Everything Wrong With THE ENTIRE Lord of the Rings and Hobbit Franchise
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One does not simply say there are mistakes with the Lord of the Rings trilogy.
Yeah it's pretty simple. There are mistakes.
Cinemasins forgot one mistake. It takes me longer to watch the Hobbit movies than it does to read the actual Hobbit novel.
2 3rds of the video for 1 3rd of the view time in the Hobbit so it's not that bad
And the hobbit
@@ryanironheart4154 i also can confirm this - as a portion of it was poems, maps, lol.
this video should not exist.
too late!
Couldn't agree more
Everything wrong with this comment in 100 words or less.
Why should this video not exist?
All three movies should be sinned, for being so long
I’m actually surprised it’s less than an hour long with all the stuff he could complain about. Lol
I love that almost all the Sins are Movie-only issues that have been handled differently or explained in the books.
i love that most of them, movie or not, are completely retarded
I know! The whole barrel sequence was so pointless.
With the exception of "Andy Serkis was not nominated for an Oscar for this" 😂
@@tachyonites9568 True, but at least it was kind of interesting to watch. Besides, they did leave via barrels in the books. They just added some stuff to it. What I felt were worse additions were the dwarf/elf love story, the excessive Laketown residents stuff, and showing everything Gandalf does while away. It has been a long time since I have seen the movies or read the books though so there are probably other things.
@@mavortius8768 At least it's not the Rings of Power 🤣
Aragorn is 87 years old during the events of LOTR, and lives to be damn near 200 if my memory serves me right.
Yeah, and it’s stated outright in one of the movies (towers) as far as i recall, meaning you don’t even have to read the books to know that.
@@Sir_TophamHatt extended edition two towers to be precise
210 I believe
@@petekaiser8856 Ah well that explains it. Apparently information from the extended edition doesn’t count when it comes to cinemasins, even though it’s the version most people watch since it came out. Thanks for the correction, anyway.
He lives to 210
7:41 The ring has many powers, such as the ability to understand all languages while wearing the ring. The reason Bilbo heard the elves speaking English is for the same reason he heard the spiders speaking English. The ring allows him to understand.
movie doesn’t exactly explain that though does it? 🤣 that’s why it’s a sin
@@lindley4460 Listen... the entire prequel trilogy is a sin, but not everything should have to be explained to the audience. The spiders were speaking in spider chitters when Bilbo didn't have the ring on, and then they were speaking in English after he put the ring on. The scene with the elves in the jail area was after the spider scene, so the appropriate information was foreshadowed. I would have to go back and watch the scene to further remark on this, but it could have been more clear that the ring had that power if the elves were speaking Elvish before Bilbo put on the ring and then speaking English after.
@@lindley4460 well, one ring to rule them all wouldn't make much sense if there are language barriers.
Ik you are joking btw.
@DjCole100 the ring is a Bable fish. Small, bright yellow, lives off your brain waves... 😉
That's the beauty of having a Babel fish in your ear.
I disagree with sin 262. The reason bilbo doesn’t miss is because in the fellowship of the ring, J.R.R. Tolkien says that hobbits are excellent at throwing stones, and are so good at it that animals run in fear when a hobbit picks up a stone.
NERRRRRRRRRRRRRDDDDDDD
They are only a nerd if they didn't have to look that up which I'm assuming they didn't.
Touche good sir. I'm pretty good at throwing trash in my trashcan from across the room. Hit it 95% of the time. But if someone was sprinting at me with a sword screaming make a shot before I get to you or will kill you, I'm probably going to whif a few.
The books don’t matter (to cinema sins…I’m currently rereading the books for the 100th time)
@@googlelord1678 *grammar has exited the chat*
The reason Sauron didn't block the entrance to Mount Doom is because the idea that anyone would think to destroy the ring rather than keep it and abuse its power never crossed his mind.
hard to think when you are just an eye 😁
@wiezyczkowata lol well the eye was just for the movies.. in the books he was back in his body
The biggest sin is that 90% of the sins in this video don’t make any sense
They really tried to take out of their context scenes from films literally EVERYONE (who's not a newborn) has watched. The fucking nerve
Most of them don't make any sense anymore. I can't stand the channel anymore.
Correct. This dude either hasn’t read any of these books or can’t grasp that the movies will ALWAYS be different from books
@@FeartheKlown And yet here you are.
@@lyndseysheffer The point of the channel is that the sins are from the perspective of an individual who hasn't consumed any other source material other than the movies. That, and this channel isn't supposed to be a criticism channel, it's an excuse for the narrator and writers to riff on bs things that don't matter and they know it.
6:46 Fun Fact: Gimli had asked to join in the adventure, but as he was only 60, which in dwarven years still leaves him as a teenager, he wasn’t allowed to accompany them.
Considering that gloin fought in the battle of azinulbizar at 16 years old.
Sounds like Tolkien pulled a Rowling and only mentioned it in interviews after writing the damn book
@@anthonyhanks1807 are you related to a guy named Tom Hanks
@@biglee93 no sir im not.
@@biglee93 no sir i'm not
Not acknowledging or removing a sin or 2 for the Balrog "you shall not pass" scene earns Cinemasins a sin
No, he should’ve taken all sins of for that one scene
What he should be sinning is the ridiculously woke and dumb Rings if Power show if he wanted to realistic. Somehow I doubt this lib/tard ever would.
IKR!! Plus normally, Jeremy would've been all over Pippin's ass for constantly screwing up and being a girly broni-hobbit, especially after playin' with the Palantir, but...... pfft .........wokeness.
It's been about 4yrs and I still haven't forgiven Jeremy, for having that Outtake of Leia using the force to fly her back into the ship, while wearing that dress and NOT dubbing in, "I'M MARY POPPINS, Y'ALL!!" 🤬😂
@@anabolicsteroids.27 Why?
