Why do cylindrical rockets roll?

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  • čas přidán 17. 06. 2019
  • Here’s a fun question that not only have I myself asked, but I get asked fairly often, why do we hear a call out like “roger roll” or “roll program complete” at which point we can see the rocket rotate or roll on its X axis…
    The best example of this was the Space Shuttle which had a very obvious and dramatic roll program. As soon as it cleared the tower, you can see it making a very impressive and sometimes scary looking roll.
    Now a maneuver like this makes sense when a vehicle is asymmetrical like the Space Shuttle, but why do cylindrical rockets like the Saturn V, Titan, Atlas, Delta IV etc etc even bother doing a roll?
    Can’t rockets just tip over in whatever direction they need to go? Do a little pitch here, a little yaw there just as long as the pointy end is going the direction it’s intended to go, who cares which side of the rocket is facing the Earth and which side is facing space… right?
    So today we’ll first define the pitch, yaw, roll and their corresponding axis on a rocket, then we’re going to dive into why a rocket rolls in the first place, take a look at launch azimuths and their relationships to trajectories and we’ll look at some unique solutions to orientations including some rockets that don’t roll on ascent to align with their trajectory.
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  • @albertbatfinder5240
    @albertbatfinder5240 Před 5 lety +1863

    We live in a wonderful age. I am not talking about space exploration, but the fact that such a quality science video can be produced by enthusiastic individuals and published for free. 30 years ago it would have taken a full production team and the commitment of an entire broadcast network. Great stuff, sir. (And your helpers)

    • @lifter1000
      @lifter1000 Před 4 lety +21

      Yep, today every semi-talented kid can lecture on rocket science

    • @awuma
      @awuma Před 4 lety +53

      @@lifter1000 Actually, they have to actually get it right! The fact that Elon and other to people have granted interviews to Tim shows that he is a respected journalist and commentator on space matters. This is a wonderful development, that journalists can win a following and even earn a living without being hired by someboy else and being beholden to an employer (though it's not an ideal situation when the platform owners can decide what videos are worthy of earning money).

    • @mrbrianbrush
      @mrbrianbrush Před 4 lety +13

      @@lifter1000 you upset gil?

    • @lifter1000
      @lifter1000 Před 4 lety +2

      Always

    • @lifter1000
      @lifter1000 Před 4 lety

      The whole article you wrote is related somehow to the subject of this video?

  • @BenSullinsOfficial
    @BenSullinsOfficial Před 5 lety +622

    I'm sticking with they roll for fun

    • @hmm396
      @hmm396 Před 3 lety +6

      No

    • @prohz9129
      @prohz9129 Před 3 lety +35

      Edvin Tabakovic: no you can’t just do it for fun
      *haha roll go brrrrrr*

    • @lucky5853
      @lucky5853 Před 3 lety +16

      Yeah, but first they rock and then they roll.

    • @markushahn9123
      @markushahn9123 Před 3 lety +4

      Because loopings are not so a good idea, exept the orbital ones.

    • @hamburgerhamburger4064
      @hamburgerhamburger4064 Před 3 lety +2

      That must hurt

  • @ioresult
    @ioresult Před 5 lety +533

    KSP really comes to life when used as an educative tool. I love it.

    • @cjax469
      @cjax469 Před 4 lety +15

      2:52 engines are in the front, not the back. This bothers me lol.

    • @alanmaclaren4118
      @alanmaclaren4118 Před 3 lety +1

      Hey give some credit to sfs

    • @felsfat4734
      @felsfat4734 Před 3 lety

      Alan MacLaren SFS is ridiculously unrealistic

    • @alanmaclaren4118
      @alanmaclaren4118 Před 3 lety +4

      @felsfat because the developers are trying to make the game as simple as possible for players to understand it, plus the game has realistic orbital mechanics

    • @beats007
      @beats007 Před 3 lety

      How to download ksp?

  • @higgydufrane
    @higgydufrane Před 5 lety +204

    The man loves talking about rockets. It makes it so much easier to listen when the speaker is enthusiastic about the topic. Well Done.

  • @liesdamnlies3372
    @liesdamnlies3372 Před 5 lety +196

    I kinda love how KSP can be used as a tool to demonstrate so many of the basics of spaceflight.

    • @theswagman1263
      @theswagman1263 Před 4 lety +6

      So glad I took the time to get vaguely competent at ksp. Gives you a way better understanding of spaceflight. Furthest I've had a manned (kerballed?) landing is only Duna tho

    • @martinincze1911
      @martinincze1911 Před 4 lety +7

      @@theswagman1263 Build a refueling station on minmus mate. I launch all my craft to minmus where i have a permanent mining operation going with massive fuel tanks. I fuel up there and then on.

