Installing Haiku on a Cheap $79 Laptop
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So I found a brand new laptop that retails for under a hundred bucks at some retailers. That is wildly cheap, so the only question is... will it run Haiku?
Also let's see what other shenanigans can be had with it.
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Minecraft 1.2.5 is the last version of minecraft without demo mode, you can play minecraft for free without hax by changing the version of minecraft to 1.2.5 . Runs pretty well too.
Not in UK, thanks! I got as far as typing in my phone number and it said US numbers only. Why the hell didn’t;t it tell me that at the beginning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bought my wife a new MacBook Air. Shall I put Haiku on our 2009mmacbook pro? I worry about downloads but trust you 😊. Why don’t you post the best, safest place to download a Haiku for usb stick?
@@musgawp I don't understand what you mean. "worry about downloads"? Just get it from their official website.
I bought 5 of these to give to some kids to learn Scratch and other programming and use one on my CNC.
Anyways, Go into the BIOS and disable the power limits. The CPU is only using 6 watts, Once disabled it uses 12 watts and is nearly twice as fast, According to the CPU benchmarks I ran on it.
Is the foil heatsink up to the added toastiness that might cause?
@@egbront1506 it gets warmer for sure but it can handle it. I ran the CPUID benchmark for a while with no issues. I forget the exact temps it got to.. maybe 80 degrees after a while during the benchmark/CPU stress, but under regular use I don't think there's much difference. It's been a while since I tested this.
I bet it’s t-junction is like 60*C 😮😅
@@Errcyco I believe it is actually! I set it much higher.
Hoping he sees this comment and tries disabling the power limit.
“Even though it doesn’t look like it, but I like being outside!” **puts a picture of him being outside as a proof**
Looks 'shopped to me. But who am I to judge?
having a modem for 79 bucks laptop is really nice
I would expect just the LTE card to cost more than that. Probably a crappy LTE cat 4 one, but still...
@@evefavrettoSeems to be supported OOB under Ubuntu, which for a 4G Modem is really not bad and would be worth like 30 bucks for me honestly
It'd probably be $55 without Windows.
@@evefavretto isn't cat stuff ethernet?
@@joe--cool china OEMs aren't payin that much
I loved BeOS back in the time, but as long as Haiku doesn't support video acceleration (3d and decoding) there is not much point in using it for daily driving.
Who needs this?
Haiku does have video accelleration, but it's only supported on a couple GPUs
How about Haiku getting out of beta form first? 😂😂😂
There are few applications that need hardware acceleration at smaller resolutions/normal refresh rates, cf QNX, so that's not a big problem. There is nothing Haiku does that couldn't be done on top of Linux with better performance and more hardware support. You could do emulate the user interface in an X11 window manager or a Wayland compositor, BeFS could be done in FUSE to start with and then in kernelspace as it matures, and so on. Fundamentally, Haiku is always going to suffer from the same things as BSD - not enough dev time, therefore forever catching up on hardware compatibility. It *is* impressive how far they've come with so few resources though and some of the porting work is particularly impressive. It's fun, and that's what it is meant to be. Don't overanalyse it. Incidentally, it could probably run with everything working in a VM on a Linux host.
A Core 2 Duo MacBook is faster and cheaper than this laptop, but the fact that a laptop with Windows is cheaper than Windows is impressive.
hmm, idk I think the quad core Celeron is faster than the core 2 duo mobile
@@tf6437 A Core 2 Duo MacBook can run Minecraft much better, I'll tell ya that!
@@tf6437 I checked the Geekbench benchmark charts, and the Celeron N3450 beats Core 2 Duos in multi core, but most mobile Core 2 Duos handily beat it in single core performance.
@@bibasik7 this has to do with drivers, and bloat of ubuntu. Not to mention, as soon as you use Sodium, its gonna blow it out of the water. Also, the Macbook likely has a GPU, meanwhile this uses the laughable iGPU of the intel cpu. On CPU based tasks, this is gonna blow the macbook away in both efficiency and speed, although to be fair, only barely in speed.
@@TheCustomFHD According to Geekbench, the Celeron is faster in multi-core performance, but the Core 2 Duo is faster in single core performance.
Minecraft has very poor multithreading, so it makes sense that it runs better on the Core 2 Duo. Minecraft is usually CPU-bound unless you add shaders, so GPU isn't an issue.
"And it works...." yeah, we don't have the same notion of what working is.
... shenanigans!
I came here to comment the exact same thing
Everyone who has lived with old cars knows that there are two, quite distinct, status reports. Works, which is distinguished from Everything Works. Mind you, I would also be disappointed to be without trackpad, sound, AND internal WiFi.