@@Vote_By_Mail Cause it’s epic!
33:05 Tolkien actually addressed this, and it relates to how both the elves and the dwarves came into existence. basically when Sauron tried to control the elves it was a colossal failure because the moment they could feel his influence they took their rings off, and when he tried to control the dwarves it was a colossal failure because dwarves were just too stronk
dwarves are actually pretty unique in that they were made of earth and stone by Aule, who was sort of a lesser god, so that may explain (or at least pretend to explain) why the ring didn't affect them
Aule wasn't really a lesser god according to the Silmarillion. More like Hephaestus in Greek mythology (Roman Vulcan), which is a major god.
Yeah, the most Sauron could do is use the Seven Dwarf Rings to enhance the Dwarves' natural proclivity towards greed and cause them to amass absolutely colossal treasure hoards... which eventually brought the dragons knocking, so, that sort of worked out in Sauron's favour, even if it wasn't Plan A or even Plan B.
@@rollingthunder1043It’s honestly tragic how many times the Dwarves lose their homes to greed alone. Moria because they dug too deep for mithril and unearthed a Balrog, Gundabad because their treasure hoard attracted a dragon, Erebor because of the same, and Moria again because they jumped the shark attempting to recolonize a lost kingdom overrun by orcs. In addition to those lands, there were Beleriandic kingdoms in Nargothrond, Belegost, and Nogrod that were lost because of the war with Morgoth, a kingdom-in-exile in the Blue mountains, and other kingdoms far in the east that are still unknown to the western lands of Middle-Earth. At least the dwarves got Moria back in the 4th age
So, basically, the dwarves' greed for precious stones and minerals far outweights any influence Sauron may have on them. So when any of their rings tried to influence them they were too busy digging.
@@as7river Basically yeah
The fact that these 6 movies clock into almost 20 hours of film and yet this video is only an hour long is mad impressive
That's really only because back in the day Cinemasins videos were much shorter. CZcams used to pay for a single view, now it pays for minutes watched, so even their videos about hour long cartoons are 20+ minutes long.
Had these movies came out today, especially LOTR, you'd have two parts for each installment.
@@BigFredMachine Interesting. I'm going to keep blindly believing that it's simply because of the superior quality of the lord of the rings trilogy
Its not - he already extended his take on lotr by creating sins out of nothing. He didnt even bother to think for one moment what he just has seen on screen...
Charakter looks similar to another actor -> sin
Character didnt receive an oscar -> sin
Gandalf is using magic without his staff -> sin
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This is the dumbest goldfish-generation review? ive ever seen...
The answer to most questions about “why didn’t Sauron do/see/recognize/etc.?” Is he’s that arrogant and also he genuinely didn’t believe someone would have the will to resist the ring for as long as they need to destroy it.
And in the end he was right, Frodo couldn’t actually destroy the ring, it was Gollum that ultimately did it by accident.
Atleast unlike in the books, Frodo actually had something to do with that
if we think about it, bilbo is the only one who could give up the ring willingly.
@@blink_x_moa there are some figures in lotr that refused/willing to give the ring. Faramir directly refused taking it, Gandalf refused and showed concern for its temptetions, Galadriel passed her test by refusing it. Frodo also wanted to give the ring to Gandalf and Galadriel willingly. The reason he cannot in the end is that he was depleted mentally , physically and ring is at its maximum power in Mordor. Bilbo surely could not part with the ring if he was at the mordor too.
@@kaankarul nahh the only 2 that matter our vilbo and Frodo 1
Nobody else had the ring long enough to be considered a feat to willingly give it up feet wise there's no reason to believe that Bilbo couldn't have made that Journey. As far as feeds go Bilbo's friends went through more danger than Frodo did Bilbo simply has way more beats to use an argument Bilbo had the ring for such a long time and literally gave it up like it was really not that hard he was a stronger man than the rest a much different person than Frodo the rest you cannot use an excuse they only saw the ring for like 2 minutes please do not argue anymore you are a foolish man
@@romanbennifir6020 Bilbo had the ring in a relative peace period. He only used the ring to hide from relatives/people he didnt want to see. Usage of ring is important because the more you use it tenser its influence becomes, adding the fact that you are more susceptible if you use it for ambitious acts.
Frodo had the ring when Sauron started to act again, he got stabbed by Nazgul nearly lost to wraith world, mentally challenged by several Nazguls again(being near a Nazgul alone is enough to spread terror on ordinary folk) and constantly moved closer to enemy territory. Most important thing is by Tolkien's own words no one can throw the ring willingly in Mount Doom because 1)Its influence is at its peak there 2)main idea of the story is "evil will be its own undoing" thats why Gollum's actions(a creature sauron himself corrupted" finally destroy the ring.
After the quest is done Frodo maintained his mental health able to let go the ring while Bilbo still yearned for it from time to time. And unlike Bilbo, Frodo carried the ring in most dire situations not in a peaceful time.
Lastly if you wanna call people stupid learn to write properly first.
No sin removal for Aragorn's actor deflecting an actual knife with a prop sword because the professional knife thrower was off his mark or the same actor improvising the kicking of one of the orc helmets which the props were made of metal and not only breaking his toe, but continuing to film afterwards?
Adorbzz the Viggz, yo.
AND breaking a tooth in the middle of filming a scene and just gluing it back in to finish the scene
The knife deflection should have removed TWO sins.
Viggo also ran on that broken toe. The man is hardcore.
If we're all honest, Viggo Mortensen WAS and still very much IS Aragorn.
There actually is a reason the eagles didn't bring them to the mountain.
1. The people of Lake Town have shot at them before and killed them, so they avoid the area.
2. They don't want to risk running into Smaug.
Exactly, I mean shit, you'd think a GIANT FIRE BREATHING DRAGON being resident there might be a deterrent or something
Ok, to be fair, the dragon is an explanation.
