GOD CLOUD THEORY | Is This How Final Fantasy 7 Remake Ends?
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- Here we go! Level 10 max theory on the Final Fantasy 7 Remake, not just for the first FF7R entry but the entire series. The most insane yet awesome ending I could foresee Square Enix running. The GOD CLOUD THEORY I am proposing cannot be explained with normal noodles, imagination, fortified tinfoil hats and fantasy game logic will be needed. Exploring everything from why Sephiroth needs Cloud. The characters who’s death got overturned. Shinra & the Meteor. Parallel timeline theorys. The fate of Aerith and why characters like Tifa, Barrett & Jessie evolved so quickly. All of the things!! I’m hyped to see what everyones reaction to my interpretation of the story after enjoying the dankest livestream playthrough. This Final Fantasy 7 Remake ending blew my mind and can’t wait to see more peoples vid on how they explained the ending. Will be doing a proper review of the game soon but had to launch out full level 10 God Cloud theory ASAP.
WARNING: There will be full spoilers for the ending of Final Fantasy 7 Remake aswell as things like the original story, Advent Children movie and even a bit of type-0. Ending cinematic, cutscenes & a juicily mixed number of the FF7 Remake OST soundtrack will all be appearing in this video! 😉 #FinalFantasy7Remake #Level10 #GodCloudTheory
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I hope they will go to the TFS ff7 universe. I want to see the dumbshit Aerith in remake, shes the bestest best girl.
Except yufi, shes still trash
Aerith telling cloud not to fall in love with her. To me is like her saying that she knows she’ll die since she has seen her death from sephiroth. And she’s also telling cloud how much of an amazing person he is and how’s she’s so glad they met since she never really said these things sincerely in ffvii original
Exactly, but at that point it's already to late to stop him from that. And if she should die either way in the next one, it's gonna break Cloud even more, like he said in this video.
I think it's the opposite, I think she saw the future where Zack survived, and realized that she would be able to see him again.
Basically she knows cloud was thinking he is zach while also being mind controlled by jenova and his real thoughts dont happen until after the life stream.
honestly, I thought there was a second layer of communication. Namely, between the develoopers and the players that fell in love with Aerith and ship her with Cloud. For me it sounded like the developers said through Aerith "don't fall in love with her" because they know that the story will go that either Zack comes back (and she gets back together with him...which I am actually rooting for. They are so frickin cute!) ....or she dies again. Either way. It is a warning by the developers.
why do i believe sephiroth is not the big bad in this game this is why they are making so long in building this
The thing about about a theory like this is, whether or not it’s right, I’ve seen a great video today.
Mangekyo3000 Well said. Pez at his finest.
I love the positive genuine excitement. I enjoyed listening to the theory.
Yeah, what he said!
I was coming to say the same! This guy is great im subscribing lol
Had to take my like back because its at 420 likes.
Level 10 is the realization that this whole game was used to promote Final Fantasy 7: Dancing all Night. Change my mind XD
Or for a gacha mobile game called FF7R: A New Timeline where you pay out the ass frequently to upgrade your version of Gaia to be strong enough to fight other paid for Gaia's ☺️
@@FinalFantasyPeasant My wife just asked why I'm laughing out loud 😆😅👍
Actually, this is a promotion for their new game Final Fantasy: After Crisis where you play as Zack but it's the exact same game as FF7R but with Zack.
From my understanding, this thing with "levels" comes from the KH series and perhaps from Nomura's way of telling stories? It is meant to be some kind of "proof" of intelligence yet it cannot be "levels" if it is actually true because then there would not be a need for levels right? So levels are really just how much people want to find patterns and their creativity so that they only look for possibilities rather than presentation and fact? Please explain why people have been referring to levels to someone that has never engaged in the convoluted plot of KH. In the Max video, I was aware of the possibility of many of the things but all of it was just fan theories.
@@vincentgraymore This is just me but the way I see it is when you talk about levels one is referring to how deep the storyline goes. This is widespread in the KH series but can be found in other games such as Bloodborne. There are no doubt films and TV shows that do the same. It allows for a piece of fiction to be enjoyed on a more "simplified" way or a "deeper" way. Hope that helps.
They're trying to trick me to think I can save Aerith. They'll be breaking me as well as Cloud.
All i know is someones gonna die and im gonna cry.
@@_Beta- same what if Cloud has to die? just a prediction
Pez: makes theory video
Nomura and Nojima: write that down! Write that down!
Square Enix states “we don’t know how many parts we are gonna make” nomura watches this video when thinking of the ending “hmmm I’ll be taking that”
Pls no..i love pez ending but..no..
I'll like this ending sense it has story references to the games but it has to make sense by the end
Not to mention freaking Zack. Zack is alive in another timeline... How the heck does this play out in the next game is another guess all together
@@zekiel2533 Tifa knows Zack though, right? She's always hid a secret from Cloud... I can't rememberrrr!
@@millies1264 she doesn't KNOW him, know him, but she does know who he is i think. He was the one who rescued her in nibelheim, its part of clouds messed up memories.
Dude this theory he have right here is mindblowing and accepted for me. I liked it very much. the story is by SE themselves. we will see how they come up with stuff
One character that we never overlook:
Lucrecia:
She is inside a crystal. She looks like longing for her son, Sephiroth.
(She might be one of key character in countering Sephiroth)
As we know, Sephiroth is a child that longing for a Parent Love, especially Mother Love.
Otherwise, Why SE/Creators are still keeping her alive inside a Crystal, right? (Did they forget about her?)
