Can You combine Oil Paint and Pastels? Yes... You Can!
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- čas přidán 26. 08. 2024
- I've never attempted to use Oil Paint with Soft Pastels, but I was thrilled to discover this new technique of creating an underpainting using oil paints. So, check it out, and if you try it please be sure to share in our Facebook group...
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Susan, I greatly appreciate this video, but applying acrylic (a water-based medium) over oil paint (an oil based medium) is not archival and the acrylic layer may crack or flake off over time. It would be better to use a thin wash of oil over the clear gesso and then use the pastels. I primarily use oils and just wanted to warn you about the potential issues of applying acrylic over oil. I love the idea of an oil based underpainting though.
Oh, thanks so much for that useful info. I have not used oil paints very often, especially combining them. I'll have to make mention of that in my next video where I describe this process. I'm thinking I'll do the same technique using acrylic paints. And perhaps try your suggestion of applying the oil wash over the clear gesso. Thanks again.... very helpful comment.
@@monetcafe Thanks for taking my comment in good stride. I truly appreciate your channel and what you do.
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Thank you again Susan, and yes please bring on the drawing tutorials lol. So happy to get these on CZcams. You are a blessing to all of us.
Hi Susan, am a beginner, started using oil pastel without using underlining of any kind. Im inspired to try those techniques to improve my art work and yes, bring on the tutorials in drawings, too.
Just wanted to add some info for anyone interested in oils. Golden’s site has some guidance about when one could possibly use oils and acrylics together. As another person noted, acrylics cannot be applied over oils because they will ultimately peel off. I’m not sure how that would be different with an oil wash because, as i understand it, the acrylics won’t adhere to oils. I think a better option for texture would be using cold wax with oils and applying them with a speedball roller and palette knife. Also, the cold wax speeds the drying of the paint, which would be done in a couple days. In the meantime, one can work on something else. I usually have several going at once, so that there’s always something that’s dry. The dry time is also valuable because it allows you time to study or observe what you’ve done, which invariably informs whatever is done next.
Also, walnut oil is the slowest drying oil of the oils used. Linseed oil dries faster. Lavender Spike Oil (which is lavender oil) was used by the masters through today. It speeds drying, thins paint, and is a substitute for turpentine (it can be used to clean brushes). Invaluable information and products (including spike oil, which is use) can be found on naturalpigments.com (i have absolutely no association with the site beyond loving their products and the abundance of information they post about all mediums).
I would also note for beginners that it’s important to ensure the oils are applied to a primed surface so it will bind. It’s also best to use separate brushes for oils and acrylics.
Thank you for your videos. I’m enjoying them very much as i learn more about acrylics.
Monet, you are such a doll. I love watching your videos. I am a mixed media artist and I do love pastels..so I was looking into a way to incorporate them. I also want to use this clear gesso to create more pastel working surfaces. You are amazing! Thank You. Maria
is always oil over acrylics, so you can do the underpainting in acrylics very well and pastels over this with no clear gesso needed, Pastels if they are soft you have to fix before further painting but oil pastels are ok.and if you wish to glaze in oil or paint in oil over is perfectly fine, but acrylics over oil will not stick together.
Use baby oil to clean your brushes, no solvents needed. Rule of thumb is oil over acrylic, NOT acrylic over oil, it will not stick well.
AWESOME! Thanks for that tip and I think from here forward I'll apply the oil wash AFTER the clear gesso ;)
Hi Susan I use a couple of products that can form a barrier between the oils and the acrylic gesso both allow water based paints to be applied over oils
ESP Easy Surface Preparation or Zinsser clear Peel Stop available from paint stores
Love your paintings
Wow.... that's such a great suggestion!! Thanks so much. I'll have to get some!
Yes! Drawing instruction would be great. Thanks for all you do!
Hi, my understanding is that acrylic won't stay on top of oil. Oil onto of acrylic is okay, but not the reverse. Therefore, I will use an acrylic under painting, not oil.
Yes, this is what I’ve learned now too. This painting is still in good shape, but best to do what will last. Lesson learned 🤪🤪👏🙌🏻
@@monetcafe Thank you for your reply.m
Dear Susan, I just subscribed your Facebook page.