But as CinemaSins mentioned before, it doesn't matter if it is explained in the book when the movie doesn't give this 10 seconds to explain exactly that. I mean the first point at least should have been explained.
@@DefgirRZawaIn LotR it's SOMEWHAT acceptable because the Eagles don't really appear until the very end. But for the Hobbit, it makes no sense. LotR had been out for ages, and many people who saw the movies were quite confused about why the Eagles weren't used as often as they "could've" been. Peter Jackson had plenty of time to drop a line about why the Eagles wouldn't want to risk flying into either specific territory. At least with Mordor you can maybe assume it was the threat of the Eye of Sauron plus those dragon lookin' things that made the Eagles avoid flying near Mordor. But with the Lonely Mountain? Absolutely nothing in the movie indicates that they couldn't just fly them there, avoid the forest, the Elves, and Laketown entirely, and go around in maybe 20-30 minutes. Instead, they have to visit the Forest to run into the Elves for the sake of the plot, and then journey through Laketown for the same reason. They actually would've been screwed by the end if the Eagles did the logical thing in that situation, but the the party had no way of even beginning to predict that.
Elijah Wood seriously doesn’t get enough credit for his performance in that trilogy. He’s SO GOOD at showing how manipulative the One Ring is. The Ring has a will of it’s own, and Elijah Wood does a phenomenal job portraying how Frodo was slowly losing his sanity and physical strength as the journey went on!
It's crazy he was only 18 when he was cast, just a really young dude acting his heart out in a dream role. The contrast between normal Frodo and when the ring is affecting him is done perfectly I'm not sure many actors on earth could have pulled it off like he did.
@@sfbenji wow, that’s incredible. So many memorable performances in this trilogy :)
After nearly an hour of sins there aren’t as many as you’d think. Showing that LOTR is one of the greatest.
I agree, compare this to their all of Marvel sins.
LOTR RULES!
Even though I do not like the “Hobbit” movies, I absolutely love the “Lord of the Rings” movies.
and most of the sins are from 'the hobbit' films so make of that as you wish
I smell nerd
42:02 - "I guess Gandalf used a Jedi mind trick to make this guy forget he was a wizard and that the "walking stick" was a magical staff."
42:23 - But here he stops a guard from drawing his sword to protect Gandalf, Aragorn, Gimli and Legolas, so, maybe he allowed Gandalf and his magical staff to go in on purpose, to free Theoden.
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You've got it backwards, the guy who stopped the other guy from drawing his sword was doing so to protect Gandalf and them, not the guy who has the sword
@@CommunistBot - ? That's exactly what I wrote.
@@crashburn3292 Oh sorry, it was written ambiguously then, I thought you were saying the one who was drawing his sword was doing so to protect Gandalf and them
@@CommunistBot No problem at all.
The cloak hiding Frodo and Sam isn't exactly a sin in and of itself. It does follow the book. The cloaks were magic and could create camouflage when draped over the wearer. In this case, it took on the guise of a large rock on the hillside. The real sin for that scene is that you would have to have read the book to know why that worked because the film doesn't bother explaining what the cloaks can do.
Isn't it in the movie that the cloaks can shield them from "evil eyes"/ "unfriendly eyes" when Galadriel gives them to them?
@@sawanna508 - I don't recall the exact description she gave, but it's certainly vague. Still, if that is how she described it, it also wouldn't be a sin because it did what it was intended to and hid them from the sight of enemies. The cloaks see a lot less use in the movies, so they didn't bother really focusing on them or fleshing out their abilities.
@@sawanna508 thats only in the extended edition. i remember as a kid the scene where they hide with the cloak always confused the fuck out of me
@@hollyhartwick3832it’s in the extended cut which you’ve never seen apparently
@@booprice5473 No. I don't have the extended cut. I have the original 2-disc special edition DVD sets as well as the box set of books. If it's only in a director's cut version, of course a lot of people wouldn't have seen it. Pretty sure this video is covering the theatrical version, which is what the majority would have been exposed to.
Gandalf not knowing bilbo had the one ring is because he thought it was one of the elven rings forged before the rings of power since it’s a plain golden ring and the inscription isn’t visible unless it’s exposed to heat. The other 16 rings of power and the 3 elven rings forged by celebrimbor were adorned with jewels. Gandalf only figured out it was indeed the one ring after noticing bilbo hadn’t aged in 60 years and researched isildur’s description of the ring.
There were probably many other magical rings, even made after the fall of Eregion. We know Saruman made a few, so why couldn't others do so too?
Exactly, There were hundreds of enchanted rings. To immediately assume it's The One would be a little crazy, especially after 3000 years had passed since Isildur claimed it for himself.
Gandalf thought it was a lesser magic ring. Thats the in text explanation.
You shall not pass these timestamps!
0:11 The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey
3:49 The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug
15:16 The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies
32:52 The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring
39:40 The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers
46:01 The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King
Thank you kind Sir
Imo the hobbit really felt like a watered down version of the original Lord of the rings but more specifically geared towards kids it didn’t have a very mature oriented vibe to it in my opinion. I guess it kind of makes sense considering they’re supposed to be about focusing entirely on “short people” but it would’ve made for a better movies in my opinion if they took Itself more seriously than it did. I mean yes It had some serious moments throughout it but I feel like it could’ve been done a lot better by taking itself a lot more seriously overall.
Very kind
I wonder how sinful RoP will be? 😈🔥🔥🔥
@@hapwn - over 9.000 !!!
11:16 (Sin 116) Fun fact: This is not a 'funny ridiculous fantasy horn', it is a real brass instrument from the 17th century. It's very accurately called a serpent.
you're trying to explain truth's to def ears. This channel can be comical at times, but for the most part, he is a smug liberal lunatic who, for some reason, favors policies and politicians who want to enact rules to DESTROY the USA. liberalism is truly a brain cancer
He didn't call it a 'funny ridiculous fantasy horn', he just sinned its existence.