Yes is SE going to like reveal or cover that at least. Cause its been so long and only Vincent knows. Like can reveal her alr or not SE x'DD
I feel u man. But Lucretia was more like a vessel that gave birth to Sephy. After birth there was no interaction at all between these two. No bond, nothing. Pretty sure Sephy dosent give a dusty fuck about her or her feelings. He is way beyond the point where a mothers love could change his chosen path.
Lucrecia is minor and just a little sidewritten for vincents backstory and because sephiroth needed a womb to be born in. He sees Jenova as his mother.
@@ArchAngelNL She is a minor character but she could have a huge impact on Sephiroth. She was already pregnant, before Hojo injected Jenova Cell to the unborn Sephiroth.
Here the backstory:
Jenova is an ancient organism Shinra excavated from a 2,000-year-old structure, and Gast drew the wrongful conclusion that Jenova was a member of the Cetra, a species of humans said to have been able to commune with the Planet itself, long thought extinct. Shinra sent Hojo and Lucrecia Crescent to assist him in his research to create the Jenova Project, its goal to create a human with the powers of the Cetra to lead Shinra to the Cetra's fabled Promised Land.
(Vincent Backstory.... then)
Lucrecia married Hojo and became pregnant. Then, *Hojo injected cell samples from Jenova into the pregnant Lucrecia and her unborn baby*. (aka Project S)
After the baby was born, he was taken by Shinra scientists and Lucrecia never had a chance to hold him.
When he grew up, Shinra told him nothing of his true parentage, instead saying his mother's name was "Jenova"
NOTE: All those research happened in Nibelheim.
Gast left the project upon discovering Jenova is not a Cetra, and continued his research on the Cetra in his laboratory at Icicle Inn. (Gast = Aerith's Father)
(Several years later before Nibelheim Incident)
Sephiroth read all the research data and documents related about him. Which they thought of Jenova as Cetra. This is where he got all the wrong information about his mother and lineage.
@@putrahardjono4409 nice breakdown dude, I however knew all that. I just finished up my umptienth playthrough of OG ff7 just the other day. Jenova is arguably Sephiroth's real mother due to her infecting him with her cells and instilling him with power and a mission to become the dark harbinger he has become. He is not sentimental but ruthless. I can not imagine him ever turning because of anything Lucrecia could ever do. Lucrecia in the OG ff7 was, like I stated, a sidecharacter to flesh out Vincent's story. To give motivation for Vincent to fight this evil creation of Hojo and the woman he loved. It also provides backstory for Sephiroth to show how he was actually made seeing as Jenova was nothing more then a fossil. The only twist she could ever provide would be to inform Vincent that she was already pregnant before she hooked up with Hojo meaning Vincent is actually Sephiroth's biological father. This is something i completely expect square to do. Making Lucrecia more then a means of story revelation but be an actual influence on Sephiroth's character would break that character completely and destroy it forever. Sephiroth needs to be cold, unfeeling, ruthless and a puppet master. That does not get changed by someone going im your mommy and let me kiss it all better.
I think Cloud will have to die because Sephiroth will always exist as a part of Clouds memory and we know memory is directly linked to the lifestream. It seems like Aerith is changing events via communion with the lifestream for this to happen.
At this point Sephiroth is in too many people's memories
I agree, Cloud has to die in order to end Sephiroth once and for all; and to save the planet and his friends
@@56Tyskie but not everyone has Jenova cells, Cloud does. And it’s been stated that Cloud is the reason Seph keeps coming back. They are connected. And that means that eventually Seph will win. I mean Cloud will age and get too old to kick Seph ass. So yeah, I think it’s possible that Cloud might need to die to finally permanently kill Seph. But would SE do that? Killing Cloud would cause a huge uproar among fans
Nomura himself will be the final boss, you have to stop him from changing the story.
It's final fantasy, not NieR
I'd buy
@@Anddroiden omg, if nomura could find a way for me to play FF7Remake 16 times, to get every ending. I would play that. It might take a few years. But I would (at the same time, i know that aspect of nier automata has turned people off of it, which is fair)
The original game and story intends all humans to die after 500 years. This is not literally a remake of the game. It's more likely a continuation of the story where in the heroes now are trying to rewrite the history to prevent the 500 years tragedy from happening.
You do realized the story has never been completed. Remake is not to be taking into literal terms. has this is the Fifth and final part of the series.
This dude always has the wildest most thought out theories, so well done to the point that I'd be surprised if half of these didn't happen
Holy shit. The Promised Land part got me mind blown! Your theory also give a whole meaning to why the city of ancients is called the FORGOTTEN CITY. The FORGOTTEN CITY is now "remembered" with Cloud making the promise to Aerith as he lays her body there.
Wow. Even if you’re way off, holy damn you should have been in the writing room.
Love this theory. If you rewatch the first trailer again with this in mind, it takes on a wholeeee other meaning:
"Long ago, we looked upon a foreboding sky. The memory of the star that threatened all burns eternal in our hearts. In its wake, came an age of silence. Yet, with each fond remembrance, we knew those encountered were not forgotten, that some day we would see them again. Perhaps it was no more than wishful thinking, but after the long calm there are now the beginnings of a stir. The reunion at hand may bring joy, it may bring fear, but let us embrace whatever it brings, for they are coming back. AT LAST, THE PROMISE HAS BEEN MADE."
HOLY CRAP! The promise has been made :O i didn't even clock that, wow!
Narrator = Red XIII talking to his kids about the 500 year age of silence/long calm, and imminent resurgence of humans?
DJ Chamber your mind!!
@@FinalFantasyPeasant You should pin that comment to the top of the comments section.