Thanks for inspiration and motivation.
I have never painted with oil paints.
I always like your videos. You provide great information in a really good format. I would like to point out that oil painters do not advise to use gesso over oil paint if you are looking for an archival painting. Oil on top of gesso is fine, but on top the chemicals will resist each other and separate over time. Just wanted to point that out. Thanks again for what you do for the art community.
Yes.... thanks! This is something I learned “after” making this video. I am always learning too! 👏👍🏻😊
I thought you can’t use acrylic gesso over oil because it will eventually crack or peel off. I’d probably use acrylic paint instead and then use the clear gesso over that before using the soft pastels
Je suis du même avis que les autres critiques de vos abonnés, car ils faut toujours respecter la règle d’or de l’application des médiums soit le “gras sur maigre” ou si vous voulez le mediums gras sur les médiums à base d’eau 😮. Vous pouvez certes trouver des effets textural intéressantes, mais ils ne seront pas permanents 😢. Tenir en tête les notions de base sur comment sont faits les médiums et ça nous donne un fortement un technique de base sur comment et quoi appliquer sans avoir des effets surprises, surtout si vous vendez vos œuvres ou faites des commissions pour clients qui vous paient un bon prix pour votre travail. Faites attention à vous et bonne continuité! Du Canada, Quebec 😊
My mom recently passed and our urn service is coming p this Mother’s Day due to restrictions. I got one of her started oil paintings which was started in traditional oils but wondering if I could use oil pastel crayons because of my disabilities. This is helpful. Thank you
Senrysa, I'm so sorry to hear about your mom. I lost my mom two years ago this month. It's still so hard. I don't think you could use oil pastels with oil paints, unless you used a technique similar to what I have done here. I do think you should try painting on your own however, as it is so therapeutic. Oh, and just so you know, I use soft pastels and not oil pastels. May the Lord bless and heal you sweetheart.
Love the tutorial very much, this oil paint underpainting is just wow🙂
Unfortunately using acrylic bases over oil will cause problems in the long term. Oil overall tends to break down plastics over time, but more immediate than that you will almost certainly get cracking and delaminating occurring between the layers.
I've used pastels and oil together but avoided using them in the same area, the pastels are matte and reflect a lot of beautiful full colour around, and the oils have a glossy surface which can make a very neat combination. If you go over the pastel with an oil brush it will immediately transform the pastel into essentially oil paint, also if you do the opposite. You can wait for the oil layer to harden and go over it. I haven't tried but you could also go over with an oil glaze and maybe add some grit to it, and also haven''t tried to use oil pastels with it, but it seems like it would be an obvious combo to try.
Love your videos, thank you for sharing them with us.
UnbeltedSundew Thanks so much for that information. I’m always learning! I plan to try this again without using any acrylic products on top of the oil paint. I also like your idea of the oil glaze.
Brilliant 🌸
Hi Susan! It has been... a very long time! I hope you are doing well, my friend. This video says you have 20k subscribers. You are doing great at 76k now! Fantastic!
I have switched to Watercolor and Oil painting since being here before. M.Graham does make an Alkyd Walnut Oil that dries even faster. I am currently only using M.Graham products since they are a great company. Be careful everyone, that if you use rags to clean up walnut oil and/or the paints to let the rags sit out, laying flat, for a week so that the rags dry out and do "not" combust. Safety first!
Take care Susan!
Yes drawing skills lesson would be great!
Thank you🌹🌹
Beautiful result!!!
Thanks for that very informative..
amazing thank you ❤
Awesome @heavenread4610, I appreciate that so much!
Beautiful!
Nice
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I enjoyed your video very much. Beautiful work! I would like to know how do you seal such a painting as you made in this video using both, oil paints and pastels? Thank you so much.
Hi @annaleda3537, I never spray a fixative on a soft pastel painting since it always darkens the final image.
