The Dark side of Science: The Horror of the Monster Stuttering Experiment 1939 (Short Documentary)
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The Monster Study was an experiment performed on 22 orphan children in Davenport, Iowa in 1939.
During the experiment, they tried to give perfectly healthy children stutters.
It was orchestrated by Wendell Johnson at the University of Iowa. Graduate student Mary Tudor conducted the experiment under Johnson's instruction.
Half of the children received positive speech therapy, praising the fluency of their speech, and the other half, negative speech therapy, belittling the children for speech imperfections.
Many of the normal speaking orphan children who received negative therapy in the experiment suffered negative psychological effects, and some retained speech problems for the rest of their lives.
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I remember a girl in my art class had a really bad stutter. And someone asked her why does she stutter? And my art teacher said “it’s because her brain is faster than her mouth”. I’m sure that gave her comfort and it’s always stuck with me
I’ve heard that too, and I always stop and slow down whenever I start to stutter, then I’m able to get my words out.
What an awesome heads up simple explanation doesn't require any follow up makes the kid in question have a little confidence while also deterring others from making fun of her good on that teacher
My husband has a stutter. He’s also the most intelligent person I’ve ever met though. I’ve always felt this is the case for him. He always knows what he wants to say in an instant, it just takes him some time to communicate it.
I swear it’s true! My brother has a really high iq and has adhd and has a sever stutter
This makes so much sense
I feel like this study might tell us more about the effects of gaslighting than it might about the cause of stuttering.
The results made me feel sick to me stomach thinking how many children have developed psychological issues simply due to being labelled as such from their parents, teachers or peers.
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The cause of stuttering is neurological. It begins in the Womb. It can also be learned as well but is less common.
gas lighting isn't a real thing. You're crazy.
jk 😜
@@iamme6581
Whilst the act of driving someone insane has been around a long-time. The term 'gaslighting' derives from a film made in the the 1940's. Watch it if you haven't already.
"We didn't publish the study because we didn't want to be compared to Nazis"
Jesus Christ
I'd heard of this before, but that part's just appalling, cause that means they knew how shitty this was
Exactly. Thank heavens nowadays we have a lot of ethical frameworks and legal codes guiding us to do better in studies with human subjects.
Ummm 🤔 did you ever look into the earlier studies, especially in America.... early 1900s ... if some theory’s a correct they point out N**I were continuing some experiments that originated from American... and don’t forget the evidence of forced sterilization of native Americans in US up to at least 1970s......
So , the truth is no one is clean on experiments on ether side ... sooner we realize this , we could fix ..
And to think, today we have people openly marching with swastikas. Smh
@@LeCharles07 where?
@@Clearwater420 Wait, wait, what the fuck
Is this real?
So what we learned is tell all kids that their speech is great and keep improving and it will probably get better, and even if it doesn't at least they won't suffer psychological damage from you shaming them. I have a coworker who stutters, so this was and interesting watch. We just wait until he gets out what ever he is trying to say. I have noticed that the more comfortable he is around people the less he seems to stutter.
@@BTLVideoProductions your reply is perfect , I like what you said ……just the way it is .
As the great Scatman said:
Everybody stutters one way or the other
So check out my message to you
As a matter of fact, I don't let nothin' hold you back
If the Scatman can do it, so can you
I started stuttering at the age of 30..it stopped by 32 but was told it came from my hate of people 🤣 they kept trying to say it was social anxiety but considering my job there's no way that's possible
@@nmbmemphisbeast3690 I worked for years in entertainment but still struggled being surrounded by people let alone talking or confrontation.
Interesting how a path started to keep me hidden behind curtains had me in the middle of the crowd on the console.
I don't think your work is the best comparison
@@spicywolf6718 lol well I interview crowds of 30+ 4 days a week then have to do sperate meetings with parties over 90+
I teach after-school art classes and had a child with a stutter. He would also blurt out random words and sounds. I could tell it was "involuntary" so I never mentioned it, never asked him to stop or quiet down, when he spoke I listened patiently, never acknowledging the stutter or sounds. After a year in my class I never see him stutter or do that anymore at all, he's like a completely different child. I could tell it was anxiety related because when he stuttered or blurted things out, his eyes would dart around wildly. It's so important to treat children patiently and with respect. The way we treat them can devastate them for life, or embolden their confidence forever.
as someone who is in those kids shoes right now i just want to say you are exactly right . Making that kid feel at ease is really something great. i make involuntary sounds because my inner voice has a stutter as well. so my thoughts can come out as weird noises sometimes.
@@caneltepe2426 I hope people always treat you kindly and that you know there's nothing wrong with making weird noises :>
I believe that I developed stutter because of my mother who was always very impatient and disrespectful towards me, especially when I wanted to tell something. Never in my life she allowed me to finish a sentence even which caused low self-esteem and anxiety whenever I wanted to speak because I felt that what I want to say is worthless and nobody wants to invest their time to listen to me. The pressure to hurry up and speak fast before someone would interrupt me or lose interest caused stuttering and speaking words with wrong vocals or consonants. It went on until my late 20s and caused massive social issues.
I once fell in love, when I approached him finally, I had a weird stuttering and he raised his eyebrow. My embarrassment was huge.
Well, all this was a vicious cycle. The more I stuttered, the more negative response I got from other people, so my "worthlessness" would be confirmed each time 😔
Thank you for having empathy and patience for such people. You are such an angel.
You didn’t fix that kid’s tourette’s by treating him with dignity like everyone should treat everyone. Anxiety is know to aggravate tourette’s. Just continue being a decent person and doing what you’re supposed to do.
That's me and I got it from medication. My brain just puts random mad words into what I'm trying to say. My husband finds it endearing and hilarious at times but it's annoying. Becomes extremely frustrating trying to speak.
"Why do kids stutter?"
I do remember how my grandma told me that she used to stutter a lot.
Back then left-handed people where forced to use the right hand for everything.
Once the "law" was changed and she started using her left hand...the stuttering went away.
My grandmother's hairdresser was forced to switch as a child. (She was born sometime around 1915.) She remained right-handed for the rest of her life, but said she stuttered terribly as a child.
Interestingly, my grandmother was about the same age as her hairdresser, was left-handed, and was never forced to switch. Neither was her left-handed daughter, my mother. Then *my* first-grade teacher offered to switch left-handed me in 1978 (really!!!???!?! I thought they'd have known better by then). My mother, as you might imagine, immediately declined.
[ETA: this all took place in Virginia, USA]
I can throw another weird thing into this.
I stutter, mildly, in my native tongue. I never stutter in English.
@@Vanta_Blue Some people dont stutter if they are "singing" their sentences.
Maybe the brain uses other parts for sung or translated words then it would for your everyday use.
@@Sid_Black Very true. Singers seldom stutter, even if they do when talking. Some people lose their accent when singing too.
Simply put, we know very little. =P
@@Sid_Black Speaking technically seems very similar to singing, so you might be right on that.
(Idk about other people, but for me it's always seemed similar to singing due to the constant pitch changes, etc depending on what the context is.)
I used to have a stutter as well, I still do when I get stressed or when I'm talking to strangers, but now I try to avoid that by thinking of the sentence I want to say in my mind twice or thrice (including the syllables I'll make my pitch high or low on, so maybe that's similar to singing? I don't know)
In primary school I was told during an art lesson “you aren’t very good at art” in front of the class. I recall being mortified as I felt I’d tried but my picture wasn’t as good as others in the class. The teacher basically affirmed my thoughts yet offered no way for me to improve. Ergo I was labelled bad at art. Roll forward to today, some 40 years later and I hate painting (even painting a wall for example) and I won’t draw any pictures unless using CAD programmes. Pictures I produce are often very boxy and almost childish. However, I love art and have often mentioned to close friends how I’d love to be able to draw or paint. It was likely a throw away statement by that teacher but labelling me in that moment has 100% stayed with me my entire life. My daughter is an aspiring artist and I try to be constructive with her and will always encourage her to tell me how she feels about her work when she doesn’t seem happy about the outcome. This has fostered a trusting relationship where she can self analyse and speak to me about it, which leads to improvements. I’m glad she is in this area of her further education but I feel robbed of a life without being able to produce art.