@@DJChamber Nah, different voice. The narrator was Jiraiya who sank so deep into the water that he became part of the Lifestream.
The part about the Promise Land got me. It would be a beautiful way to finally get a resolution to what the Promise Land is since that was never explained. T_T
I hoped enough people would last until that part of the long ass video to see that bit :D. Tifa and Cloud made a promise that served as the foundation to the beginning of the FF7 story. Let the one between Cloud and Aerith be the conclusion. Beautiful waifu symmetry ya! :P
Wasn't the promised land supposed to be afterlife in the planet's lifestream?
@@FinalFantasyPeasant YES. One promise to kickstart the journey, another promise to end it all. Beautifully poetic and does justice to all the characters. Loved it pez!
@@mactiger98 thanks the thing noone knows. Aerith never did, the game never really explained it. The promised land is pretty open ended
@@mactiger98 Check my Video! It's shown in my video! lol
On the subject of Aerith, I think she knew more about the future in the beginning in the game (though if it's through time travel or not, I don't know), but I think as the Whispers touched her, they took away some of those memories (I think that's what Aerith meant when she said that she loses part of herself every time they touch her, and that she's lost in a maze), because they don't want her to be able to change what they see as destiny.
And I had the same theory that FFVII Remake could be the Promised Land;)
Great work as always, Pez! Keep it up!:)
marcus24000 The planet wants to wipe the humanity as it seems humans as a threat to its own existence due to exploitation of mako. Spoiler: If you remember/played the original game, it releases weapons when black materia is summoned, which start to attack Midgar and people in general, you have to defeat 3 of them. Now back to Red 13’s vision which shows the ending of FF7. At the end of the FF7 and advent children, we get 500 years later with Red 13 and his family looking at deserted Midgar with overgrown vegetation and complete silence except for the birds. We don’t see people, so I’m guessing humans eventually became extinct, even when they stopped using mako after defeat of Sephiroth and shinra. I’m guessing with whispers, it’s similar, it’s sort of protection mechanism, that wants to get rid of humans/protect original story for the sake of the planet as in the original ending humans become extinct which allows the planet to survive for longer. By changing destiny, yes you could still defeat Sephiroth and shinra and humanity may or may not stop using mako, the planet may or may not die...sorry if I’m confusing, I’m trying to hypothesise that whispers just like the weapons (Ruby, emerald and so on) are protective mechanisms that planet uses to save itself regardless if the end result is good for humanity or not.
I like to think that Sephiroth was making tiny alterations to the story. But Aerith was the one who straight up changed fate when she altered Sephs portal. She threw a card in the mix to save Zack, so that the group could have another pair of hands, especially one who has personally dealt with Sepiroth. With those extra hands, it would allow cloud or Zack to save jessie and biggs during the plate falling. Even though the timelines are split, they may converge at the reunion, and Zack will be there to help. A companion arc simultaneously playing at the same time as our timeline. They wanted to do something similar with FF13 versus, but it got scrapped. This may be their attempt at something similar. But thats just a theory I have. It doesn't alter the major plot points we will experience. But it sets up extra story for us to either experience or maybe even play.
Omg.. it would mean that if Cloud achieves the Promise...
Aerith will finally return to the planet.. because he job is officially done...😔
"The Flowers, their trying to tell us something, but 1st something needs to happen for us to hear them"... 😫😭🦋
This theory literally brought me to tears...
I am shook.. tbh.. Square needs to hire you.. because I cant UNSEE this theory happening now..
I love the theory but I'm dying over Chairith Painsbrough 😂
I love the parallel universe theory and I am all in for it, but I really hope they're not going for Cloud becoming a god. Makes 0 sense in the narrative sense. Becoming a god is not his goal OR his "need". It serves nothing in his development. The great thing about this character in 7 was that he was a nobody who wanted to be somebody but his NEED was to accept himself and accept the love he gets so he can forgive himself and live on. Becoming a god is more a "want" than a "need", and Cloud never wanted that, so it makes 0 sense for him to need that or for the story to conclude like that.
I really don't want them to ruin another good story with the "chosen one" syndrome. Cloud was just a guy so ashamed of not being high ranked that he didn't show his face in his own town, and grew to be someone who could defeat a god-obsessed, powerful man even though he was no god himself.
Doing this to him would defeat the whole purpose of the story and ruin the thematic experience.
This theory is surprisingly elegant.
I'm very touched by it.
Especially the eco-friendly Neo Midgar as a promised land for humanity.
Heaven?
They did show concept designs for Neo - Midgar surrounded by trees and it seemed less industrial. The blueprints are already there.
@marcus24000 heaven and hell dont exist the earth is God and female
For those wondering about multiple timelines/universes, please look at how the concept is visited in popular Japanese culture. The best example is Stein’s Gate. It discusses world-lines, divergence and memory bleed. In this framework, everything starts to make sense
"Follow them, the yellow flowers"
*sees Aerith tucking the yellow flower on Cloud's chest where his heart is*
Ahh... follow your heart.
She said follow your heart to Tifa though. Tifa ran up the pillar and found Cloud. Cloud gave the flower to Tifa. soooo.....
@@silverwield7379 well yeah, she knows Tifa will always be there for him cause she helped out in the OT timeline in Cloud's Mind.
*Kingdom hearts intensifies*
May your flower be your guiding heart ?
What if aerith dies in front of zach, because square wants you to cry.
Sephiroth steals zack's body who is stricken by grief from aerith's death, cloud is broken from the loss, and tifa needs to step up and bring him back to fufill his promise to her and defeat sephiroth.