@@michaelwright2986 It's a feature, not a bug ... Call it 'distraction-free computing' 🤔🤷♀️
Haiku is so far behind Linux. I have no idea why this guy doesn’t just install Tinycore Linux on this old machine, would have run much better.
It's also popular in the ham community because we can charge it straight from a 12v source, perfect for field use.
SPF - "Seconds per Frame"
let me tell you a secret:
frametime IS the "seconds per frame" people are looking for.
@@proCaylakno way
Onboard speakers work in Ubuntu Mate 23.10 once you run AlsaMixer in terminal to unmute and adjust up levels on inputs. Also M.2 SSD must be SATA, not NVME. I have owned this exact computer for 1.5 years.
Not unmuting the main channel in alsa is a rookie mistake everyone has made at least once on Linux. Not remembering that this is required is a cluetard move though. Cheers for the info on the M.2 slot. Most people don't realise you never have NVME on an M.2 A+E slot.
@@paulie-g Interesting. I use Linux for 10 years and I never had to think about alsamixer, using various hardware. Is this really required when all desktop distros use PulseAudio or Pipewire to control audio hardware?
@@tomaszgasior772 Don't worry, it's mostly just a meme which originated in the fact that ALSA always defaults to bring up sound hardware muted (so something has to unmute and set the appropriate volume levels in userspace, which often was just a small init script calling alsactl before PA/Pipewire came along), while OSS did not and, depending on the sound chip, often set volume TO FULL BLAST.
@@tomaszgasior772 Take a wild guess as to what PulseAudio uses as an output.. ;)
@@paulie-g Since PulseAudio is designed for user experience, I don't have to care about that. PulseAudio is intended to be user friendly so it should take care about this for me. And it does, at least in my case.
That might be as little computer as is possible to still call a laptop.
I'm kinda glad to see netbooks coming back.
Unless you go with a $10 15 year old potatobook that holds charge for 20 minutes
@@SJ-co6nk Are you really?
@@one_step_sideways I've always thought a low end inexpensive laptop like a netbook has a place in my computing ecosystem. I have a powerful gaming laptop with an RTX video card but it never leaves my desk. I've got a little chromebook with an ARM processor that I use for when I just want to putt around the house or in the back yard.
I gave away my acer aspire one back in the day to a friend of ours who needed a laptop and I always regretted it because it was perfect for that sort of thing -- and if I broke it it was 200 bucks so I could just get another one.
@@one_step_sidewaysa lot of people are I’ll be honest I loved my little acer spire one.
The cheap computers that have been coming out lately remind me of the netbook days.
Well, except that the new ones are way bigger. The whole benefit of netbooks was that they were literally or close-to pocket-sized and could run Linux pretty easily.
@@halfsourlizard9319 The Acer I had was my first computer to get an upgrade to an SSD, which made it truly portable.
@@halfsourlizard9319 Yep! Still have one running MX Linux for a little Python machine. 😂
This OS might be perfect for old netbooks that are stuck with 32-bit Atom processors and 1 or 2 gigs of RAM. I'm thinking of installing Haiku on my Sony VAIO netbook that runs (horribly) a very old 32 bit version of Linux Mint.
@@LeftoverBeefcake Or just run a modern Linux distro (Debian supports 32bit) and skip the GUI and other frivolous bloat ...
I think the real shocker is that it has a cellular modem. (I liked this video 99,999 times)
Factory fresh e-waste.
Ben atık gibi görmüyorum, güzel cihaz kuzen.
How fast is the celeron in this laptop relative to a raspberry pi? Might be worth it for that
Used thinkpads are cheaper. You can get a t460 for less than 80
@@Bc232klm still pretty cool to have this with ubuntu preinstalled but yeah buying used saves on future e-waste even if I disagree on this being e-waste.
Fun thing to try: Boot Alpine on the thing. Bet it'll run fast as a Ferrari.
Is it possible to run i3 on top of Alpine? Presumably, that'd rip.
@@pdoherty926 I'd assume so? But a good ol' TTY is even faster!
Huge thanks Sean for all the effort you put into your videos! Been following the channel for a long time and you really got me to diggin into my Retro Collection again. Planning on doing an Retro PC Un-Sleeper Build on my channel. But enough of me, really can´t wait for the next vid popping up since these are my go-to´s on the weekends whan i have some time off! Sidenote.. love Haiku been using it on-off since the really early days after Be wen´t under...