I was told I swam like a demented fish about 30 years ago and have not swam since, I used to love swimming as well.
It's never too late mate. Art is a skill to be learnt and whilst there are some with natural talent, anyone can learn to be artistic.
I have a book of Drawing which shows people who started learning to draw in their 40's, 50's, even 60's first starting to learn.
The book shows side by side comparisons on these people drawing the first self portrait they've ever drawn, which is always scratches and doodles; and a self portrait only a few WEEKS later which is gallery worthy.
In middle school, while taking some art classes, my mom told me that I didn't have a talent for art. My middle school mind filed this away as truth and my enthusiasm for art dropped. After all, what was the point of I wasn't any good anyway? Flash forward to today, and for a modding project I start working on art for an icon. It initially was intended just to be a rough mock-up for one of the actual artists to use, but I kept working on and refining it, and, before I knew it, it actually was done and looked really good! This helped me realize that the reason I hadn't done any art for so long wasn't because I was bad at art, but because I was told I was bad at art. Now, in a supportive environment, I was actually able to make decent looking art and reevaluate what I am good at.
A friend of mine did a sturdy that found 97% of people who think they are bad at math are actually very good at math they just had one bad math teacher. Once you find where they got stuck, and explain that concept, everything else falls into place.
Im so sorry that happened to you! You should definitely consider getting a sketchbook and trying out art, it doesn’t have to look perfect or be anything it just has to be fun :).
Mom told me a story: Once when my older brother was in kindergarten he started stuttering. She went to talk to the teacher about it, and found out they'd been trying to "correct" his southpaw into being right handed. I'm not sure how she actually reacted, but she said she told them they better stop that RIGHT NOW. Mom could be pretty scary.
This would have been the mid 1960's.
Decades later, she had a stroke, and her right hand got a tremor so she couldn't write with it anymore. Yep, you guessed it - she immediately switched to her left hand, and her handwriting improved dramatically from her previous right hand script. Guess who was originally left-handed?
i stutter and still do
This is a common thing. I wish people weren’t forced into using their right hand. If it causes a stutter or anything else then you shouldn’t force someone.
@@FTMothman I sometimes wonder if it has as much to do with physical training. I don't stutter, but I can heavily relate, and I have a mental frame of reference for similar behavior. Seems to me as if, for alot of us, it's not not using your left hand... The getting smacked around in public and being called evil for not using your right hand? That's got to be part of it.
@@thlessil5561 physical training is definitely a part of it. I can personally say that it has an impact, I’m still reeling from the effects of something that I will not tell strangers on the Internet years later.
@@FTMothman Even if you don't understand it, man... You have my (n-1.) And even if you don't partake, 🍻. If you do? Know I've raised a glass.
And know I think even going there verbally was a brave thing. :)
As some who stutters, this breaks my heart for the children. No one deserves to be bullied because of their stutter.
Seen it first hand. You’re exactly right..
i'm currently in secondary school and i have a stutter. i am constantly insulted and laughed at for my stutter and i just find it ridiculous. everyone treats me like i'm inferior to them and i find it stupid since the only issue is i struggle to get my words out. idk though
I always get bullied for my stutter :(
@@LuluNekomimi jahajajaj
I don't read any stutter in your text. I've always been curious if people who have speech issues prefer this kind of communication
Man, this one hits home. As a kid growing up in the 80's I had a stutter and was made to go to therapy for it. I had to get ushered out of class in front of everyone and sent to the traveling speech van parked outside. I can still remember how that van smelled.
It was awful and so stressful to leave class like some pariah and then be expected to calm yourself, focus, and just not stutter by reading over and over out loud. I can tell you none of that "therapy" helped do anything but make it worse. It made me so scared to speak at all let alone in front of a group.
Nothing they did helped and it took changing schools, stopping that nonsense, and just being left alone and labeled quiet for me to start getting over it. It took years of being treated normally, just talking more and more on my own, and just getting older for it to mostly go away.
Now at 40 years old I can speak in front of people, even large groups just fine. It's only when I'm supremely stressed, like one of the kids in emergency surgery stressed, that it comes back to some degree. So yeah, this video really hit home and caused some feels this morning.
That sounds horrible. Glad they finally left you alone and you were able to feel better about yourself and work through it. Cheers!
What a terrible way to do it! It’s like being forced into the short bus in front of everyone.
I had a speech impairment when I was young, and to "fix" it I was made to stand in front of the class reading J.R.R Tolkien aloud, I was already being bullied as I was a foster child from a big city far out in the countryside. I was 8yo. When I finally left that place the impairment went away, and since then I've spoken to large crowds with utter confidence, I used to be a training NCO in the army and I'd be the first to speak to new recruits to lay the ground rules and explain what happens next. Recruit groups were 300+ ppl, I stood alone on a stage in front of them without a script.
Kudos @Kevin A.
I remember hearing a long time ago that often people who stutter sometimes cease to do so if they cannot hear themselves speak. Any validity to that claim?
I feel ya brother
A guy joined a group I was part of many years ago,he was kind of shy and didn't like to speak much because of his stammer,we would go around the group and say our piece individually,for a time he kept his shares limited,however once he realized he was among people who had patience and gave him what time he needed to express himself his shares became longer and his stammer began to abate,in my experience it's how we reacted or rather our lack of reaction that seemed to help,sometimes in life all you need is abit of common sense.
I have an old coworker who was like that. He could hold full conversations with me with only minor stuttering, only to stutter like mad talking to others.
In life y’all neeed more common sense. I feel like the only common sense person here
It seems like it's brought on by doubt with the brain double thinking every word they are speaking and sending the words out multiple times with delay.
I think confidence plays a huge role in every aspect of social skills.
People with stutters can sing without any issue... at that point it has to be a mental thing right? I mean that was my thought process
AA?
I have a friend I went to highschool with, he is one of the most brilliant people I know. He can 3D model whole vehicles just by memory but it's always just been his hobby. During school he was labelled as a ADHD kid and put into something called a IEP (Individualized Education Programme). He's a bad writer and doesn't care for history. He never finished highschool because he found it pointless, he never went college and now he works as a temp for factory work. He still just like back then can do things that I couldn't imagine doing, he understands things that I simply don't have the capacity to understand even knowing we share similar interests. To this day he thinks he is stupid and I've tried to prove it to him otherwise over the last 14 years of our friendship. You can have trouble but there's nothing more limiting and damaging then a label.
If you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will forever think it is the dumbest animal to exist.
-albert einstein
Labels are fine, it's how you *use* them that matters IMHO. For example, I've only just recently gotten an ADHD diagnosis in my 20s, but it's helped to explain a lot of the struggles I've had (particularly growing up and through school), and has helped immensely with actually accessing effective help and developing useful strategies for me going forward. Being able to identify someone's struggle is very valuable for getting them genuinely useful help or making reasonable accommodations; what people really tend to mean when they say "labels are damaging" is "the shitty attitudes people have towards people who aren't able bodied and neurotypical, especially when those conditions aren't adequately accounted for, are disgusting and do an enormous amount of damage". Had your friend been supported properly and treated with kindness in regard to their ADHD, who knows what they might have achieved at school?
The problem isn't the label, it's how we as a society react to it. Especially in the past, but even still today in lots of cases, the societal reaction has been, ah... El Grande Oof, to coin a phrase
Can you suggest him to try doing freelance 3D work? Might more fulfilling for him than some factory temp BS. There are entire courses for free, videos on youtube, industry standard tools like Blender are free.
As a CAD constructor that was being pushed for an ADHD diagnosis in my school years, and never did any other school than the first years and found the whole thing pointless and had a bad self esteem about my abilities and intelligence… it took me until i was 30 to realize i maybe could do something better than flipping burgers. I have now been at the same place for 6 years and could never dream of this ten years ago. This was because of persistent friends that kept telling me i had special abilities and different understandings of things and is thinking/solving way different from others. It has now turned out to be a huge strength and highly saught after with CAD engineers/constructors. I have no education in this but am quite good in my area i can honestly say. I have been offered three other jobs with high salary (but turned them down for different reasons). Keep bothering your friend! From what i guess from what you wrote, he could become a really good CAD constructor. Or work with CAD documentation.