I dunno sounds alright to me. I feel like having both zack and aerith dead needs to happen. I know it sounds heartless, however dealing with loss was a huge aspect of the original. If they take that out, it takes away one of the biggest aspects of the game's magic.
@@joshuafallet5690 that sounds actually good ngl. I was just shitposting because I think all the outrage is kinda funny. I hope they end up going with that route, though.
Instead of just putting the heartless in and cloud has to gather the seven keyblade fragments with aerith's ghost and mickey mouse to defeat sephiroth's final form(which is actually just nox or whatever that one guy kept trying to make)
When Aerith says she knows Cloud looks good in a dress in the wall market, you know she's from the future.
AriPlays she’s not from the future. The planet talks to her. Seth, is from the future. He doesn’t hear the planet yet still knows everything.
She gets her info from the mana stream. The opening song where it shows Aerith, is called “Survive, Said the Prophet.”
@@rjdriver88 Original Aerith is also a part of the lifestream. If she transfer her experience to her past self through the lifestream, it is one way of time travelling if you really think about it. In her dream sequence with Cloud, FFR Aerith sounds like she experienced more than just her journey with Cloud in the remake but also all what happened in the original storyline when she mentions "the moments and memories". Honestly, until we know more about the new story either from the creator's confirmation or through later story release, these are only theories.
AriPlays has anyone beat it on Hard??? It’s damn near impossible for me atm
River Valley University if your playing the hard mode you want to be near max lvl and have certain Materia masters. Like raise, chakra and a few others since you can’t use items or restore MP from benches.
I wonder where Aerith saying "I'll be going now. I'll come back when it's all over!" in the OG fits into all of this. 🤔
If you think of it, the og begins and ends with aeriths face.... almost like the whole thing was a vision
dilly dally shilly shally
Someone said that in the Remake Aireth opens her eyes in contrast to her closing them in the end of the OG so it’s like she just saw the vision of the original game
P R E A C H ! 💯👏🏼🌟
Ho boy this was a fun one to put together! So what are your thoughts and theories on where this mad ship is sailing? See if any or much of this could be true, would you even want it? (hit dat poll) :D
-Spoilers-
I think this would be particularly dope because then it would make humanitys time within the lifestream not just a judgement for sins. But it would also kinda be like their pilgrimage? The lifestream travels continent to continent healing and nurturing so in the end, they relived the journey the Cetra did before returning home XD
sadly not even close to what really going on at all. everything in this game is in ff7 lore and i do mean everything. this game is nothing more expanded story with all ff7 lore in it. like they told would be. nothing more and everything in this game is what the devs wanted for the OG game but tech was not good enough. i could care less if they do go with timeline stuff since the game was great, but all the evidence is pointing that not gonna be the case.
i mean did you see how is Kingdom hearts Story you will never solve it ...
Try to get Max on! You two would have an awesome discussion about this!
Final Fantasy Peasant ah the Taoist philosophy, this would be interesting if they do add this element into it. ☯️
Keep up the good work Pez. Even when I don’t fully agree with the theories I still find the subject matter and speculation interesting.
Another thing is the flowers that aerith gives to cloud.
It means: REUNION.
I think they literally are Remaking the main story line.
They totally are. Aerith telling Tifa like "I gotta save Marlene, right?" At the point in time, Aerith hadn't heard about Marlene etc. Also, Zack is alive. It's Finn who Barret keeps talking about leaving dog graffiti everywhere.
@@Cooil1 Tifa does mention Marlene in the sweres..
Awesome video as always! I never even thought of the idea of Sephiroth needing Cloud as a host! So cool. I can get on board with this theory. I mean cuz it seems to follow og with an expanded seasoning. Square prolly watchin this video like, "Yeah we can make that work!" haha
This is fantastic, however, I want this remake to cement sephiroth as the undisputed op villain in the game industry.
Yeah and that would completely shut those Kefka fanboys up!
@marcus24000 yes, he is but some people would still argue with that. He will play the ultimate villain in the remake.
@@formalhault5820 there are no kefka fanboys. There are only sephiroth lovers and sephiroth haters. Sephiroth haters always bring some character from different games to prove their logic.
he cant be when cloud whoops his ass EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. NO. SWEAT.
@@sadb0ii What do you expect? He is a villain, must be defeated. By the way, he never really goes for a kill against cloud.
This is almost exactly my theory, that the event caused by jenova was actually an interruption of the reincarnation cycle of their world.
I just a way to save Aerith. Maybe make it a secret. That's all I want.
Literally one of the best theories of the remake I have seen beside's Max's level 4 stuff. Would not mind at all if this is how it goes down.... but man accepting Aerith is gonna be hard for me.. I dont know if I can do it man
*silently weeps*
If this is even remotely accurate it will top even Kingdom Hearts level craziness, I love it!!!
If you guys can remember, was it Nomura or Kitase, but on the commentary of the compilation of FFVII, they said that the REMAKE was supposed to be the next addition after CC or DoC. So in a way, the Remake we have now is sort of part of the Compilation. The way the Remake is told now, with its story and all was probably the how they would've done back then if the Remake had been greenlit for the compilation.
Dayuuum you have me convinced. I hope the game developers see your video because I wouldn’t be surprised if they haven’t even figured out where they are taking the plot. And with the kingdom hearts guy involved, it could get MESSY fast. What a beautiful theory
You really weren't lying. This sounds like a fan fiction. XD
It's really far over the top, but it's some epic shit.
I haven’t even played this game but all of these theories about Aerith’s death have me all emotional.
Two big tells that something was wrong was that moment when Cloud sheds a tear and when Areith says something of the effect of "Maybe I should just give up...It's what I do best."