@@as3609 Never argued with the sin. I pointed out that, unlike some could think, this is a real instrument. No need to get defensive.
When Sauron reached for Isildur, he was being arrogant (as usual), and he was attempting to burn Isildur to death with the ring, like he did to Gil-Galad
I think the badass woman moment for Eowyn is less in the fact that she killed the Witch King all by herself and more in the fact that she was literally the ONLY ONE, out of all the other MEN, to stand against him
She could only kill him because of merry stabbing the witch king with an ancient blade especially made to kill wraiths.
Lord of the Rings is like the Princess Bride. A once in a life time master piece that can’t be replicated. Perfect cast, director, and filming crew. A masterpiece!!!
Not so much for the Hobbit trilogy!
@@robertfloyd4287 No that was a load of shite, not that I saw more than ten mins of the first movie.
Not to mention the series. Probably more woke shite too. A series destroyed a great franchise like they did with Star wars and Star Trek.
Can’t wait for this libtards sin list for the new woke rings of power show. I’ll bet there won’t even be a sin video.
@@Zooumberg Hobbit is not that bad and has some really good scenes and a great cast, also the series isnt even out yet so i wouldnt judge it based on trailers (watch lotr trailers from back when they came out ;))
I agree LotR was a brilliant trilogy and when ever I finish watching all three I always get a little sad that the journey has ended. The Hobbit could have been good. It should only have been two films rather than three and used more practical FX rather than CGI. The cast in the quest was very forgetable. Aside from a couple of the dwarves i have no idea what any of their other names were and didn't really feel a connection to them. In LotR I knew all the names of the fellowship and was invested in their story from beginning to end.
Cinemasins: “the lord of the rings trilogy.”
Everyone: “we don’t do that here.”
Minas Tirith isn't practically built cause that's how every single fortress was built in the middle ages, it's to prevent enemies from easily invading
23:00 yea so Gandalf was scared sh*tless that if Smaug is still around, and Sauron is still around, a team up would be so devastating, it’s worth making sure they’re both actually gone _before_ we see Smaug wearing a Morgoth hoodie while turning ‘the Shire’ into ‘the Fire’…
I find it amazing that despite the lotr films being more than 3 hours long each, the last one being 4 hours long, that they still cut out a lot of scenes just to make it "shorter", and if that wasn't enough there were still numerous scenes they couldn't add from the books.
They make it "shorter" so they can add an hour of their own stuff.
To make up for that, Jackson bloated the Hobbit. 😏
Lord of the rings trilogy is the 1 series that has each movie over 2 hrs long & I feel like I could sit a whole entire day watching all 3 of those back-to-back to back
I binge the extended editions (about 4.5 hours each) over a weekend
I like to watch them in extended edition over the course of a day when i have a day off
Back in like 2005, I was in college in Tennessee. My roommate and I were up very early. We are early risers anyway, but the thunderstorm woke us both. We leaned against the railing of the breezeway outside our door, drinking coffee and watching the great deluge and decided without words that neither of us would be going to class that day. He had never seen LOTR, but I am a giant Tolkien nerd and had just picked up the extended editions on dvd. So, at like 830am, we began. Later in the day, we ordered pizza. Then paused for a beer run. It rained all day, just gloomy skies and LOTR. We opened the windows, the room smelled like wet grass. We finished all three, then had more drinks and talked about them. It is a core memory. Hope that dude is doing ok.
Do so with the extended version it’s about 4hrs and 50min especially the third one which makes the witch king fight more interesting and it follows the book more accurately
@@sethmizrachi8337 I do that in a day I’ll start at 8am and get done around 8pm or sooner in a single Saturday or Sunday
50:40 This was the only sin that actually pissed me off because in the movie Pippin starts looking around Pelennor Fields during the day, but it's nighttime by the time he finds Merry. It was shot that way for a reason! I like these videos for the nitpicking but the nitpicking doesn't work if you ignore things like that!
19:46 Saruman knows about the one ring, as do all of the Istari, and anyone who lived to see the third age. Just because he knew of it doesn’t mean he knows it has been found. That’s why Gandalf goes on the 17 year hunt for answers because he suspects bilbos ring is the one
Tolkien also says Saruman is the one who knew the most about rings, even creating his own sort of proto-ring
@@rafexrafexowski4754 True, but it's still very unlikely from their point of view. It's like your best friend saying he has the actual Holy Grail, and being correct. That's why it took so many years for them to be sure
"This Bolg guy is a discount Azog. He looks exactly like Azog but with metal in his flesh." That's because Bolg is Azog's son.
Azog shouldn't even be here. In the book, young Dain slays him in that flashback battle after Azog kills his father. They only added him to make the movie more bloated
@@rafexrafexowski4754 Oh. Stupid Hollywood and stupid Peter Jackson!
Which is a fairly major plot point in the movies. In the books its a throw-away comment in an early book written before Tolkien decided to leave alot of the orc lore blank. Here there's a very clear genetic lineage thing...
Which makes virtually no sense
@@barrylyndon5552 Nope, it makes total sense. Tolkien considered orcs at least animals for all of their existance. They did breed, so an orc bloodline makes total sense.
@@rafexrafexowski4754
No
Tolkien considered them as golems made from slime and heat, he considered them tortured husks of elves, he considered them just really evil humans. Other than saying Bolg was the 'spawn' of Azog, their reproduction or childhood or maternal paternal actions or female orcs were ever mentioned or discussed aside from freaky speculation about humans and orcs being crossbred by saruman
So as a single throw-away line in the Hobbit, its fine. As a major plot point that requires massive amounts of explanation as to how it happened, making Bolg a 'child' of Azog simply raises questions
The eagles aren't just birds, the are similar to the wizards who are basically angelic beings bound to physical body's.