@@Hannah_Em Agreed! I just got diagnosed at age 32 and I might’ve finished school if it been seen and treated sooner. But instead I was often told that I just need to try, I *would* be a great student, I have so much potential, ect by disappointed teachers that didn’t realize I did what I could.
Now I’m teaching myself math so I can eventually go to college. Because I finally got the missing piece figured out. I’m not dumb and lazy and “not trying” my brain works differently than neurotypical brains because I have ADHD. That’s comforting to know.
It’s unfortunate that these labels can misused and misunderstood but they are still helpful.
I grew up with a severe stutter, I could rarely get three words in a row out without sticking. After years of psychologically based speech therapy that had little to no effect in the late 60's to early 70's, I despaired of ever correcting my speech. Then thanks to a new undergraduate speech therapist at my school I was introduced to the concept of the "soft attack." I was asked if there were certain beginning sounds/letters of words that I nearly always got stuck on. After admitting that to be true (damn you T), I was then asked if there were sounds/letters that I almost never had a problem with. After thinking about it for a moment I realized that any word that started with an "H" sound rarely or possibly never resulted in my becoming stuck. I was then told I should silently add an "H" to the beginning of words starting with sounds/letters that usually got me stuck. While this involved a bit of mental effort that took a while to become ingrained the early results were almost immediately evident. Just telling me to stop/pause when I was stuck instead of repeatedly trying to force a sound/word out had never worked for me, my own anxiety of pronouncing that sound ensured that. But now if I felt myself becoming stuck I had a tool to bypass that, stop and take a breath then add a silent "H." Within less than a year my stutter had completely disappeared although even now, decades later, I still have the occasional brief pause in my speech as I bypass getting stuck.
I'm happy for you
Why Ask I'm glad you found a work around that worked for you. I don’t stutter but have/had dyslexia as a child and suffered the ridicule of both peers and teachers. I've had to train my brain to think like "normal" people with similar mental gymnastics that may not be evident to most people. I have trained my brain for so long that now in my upper 40s I almost don't consider myself dyslexic (hence the phrase have/had dyslexia I used earlier) I'm still limited but lead a very successful career and even attribute dyslexia for making my brain think different improving my mechanical aptitude as an HVAC tech.
I still read your comment as "I struggled with the word T T T T T Tee" I think that letter is what gets most people who stutter and the darn diagnosis of *stutter* has three of the troublesome letters ironically.
Thank you. I concluded that my stutter came from trauma. I remember growing up as a child living in fear. I was always afraid of getting yelled at, beat, punished, and worried my friends would find out. I even believed that I was a problem child because I was always getting in trouble in school. I don’t stutter as much now that I’m in my 30s, but it still bothers me everyday. I truly hate it, but your remedy makes a lot of sense and I plan on implementing it from now on.
similar story here! my younger sibling had some general speech problems and the “R” sound was one of their worst. so they were taught to substitute it with an “L” sound. for example for the word “read” they would say “r-lead” instead. and it helped them learn the R sound so quickly! that’s something people don’t get about speech impairments. you can’t just brute force your way out of them, it helps way more to find creative ways around them using the stuff you’re already good at
Now ....THIS... is just amazzzing. It's literally the exact opposite results of this experiment. Just by using intelligent back-door systems. I absolutely love this. Yay for you and anyone else that uses positive forward-thinking healing strategies ❤💜💙💚💛💗
I had a "french stutter". In the middle of second grade I changed schools to one where French class was taught early on. Me being a wide eyed excited child, I was thrilled that I was going to learn a whole other language! It was a once a week class, so the days preceding it I was reading labels of things trying to match up the French words to the English ones. I knew a handful of words, so I figured it was going to go pretty well.
Well, the day finally comes, and the French teacher walks in. She knew I was new and had never taken any french before. Turns out she was a crappy teacher. She would criticize every little mistake someone made, tell us her (French immersion) kindergarten class was better than us at picking up the language, and would just speak rapid french the whole time (minus the criticism) as if we could understand her.
Despite this, I kept trying, until one day I mispronounced the word "vous" (not realizing the "s" was silent). Well she came over to me and told me point blank "you are a disgrace to the language and the entire French culture".
Well that just wrecked me. I was terrified to speak again. My writing and reading were good, my listening was passable, but my speaking just tanked. And even as I went to different schools with different teachers I could still barely speak without stuttering, but only in French.
Fast forward to seventh grade, still stuttering whenever I tried to speak French, my friends and I are spending our lunch break in the classroom of our next class and in walks our French teacher. She's at her desk while we are talking and I happen to be facing towards her. I notice that she's looking at me strangely, and she continues to watch me curiously through the class (only making me stutter and trip over my words worse.)
Well, it so happened parent teacher interviews were later that week. By seventh grade at our school it was mostly a "come if there's issues, or you just want to talk" thing. Well, the teacher comes to me at the end of class and says she would like me and my parents to come in. Now I was a good kid, and none of my other teachers saw it necessary. My brother was the trouble maker who was always having my parents called in to discuss his behaviour, so I was terrified. All I could think of was that statement that had haunted me since second grade. That I was a disgrace to the language and the entire French culture.
So we go in, and I am sweating up a storm. She asks me (in French) how I'm doing and I give my customary answer (ça va comme si comme ça) while stuttering all over the place. And she just smiles and nods, explaining as we all sit that the reason why she wanted to meet with us is because she noticed I only stutter in French and wanted to try and figure out why that was and if there was a way to change it. My parents confirmed that while I do trip over my words and have a lazy way of speaking (words like kinda and dunno, dropping letters from the beginning and end of words when I'm speaking quickly) I don't in fact stutter like I do in French. I admit what happened in second grade which my parents never knew about because I was so ashamed I never told them, and we pinpoint that as the inciting factor. She then points out my reading and writing as clear evidence to the contrary, and says that with my parents permission she wanted to work with me after school, having me talk and read aloud with no one else around to make me feel uncomfortable about my speaking. She would gently correct me, but would reassure me that I was doing well and was just really great about it.
I never fully ditched the stutter, and it was always a shock to new French teachers when they heard the disparity between English and French speaking for me, but it became a lot less pronounced. Some sentences I could in fact actually get through without sounding like a scratched cd.
It sucks though. I mean I was so excited to learn a new language, and wanted to learn even more. Spanish held an interest to me because of shows like Dora the Explorer and Maya and Miguel, Japanese and Russian seem like such interesting languages and I still think about how cool it would be to understand them, but even now all I can think is how a native speaker of the language told me as a child that I was a disgrace to the language and continued to say I was hopeless and shamed me for not intuitively understanding that different languages have different rules than English.
TL;DR: don't shame people when they're trying to learn a language. Especially not little kids. Encourage them to want to learn, and use gentle correction rather than vitriolic attacks on their character.
I'm French and it really suck what she did. French is hard enough, no need to be mean like that, especially towards children
Snobby french teachers are an actual stereotype. So many french teachers see themselves as sacred and seem to try to demand more respect and authority than other teachers for some reason.
@@Gone4Everx We had such a French teacher in our school. I never had French, but from the few times I was in her class to wait for the next period, she was truly a monster
Funny enough, French itself is a mumbled stumbled and mispronounced pig Latin. It’s a broken Frankenstein language that went through many redormulations
@@Gone4Everx ikr? In my school we had two snubby french teachers. Always shaming students :(
I found this video really interesting and horrifying. Hypothesis: “Let’s see if we can make children feel so self conscious that they develop psychological issues!” The study was a success because yep, you sure can!