If we don't have an Action Retro video without installing some obscure OS to anyone but Action Retro fans, is it REALLY one of his videos?
Please keep making videos about Haiku OS.
I use Arch, but is interesting seeing Haiku OS being used since it's a much smaller community. Appears like a very retro throwback one which is fitting with Action Retro channels name.
@@NickNembus Haiku is an open-source reimplementation of BeOS, which came out in the 1990s and was once in the running to be the new Mac OS before NeXT beat them to the punch and became Mac OS X. When Be failed, its enthusiasts rebuilt the entire system from the ground up using Be's own API documentation. And that is Haiku. The 32-bit version can even run the original BeOS applications.
My store has them open box for $63...
this is perfect to keep in a garage for reading service manuals and consuming pirated media.
this is some chromebook like hardware, with less difficult drivers on any os thats not chromeOS
I tried to make one into a chromebook but the audio drivers and wifi drivers were just non existent
@@pinksnowbirdie2938 this is why you never use chromeOS, linux is far better and less resource intensive, debian with xfce will bring new life into any low end modern netbook
Yeah, that might possibly be the supply chain horrors he is talking about. Maybe repurposed recycled / bulk purchase and new (cheapo) screen, although the specs are still a bit too new to be EOL from Google.
This thing actually has slightly better specs than the computer I used from high school all the way to third year of university. I used to use a cheap acer chromebook with GalliumOS and it worked beautifully for everything, even with only 2GB of ram. It was just a browsing and doc editing machine, so it hardly needed anything.
By the way almost 100k subs, good job man!!
$79 plus cost of wifi dongke, plus cost of M.2 drive, plus cost of external mouse, and maybe USB soundcard to get sound. I know, WE all have that stuff hanging around in a bin, but if you're going to tally up the true cost - you have to add that in as well. So now you have other options inthe $120 range.
That's a lot of computer for 80 bucks. I remember buying an HP Stream 11, with half the cores, half the ram and half the storage for more than double!
Also this comes with an LTE modem that could be swapped with more storage? What a deal.
The Jeep is looking great btw! Need a nice row of Hellas on it now!
Great video thanks for the tips for installing Haiku!
Congrats for 100k subscribers!!! Great content!
Ayyyy! Congrats on 100K! Well deserved!
Man, you really go all the way. I love these videos.
100K subs 🎉 great news! Congratulations!
I'm new[ish] to the channel and just wanted to say I love what you're doing here and also nice jeep.
I love your shenanigans. Haiku isn't quite there yet but it's very promising. Keep up the good work.
The CPU in these things were manufactured in 2016, so I think that gives some hints as to how they got the hardware so cheaply. I bet a lot of it is outdated, but still usable tech that someone had piling up in a warehouse. Evolve probably got the components in a bulk purchase for a song. The fact that they also got a new battery, display, and (perhaps the most surprising) windows license on it while keeping the price at $79 is... Insane.
Actually this looks like a recycled Chromebook.
Congratulations on 100K subs! You deserve it.
I've been considering one of these because im nervous taking my real laptop certain places, or even just using it on the couch with my dumb dogs. I will need sound in linux though
I didn't know you were a fellow XJ enthusiast! Love your Jeep, and your channel! Was great meeting you back at VCF East!
You have no idea how much I wait for Saturday to see what kind of shenanigans you are up to this week 😊
Love when my local micro center makes it into a video. Also yellow tortex just are the best picks
The Windows Logo Key has the pre-Windows-8 Windows logo on it.
100k congrats 🎉
Ahoy, thanks for the fun video. I own 2 Maestro Evolve III notebooks. The 1st is this exact model. I got it openbox for $62+change in June 2022. Do watch as this is the V.1.0. Later versions don't have the SATA slot. I also have the Model 11G ($99+tax) which has a Celeron N4120 4 core Gemini Lake w/UHD Graphics 600. It can run Win11 and is much faster but also lalcks the SATA slot. I think the best thing about these notebooks is the battery life; I commonly run them for videos for over 8 hrs. and they still have battery left. Also, for an 11.6" TFT screen the display is quite bright and looks great at 720P. Thanks again and cheers, daveyb
PS: I'm an OS/2 guy bu I ran BeOS for about 2 years on my 2nd system back in 2002-2003. I still have all my BeOS stuff in boxes on my bookshelf. db
What an interesting little laptop - I think this is the perfect "emergency PC" to buy if yours break but you need to complete a task or something and can't wait for a repair.
Absolutely love your XJ!! I have an '03 WJ myself 😎🤙
Its shocking how good your videos have become and haiku is an underrated Operating System that may become more like Linux
Road to 100K! You're so close!!