To protect my final painting for shipping or storing, I place them in a clear plastic bag I get from www.clearbags.com/bags/flat/flap-tape/crystal-clear. I buy the bags a bit larger than standard sizes so I will have room for the painting and a piece of foamcore board cut to the size of the painting. Here is a video of my process:czcams.com/video/4XD4SezFyBg/video.html&t=209s
They say acrylic over oil is really bad, it will peel off within the year 😳, oh well, I guess we will see, I feel bad telling you this cause you're so sweet, maybe because you did it on that paper it will all stay together, I hope so.
Oh … I’m actually grateful for your comment. This is an old video and I learned about the “fat over lean” principle after making this tutorial. This proves we are always learning 🤗❤️☺️💜 bless you and thanks
@@monetcafe I want to know how it looks in a year, so we can all know, you may be on to something great
Gorgeous art! Please tell us do you have to apply a spray or other fixative to dry before using the pastels over the oil??
Drawing skills and tips would be much appreciated. Thanks.
So you're using the oil as a thin underpainting? Interesting. I love your energy and sharings.
Following the rule of "fat on lean" .. I'd be a bit concerned about putting the gesso over the oil. I'm sure the pastel particles will move with the oil (as it never dries but just hardens). Perhaps a thin layer of something like damar varnish mixed with pumice or marble dust over the oil .. would add just enough texture to help hold the pastel. Further experience or thoughts? TravelingArtista
Yes, thanks Terrilynn. This is something I learned AFTER I did the video. I now keep the fat over lean principle in mind. Blessings!!
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Great, just what I have been looking to see if it can be done. Now retired, do not have the years to obtain true oil painting brush skills but, I can draw and wondered if I could use these skills to improve my paintings. So thank you. Please can you do another but spend more time, more detail and closer shots of applying and blending quality soft oil pastels.
Thanks so much! I’m glad it was helpful. And now you’ve got me motivated to try this again and do another tutorial!
@@monetcafe Thank you Susan, will keep an eye open for it. Just received my Paul Reubens Soft Oil Pastels box set and compared to the Pentel ones a friend gave to me , they are beautiful and blend so well. Already have been touching up some of my old Oil Paintings with them using my fingers and can certainly see the potential of mixing the two mediums.
Is there a substitute for walnut oil?
Not advisable water based acrylic gesso over oil. Especially as it really will not be dry. Oil paint takes ages to cure. You can't dry it with a hairdryer, it's made of oil, basically you are cooking it.
Yes, thanks Veronica. This is what I learned "after" I made the video. I now never advise this order of layering mediums. I think I put a not in the description of this video that I learned what "not" to do. ;)
Yes, better drawing skills
Is it technically stable to apply gesso over oil painting? Thanks.
No, not really. Another commentator has suggested that it would be better to do the gesso coat first, then the oil painting, and then when dry enough, use soft pastels directly onto the oil paint surface
Dear Susan, I'm a new subscriber to your channel and have a question, perhaps I missed it in this video but is it possible to put acrylic clear gesso on oil paints on canvas and put oil pastels on the canvas. Will the Clear gesso mess up the oil painting on the canvas? thank you for your video and thank you for your time.
That’s an interesting question Helen. This is not some thing I normally work with, but I always recommend giving it a try on a small study or sample surface. Hope it works!
I m assuming the pastels are oil pastels not chalk am I right ?
I actually only use "soft pastels" and not oil pastels. :)
Great love it...I suppose you could do the same with acrylic especially for the drying time
Stephen Greico Yes! Absolutely... I’ve used acrylic paint before as an underpainting, but this is a first with oil paint.
I would be interested in anything you have to offer in improving drawing skills and with improving composition.
Kathy Gehres thanks so much for your feedback. I’ll work on some drawing tutorials 👍🏻👍🏻😊
Even though Susan is definitely capable of creating drawing tutorials, in the world of CZcams instructors I find Proko channel is sufficient and effective enough for learning all aspects of drawing from basic to advance.Personally I encourage Susan to continue focusing on painting. Therefore, we create a synergistic art teaching/learning society.
C.C. Lin Thanks for that C.C.I will definitely check out that channel.
Thanks for all you do for us. I notice you always use Liquitex clear gesso but can Finnabair art basics clear gesso be used instead? Is it archival? I haven't been able to find out, even asked Michael's but they didn't respond. Thanks so much. Yvonne.😊
moyke3 hmmmmm .... not sure! I’ll have to buy some. Thanks for this info!