I have three sons on the autism spectrum so have dealt with lots of speech pathologists over the years. As a group I’ve found speech pathologists to be judgy, shaming, type A A holes (I’ve seen a few exceptions so it isn’t universal). Twice I’ve had to take my children out of speech pathology appointments because the therapists behavior was so inappropriate and was making them anxious and fearful. I didn’t know about this experiment but it, sadly, sounds about right. What attracts people to the field?? Why are these people like this? 🤷🏻♀️
Because most psychologists are reductive in their training to see outcomes without caring about nuances in each person with autism
I have worked with students with spld s and most of my work is undoing the damage to mental health due to educators in their lived
I'm on the spectrum myself and this video hit me similarly. I was never labeled a stutterer, but I do have struggles with speech occasionally, and these struggles always got worse when they were pointed out or shamed. In addition, as a child I was put in so-called therapy to help my social skills, which in fact affected me similarly to the children in Group 2A in this study. I lost a great deal of my confidence in my social skills and ability to interact with people, and those abilities atrophied from lack of use. Even now, years later, my social anxiety still rears its ugly head pretty often.
Also, I think that sort of people are drawn to the field because it allows them to have power over others, to judge and manipulate and demean people without having their actions questioned. In other words, they're bullies and it lets them bully.
I cant believe what you're saying is real...both my siblings had speech therapy for years. The therapist was so loving and caring. I had trouble saying my Rs and went to her a couple times to figure it out. She was awesome. She was practically part of our family.
Shit, and here i was thinking i had it bad when my teachers tried to force me to stop being left handed. my parents protested.. now im all fucked up in the hands. im left handed with a Pencil, a gun, anything writing or painting.. im right handed for throwing, using a knife. i can paint with my right also, but not write. i use power tools with my right, but a firearm on my left.. its very odd. however... Your heart must be made of solid platinum Bonnie. i cant imagine your struggles. glad the earth has moms like you. helps even it out because of the bastards like me.
@@Isaiah42069 I can somewhat relate... My second grade teacher told me that the way I held a pencil was "wrong," and he made me hold it in a really weird way between my index and middle finger with my thumb pressed against the bottom, and told me it was "practice" for holding it in another position (which makes no f*cking sense). Whatever the "correct" position was that the weird position was practice for, the asshole never taught it to me. None of my future teachers did anything about it (except one substitute art teacher who took my hand and made me hold it a different way, but then I just reverted back to the weird position after she walked away, since I was accustomed to it), and neither did any other adult in my life. Though, I think my mother gave me a paper once with illustrations of the different correct ways of holding pencils, but it had already been a couple years and none of them felt comfortable to me, so we gave up on that, as she figured it was no harm, anyway.
I'm now 25 years old, and I still hold a pencil the same way, as well as all other writing utensils; hell, even chopsticks. Boy, lemme tell ya... it really messed my hand up. My pinky finger is bent slightly due to the pressure put on it throughout all these years, I smudge the paper if I'm not careful, I inevitably get ink/lead on the side of my hand, and because of the pressure put on the pinky, as I mentioned earlier, I have this raw spot on the outer side of the top joint of it from rubbing the paper so much. My hand hurts after writing for too long (always gotta crack my stiff knuckles afterwards too, or sometimes during), and I take FOREVER to write, and I write kind of big, so I prefer writing on the computer (though, I'm a slow typist, too. Nice). Despite these issues, I'm an aspiring fiction writer and an artist, so I've made it work. Just get a couple comments and glances from people sometimes, but nothing severe.
So, the moral of the story is: If you want to do a deeply psychologically scarring experiment on orphans, make sure to use multiple orphanages so you have enough kids.
Pretty much. Orphans were just lab rats and slave labour. Angel’s ashes. Transport to Australia little Albert
The problem with science is a religion to many and the ends justifying the means to some. Treat humans like lab rats and there’s no difference electrocuting beagles or watching monkeys 🐒 die in the pit of despair. It’s all justified in the eyes of those looking for prestige and fame.
That's some solid advice! Whenever I decide to start my mad scientist career, I'll be sure to implement your wonderful advice! Thank you
The second moral is, don't be from the past. It was the worst.
@History Eraser Button it's so sick isn't it?
A best friend's niece had a really bad stutter right into her teens. They took her to therapy where they discovered it was due to the fact her father was molesting her and it was extreme anxiety. Psychological damage can show its ugly head in many ways.
Wait, so your best friend's brother or brother-in-law did that to that poor girl?? 😨 that's awful
@@duetopersonalreasonsaaaaaa It was her own dad who molested her. There's sick ass ppl in this world. Always more near you than you think.
@@delaineyjohnson8238 wait I'm confused. Your best friend's niece. As in, your best friend had a sibling who got hitched and had a girl. And that girl's father molested her. So like, was it your best friend's brother-in-law?? Brother?? Either way terrible, makes me wanna fucking vomit
@@duetopersonalreasonsaaaaaa How hard is this to understand? Let me try a different way of saying in-- girl daughter was sexually abused by her father. Biological father. My best friend's biological brother was her father. That help you?
@@delaineyjohnson8238 yes, that's why I asked in my first comment if it was your best friend's brother or brother-in-law. And in your reply, all you said was that it was the niece's father (which you had already said, and wasn't what I was asking for clarification of). Thanks for the snark, but I don't appreciate it.
Such a shame the victims of this quackery weren't allowed as adults the privilege of re-visiting Johnson in order to kick the living shit out of him.
Someone should do a study on people who carry out these studies. Even if experiments are a must for the furthering of medicine and science, it still takes a certain level of apathy (sociopathy) to inflict suffering on others without their (informed) consent.
Jigsaw
have you heard of the story on what they did to those triplet boys back in the 80s.. "science" has done some terrible shit just to write a damn paper that proves nothing but what monsters we really are when the curtains are closed.
@@Isaiah42069 amen, humans are awful creatures no doubt
You already got part of it. On top of that there’s a quote the describes these kind of people.
“Humans are the only species capable of understanding and inflicting cruelty.” I’m paraphrasing but there are different thoughts on whether animals know what they’re doing is wrong.
@@_DMNO_ I’m not trying to be mean but are you a psychopath? Because most people would just say empathy. Empathy isn’t a social construct. Empathy maybe relative but unless you’re a psychopath most people first use empathy to determine if what they doing is right or wrong. Social norms come after.
This study was weirdly groundbreaking
How?
@@Sebastianator01 showing that, in this case, the "nurture" in nature vs. nurture can have drastically negative consequences - it's a study that inadvertently showed how badly bullying and abuse can permanently impact a child.
@@shoesncheese exactly (see the children who ended ups speaking less) and also that stuttering is not very reliant on self-perception, but must be treated by other means and by lots of practice (which needs encouragement to happen)
@@shoesncheese i don’t think we needed to deliberately abuse this many children and give them permanent psychological damage to UNDERSTAND that. Literally anyone with common sense can come up with this conclusion, with observing daily examples and using them as refrence.
But this weird idea of “science” needs lab tests and crude and artifical recreations of social situations to have a conclusion.
@@ldalexandrite
You'd think that would be common sense to know that neglecting or treating children badly would lead to bad things, but you have to remember that the guy who’se idea was that you should wash your hands before operation was ridiculed. Fucking hand washing. Or beating children for trying to drink water instead of light beer.
We are fucking dumb.
This is so interesting..
I can remember my older sister (who would point out anything that was 'wrong' with someone) telling me how badly i stuttered until she left our life going in and out of jail and doimg drugs etc. I didnt notice my stutter as bad in high school, but as soon as she came back she didnt even have to say anything but even though i was now an adult my stutter got worse and worse. Im really starting to think trauma is a bigger part of at least my case
I had a “movement disorder“ that I thankfully outgrew but only even recognize now 40 years later. My mother inflicted the anxiety it compulsively relieved. Stuttering may have other causes but I agree with you it likely shares this one as well. Kids don’t spawn their own compensatory maladaptations, so whatever caused your sister’s was almost certainly either at school or at home. The parents that let her bully you likely bullied her if I had to guess. Sure I’m not telling you anything you don’t already suspect or know, only pointing out there’s no such thing as a messed-up kid with a good parent (outside of congenital or acquired neurological anomaly).
Egg in the shell…
I definitely certain situations/ events can effect a stutter….
I stutter, it’s not much of an issue at all anymore, but once in a great while it may pop up.
I had much more of an issue in elementary and early middle school., But as I gained confidence and completed speech therapy, it was something that I never really had an issue with… Unless I had become extremely uncomfortable or felt self conscious, etc.