Nah, they are just birds.
Fuckin’ buurd. Iykyk
@@matthewbraith0411 they are Maiar of the Valar Manwe
@@fuyoutubeck No, The Great Eagles are not Maiar. Why do you say this? The Great Eagles, however, were animals- i.e. without the fëar belonging to the Elves, Men, and the Dwarves, although they had been taught language by the Valar, and thus could speak. Manway in fact did create the Eagles as guardians and messengers of EA.
@@paulmartin6209 ok I never read the Silmarilion and all my knowledge comes from reading articles, answers on Quora's Tolkien Legendarium and watching CZcams videos, so what I'm saying isn't necessarily accurate, however it's the same as dozens of people say all the time on those media
Smaug was playing a game with dwarves around the mountain which is why he didn't attack them immediately. It is explained that way in the book.
God damn you guys really have a tough time getting the "books don't matter" thing through your heads.
@@Vote_By_Mail Why doesn't it tho?
@@javiermagana6364 Because the thing he's reviewing.... It isn't a book. It's a movie.
@@Vote_By_Mail these movies are literally based on the books the info that isn't mentioned in the movie is explained in the book
@@lukeH7272 He's not reviewing the book though--he's reviewing the movie. Christ you guys are thick. They're 2 separate things. If someone remakes the movie can they just leave out shit that was explained in this movie? No.
The book explains that eagles could not carry them to Lonely Mountain as that would attract Smaug's attention and wake him up prematurely.
The eagles show up when it’s convenient. That is all. Desperation, writers block, ex machina. You have no power here.
That is really good to know I had no idea thanks ☺
What is the ex machina ??
@@vijaysridhar351 deus ex machina, look it up
@@gab9433 Thanks!!
Jeremy: "I know Gollum's not exactly smart, but why would he talk so loudly to himself if he's trying to actually sneak up on the Hobbits and surprise them?"
Me: Maybe ring-induced schizophrenia overrides logic and common sense, which say, "Talking to yourself isn't conducive to stealth mode, dip$#!t. Knock it off." 🙂
Given the fact Legolas knows who Aragorn is when Boromir calls Aragorn a mere Ranger during the Council of Elrond you can assume they know each other
Aragorn was 80 in the LotR trilogy so was in his 20's here. They either knew each other or Legolas had heard of him.
@@rachelsheppard9122 He was 87 and he also was on a first name basis with Legolas so I would say definitely knew each other
He was 87 and this being 80 years befoure the lotr (movies) he would be like 8 when thranduil calls him strider, shoch is the name he gets from the men of bree cause they have seen him (stridimg around) for generations =dumb
@@jakobplobeck8006 It was 60 years before Lotr
@@Joyful_Traitor im such a fraud, ur right, i was thinking of when frodo set out from bag end and he thinks about how bilbo did the same almost 80 years earlier, but thats like 17 years into the first book
41:54 Actually when they are given these cloaks by Galadriel she tells them that the cloaks will help them stay hidden from evil eyes. So that is exactly according to the books and movie. Maybe it's in the extended versions tho
106 is not a sin! It’s a beautiful and well deserved cameo 🥺
191 is also not a sin. Galadriel fought for centuries after the fall of Valinor to defeat Sauron and Morgoth and when she finally found peace in Lothlorien, she realized that she was not going to be the one who could defeat him because she already had a close connection to one of the rings of power.
Also there should be a sin every time this guy says a place or characters name wrong.
Yes, flinished at his pronounciation of Isildur.
Let's be honest most of the stuff the guy says are "sins" are either just not sins at all and him just making a huge deal out of nothing or him just taking a scene out of context to make up a sin that isn't even a sin when the context is applied to that scene or him just making random shit up to pad out the run time.
Some of these sins are explained in the book. For example, Arwen calling the tsunami of water horses is explained as a spell Elrond laid on that river long ago to stop evil from entering Rivendell.
The problem with that scene is that Arwen wasn't even there to begin with. Frodo was placed upon Glorfindel's horse, which was able to outrun the steeds of the Nazgul. Upon entering the waters of the Ford of Bruinin, a flood of water with the shape of horses, conjured by Elrond and Gandalf, killed the Nazgul horses, and swept away them all away.
Knowing how much Elrond disapproved of the relationship between Arwen and Aragorn, he would NEVER have allowed his daughter, to go out looking for Aragorn and the Hobbits knowing the Ring Wraiths were about in Middle Earth.
As far as I'm concerned, Jackson took too many liberties, and simply created his version of TLOTR, and an even worse depiction of The Hobbit.
Sadly but fairly, the books doesn't really matter to CinemaSins when they add sins, the movie has to stand on its own and not depend on the original source.
@@faithcastillo9597 They're sinning the movies, not the book, so it's Arwen we're talking about.
Like the cinemasins guy always says, the books don’t count or matter
Like the cinemasins guy always says, the books don’t count or matter
Actually Bilbo being good at throwing things at peoples heads is about the ONLY believable part of this battle. The game "conkers" which he mentions in the first film involves throwing things at targets. Often bouncing them off other things first. So Bilbo having good aim at things and being able to throw rocks at the bad guys is was more believable than his using Sting to any great skill.
Conkers*
@@bumdiggory thank you.
Conkers is a game in which each opponent has a conker (a tree fruit, kind of like a walnut). It is attached to a string, which is then attached to a tree branch. The opponents then take turns SWINGING their conkers at the the other one. Whoever owns the conker that breaks first is the loser.
Also, when is this game mentioned in the on screen? I can't seem to recall it right now.
@@telepathos First movie. Thorin meets Bilbo for the first time and asks him about his weapon of choice. Bilbo answers that he is every good at conkers.
Wait what? Conkers is played by attaching one to a tree? Why tf did we play it by swinging it at each other 😂😂 trying to both swing and hit the conker mid air.