I've done alot of this stuff. For the sound and track pad to work, just update the drivers. The update program will find the proper drivers and make it work.
These where sold in brazil under a national brand for R$ 1300, which would be 260 USD.
O que é bem triste...
sucks... I wonder if they're available in europe
Yikes.
doesn't BR have some insane computer import tax shit going on? Sad
I like that that thing still has the pre-8 Windows logo on the keyboard.
haiku is basically a blessing for oldies and generally low end pcs, even compared to some linux distros (cough cough, most)
This is a cool exercise. Thank you for doing it and showing us! I'm sort of amused that my ancient HP ProBook 6470B and 6570Bs are apparently quite a bit faster, but as you say this is a new unit.
Congrats on the 100K subs!!!
i do like that it can be overclocked and has upgradable storage
Haiku is getting better with time, to get it's spot in the old/low powered range of computers, and there are so many of them! I'm impressed with how it works so well in my venerable Asus EeePc 701. Only the camera didn't work out of the box.
People keep say that but development wise it’s been waay too long. The project started over 20 years ago (from 2001) and it’s still in beta form, ridiculous.
@@awa0927 As far as I'm not contributing myself, I don't complain about the generous effort that other people are doing at their rhytm. If they had corporate support like Linux had, the story would be different. The recent addition of falkon added to it's practical usability. I hope it gets more traction and more users so it can attract more contributors also. Cheers.
Small world, we go to the same "local Micro Center!" Great content as always!
Is that your Cherokee XJ in the intro? If so, super clean. edit* Just saw the b-roll of you getting out of it. Very nice.
It's great to see that all the work put into the Linux kernel does pay off and the laptop worked almost perfectly with it.
Haiku is not Linux. Not at all. It's BeOS reborn.
i have an old Dell Inspiron like this and i used a shaved down version of Win10 i made in MXML tools and yeah, i thought about nixxing the wifi/bluetooth but i didnt wanna be down to one USB port after adding a stick, so i instead used the MicroSD card for storage as it is plenty fast for my needs, and can even run older games with ease. these things are great if you need a spare machine running linux or another OS or other hobbyist stuff.
Ah, the wonders of the bargain bin at Microcenter! I'm like a kid in a candy store every time I go to the local one near me.
Fellow Pennsylvanian Microcenter haha!? Love the videos man keep up the great content
It has a cellular modem? That thing is probably worth more then the computer! I've always wanted to have a laptop with a cellular modem, so that I could work from anywhere*!
Don't forget Emacs and gnuplot!!
gratz for 100k subs!
Congratulations on getting a different sponsor than the usual gang! I don't think I even hate this one!
Neat 😊 Shame the sound and wifi didn't work. I've been looking for a small and cheap laptop or netbook just for Haiku.
Maybe see how this thing handles Diet Pi, a light linux distro based on Raspberry Pi OS optimized for running from flash storage
I am very sure somebody smarter than you can get the sound working. They just need to write a device driver from scratch, no big deal.
Please, post more shenanigans like this.
Wait that's not a vintage apple machine...
It’s about as fast
and so cheap.
The OS has Apple roots, at least.
You need strong CPU for Haiku. Everything else may be shit but CPU should be strong. Since there is no hardware graphics acceleration CPU has to do everything.
You could run PiMiga 4 on it which just came out with x86 support. It runs shapeshifter to be a Mac.
these tiny laptops are kind of a champ once you swap out the cellular modem for a ngff sata ssd, during my performance testing it ran elder scrolls 4 consistently well on medium settings, not too shabby!
When replacing the 4G modem card with the SSD, make sure to put some electrical tape on the two antenna connectors so it doesn't make contact with the other components.
I have fried a motherboard on an old laptop including sparks and smoke - I've learned my lesson 😅
i've been a fan of BeOS since the 90s i've been lucky enough to be able to try it on my friends' PPC as a child then I installed the official version on my IBM Aptiva probably w 133mhz pentium 1 w a bus overclock.... I also tried Zeta OS ! Zeta was the best experience for the time but Haiku is the best now has come a long way and apparently 1000s of Radio stations run on BeOS or Haiku etc
When the workarounds take up both your USB ports, not sure I can call this a 100% win. If you were going for "small computer I need haiku on and it wont move", sure a USB 3.0 styled hub would solve connectivity but if you wanted portability, all that is shot to hell when you even have to have an external mouse slaved to it.
Appreciate your dedication to Haiku since it is always cool to alternative operating systems. I'd be curious to see how it'd play on 2010s era Thinkpad.