Not that this example is comparable to yours… But I was a senior in college and in my senior thesis class. We had to prepare a 20-25 page paper and give a 10-15 minute speech.. Which wasn’t a major deal, I had been able to give speeches without too much issue for years by then.
But… We had to go around class and read a one paragraph preview of the subject we would be doing our thesis on..
For some reason I started to get very anxious.. I was hearing all these great ideas and previews and started to get nervous.. thinking mine was not as good.. I also have an issue with reading something word for word in front of people.. anyway… I had not stuttered like this in years.. again, since maybe 5th-6th grade..
I could not get through the paragraph.. I had to just kind of explain in my own words without reading the paragraph.. it was very embarrassing.. especially bc I had never stuttered in that class before..
I went on to do my thesis speech without any issue.. no stuttering.. so… certain events can trigger it.
We had a girl in our primary school who had a stutter, as far as I know no one gave her shit for it and we just listened like you would anyone. People who stutter aren't hard to listen to, some people just refuse to listen.
"This experiment was so awful, the practitioners refused to publish the study and their peers named it The Monster Study and has been compared to inhumane Nazi experiments.... I'll give it a 7 on the Ethics Scale!"
I’m almost afraid to ask what gets a 10
@@WineScrounger Literal Nazi experiments
Lol yeah I mean this very very shitty, and in a weird way the guy conducting the experiment really thought he was doing something great. Just sad all around the board really. I mean if you think something is moral, then it’s moral
Okay this is obviously unethical and very unfair to the children but don't compare it to the Nazi experiments, are you crazy? Do u even know what those people used to do to humans in the name of confirming the superiority of their race?
@@muunhead They did a lot more than that.
Crazy, im born and raised in Davenport, and I'm quite familiar with local history. I've been to that complex many times. I've never herd this story.
Really?? I thought most of Davenport's creepy ass history is known.
I learned of this in the 90s after moving from Oklahoma to Park View.
Only reason I know is my cousin had to take language therapy lol
*written while sitting in North Park 😂
theirs several youtube vids on it but it is a more rarely known case i think cause i love stuff like this and just heard of it a couple or so years ago
You've probably never heard of it, either.
Me either! I’ve lived in Davenport all my life and took theatre classes in that building (now it’s a public theatre program), and I’ve heard of this experiment but I never knew that was where it was done!
I grew up in Cedar Rapids and am an alum of the University of Iowa and I’d never heard of this before.
This study reminds me of exposure therapy for social anxiety. I've heard stories from many people of varying ages who all say that exposure therapy to treat social anxiety worsened rather than improved their anxiety. I myself am one of those people. When I was 16, my mother enrolled me in exposure therapy sessions to treat my anxiety. It didn't work. It did the opposite, in fact: it worsened my anxiety. I'm convinced that if I had never been enrolled in those therapy sessions, I would still have social anxiety, but it wouldn't be anywhere near as bad as it is now.
yeah that tracks. i did exposure therapy for ocd and social anxiety. helped the ocd a lot but didn’t really put a dent in the social anxiety lmao
So will you continue blaming your mother, or actually try doing something about it rather than crying on the internet?
Its no longer in her hands, its in yours. Continue the self-pity if you want, but it never helps.
@@_DMNO_ why do you care?
@@meepmoop2308 I used to deal with horrible social anxiety and it still somewhat remains, but it is much better because I actually took it into my own hands rather than blaming others for my issues.
I care because I know his experience, and I know it won't get better until you actually give a fuck about getting better.
@@_DMNO_ i see a lot of people with anxiety kind of give up and not even try to fix it, its kind of annoying tbh but ive never dealt with anxiety so i cant say anything because idk what that feels like. thank you for sharing your story
Ah yes, one of those very rare studies where the small sample size is actually something of a blessing, rather than a curse
I’m simple, I see Plainly Difficult, I click
Thank you!
I’m simple, I click on PD, sometimes I don’t sleep.
I've always had a stutter, I think anxiety has a lot to do with it. Like when I get over-anxious about something I am trying to say, or a situation gives me anxiety. I found it easy to control over the years just by slowing down my speech at times, and as I've gotten older it seems like it's been less of an issue, but it still comes up sometimes with certain words, but it's really just a frame of mind when I think about it. Seems natural for some social anxiety to go along with it.
Does alcohol help?
What about benzos?
@@daviddavidson2357 "BuT hAvE yOu TrIeD sElF-mEdiCaTinG wItH aDdIcTiVe SubStAnCes?"
@@robbiirvine1038 What a well thought out response. Its clear that you're definitely not to the far left of the bell curve when it comes to your IQ, I don't see how that could be at all possible.
Olanzapine is the most commonly used pharmacological treatment for stuttering.
Guess what. Suddenly stopping taking it causes severe withdrawal effects.
I've seen people who have a stutter (one is treated with a dopamine antagonist which again, causes withdrawal symptoms on sudden cessation) improve greatly after one or two drinks.
PS: You might want to learn the difference between a question and a suggestion.
@@daviddavidson2357 I don't owe you an essay about "why asking people if they've tried self-medicating is a bad idea." But by all means write me out another paragraph I won't read.
@@robbiirvine1038 Point out where I said "Have you tried self medicating" (in the first post I made) there is a difference between asking someone if they have tried self medicating and asking if drinking alcohol helped. Almost everyone over the age of majority (and a very high percentage under it) have consumed alcohol. Many people have either been prescribed benzos or have taken them illicitly at one point in their life so again this isn't saying "Have you tried self medicating" it's "If you tried this, did it help?"
Question =/= suggestion
This is a sad story, I've seen the documentaries on this one. It's rough.
Sadly true
Fascinating video John! As an ambidextrous infant and early junior i know only too well how they loved to try and "normalise" you back in the seventies.
Oh! And I've been diagnosed with Asperger's & AD/HD in my 40's. So that could explain my emotional response to this study.
I was always the odd kid that didn't fit in. All of my school memories are laced with fear & dread. I only felt like me outside of the structure and constantly shifting society of large groups of these creatures that didn't even feel like my species!
Add to that the ambidextrous thing!
I'm 56 now & I'm still glad "school" isn't there every morning!
I hear you! I hated the pencil sharperners on the wall, and the school scissors! The ones for us lefties never worked.✌😸
@@PhoenixLyon I've still got the bruises from the school scissors mate! 😆
@@Aengus42 LOL Mine finally healed! ✌😸
edit: the pencil sharpener still gives me nightmares, tho...At 59!
Thank you. I concluded that my stutter came from trauma. I remember growing up as a child living in fear. I was always afraid of getting yelled at, beat, punished, and worried my friends would find out. I even believed that I was a problem child because I was always getting in trouble in school. I don’t stutter as much now that I’m in my 30s, but it still bothers me everyday. I truly hate it, especially when meeting new people. I can tell it’s anxiety/stress related, but only half of the time.
Same🙏🏾
I stuttered badly for 20 years. I was abused by a teacher. I'd been abused a lot over the years. but was tortured a lot by a teacher who had been a POW. I never addressed it until years later. I had hypnosis. Great practice for me.
Does your stutter come back gradually if you don't have hypnosis regularly?
@@bunnyyamor3154 I've been pretty stressed lately with a death and a break up with my partner and noticed the stutter coming back with people I don't know. Otherwise I'm fine.
I'm 59 and grew up as a stutter with flaming red hair. Childhood wasn't easy. I got therapy but still now under stress or being caught off guard (ie: unexpected phone call) can get me to stammer.
i Sutter and still do :(
I used to stutter alot when i was a kid and got bullied really hard for it 😕.
I'm really glad i grew out of it but now im just the quiet guy at work because of social anxiety
Bro you cannot be acting like you dont have that name
So interesting as a young adult who still stutters, even though I took speech therapy in elementary school, stuttering is still mysterious. I sat down and did an interview with my voice and fluency professor since she focuses on stuttering and she says stuttering is one of the few disorders that is heavily based on the individuals environment. I don’t know if I’ll ever stop stuttering (and I don’t really care ) but I know for sure there was a period or two that I noticed I wouldn’t stutter as much or not at all and some periods if my life I just stutter more.