That would have saved me a lot of sore fingers hahaha
The plot points from the book Two Towers are actually spread all across the trilogy. The first chapter of the book involves Boromir's death, his funeral and the beginning of Aragorn's pursuit of Orcs. All three things happen at the end of the Fellowship movie. The book Two Towers ends at the point at which Gandalf sets out with Pippin towards Minas Tirith and Frodo getting captured by the Orcs. All the scenes after the end of Battle of Helms Deep up until these points, including Frodo and Sam's encounter with Shelob, were moved to Return of the King movie. Also, the scene of confronting the defeated Saruman, which was ultimately cut from the movie, also happens in the book Two Towers, but was meant for Return of the King movie.
You should have sinned the fact that the dwarves covered Smaug in molten gold and he looked all badass but then the gold just immediately falls off the second he flies outside. How disappointing. I wanted gold Smaug.
30:00 when you consider legolas can walk on snow without sinking, this doesn't exactly register as impossible for an elf
1 hour length of sins is a sin itself haha
Gandalf is not necessarily using magic to appear before Bilbo in the house, he might have just been faster and surpassed him.
He has human sized legs.
And he is a Maya which are physically stronger and faster then humans or hobbits
The elven rings were never touched by Sauron, Celebrimbor made them and sent them away. When the elf owners sensed the ONE ring, they took their rings off and didn't wear them again until Sauron was defeated. The tragedy was that even the elven rings were linked to the one ring, and with its destruction they became just nice jewelry and had no mystical power left. Most of the dwarf rings were lost over the centuries. In fact, I think all of them were.. That was what Thorin's father was looking for when he was captured, he was looking for one the dwarf rings to rally his people.
In the second age, the dwarves proved "too hardy" to be ensnared by the Seven, and become like the Ringwraiths, and most of the Seven were consumed by dragon fire, however Thrain (Thorin's father) was looking to reclaim Erebor after being told by Gandalf, but was tailed most of the way and was captured after going too close to Dol Guldur.
Actually, all of the dwarf rings were recovered and Thrain was the last dwarf to have a ring, so Azog took it and gave it to Sauron.
Edit: Recovered as in Sauron got them. At least for a little while.
@@RedTime101 I would like to refute that. Several dwarven rings were destroyed when they were consumed by dragons, when they sacked several kingdoms after they had amassed great wealth through the rings’ ability to breed gold. It was the remainder of them (Thrain’s included) that ended up in Sauron’s hands. I don’t remember where I read this, but it was likely the account given in the appendices
One question... WTF happened with the shadow? I remember that in the books, all of them, if someone puts the ring on his finger he turns invisible but the shadow remains. That would have been a really cool effect that for some reason the director chose to forget.
In the Hobbit it says that that is only the case in full sunlight and I don't think there is any time in where some one wears the ring in direct sunlight.
@@liamlease1552 Hmmm... Yeah, it's always at night in the movies 😝
The LotR budget happened
Peter Jackson chose to forget a lot of things
SIN ”DING”
I'm still pissed that they didn't include the sin that bugged me most as a kid. Pippin getting crushed by the horse has his hands unbound but then the flashback shows immediately afterwards they had to cut their bonds.
I've watched that mistake over and over and still my mind cries , O Cinema Sins how'd ya miss this one!
I guess the writer missed that one when reading through the IMDB goofs section.
Damn I guess it's pretty easy to miss details in a production like this.
Pippin dodged the horses hooves at the last second though. In my opinion, I found it strange that the rider hadn't heard Pippin's screams amidst the fighting
He says is bullshit that Aragorn is at least 60, but I watched the extended edition of Two Towers last night and they say he’s 87. The Dunedaine apparently live extra long lives
56:07 I think Tolkien would be pleased someone layered a Beowulf speech over part of one of his stories.
The fact that 6 movies of more than 3 hours each only managed to gather 1 hour of sins makes me smile
2:10 If you are upset about that, did you realize when frodo is stabbed and they are helping him in the woods they are beneath those same stone trolls?
9:32 “morgul” means “sorcery.” “Minas Morgul” = “Tower of Sorcery.” A “Morgul blade” can be interpreted as a blade of sorcery, or a blade from Minas Morgul. This orc, and his arrow, are neither. Sooo….. not a “Morgul shaft.” Ding?
31:28 Aragorn was 87 in Return of The King, making him roughly 27 during The Hobbit, and learned of his heritage by 21. Though he may not yet be known as Strider, he would be out learning the landscape of Middle Earth.
Aragorn was 10 years old during the events of "The Hobbit". 17 years pass between Bilbo's departure from the Shire and Gandalf visiting Frodo to warn him about the One Ring.
5:40 Yes, Middle Earth uses miles as measurement. This is believable since The Hobbit was published in 1937 by Tolkien, and England didn't begin to adopt metric until the mid-60's. Each people within Middle Earth uses their own measurement system, apparently, but narration translates it to one system. So this one doesn't strike me as a "sin."
The UK still uses miles, rather than kilometres. But you are right that Tolkien would have converted measurements used in Middle-earth into contemporary ones.
@@nathynorthy6916 the UK officially uses the international system, but people can still use miles
@@tuluppampam officially? You realise that all the speed limits on all the roads in the UK are in mph right? All the cars made in the UK have MPH speedometers.
So idk what UK you think you’re talking about, but it’s not the one on earth 😂
Miles are British units. Feet are British units. Britain invented them.
Spot on, in the books Tolkien uses furlongs as a measurement of distance. It’s almost completely redundant today outside of horse racing but with 8 furlongs going into 1 mile it’s a very effective way of portraying distance if you a familiar with it
@@tuluppampam I've never seen distances on road signs in the UK given in kilometres. Which kind of means that miles are the official unit of distance, at least for motor vehicles. And what "people can still use miles" is supposed to mean, god only knows. You can use whatever you want in your personal activities - you can use miles or kilometres to plan your route. But UK road signs are in miles.