For the characters still alive, I reckon it's going to be a "Final Destination" kind of theme where those destined to die WILL die. Kind of happened with Wedge, because you could hear glass shatter as the Whispers swept him away, insinuating he was thrown out of a window. We don't know where in the building he was - could have been on the 60th floor or the 1st? Haha... So I think it's not a matter of "when" they die - more a matter of "how".
Reeve also hinted at it, where there is a debt to the planet, which must be repaid - maybe Cloud has to keep that in mind if he is ever given the power to put things right?
Wasn’t he on the floor where Mayor Domino was? Assuming that he was aware of the Avalanche chopper reaching the roof he was probably on his way up there to meet them. Also if there is a debt to be repaid and they wish to subvert our expectations it’s possible that Cloud could die in place of Aerith. But Aerith also speaks as if she knows she’s still destined to die regardless of them defying fate. Yet, Sephiroth wouldn’t want that since he’s probably not summoning meteor this time. It’s so difficult to tell with just the first installment.
He saw Barret, Aerith and Red going down in the elevator. That Elevator stopped on the 59th floor for the Arsenal battle. Which means Wedge was at least 60th floor.
Wedge got yeet out from 60th floor damn
My theory.
Jesse: “coming to my house later”
Cloud: choose “no promise”
*butterflies effect*
BAD END
Plot twist: this whole time Cloud was meant to make babies with Jessie
@Nano I will defy destiny for Jessie 😗🎶
I could barely watch scenes with Jessie as I already knew it would hurt. I knew my heart was gonna break again. I persevered, with tears in my eyes, to the obvious conclusion... but of course they left it connected by a thread of hope.
@@sicwriter we will defy destiny for Jessie together #saveJessie
@@xmixaplix for real. Why else would they bring everyone back but her. My love.... my.. dear #savejessie
See if this theory does become reality, I'd love to see a kind of Dark Knight Returns ending. So it'll be Cloud and the gang overlooking Midgar where Zack died and it's flashing between Zack and Aerith in the lifestream and Cloud and the rest of the gang overlooking midgar. Then while the gang walk away he speaks to Zack and Aerith and says something along the lines of "I'm sorry, I'll live for you both." Cloud then plunges the Buster Sword into the ground excalibur style and then looks up and says "It'll be a good life" then you see Zack and Aerith walk up behind cloud Advent Children style and then he lets out a small chuckle then says "Good enough". Then it cuts to black and the credits play.
Imagine if they pull a complete 180 though! We find out at the end that Sepheroth has removed all the corruption in himself from Jenova but Cloud has to sacrifice himself so that Sepheroth can use his body to come back as he is the only one strong enough to finally stop fate or something? Imagine being able to take control of Sepheroth in the final battle with all his skill available!!!
Maybe Sephiroth came back in time and decided to go full Aizen and Cloud is his Ichigo.
Clouds eyes and power, the lifestream, everything that happens just leads me to think Hojo's experiment was creating a new Cetra in Cloud.. That failed, so he went with creating a blend, or hybrid, rather than a Cetra from scratch as he did with Cloud. Sephiroth wasn't enough, so go the next step with Cetra-Cloud, that fails, go back to Sephiroth-like clones. That's really the only thing (to me) that explains his ultimate power and that time and time again, he's able to best Sephiroth.
(Edit: Clouds eyes are most similar to Aeriths, imo. Depending on the scene, if you notice they tend to change depending on what he's doing, or the power he's exerting. Plus, Seph and clones usually have slits or cats eyes.. Cloud never does.)
At least I'm not the only one who spotted Cloud had different coloured eyes in certain cutsenes, I think Cloud is part Cetra and part Jenova born with Cetra blood meaning his real mum was a Cetra. He gained Jenova cells from Hojos experiment when captured.
@@KJames2345 come to think of it we never really have any much info about Cloud's mom...
@@MarkGeuel We don't know anything about his dad either, do we? I thought his dad was unknown. Aerith's mother could have had a brother.
"..I will never be a memory"
*- Advent Children Sepiroth*
Parhaps sepiroth live in the ocean of memories of every people on this planet, yes and beyond the 4th wall. He foresee the ending of FF7 event & wanted to change the course of history, das why he needs cloud, because cloud posses that ultimate power that not even fate can resist, the *plot armor.*
We're going beyond 4th wall bois
Plot Twist: since FF7 and FFX are somewhat connected, the reason why Sephiroth is still alive and can change his appearance is because he is a Fiend, since they're no summoners like Yuna, he can't fully die without a proper sending.
@@soraxstacy1477 that connection has been debunked by SE themselves years ago
@@soraxstacy1477 how are they connected? Becouse the helm? I am pretty sure that was just easter egg.
Ya know I've been thinking..do you guys remember what RedXIII said (after you've beat the first whisper) about *"glimpse of the future if we failed here"* it is the vision of the event that took place after the FF7 has ended, when we defeated the whisper we somehow *changed the timeline* & created new event which did not happened in the OG
(yes the *Sepiroth battle at the highway)*
Then we get the ending where zack & biggs *survived from death*
(again these new reality was triggered *after we've beaten the whisper)*
*"More like the Arbiter of Fate"*
- Barret (final battle againts the whisper)
*"..That which lies ahead does not yet exist"*
- Sepiroth (Edge of creation)
(the future *as we know* is changing)
The whisper is no more to protect the timeline.
Just my guest but if this is true ..then *her fate will also change*
*"we can, we will."*
- Aerith.
This story already exists: it's called neon genesis evangelion
lol
Nope it's United Colors of Benetton
and FF13 :)
Listen 👏🏼💯🌟
😢😢 bloody beautiful that was mate🔥🔥🔥 someone get this genuis a meeting with square ASAP!!!!!