I remember how I got my stutter and how I got rid of it. I was a little kid and my father stuttered a lot (still does), so I asked my mother at the time why he talked that way, and she said that his uncle spoke like that as well. It was a brain thing. I asked if I'm a stammer and she said that I'm clearly not, but then, since I looked up to my father at the time, I started stuttering and didn't get out of it. I was sent to a speech therapist in my teens, but it "didn't work". She said it was a brain thing.
Then a few years ago, at 24 y/o, I came across a video (you can also look it up) about curing a stutter, which was Tony Robbins telling a young man that no one is born a stammer. He asked the young man to search his earliest memories for how it began, and after a while, he remembered. Tony Robbins then told him he's not a stammer and that that moment in his life didn't define him, as well as that he needed to practice. It actually worked.
I thought the same to myself and it took me a while to remember how it started for me. Finally, I remembered and that's when I told myself I'm not a stammer, and I actually stopped stuttering altogether. I even had sudden mental blocks that didn't allow me to speak even if I really tried, so I had actually thought it was my brain. People didn't even know I used to be a stammer and my family was surprised. But then it came back with a vengeance when I was in a course and 5 grown-ass women bullied me, also a woman, because the teachers praised my organizational skills. I lost my confidence completely. But now my confidence is back and I don't stutter anymore, which I actually just noticed.
Amazing! Good job!
*a hundred thumbs up*
I always try to be super respectful to people with stutters, I’ve always associated stutters with childhood trauma’s and do my best to make them feel like I didn’t even notice
Never know what the person across from you has truly been through, better off being kind!
Classic child abuse eh. Stuttering really sucks, I used to struggle with it when I was younger and it's the reason I still speak slowly because if I talk faster I do still stutter.
It's really criminal, some of the things done to children in the name of science.
This Mary Tudor lives up to the Bloody Mary name.
The fact that she had apprehensions about what she was doing to the children but chose to continue the study anyway makes it worse.
This experiment hits home rather hard.
I skipped a year from my kindergarten because I thought I'm smarter than everyone else. I mean, come on, no 5-year-old would be so fluent in describing many shark species and many kinds of whales, right?
That is until my second grade, where this teacher decided she has had enough of my smarty-pants antics and beat me to death whenever I made mistake at math. I even got dragged down to first grade and she told my mom that I should have been put into 'schools for special needs'. That basically turned me from a genius to a fucking trainwreck.
I will never forgive her shitty treatment towards me, and the bad part was that she died a long while ago, never to feel any consequences of her actions. But hey, at least that boy she called idiot and debil 21 years ago now has a master's degree in aerodynamics and fluid physics. And she's dead.
Outliving your enemies is the best revenge.
I had a teacher in 2nd grade that bullied me almost all year. She would make me get her lunch tray, bring it to her and sit down with her in the class. After lunch was recess which I wasn’t allowed to go play. It got to the point where she kept me after school one day and I had to go use the restroom really bad. I kept telling her I had to go she still didn’t let me and I couldn’t hold it in any longer and peed all over myself. I sat there for a while and she didn’t even care one bit. Luckily the assistant principal happened to walk by and saw us in there. He saw me in the chair wet and I can still remember the look on his face to this day. He looked absolutely disgusted with her and got watery eyes. He ended up driving me home and told my mom what happened. I ended getting out of her class by the next day.
I know she acted badly but nigga that was second grade time to let go of some of that resentment that bitch already dead and you still mourning about it
@@ghhhhhhhhhh the whole point of this video was how some trauma can literally have an impact on integral parts of you development. I think you missed the main idea here
@@harkomaldhanda yeah i didn't watchè the vidèo
They were really trying to prove this:
Stutterer: "Hi, I ha-ha-have a s-s-s-stutter"
Scientists: "No you don't, you were just told you have"
Stutterer: "Understandable, have a nice day"
There is a small amount of merit to that statement though. If the stutter was a panic response then you remove the source of panic there's a good chance the stutter goes away.
I have a friend who doesn't stutter at all if he's stressed. He gets quite stoic and broad with his statements if he has to talk in any official capacity.
But when relaxed will stammer like a machine gun. He's more than confident to joke about it himself but he genuinely gets stuck on a word or in a loop sometimes. Quite often this ends with a deep slow breath and a smile then trying again. Obviously speech therapy didn't work for him but then it's never a one siize fits all option.
So not funny dude
I developed a stutter when my adhd meds made my tongue swell, only a tiny bit but it didn’t fit in my mouth the way I had been used to for 20 years. As soon as I stuttered, it got worse because then I was embarrassed and it snowballed. I no longer have that problem, but it was really upsetting and confusing. I was much quieter, unhappier, and kept my thoughts to myself.
Shaming children for almost anything is evil, IMO. They are innocent and still developing. Fear and shame are some of the most powerful emotions, especially in a developing brain. It makes sense that aggressive teaching/parenting styles would make a stutter worse.
This one was difficult to watch. My oldest child has severe speech difficulties (no stutter) so this hits close to home
"Yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, that they didn't stop to think if they should."
I have a nephew who developed a bad stutter at around 10. I think it was from emotional traumas and pressure/criticism put on him by his parents. I dont know many specifics, but I know things were toxic behind closed doors. It's about 90% better now that he's an adult, but stress still can bring it out.
My stutter developed from early childhood trauma that was never dealt with, it created an emotional block in my throat that prevented me from talking. Time, good therapy ,and a happy family is the real cure
My brother had a stutter. I remember when we were little, he’d have a hard time pronouncing words like “You” and “We.” Of course, because I was used to it, I didn’t think anything was wrong with the way he spoke. I just knew it took him longer to say what he needed to say, so I’d be patient and listen. Luckily he was given speech therapy really early, and by the time he was in the third grade his stutter was basically nonexistent. He also had friends and teachers who were understanding and supportive, so he didn’t have time to grow self- conscious about it. We’re both adults now, but to this day I think about how heartbroken I'd be if he had gone through anything like this.
I've had a severe stutter my whole life, and underwent a couple experimental treatments. The one that worked best was by Gerald Maguire M.D. They've found that people who stutter have higher dopamine levels, and giving dopamine antagonists (for example, something like abilify) significantly helped those people who stutter. It worked wonders, like an on-off switch, but the medication got much too expensive. Researchers have made incredible progress in their understanding of stuttering, is my point, and not all hope is lost :)
Stuttering has many, many different causes and each case is different
Yeah, abilify is stupid expensive. I'm lucky enough to have insurance, otherwise I would never, ever be able to afford it.
Did you read about new research on inhibitory learning in order to remove stuttering? It states, even if stuttering is genetic, we can extinguish the stutter trigger by learning to: 1. Disconfirm expectancy 2. Detach importance from the trigger (not seeing the trigger as powerful, fearful, my own thought, true) 3. Build tolerance against trigger by observing trigger, always expecting it and learning to not react to it (which in erp is called acceptance)
As a child I used to stutter alot .There was 1 instance when I got into trouble with a friend of mine .The prefect lead us to some teachers class to receive our punishment. We arrived and there were 3 teachers ,they shouted at us and they asked for our names.I have a VERY long name and I would struggle to say it .Instead of teachers being patient they all burst out laughing and they began mocking me .I would expect that kind of behavior from other learners but not from teachers so yea...It hurt alot.To all the teachers out there please be patient with learners that stutter .Your reaction could permanently damage their confidence
When i heard the word "orphanage"..... i sadly understood everything :(
Just because someone has a psychology degree doesn't mean they or their views are functional or non destructive. Watch their advice and always temper it with your own lived experiences before taking on what they say. Many, like lawyers, do not know right from wrong despite their academic credentials and professional status or are outright frauds. Think of this, if a psychologist damages you with malpractice who would you seek out to make a complaint to? Unlike physical malpractice evidence is quite subjective and it may be said (likely by your opponent in a lawsuit) that you are crazy and therefore evidence of your mental state is can't be trusted. Great video, thankyou.
You are totally right.
I had an assigned psychologist and that womand had nothing but contempt in her eyes and speech.