"Is Middle Earth just Gandalf's personal life size dollhouse?"
There's a case to be made, at least during his window of time there. Or perhaps the Valar's personal life size dollhouse for the whole duration.
p.s. "Welcome to Rivendell... Mr. Anderson" killed me. Perfectly done.
Legolas only tells them the armour is weak under the neck, BECAUSE HE JUST SAW IT IN THIS MOMENT for the first time himself... He has elven eyes, very good eyes, means he can see well...............
You mean he can see all the way to where that elderly man can shoot an arrow with Olympic precision? Wow. Such amazing elf powers.
@@Vote_By_Mail the shot from the elderly man was just luck of course. Since when is it not allowed for movies to use an element of that? The point is legolas behaviour made sense.
So his elf eyes can see that the uruks are 'taking the hobbits to Isengard' but can't see the armour is weak until just before the battle is about to begin. :D TBF, with the vision he shows at the beginning of the movie, he should have been the one to warn Theoden about the Isengard army and not Aragorn since he can apparently see minute orienteering details from literal miles away.
Basically, in all the deleted scenes, it explains where the rams came from, expands on Gandalf's story when he's in Dulguldor (I can't spell it), and it also shows Thorin's funeral and what actually happened to the Arkenstone. It was actually very necessary for some of these scenes to be in the movies (the rams from Balin mainly).
41:53 that flag wasn’t scripted to rip off but the prop did at that moment so Jackson kept it in, so yes, the flag did decide to do that
You're almost right. It was scripted for it to just fall to the ground, but due to the heavy wind it just blew so perfectly over the houses, and they decided to keep that cut rather than refilm it.
@@drkirkland79 thank you! I’ve already corrected others who keep parroting this bs
For all the sins I disagree with here (in the LOTR films, The Hobbit films deserve everything they got), it surprises me that the sudden disappearance of the horses at the charge on The Black Gate in ROTK missed your inclusion here.
I didn’t notice them missing. Now I’ll have to look for tyat.
Even though I do not like the “Hobbit” movies, I absolutely love the “Lord of the Rings” movies.
@@handev2604 I love them both but I would understand why you don't like the hobbit
Also the Mouth of Sauron and his horse just vanish as the black gate opens, the only thing that ever bugged me about the trilogy
I only recently noticed that after like my 50th watch. That and I'm still kind of unsure how Gandalf got his staff back after being kidnapped by Saruman in the Tower of Orthanc (Isengard)
Fun fact: the flag breaking from the pole at 41:58 wasn't done on purpose. It just happened while they were filming and Peter Jackson left it in there because he liked what it could represent.
37:37 Actually no, if you look, Gimli actually grabs someone else's axe to try and smash the ring.
@ 41:55 Sin 367, the best part off that flag tearing off with dramatic timing, is it actually did. It wasn't planned at all for the movie, it was just more windy than expected that day, and they decided that might work in favor of filming.
This video doesn't change my mind about LOTR, it's a masterpiece!
why would ANY of their videos change your mind about any movie? do you not understand what they're doing? holy moly....
It's not supposed to change your mind. He loves these movies to. Half of his sins aren't even legitamite. This is more for comedy than anything.
@@trickshotsmoviesandcubing2317 aren't you reading the comments though? You get that there are people that actually are watching these videos instead of actually watching the movies and saying that all they need to do is watch these videos to understand or get the gist of movies.... And the fact that CinemaSins doesn't speak out against these people but encourages them shows you that they don't actually have a love of movies or the movies that they make videos of.... At the beginning of one of their videos or at the beginning of several of their videos they should point this out but they do not
@@Darthalas Then what explains the sin removals?
@@trickshotsmoviesandcubing2317 what's in removals bro? Do you actually watch their videos? 99.9% of the time they remove sins for ridiculous reasons as well, but 99% of the time they Add a sin right after removing it to counter it.
The entire channel has become a joke....
I would recommend checking out Th3Birdman and just peruse a few of his "Eww CinemaSins" videos.
There's no rhyme or reason for any of these so-called sins... What is tragic is that many people that watch these things actually think there is.
The “horn” at 11:17 is a thing called a Serpent (for obvious reasons). It’s an instrument that went out of general use a VERY long time ago, though it is occasionally still used in film music. For instance, Bernard Herman used it in his score to Journey to the Center of the Earth.
You beat me to it
31:30 Aragorn was 87 in Lord of the Rings. He would have at least been 27 during The Hobbit.
The Lord of the Rings is grand and the Hobbit still is enjoyable and has some great moments
I agree with this, particularly the part about The Hobbit. There are some elements that work very well in the trilogy. It's not below average because there is nothing good, it's not as good because there is so much extra stuff that it makes the movie worse. But there are so many great things done well in The Hobbit. I'm glad that some people recognize that instead of saying it's all terrible.
@@liamlease1552 smaug was the best of the hobbit!
@@Jeptheplay I would agree, though I really enjoyed the riddles in the dark scene with gollum as well.
The "Gems in the (Lonely) Mountain" that the elf lord Thranduil (Legolas' father) desires are gems that dwarves mined and cut and made into jewelry for _sale_ to the elves. The elves used to buy gems from dwarves, because elves are no miners themselves but like pretty glittering stuff. So presumably the elf lord had placed an order for the jewelry a couple decades ago, before Smaug took over the Lonely Mountain. But what with elves being immortal, he decided to wait to reclaim his order until the dragon hat pissed off somewhere else or been slain. Question is, did Thranduil already pay for the necklace, or did he decide to do some grabby fingers and help himself from the dwarves' and dragon's hoard to make the whole war thing worthwhile?