The "promised land" was the lifestream that all cetra "return" to.
i dont know how im gonna emotionally cope with aerith death this time around with SE's integration of excellent facial expression and dialogues. yes, i shed a manly tear in chapter 12 charlie sheen and thirstymcthirst uttered their dying words
This was such a nice video man! It makes so much sense but even if it don’t happen it was still a really good video
You really put the work in. Great job dude! I was in tears a couple times honestly
ohoho another theory, ever since i beat VII Remake (and plat) i always finds theories about what will happen next in the game, this is very welcome especially from pez
tbh i find it very enjoying hearing somebody else's theory
thanks compadre! It was one of the best few days of editing ive truly enjoyed :D love ff7
"Bad news boss, this dude just nailed the whole f*ckin plot" - Square Employee
Boss Nomura & Nojima: Then let's push it past the redline!!!!!!!
Lol cracked me up
This was an excellent video. The theories and explanation you gave really does make sense and im curious how square Enix gonna play this out. So Looking forward to it.
I don't really feel like we can use the term "fan-fictiony" when the original creators are the ones making this game. It's about as canon as you can get.
Fin Fen
That’s a fact many people seem to forget 😂
Agreed
But it's been 25+ years... so they've had a lot of time to grow as creators and forget their original intentions when they created the OG. So it really can be "fan-fictiony" when they've had so much time apart from it and its legacy has really taken on a life of its own. As someone who wasn't terribly impressed with Advent Children, I'm just worried they're going to end up destroying that legacy.
@@AliceinJapanaland
The original game was about loss and how to deal with it. No one can take that away from anyone who played the OG or wants to play the game again. It is set in stone.
But if the creators want to expand on THEIR world, characters and THEIR story, that is their right as the creators and people need to accept that and let what this new series is going to be, just be. The legacy is never going to be not intact. The new story doesn't write over the original, it expands on it in a different way, and probably with a different message.
Also, nothing is confirmed in the new game, but if you didn't like the canon Advent Children, I might have some bad news for you on where this story is going...
@@finfen9730 I think that's an oversimplification of what the OG was about because there's more than one theme but that's besides the point.
Yeah, there is a way the creators can ruin it if they essentially unwrite the story with time traveling interdimensional antics. If what comes next in the story undoes what came first, most people couldn't play the OG again without that understanding. Also no one is claiming the creators don't have a right to rewrite the story either so your lecture is unnecessary (and condescending). But the writers themselves said they were interested in the thoughts and ideas of their audience so why shouldn't gamers respond to it? Any creation is subject to critique by its viewers anyway, so telling people to basically shut up and just accept whatever is given is just silly.
Also, I didn't say I disliked AC just that I wasn't impressed. It didn't really add much value - it just felt like they thought they needed to write a better ending to the OG but ended up writing a mediocre ending instead. In any case, it's precisely because later works by the creators have not lived up to the level of greatness that the OG achieved that I worry about how later installments to the remake will go. However, they've done a pretty fantastic job so far with this first part so I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt for now. Just can't shake the feeling that going down the time traveling path typically ends up with stupid convoluted stories almost wherever it's been tried when the story doesn't start out as a time traveling story.
OMG that's rough them having this high hopes in changing their destiny but failing miresably by letting cloud kill Aerith further breaking him as a person. But I would like sephiroth to kill Aerith cuz i cannot with Cloud.
Nice theory i like it. Instead of cloud, Zack being the vessel and how that happens. Zack see's aerith death and makes him weak. Sephiroth is alive through Zack
This is SUCH a great analysis and theory. Love your work Pez!
Been waiting for your theories!!
2 weeks after release: Level 4 theories
1 month after release: Level 10 theories
by the time part 2 comes out: Level 9000 theories
Spargon nope it’s over 9000!!!
Some people say Aerith needs to die for the plot. I don't think so. She summoned Holy way before Sephiroth even got the Black Mataria. And as far as I remember, her death wasn't a requirement to use it. Also, I don't see what Sephiroth would gain from killing Aerith at that point.
Holy is activated through a prayer, which is what Aerith was doing at the city of the ancients. So I agree that maybe she didn't have to die, but she didn't "activate" it until that point.
Aerith needed to die as in doing so she could muster the life force to defend the planet
She knew that only with both defenses in play could she sway the power to her side and she relied on sephiroth's desire to kill her to take her there. It would take days if not hours for her to return fully to the planet. Even then she only just manages to reach and bring together the life force in time to destroy meteor at the last few seconds the 7 seconds before fatal impact would occur and the final kill stroke cloud would use on sephiroth and saving the planet and all life that lived on her. In short Aerith in her heart needed and had to die to make any of what they have done or will do worth it.
Just let aerith swim in the mideel lifestream reservoir how hard is that?😁
Pez, I have been following you for a long time. But this right here is probably one of the most amazing insights you’ve had. I would 100% buy this. Cheers!
I don't care if your videos are a month late - your point of view and theories, as well as your enthusiasm is what I look forward to. Keep on making your masterful videos brother Pez!
FFVII remake just turned into Attack on Titans.
Or it could be that he wanted to break Cloud’s psyche to take over his body, and hence he can absorb the lifestream to himself.
Yes was thinking that too. When cloud and seph clashed swords at the redge of creation. Seph said ' not yet ' not yet as in, not ready to take cloud over?
@@mrsgamer9218 Looking forward to the next part while I complete Hard Mode. I love this game.
marcus24000 Maximillian_Dood has a discussion that the 3 harbingers of fate that you fight are possibly Loz, Yazoo and Kadaj.