@@monetcafe Be sure that it is the 8.45 oz. Tube. The 9oz. Jar says it is archival but the tube doesn't say. It is used for crafts and comes from China.
Do you seal your paper before you add the oil paint? When you showed the paper is it a canvas like paper or a paper with special coating? I am concerned about what the oil does to the substrate. Thanks!
Great observation, but I double-checked and the surface that I used (the Arteza pad) is suitable for acrylic or oil painting. The paint does not bleed through to the back and it appears to take the paint very nicely.
@@smisch7720 Great observation, but I double-checked and the surface that I used (the Arteza pad) is suitable for acrylic or oil painting. The paint does not bleed through to the back and it appears to take the paint very nicely.
Can we use oil pastel and then oil color for finishing of the painting?
And can we use normal paper for it or will have to use oil sheet only.
Please reply
Did you use straight walnut oil or walnut alkyd
I used straight walnut oil. I have some of the walnut alkyd oil, and I noticed that it dries faster, but it is supposedly high gloss, and I wasn't sure if that would work well for my purposes.
Acrylic gesso over oil paints? Do you have to use the gesso to add pastels?
Can you mix pan pastels with the R&F oil pigment sticks?
I have to cringe slightly at the people commenting about the rules •••
I think this clip was more about feeling free & creative .. & well …just experimenting be it right or wrong ….& what happens happens … rules or not…
Isnt art about the process & enjoying it.. feeling free .
Ive still got a painting from age 12 years old , im 41 now ….that i used “make up “on
Eye shadow .. & i used the cheapest acrylic paints .. & pencils
no gesso , no sealing , gloss no expensive paper .…. it was a mountain scene .. & my mum still has it now , & its still like the first day i painted it … no cracks , no fade ,
One safe easy way to mix oils and pastels is to mix the powder from pan pastels with Linseed or walnut oil. Kind of brewing up your own oil paints. Or If you can follow an old bob ross video and instead of laying down the magic white or liquid clear over your gesso'd canvas, Spread your walnut oil over your toothy pastel paper. Take a white paper towel and thouroughly wipe as much oil off as you can. Next apply your pan pastel or even crushed up pastels with rigid make up brushes on to your lightly oiled paper. In addition, you can use pastel pencils, oil paints, or even powdered charcoal. Or, . . . You can also lay down your pastels first, cover with clear gesso or acrylic paint and paint directly with your oil paints on top. You can even put paint thinner and oil paints in an airbrush for gorgeous results!
Wow... that sounds SO cool! Thanks!
yah I just had major back surgery and I am hoping to start drawing and painting again soon. I am a Graphic Designer/illustrator and Web Programmer for a living and I hate it. I wish I could make a living doing the art I want to, but this is not a reality for me.
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Thank you! Yes, better drawing skills.
This is the 8.45 oz.tube not the 9oz. jar.
Also you should never use synthetic brushes with oil paint.
Thanks!
Fat over lean is for oil painting only as there are no oil or fat in any other mediums. 🤦🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️
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I'm new to oil painting and googled using oil paints with oil pastels. Your video popped up and I was completely disappointed ☹️ that you didn't do what the title of the video said you would be covering. I've just waisted 22:54 minutes of my time. Please be accurate in the titles of your videos.
Sorry to waste 22 minutes of your life. At least east it was free.
Fat over lean is the number one rule in painting using oil. I don't think it is safe to apply soft pastel over oil paint. Please be more responsible in your instruction. Be an advocate for sustainable art.
I believe the fat over lean principle is for wet mediums because of the drying times (oil taking longer to dry than acrylic). Soft pastels are dry and I also never use a thick application of oil with this technique. I’ve never had any issues with any of my paintings using this technique.
I most certainly take my instruction seriously. Your terse comment was not very nice. But I forgive you. ❤️
I came here for the promised content in the title. Over 7 minutes in and I learnt about what music you use and how fast acrylics dry.. this is really not very good. But good news is there are plenty of other you tubers out there
Wow, abusive. Hope you learn from others.