This is probable, but I don't recall anything like that described in the book. Thranduil hated the dwarves because 6 thousand years earlier he saw his king Thingol (who was the father of Luthien, who you probably remember from the books) being slain by dwarves.
For context, the dwarves once made a beautiful necklace called the Nauglamir, and they gave it to Galadriel's brother Finrod. After passing to many hands it finally gets to Thingol, who wants to combine it with a Silmaril, one of the three jewels of the elves that his daughter and Beren stole from Morgoth the Dark Lord for permission to get married (Beren was a mortal man). Thingol hired the greatest dwarven smiths for the job, but after combining the jewel and the necklace, they said their work was so hard that they demand the necklace as the payment. Thingol insulted them and they killed him before anyone could stop them.
The thing about the elves and dwarves not being immediately controlled was because the three elven rings were never touched by Sauron directly so their corruption was not great enough to prevent the elves from removing their rings when they noticed the rings acting up, and on the case of the dwarves, they were quite sturdy so they didn't become nazgul and only became extremely greedy (as became of Thror's sickness with gold before Smaug arrived) - nevertheless this is only explained properly on the books.
Sin #330: fair point but Isildur is Elrond's great (x24) nephew so maybe he had some hang-ups with throwing family into lava.
i love these full franchise sins, i know they probably take a lot more effort and production than a normal video, but more of these please!
You do realize its just all their old vids on the movies put into one? Its no work at all lmao
Nah they just edit their old vids together so they're all back-to-back. That's why the first Hobbit sins video was so short - back when they made four to five minute videos. I still love watching everything they upload, even if it's reuploads I haven't seen in eight years.
@@stonedstreamingna6852 yeah I realized that partway through, but it still takes quite a bit of editing effort to put it all together seamlessly, haven't looked at your page, but judging by your name, it would be the same as you putting a bunch of streams together into 1 video
31:19 Fun fact, Aragorn is actually 80 when we meet him in The Fellowship of the Ring
This is the comment I've been looking for
@@MadDecibel same dude i was only gonna scroll two more times lol
Fun fact: Sin 367 at 41:42, the flag actually did fly off the pole and was not scripted, so you're right, it did fly off at the right moment. That's why it's cool
Aragorn is actually over 80 in the lord of the rings. But since he is a numenorien descendant his lifespan is over 200
31:15 During the Council of Elrond, it's Legolas that establishes who Strider (up until this point) actually is. So this is a sin for you guys.
The fact that the video is still less than hour means they're pretty good movies since the first trilogy I'd about 10 hours by itself
43:32 - I always thought this was such a cool scene and I remember everyone in the theater cheered. But watching it now wouldn't it be hilarious if he accidentally kicked Gimli off the horse 😄
The fact that in 6 movies, over 18 hours of footage to sin, and this compilation is only under an hour is a testament to how amazing these movies are
Frodo and Sam don't get seen because the Elvish cloaks are magic. There's a scene of all of them getting gifts from Geladriel, she explained a lot that they should've left in the movie. It is in the extended version and also in the book. Peter Jackson left out a ton of things that would've made the trilogy make more sense.
2:47 Gandalf was literally talking about a different sword but OK.
Weed is the answer to everything.
- JRR Tolkien
My favorite is part is when Galadriel tells Morgoth "With great power comes great responsibility" goosebumps everytime!
41:59 No joke, it actually DID wait until the perfect moment! It was purely unintentional but it was so perfect that the producers kept it in.
2:09 now that's just a little bit dumb. Tolkien used these specific places numerous times. These were powerful, geographically important places, so it makes sense for them to be cited this many times.
Aragorn and Legalos did meet before the council. The elves kept Gollum for several years and Aragorn brought him to them.
466 sins for like 40,000 hours worth of movies. Shows what a masterpiece Lord of the Rings is
I love the trilogies but the sins are real. I got out of my chair 4 times because I thought the 3rd lotr was over without realizing it was just a scene transition. 😅
29:00 at the begining thorin asked bilbo 'axe or sword' and he replies that he has some skill at conkers which is a game in which aim is the most vital aspect. We see merry and pippin using rocks in the next trilogy so we can assume hobbits are naturally pretty good at throwing things
cutting battle of Hoth with Pelennor Fields at the end was awesome, well done as always.
52:31 Frodo is already in the Grey Havens. They sail to Valinor.
That sin for Frodo reading in the forest 🤣.
That's my dream life!
Massive LOTR fan here... I love these videos and actually I agree will all the Hobbit sins. The prequel doesn't compare to the original. I agree with only 10 or 20 of the LOTR sins, most of them were comical, funny and over the top small details. Still three of the best movies ever made in my opinion, with minimum flaws, even at that time when CGI and technology wasn't so advanced. It felt real!
When they mention Aragorn in Hobbit 3 and you say you assumed he was 60 in LOTR, yeah man's actually in his 80s in that trilogy
Bro the battle of 5 armies sins are like a quarter at least of this ENTIRE video 🤣
31:27 Aragorn is 87 during the events of the war of the ring. Bilbo is 50 during the events of the hobbit, he's 111 at the start of the war of the ring, Aragorn is 26 at this time.
42:00 it actually did. The flag coming off the pike wasn't scripted, the heavy winds during the filming of that scene ripped it off.
46:34 pippin knows the quest is to destroy the ring, sauron is still under the impression they intend to use it instead.
The horn at 11:17 is a real instrument called a Serpent.
There was no guarantee that bilbos ring was the ring of power, and the only indicator (other than wearing it and becoming corrupted) was the fiery blackspeech markings revealed on the ring
Actually there was a scene in Lord of the Rings that suggested Legolas knew Aragorn, at the meeting in Rivendell he does his little speech saying this is Aragorn son of Arathorn and gets all protective as if they are friends and then Aragorn tells him to stop in Elvish I think that does suggest they already knew each other.