@marcus24000 for the humans its a bad ending, not the planet. The planet will keep on living, but humans will die off in 500 years.
Every video I watch about it makes me love that game even more. Great video.
This video and the one by Sleepezi are the best theory videos I’ve seen
uh, we know the meteor didn't destroy humanity, because advent children exists.
Advent Children is the future which exists after they stopped the meteor
@@alexfullerton8099 how many futures are there?
YOU GOTTA GET MAX ON AND BOTH OF YOU HAVE TO TALK ABOUT FF7R!
Yep.
Shit this needs to happen
I wonder if we will have to make a decision on who to save during those 7 seconds because Sephiroth said how will you use it to Cloud. He also said "maybe you have enough time, but what about the others?", further implying that we will need to make a decision on who to save and who dies.
I love your take Pez, I don’t necessarily agree with it but I love that it’s the most unique theory I’ve seen so far. I hope you make more theories we can discuss
The original open is Aerith with eyes open, she then visions the events of the game, at the end she opens her eyes from the vision; at the start of the remake she opens her eyes like at the end of the original, so it picks up where the end of the original left off. Aeriths knowledge of the events to come is from the vision she had which is the entirety of the original game.
You are a bloody genius
As long as tifa survives and gets together with cloud I dont mind what square enix does.
Cloti is your only demand for end game? Simple demands, I can respect XD
Screw Tifa and Cloud ships! Square forgot the most important relationship, Cloud and the OG FF7 Body Builders!
@@FinalFantasyPeasant yeah it always bothered me how they put the secret scene under the high wind if you had a date with her in addition to cloud clearly liking her before leaving nebelhiem to join soldier plus she helped piece his mind back together and then messed it up in advent children they also seem to be pushing hard for it in the remake as well so fingers crossed but there is a rumour that tifa is going to die because of a scene where it showed barrett and tifa getting killed by sephiroth and it came true for barrett :(
This will not happen cause cloud is very much in love with aerith:( sorry dude
part 2 being soon made me replay and get back into it, and dive into theory videos to fill the waiting space. and boy. this suggested ending is making me so emotional. i love it, and your love and joy for ff7 is moving. seen your other ff7r theory videos too and all are making me think and enjoyed them all. i'd like it if the ending wasn't humanity all dies, even if it's not an entire happy ending as it honors the themes as stated
Interesting theory, but the idea of Cloud becoming a god of sorts kinda undermines Aerith's character and her whole mission of helping the party in her spiritual form inside the Lifestream. Him becoming a vessel for Sephiroth does makes sense, since that was pretty much what he was in the original, with Sephiroth manipulating him through Jenova to make him fetch the Black Materia and give it to him in the Northern Crater.
Also, the reason why characters start bonding so fast is because Square wanted this game to be a fully fledged Final Fantasy experience, hence why we have this big epic boss fight at the end with the Whispers and Sephiroth, instead of the final boss of the game being Motor Ball.
He couldn't accept her death the first time around, what makes you think he'll stand for it the second time?
I think the real question is: Can WE, the player accept her death? Or if presented the opportunity that may look as simply as a ‘This or That’ choice will significantly impact the end of the world we’re experiencing and the world we love? 🤔🤯
@@Seraphina_FF14 Good. Because that is the story
@@jamestyler3606 That WAS the story. Or rather that's the story FF7 tells. FF7re is a continuation of the events in the FF7 universe. It's not the same story. So they can, and should change her fate. Everything else would feel immensely cheap after having finished FF7re. Aerith says: The future isn't set in stone. Sephiroth says to Cloud: The future is up to you (japanese version). And Destiny is defeated. They really can go a different route this time around or offer several decision-based endings.
@@Seraphina_FF14 Yes it is cheap. Zack's sacrifice means nothing anymore and Aerith's death means nothing cause she waifu. It's false advertisement in the worse way possible. Capcom did a much better job with their remakes.
@@jamestyler3606 Your opinion. I love the remake immensely. But it's the same with Tlou2 - some people like the new story / others don't. That said however, FF7re to me, is not only a far more enjoyable game than Tlou2 or FF7, but also my fav game ever so far. And that to no small thanks to my FF7 experience from 1997 & the changes made to the game, which made everything more exciting. FF7 thus remains an important game, still worth experiencing, while the new FF7re story offers a whole new, exciting take on it. I therefore want them to change things further. And I enjoy every minute, I once more get to spend with my fav characters. (Something Tlou2 failed to do.)
But anyway... We can only wait and see how those scenes will play out. And I also don't expect to get all the answers in part 2. ;)
PS. Aerith was always waifu material. ^^ (Though this remake made her the best there is. ^^) And Cloud is also only alive thanks to Zack. But we really don't know yet, what will happen (in this alternate timeline).
God Cloud theory. It had to happen. =D
Gotta say though, you've put such serious arguments and consideration down for it that it's actually not a crackpot theory. It's got some basis. Well done...I'm sure Kitase is eating this up. ;D
Your theories always make sense. As crazy as they are you always use some critical thought processes. Great video!
Absolutely love this theory. It's so well put together. Thank you for putting this all together. It actually put me in a contemplative (good) state.
the Ancients flashback "nomadic hippies" as you call them that scene reminds me of FFX
FFX is a prequel to FFVII anyway
you know what, when I was younger my ideal idea of the FF7 remake was a remake that encompassed all the events of the compilation, all the way from crisis core through to advent children and I thought thats crazy that would be far too long but I am starting to believe it is gonna be a reality with the added stuff of the timelines which usually I would hate but the more I have thought about it then the more I am beginning to realise it makes sense within the parameters of Sephiroths power and his will over the life stream
Thing is the compilation never showed a potential time travel for any character and that's what bothers me so much.Because the remake can include so many things from the compilation without travelling in time or changing destiny
That’s what I think they are doing... they aren’t just remaking ff7 they are remaking the entire lore and connecting it to the original game through the remake.
