff group, because I was interested in joining. I will never forget speaking to the young lady and being creeped out. I suppose she was "self-remembering" throughout the conversation, but paradoxically, I felt like I was talking to a robot. That was the end of that. I know that I am generalizing but over the years my impression of many of its followers is that they come from the strain of New Agers who want to slavishly believe in something. I will admit that the notion that "man is a machine, and that he is not awake" is compelling and contains no small amount of truth. My problem with it all is that it places too much emphasis on the "heroic ego". It recognizes that there are "many I's" but it looks at them as pathological and that they must be reeled in under the Self. Nicoll's interpretation of the biblical parables seems stilted and seems to want to interpret them all from the perspective of a Gurdjieffian world view. My take away is to stay away from any system such as this. Yes, take into account that "man is a machine" and that attention is very important as is introducing some form of chaos to break up habitual thinking.
The two most important words I've ever read; "remember yourself" - IN SEARCH OF THE MIRACULOUS , Ouspensky
Gurjieff instructs Ouspensky to do this exercise, Ouspensky finds it takes years to do it without constantly forgetting (as it did me!)
Nicoll is awesome. Living Time is an amazing book
Just read the introduction on Amazon. Thx4 the recommendation.
this looks like it will be an important and illuminating book on a somewhat overlooked figure, thanks Gary for your hard work!
Fascinating! Always love Gary Lachman interviews. Thanks for what you do and for posting this!
Fantastic as ever thank you.
Gary and Jeffrey the coolest guys in the world…
You are correct . . . . This is all new to me, In my 67th year! Thank you for this talk. ❤
Cheers! I've been happily waiting for this book and interview. Gary Lachman is the best researcher to shine a light on Nicoll, whose Psychological Commentaries enabled me to grasp the Fourth Way teaching.
Enjoyed this immensely. Thank you ❤
wow. 1915 Saint Petersburg … with a 1917 departure. that’s the same timeline as Mathilde Kschessinska 😳💘 i am suddenly much more interested in hearing more about The Fourth Way, and in reading this book. i am not all that far into the interview yet, but so far it is Top-Shelf. thanks for another great interview, Jeffrey + Gary. 💙💚
interesting that i made this comment in light of the Eternal Remembrance. 🧐
that Observatory sounds really cool 🥹✨🪐✨ and it sounds more like a toy for Guirdeff, not the cornerstone for an Institution. i too vote yes on the observatory and no on the church building! i wish he had built it so i could visit it…
Fascinating insights, thanks for this!
I got" Beldzebubs t h g ...." It's so hard to go through. Thanks for this great insightful talk
What an informative dialogue as usual. Thank you both so much.
Man of Many Talents...
Gary relates these histories with commendable fidelity and discrimination, in my opinion. One small detail about the car crash -- some days earlier, a student at the Prieure was asked by G to take the Citroën to town for a safety inspection, and to pay particular attention to the steering components. So, like other notable people in the Work, he may well have had a premonition about it.
As for anyone who has faced these questions honestly, the potential for progress is at the same time evident and yet dismayingly elusive. Or rather, progress is not something to be kept or relied on, but improved. The potency for that seems to be what sets G apart from most of his followers. But readers of Beelzebub's Tales will find there plenty of material for practice.
Monty Python is gods own humor, therefore I purchased a Nicoll book 😂❤ if the court-jester of the universe John Cleese reads it that’s all I need to know.
I loved this talk, it was so very human. I’m not used to understanding in this way. But I’m warming up to it. It has its charms. If you want weird, I’m your man and woman. ❤
he does good work, thanks for posting this
The meaning of words is not transmitted through genes or blood, but is constructed through speech.
Description of the Groups after Gurdjiegf dyed, is somehow vague. But the way they functioned may be another aspect, to be considered apart.
yayy!
bravo
My Man Godfrey
I think maybe system did not work without the movements and Beelzebub.
Is anyone familiar with "The Teachers of Gurdjieff" by Rafael Lefort, published by Victor Gollancz Ltd., London 1968, 157 pages ?
It's considered apocryphal and really written by Idries Shah.
@@GaryLachman apocryphal=Of questionable authorship or authenticity. Erroneous; fictitious.
So you are saying the book is fiction, not true. Any proof that is written by Idries Shah?
The book basically says that Gurjieff was trained by the Sufis as an experiment to bring it to the West, and the Gurdjieff's teaching has no successors. Those claiming to represent Gurdjieff's teaching are not in the real lineage. Best to look elsewhere, is my understanding.
@@soulrongang en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Teachers_of_Gurdjieff
That's an odd definition of apocryphal.
@@dananorth895 from The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition • More at Wordnik
Can anyone confirm here that Gurdjieff once spent time incarcerated on Rikers Island? And if this is the case, have any of his students subsequently attempted to gain access to records of his time there?
He was known to obscure details of his life; breadcrumbs to nowhere
I hear you. I only asked because I recall reading about this peculiar titbit back in the 90s (possibly in James Webb's Harmonious Circle) and it has subsequently stuck in my mind. I mean, imagine being the cellmate who ended up sharing a bunk bed with Gurdjieff.
do you thhink that the entity micheal finished gurdieffs system using the chelsea quinn yarbros groups
Blondie punk ? Nah....
you'll notice that what runs through as a common theme in lachman's narrative is how market forces give legitimacy to the lives and spiritual ideas he's talking about, just like market forces gave legitimacy to his own success as a musician, and less so as an author. ouch!!
Oh right, market forces. Yep, I'm raking it in.
@@GaryLachman the comment has to do with how you measure the legitimacy of someone by their connections to other famous people and the market success of their works, as hollywood and corporate types tend to do.
@@fracta1organism "how you measure the legitimacy of someone by their connections to other famous people" Is the "you" here me, or do you mean "one?" If the first, you're off base by several light years and if the second, it doesn't apply to me.
@@GaryLachman look again at how often you give people clout by their connections to other people rather than the content of their ideas, kinda like how you superficially side with ukraine and the west against "evil putin". hollywood types tend to do that. they stick to the superficial surface of things.
@@fracta1organism Now I'm a Hollywood type who superficially sides with Ukraine against 'evil Putin'. You nailed it.
Wow, was very much into this until time stamp 14:30ish when guest so arrogantly assumes writers from any lineage posses polite political comforts so as to speak freely. Shameful
lol, wut?