Being able to overclock on a laptop bios is pretty rare, at least, in my experience. Out of all of the semi recent laptops I have and old laptops I've had none of them allowed me to overclock😭
"hardly any fuss" *
*required a lot of fuss
:)
Love it :)
this $80 laptop is great for giving a kid for routine schoolwork and basic youtube watching (guessing that headphones plugged in gives sound). The power of Linux strikes again
It's a good little laptop for the money. Runs a lot of ham radio software really well and runs on 12 volts.
congrats on 100k subs
Nice review, may pick one up just for fun tinkering
this might get lost in a sea of comments but, ive had this exact laptop for a while now, got it back when it was 90 bucks instead of the sale price of 80, and running AntiX Linux on it, minecraft beta gets a solid 40 or so fps, perfectly playable. i cant speak to having used Haiku, but when i want lightweight, Void linux or AntiX are the best imo, and they both ran really good on this laptops.. constrained hardware. never been able to get sound working though, and the only time i got the internal wifi card to work was on void linux, which somehow recognized it out of the box as opposed to every other distro ive tried on it (which is quite a few, including ubuntu and stock debian 10) The eMMC is KILLER slow, i think i might get one of those "dogfish" ssds for it. great video!
Its a pretty cool little laptop. I've got a video on my channel about fixing the audio and using it for a bunch of ham radio related things. Hard to beat for the price/included "kit" and performance!
I use to fix these....
Haiku is definitely an upgrade without a doubt over windows. Since some of these barely have the specs to run windows....on paper.
I really love the color of the laptop!
love the content!
Haiku is great but no Video drivers is really sad. Anyway I love it also ❤
This is the second video I see of this exact laptop this week and both of them had nonfunctional audio. The last one was still running Windows and it didn't even work under that, not sure what its missing to get that working but it might as well not even have speakers because they don't work
If I had a channel like this, I'd get a few cheap USB sound cards just to see if any sound could be had at all.
Also, amazed the tplink worked just fine on haiku when I still can't figure out how to get them to work in linux even with a guide...
For the price it's hard to beat that laptop especially if all your using it for is wed browsing and some light office work. 👍
Can get way better laptops for the price if buying used.
@@BrianMcKee true but some people don't want to buy used.
That being said my current desktop is an HP Z440 workstation I got used for 80 bucks. 😂
@@BrianMcKee normal people dont patrol ebay for good deals
Not every machine has to be a gaming machine.
@@tyler6602 I could find a computer buy it now at any time of day on ebay that beats the pants off this computer for around the same amount. This isn't like some thing that you'd have to search very hard for, corporate machines on the second hand market are capable and far more usable than bottom of the barrel chinese crap.
Haiku OS always brings me so much joy
Non-working trackpad and WLAN are the exact reason I ditched Haiku on my old Macbook Air A1370. Other than that, it worked fine there.
I literally just bought one of these a month or two ago, for a lightweight ham radio laptop. Slow as heck, but it doesn't need to be fast, and it's hard to beat the price.
wsjt-x will run on just about anything :)
These are exactly the sorts of shenanigans I am here for
When I built my PC years ago the windows 8 license was $120 on newegg. Kind of insane to find a laptop for so much cheaper than the OS it's running on.
yep cant complain for that price, i got the same one as a 69$ openbox discount but it had not been used yet, through Arch on it with the Falkon browser. It still chugs on loading pages but once loaded it is fine. im guessing its the eMMC storage being slow on writes (have not tweaked it to get better performance, like using a ramdisk)
So now i got a $70 backup laptop for travel when i dont want to take my $1,000 laptop
$79 for a cellular equipped laptop is killer. I spent $280 on just the Snapdragon mmWave modem I put in my Latitude. I assume that thing comes with a cheap-o MediaTek LTE chip, but it still ain't _that_ cheap in the context of a $79 laptop.
I would definitely not try the overclocking, we have a cheap walmart gateway laptop with the same bios options and I tried messing with the bios options for fun, almost bricked the thing lol since the options were not supported by the hardware
Did you check if there were any BIOS updates before trying to install Haiku? Perhaps there's a newer BIOS that allows Haiku installer to see built-in drive (or fixes trackpad, sound or WiFi)
Even more impressive is Microcenter had this exact laptop for on sale for $49 just a month ago.
I don't know if this would apply to Haiku or not, but in Ubuntu, sometimes on a fresh install you have to enable sound manually using the alsamixer command in the terminal. It's a bit obnoxious, but it usually works.