I’m in a wait and see approach right now. But the amount of care that was put into the first 95% of this game makes me think that they wouldn’t just throw it all away in order to change the story just for the sake of changing the story.
I think they are taking the old story... sprinkling in and connnecting some of the lore, and at the end of the day we will end up with the same story at the end it we may get there a little differently.
This additional story element will be occurring concurrently with the old story... but I don’t feel like it needs to fundamentally change anything drastically.
Amazing my friend, for sure. Nice work!
The original ending of the game did not wipe out humanity. The entire game struggled with whether or not humans were considered evil by the planet as Bugenhagen discussed. At the very end of the duel between Sephiroth and Cloud, the life-stream surrounds Cloud and in that moment recognizes that humans are inherently good. Humans saved the planet against Jenova and Sephiroth AND enabled it to release the life-stream.
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I say this because at the very, very end after Nanaki runs up to the edge of the cliff with his kids, the FF7 logo appears. As it does, you hear children laughing and playing, living happily 500 years later. All the damage with Midgar was reversed and humans live in better harmony with the planet. Not to mention Aerith wouldn't let the planet wipe out humans, especially if that meant all of her friends dying.
I started playing the OG after the remake with a fresh perspective. I believe there's a third entity in the lifestream who is doing the same as Aerith and Sephiroth. A third person who, even in the OG, seems to see the event of the future, and even states that they want to try and go against fate. They even mention that the fate they saw is the one we all know and must accept: "Everyone dies eventually. Even if you were to stop the reactors. Even if they stop Sephiroth now, everything will still perish...the damage has been done. But...that's not to say we can't try." They only convey this information to Nanaki, knowing full well that he will live on after the death of humans.
But here's a direct quote from this person:
"As a part of the planet, something to help the planet in misery. No matter what happens, it is important to try. Am I just wishing against fate?”
He doesn't want this future. Right now, there's nothing he can do. But...as a part of the planet? Bugenhagen mentions many times that he is old. That he isn't going to live much longer. It could very well be that he, like Aerith and Sephiroth, could transfer knowledge after death to himself in the past. I fully believe that there's a Lifestream Grey we have yet to see. Bugenhagen in Part 2 will have a new tale to tell for definite.
Sephiroth = Fire, consciousness, order and mascilinity.
Aerith = Water, unconsiousness, earth and feminity.
Clouds occur when you combine fire and water.
Both Aertih and Sephiroth are the universe guiding Cloud to become a god himself, in his own universe where he will guide his own faith, and isn't led by both Sephiroth and Aeris anymore. Sephiroth isn't bad he basically creates challenges for cloud to become strong and stop being alone and depressed and make him accept that evil is also a part of life and him, but you can use this for strength when it is balanced. He also guides cloud directly when he takes over consciousness of cloud. Aerith is the subconcious so her influence is more subtle and is seen in the world itself, in connections and love.
In order to become the god of his own universe and no longer be a puppet, he has to find the strenght to defeat Sephiroth, as well find love for other people as a reason to fight. And thus Cloud who was alone and nihalistic has created his own meaning to his existence, going from samsara, which is basicly an egg in which a person grows (the old midgar), to nirvana where the world is how he wants it and sees it and wants to fight for (the new midgar).
But Aeris and Sephiroth both have to die for this to happen (a snake eating his own tail), Aeris is basically clouds "spiritual" mother so that is also why he can't fall in love with her.
damn
Yes, dig this!
I have a prediction: What if Cloud has to die in order to end Sephiroth once and for all and to save the planet and his friends? cuz of him having the Jenova Cells in his body
Yoooooo. This sounds utterly ridiculous, but also totally plausible. Kudos!
Wow....mindblown....how did you manage to think that far and make it wholesome??? I love this theory a lot!
Square enix watching this: "WRITE THAT DOWN WRITE THAT DOWN"
I like this theory a lot. Sephiroth clearly wants to keep Cloud alive and I don't know what to think about the idea that Sephiroth is somehow tied to Cloud and cannot die as long as Cloud is alive (a whole Potter/Voldemort scenario). I hope your theory happens instead.
It's actually true..cuz Cloud ends up being the only one having Jenova cells from Sephiroth..(I mean after Advent Children)
And as long as these cells are there Sephiroth will always be there..
And this makes the guy's theory much more intriguing..
Cuz now finally Cloud would be able to set himself free from his shadow figure (Sephiroth), and the last would have been out for good..
I've watched your entire playthrough of ff7r just to get to this video, and GOD that was worth it.
Holy crap. Welp. You just got a new sub today. Amazing theory and video!!
This is bloody brilliant YOUR MIND
I've seen a LOT of FF7R theories and this one is now my favorite one. Such a profound and beautiful theory. Well done! I hope someone at Square watches this.
Really awesome where you went with the little pieces of info from the game. Whether or not it goes this way, I can definitely see how it could now!
Nomura sitting here taking notes. Great theory, loved it!
Not going to lie. This would be sincerely amazing. I would love this.
As long as zack and aerith and cloud and Tifa are together in some shape or form im good lol
That was a totally fun and interesting. I really love how much you though about it. Very profound work you put into this.
I love it!!!!! Great job thank you for lightening my day.