On day I arrived to the clinic and she was sitting behind the administration desk writing the complaints book, thay had complaints against her, and she was laughing and saying "This is a lie. But that's not surprising since all my patients are all borderlines or decompensated". 😱 Like, if they didn't have mental struggles they wouldn't be seeing a psychologist to start with. Also, I realized that if they do something wrong or malpractice the fact that the patient had "mental issues" immediately removes the patient credibility and removed the accountability from the practitioner. People with mental issues are considered liars by default.
Great video PD! I have degrees in clinical psychology. We studied this experiment as an example of a very unethical experiment. It is one the main reasons I eschewed experimental psychology for specializing in clinical/counseling psychology.
Did you read about new research on inhibitory learning in order to remove stuttering? It states, even if stuttering is genetic, we can extinguish the stutter trigger by learning to: 1. Disconfirm expectancy 2. Detach importance from the trigger (not seeing the trigger as powerful, fearful, my own thought, true) 3. Build tolerance against trigger by observing trigger, always expecting it and learning to not react to it (which in erp is called acceptance)
@@AgarioSplitrunner I have a colleague who is a Speech Therapist. I'll have to ask her if she has heard of that research. Thanks!
I've heard this story before and I live 56 miles to the East, so that's soundly in the back yard... Labels are a huge downfall for society, so many will never see so much as half their potential.
I'd say this was a 9. Ruining vulnerable children in almost any way is just horrendous.
I've never heard of this. Thank you for bringing it to us. This is pretty evil.
As someone who grew up with a stutter, this one hits me. In my own experience, building up one's confidence or helping one relax undeniably helps. You keep drawing attention to it or go out of your way to hurt someone, and the anxiety makes them focus on the stutter - makes them self conscious - and it gets worse. Heck, it makes them think more about how "shitty" they are and less about actually talking.
It makes me glad I had a supportive family growing up, and later found a job I enjoy. While the stutter still flares up at times, that support and the ability to relax when talking really helped diminish it to a non-issue. Given how much talking I do in said day job, that's probably a good thing lol.
They don’t even teach about this study in psychology research classes. We were taught about so many reasons that the institutional review board was created and this study was not mentioned. Instead we heard about the more known Millgram and Stanford prison studies. In so many ways this study is worse.
And oddly the prison experiment has since been discredited
Well, they can't teach you everything. If you're interested in a topic, you can still look it up yourself on your free time, and even do a presentation about something you found. If they taught everything about the subjects in schools, we'd spend our whole lives in school, more than the huge chunk we already do.
@@roguedalek900 I'm not sure about that.
Its a very real phenomenon. If you give enough people nearly complete control over the lives of others, it will eventually be abused.
@@_DMNO_ There's really no need for a study to be conducted to reach to that conclusion. Just look around and the History books.
Managers abusing employees at work places, parents and teachers abusing children, slavery, etc. If one group or individual had power over the other it will definitely result in some sort of abuse, with some exceptions when it comes to individuals. But in groups, empathic individuals who don't want to engage in abuse are shunned by the others and could even become abused themselves, so they would join.
God, this is beyond messed up. My degree is in speech, language, and hearing sciences and a few of my patients have stutters. It hurts to even just imagine them going through this type of suffering.
Did you read about new research on inhibitory learning in order to remove stuttering? It states, even if stuttering is genetic, we can extinguish the stutter trigger by learning to: 1. Disconfirm expectancy 2. Detach importance from the trigger (not seeing the trigger as powerful, fearful, my own thought, true) 3. Build tolerance against trigger by observing trigger, always expecting it and learning to not react to it (which in erp is called acceptance)
Gotta love this channel and all its content! Great video again! I always learn something new and another thing, the fact that there's a point for the ad breaks to slip into so nothing gets too interrupted is really appreciated and certainly keeps the flow of the video going for me!
I actually don't think it's anywhere in realm of Nazi experiments, but it's hard to quantify the personality damage...
People get skewed when it comes to kids.
It's nothing even comparable to the Mengele experiments. No physical interaction. I could be considered a trauma based experiment but it's not in the same range as the twin experiments or the mind control experiments. Giving a kid a self concious stammer is not the same as killing small animals in front of them.
"You talk good." Well now THAT was funny!
Have you thought about doing a video on the experiments done on native children in the residential schools in Canada?
Any examples?
Or on black(indiginous) children in Australia.
O yea
Dorito Mum made a vid on the very unpleasant Canadian residential schools.
@@Laladust or Torres Strait Islanders?
Bullying on any level will destroy one's confidence. I should know, I've been there. I was bullied for many years straight, starting back in grade 5 and to this very day it still haunts me. I have rage and confidence issues all the time. Sure, I've improved significantly over the years (thanks to my faith and my wife) but the pain will never truly go away. Sadly, the world hasn't seen any real improvement...except to better cover their tracks when performing horrible experiments.
So sad to hear. I wish you all the best in life.
When I was little, my younger cousin had a stutter. There was a moment that still haunts me today and I'm almost 30. He used to start to talk and his stutter was soo bad people would get annoyed, and one time he seemed to be trying to ask me something but all he could get out was "wha ..wha ..wha ..wha". I just rolled my eyes in annoyance and walked away to continue what I was doing. Man that must've made him feel so awful as a little kid. I wish I could go back in time and straight up punch my younger self right in the face. Luckily my cousin grew out of it, but man I still think about that.
More teachers should learn about that study. I can't even count how many times teachers told me to speak louder or open my mouth wider while speaking, which caused me to refuse to speak in class and caused me to overthink my speaking. I even have those problems nowdays in University even tho many things changed and my confidence improved. So I can't even imagine the psychological impact on people that stutter getting constantly reduced to their free speach skills.
Brrrr your comment somehow reminded me of this one history teacher who got heads up from my mom that I stutter while reading. So what did she do? During the first fucking lesson in a new fucking school, she asks me to read the answer to the first question (the answer being like a paragraph long).
Thankfully damage was mitigated by my mom and other teachers and my classmates were in the end rather cool about it. But damn that bitch, what was she trying to do 🙄
I would put it at 8 on my "wtf scale"
My brother had a bit of a stammer when he was a kid. Mom would tell him to stop, slow down, and try again. He only ever stammered when he was really excited and was trying to get the words out really fast. My brother is also a classic case of ADHD. Mom point blank refused to let him be treated differently from other kids and had the teacher instead put him in the back of the room so he could get up and move around during class when he found he couldn't sit still (and do it without disrupting the class or disturbing the other students). In a way, Mom's point blank refusal to believe there was anything "wrong" (that's how Mom saw it and probably still does) with my brother is probably why he ended up graduating with honors - teachers found it easier to bend to Mom's demands to accommodate my brother which enabled him to succeed in school. And then he joined the Navy... Yeah, commanding officers don't allow Karens (and my mom is definitely a Karen) to bully them into accommodating their sailors. Sigh.
My partner had/has a speech impediment. He still struggles with certain sound combinations. He went to speech therapy as a kid. He said it's the only reason he can say certain things and that in speech therapy, he had to learn how to pronounce certain syllables a specific way in order to actually get it out. That's why he uses the British version of saying "aluminum" instead of the American way - he can't say it the American way. He always gets stuck.
Evil. I was a sick child and my mother would allow tests to be done on me and I felt so violated. I never was asked if I wanted these medical studies. Children should be off limits.
Edit for clarity: these tests were outside normal care. I was at the university medical center for experimental tests. I’m all for proper medical care which can still be traumatizing to children. I went through that, but then the added testing for “advancing” medicine. I was followed until I was 18 because then I refused.
I’m so sorry 😭
Agree. If tough enough to be an adult. Kids need to be protected and allowed to grow up.
I think the testing should be done properly. I was in some studies too as a kid but they were very non invasive. I don't think it's possible to ban all studies on children, but the ethics standards should be higher yet than for normal studies done in adults
@@verybarebones how do you get consent from a child? Children don’t have the capacity to give consent that’s why they need protection. And how do you know a child isn’t being coerced?
@@trishayamada807 the parent is responsible for giving consent, along with the child. We will always need children to participate in science, because children need medical and psychiatric care too. What works for adults may be lethal to children, so we will always need to test any pediatric treatment on actual children.
Great video! I really enjoy these dark side of science videos!! Keep up the good work John!!
I’m 17 and have been stuttering since I was 6 years old. I’m terrified of talking to people
Well done. You’re objective delivery is a refuge among the rest of the internet. Yes, these subjects are very interesting. Thank you.
Wow. I was born in Davenport, IA, and live in the adjacent city most of my life, and have NEVER hear of this (I'm now 37). Keep digging this stuff up, dude!
Thank you for this video. I think I had suggested the subject after viewing your "Baby Albert" video.
Well done as always!
Never underestimate the power of positive encouragement.
god forbid someone talks a little bit different than everyone else around them!
Geez, I know it was a different time back then , but people shouldn't even care, it literally doesn't affect them, like imagine getting upset that words come out a little bit differently out of someone's mouth then you and being like "that's bad you need to fix it" 🙄 how about you just be patient and mind your own business
Like if someone is left handed, it makes no sense to try to "fix them", humans are all different in nature so why does it matter
Over the years I've had a pretty bad stutter. I've had it since I was really young. But like other comments have said, it actually isn't that bad when I'm talking to people I'm comfortable with it ones that can understand my situation. I usually stutter when I have anxiety, or I feel uneasy or just uncomfortable.
The worst part about stuttering is hearing everyone else speak fluently and wondering why the hell you can't do the same! It's like a little gremlin grabs your tongue or strings up your vocal chords just to make you seem like a big idiot. Those breaks where you're stuttering feel like an absolute eternity too (the silence is deafening in front of a group of people). So much of your breathe gets wasted on the stutter itself and you end up running out of breathe a lot.
I went to speech therapy after highschool when I could focus on it more and luckily I had a really great speech therapist who more or less removed my stuttering. It still requires a lot of effort and I still have to do warmup exercises every morning but that's the key - continuous work and improvement. It still flares up when I'm over-excited, over-stressed, or over-anxious but I can reduce the effects of it even when I am in those emotional states.
The vipeholm experiments in sweden is another dark part of science. Might be a good fit to this series!
I was a lefty forced to write with my right hand. Other than the fact that my handwriting is atrocious and primitive, it hasn't affected me. Some of that same psychology described in this video were tried on us in the '50s. Most of us ignored it went on with our lives.
I can dig on that "primitive" handwriting. I'm right handed, but I broke my arm in 6th grade. I had to spend a big chunk of the school year writing with my left hand and it was chicken scratch! And my teacher gave me a D- handwriting grade! My dad was mad because she KNEW I was right handed and shouldn't have graded my left hand writing to the standard expected of a left-handed student!
My great-grandfathers teacher would smack his left hand with the lid of his school-desk if he caught him writing with it... those were some dark days if you were "sinister" (early 1900s).
but people like my dad who couldn't become right handed no matter how hard he tried suffered dearly for it he was born in 1937 and yes he went on with his life but he was never emotionally the same just hope stupid things like this aren't done in the future
On a positive note: Every time the Republicans or Democrats nominate a left-handed candidate for President, a left-hander wins. This rule worked in 1980, 1984, 1988, 1992, 1996, 2008, and 2012.
@@RaDeus87 Wasnt that around the time when the Soviets thought you could plant rice in a wheat field and it would evolve? A lot of people starved.
I liked your side note graphic!
I have a friend who is a stutterer. It isn't prevelant, it only happens every now and then. But I still hold him in high regard.
I didn’t have a stutter as a child, but around the age of 13 I slowly started developing one. Now at the age of 19, I still stutter when I get worked up, stressed or if I’m speaking to someone I don’t know. It really helps to be surrounded by friends who are patient and let you try again until you get it right without turning it into a joke or commenting on it
When Plainly Difficult goes through all the bad history, he’s gonna jump back in time and create his own for content. Always focused on the grind. Respect.
I was born in the early fifties and was left handed in writing, but most everything else I do right handed. The Nuns tried to get me to change to right hand for writing until my father told them quite forcefully to leave me alone. I can write right handed but because I don't practice, it isn't pretty. And I don't stutter, but don't like to speak publically either. I'm quite fluent with the printed word. Go figure.
Love the old pictures of the University of Iowa (Go Hawkeyes). Great video...again!
I was having a sip of water at the same time that “side note” came up and I nearly spit it everywhere 😂
When I was really young up to when I was like 11 maybe I had problems with my nerves because of trauma when I was a kid that would make me shake and stutter sometimes, but as I got older it got worse to times where I almost fainted and it got better because I learned that confronting the trigger eventually made me neutralize it to the point it did not have as much affect on me. No doctor could ever help me, but somehow this did and now I am not homeless anymore and I work a full time job. I never had a dollar from anyone in my life unless it was for working for them.
Damn never thought I’d see something from Iowa on here, we’re usually off the radar
Love the new series. Great work!
Videos like these really help me look at my past and realize that I may not be tied to these labels not because I actually fit them, but rather have little else to define myself. It's in my belief that it's detrimental for me to do so, but it's also troubling to have a lack of a label. Having to overcome the fact that I am more of an ordinary person who lacks certain talents, rather than having the excuse to cover for it.
Hey, remember this whenever you come across someone who suggests adults/parents don't have an influence on their children's adulthoods simply because _they_ came out fine from a few slaps...
physical punishment is necessary in moderation
I found that I didn't need physical punishment once I learned about suicide as early as 7, even parents who had no idea to improve their parenting, turning to passivism, who chose to neglect their kids to environment, school society, whose kids still has to get into adult world with a mentally unprepared conditions.
Maybe I needed them punishment to get clear no-nos, but I guess 'adults' always resort to the least understandable things. Its above recoiling from feeling hurt, that thing about blurred out from social cues
@@sleazyyyy YEAH! One good moderate smack across the face will teach those little bastards! Well, hopefully your ring or fingernail doesn't cut their eye, cause you wouldn't want to scare them with their own blood. That wouldn't be very moderate at all. Oh, maybe a soft pillow over their face first before you hit them. That would keep them from bleeding, and definitely from bruising if you should forget to be moderate and hit them twice. YEAH! Little shits always moving at the last second, won't let you get your two moderate smacks in properly. I swear! Kids these days just don't know how to take a good old fashioned parental beating like we used to, am I I right? 🤔 🙄😳
@@BigArt1970 wtf is wrong with you.
That's obviously not what was said.
A smacked bottom teaches a lesson. I would prefer to slap my childs hand than let it touch a hot ring on my stove. Both will cause pain and both will teach a lesson but letting him find out how to burn his hand off is much worse than a little slap on the back of the wrist.
You obviously don't have kids.
@@BigArt1970
Hate to break it to you, but there is a big difference between corporal punishment and outright abuse.
Judging by your viewpoint on corporal punishment, all Asian & Hispanic mothers ought to have CPS taking their kids away left & right. Lmao. What a drama queen!
Working as an intern at my first job, I was very self conscious about my stutter. My boss told me something that I'll keep with me for the rest of my life: the stutter doesn't matter, what matters is your message.
I'm originally from Iowa City Iowa, where the University of Iowa is. The Wendell Johnson Speech and Hearing Center still exists there! They named the building after a man who abused several children. It's so screwed up.
I stutter from time to time, as in once in a blue moon while under pressure, but I wouldn’t label myself as a “stutterer”
I used to stutter when I was little, stopped probably around 7 or 8. I was put through special ed for it (which I hated). Oddly enough, I only remember having it for that short time when I had to go to SE. Wasn't even that bad, just happened every now and then. I've always been pretty positive that the only reason I ever stuttered was simply trying to talk too fast and tripping over words sometimes.
I eventually ended up in gifted classes tho where we studied other languages so that was pretty neat.
I hate that you can learn alot from this, yet society never really did learn at all
They put some of those children through horrid psychological torture
We still act the same in many other instances and scenarios
Yes, it's getting better over time
But horrifyingly some children are still taught that speech differences are wrong and disabilities are bad :(
This has helped me very much, I thank you.
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