    • @baflabies
      @baflabies Před 4 lety +2

      @@martinincze1911 Thx ama try that:)

  • @SpecialEDy
    @SpecialEDy Před 5 lety +214

    Yup, In Kerbal Space Program, I learned that separatrons and flea boosters arent enough to separate some larger asparagus boosters. You need to constantly roll to keep the next pair of separating boosters parallel with the horizon

    • @SpecialEDy
      @SpecialEDy Před 3 lety +20

      @Addison Brendtro the plumbing is very difficult. As far as I know, only the space shuttle and Buran Energia have a retractable fuel coupling like this to an external tank, but they detatch after Main Engine Cutoff

    • @solomanwill1
      @solomanwill1 Před 3 lety +2

      "Why do cylindrical rockets roll?" Because they rock!!!

    • @eliethdiez964
      @eliethdiez964 Před 3 lety

      @Addison Brendtro falcon heavy uses asparagus staging

    • @CarlosAM1
      @CarlosAM1 Před 3 lety +8

      @@eliethdiez964 it doesnt. It was going to but it was decided it would not

    • @Thor_the_Doge
      @Thor_the_Doge Před 3 lety +1

      Oh, so I'm not the only one who keeps my rockets stable in ksp by rolling?

  • @Trev0r98
    @Trev0r98 Před 4 lety +78

    "Why do cylindrical rockets roll?" *Because they rock!!!*

  • @AmxCsifier
    @AmxCsifier Před 5 lety +380

    First time I see a thumbnail arrow which is actually useful and not spammy

    • @mr.boomguy
      @mr.boomguy Před 5 lety +6

      And it's not even that eyecatching 😉

    • @AmxCsifier
      @AmxCsifier Před 5 lety +8

      @@mr.boomguy It doesn't have to be eye catching because I actively look for them in thumbnails 😅

    • @AmxCsifier
      @AmxCsifier Před 5 lety +5

      @C S English is neither my first nor my second language so my English may not be perfect but I'm always learning and I thank you for providing a correct example. 🤗

    • @bfunkt4313
      @bfunkt4313 Před 5 lety +3

      @C S You couldn't even take the time to write a complete sentence when complaining about someone else's English?

    • @roderickwhitehead
      @roderickwhitehead Před 5 lety +1

      🎯

  • @dongurudebro4579
    @dongurudebro4579 Před 5 lety +349

    Another great video. At first it seems like a no problem, but you really did a good job explaining why its necessary and how it works.
    Moreover i really have to thank you for your ever increasing quality standard; nowadays you live up to your name, cause it is literally out of this world! ;-)

    • @arghya426
      @arghya426 Před 5 lety +1

      Agreed😊

    • @falafeldurum2095
      @falafeldurum2095 Před 5 lety

      great video, but I disagree with Everyday Astronaut that it especially would make sense that asymmetrical rockets roll..

    • @micahrandall1344
      @micahrandall1344 Před 5 lety +1

      he does good job every time

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      @chemiegamerpeter1326 Před 5 lety +2

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    • @dongurudebro4579
      @dongurudebro4579 Před 5 lety +3

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  • @emkasCG
    @emkasCG Před 4 lety +29

    As someone learning 3d animation, the term "gimbal lock" gives me shivers

    • @IDoNotLikeHandlesOnYT
      @IDoNotLikeHandlesOnYT Před 3 lety +1

      How does gimbal lock apply in that context? It's been probably 15 years since I've done any 3D animation (just for fun), and I learned about gimbal lock only a few years ago.

    • @emkasCG
      @emkasCG Před 3 lety +4

      @@IDoNotLikeHandlesOnYT basically makes your joints really hard to control and sometimes causes weird movements between keyframes.

    • @NHAFFFF
      @NHAFFFF Před 3 lety +1

      @@emkasCG good luck with animation :)

    • @abizair1832
      @abizair1832 Před 2 lety

      I hope there's no more gimbal lock on Artemis & Starship missions.

  • @nettlesoup
    @nettlesoup Před 4 lety +9

    I skipped watching this video the first time it came up in my recommendations because I guessed it wouldn't be that interesting.
    Boy, was I wrong! This was fascinating from start to finish, and I really enjoyed the way you put it all together and summarized at the end. 🙏🙏

  • @myrobotfish
    @myrobotfish Před 5 lety +493

    Most dads: "Okay are we ready to rock-and-roll?"
    Tim as a dad: "Okay are we ready to rocket-roll?"

    • @panda3d180
      @panda3d180 Před 5 lety +2

      I saw this from the phinese and ferb show thing

    • @edmund3504
      @edmund3504 Před 5 lety +1

      ready to rock pitch yaw and roll dad

    • @hazgebu
      @hazgebu Před 5 lety +3

      Are you ready for Rick & Roll?
      czcams.com/video/cSAp9sBzPbc/video.html

    • @steve1978ger
      @steve1978ger Před 5 lety +3

      It's only rocket roll, but I like it.

    • @myrobotfish
      @myrobotfish Před 5 lety

      @@steve1978ger Rock-and-roll. Rock-et-roll

  • @BillPickle
    @BillPickle Před 5 lety +67

    Man that 20 minutes flew by so fast, and was still incredibly informative and entertaining. Great video Tim!

    • @FlyGuy2000
      @FlyGuy2000 Před rokem

      Totally! I was like, "Well maybe I'll just watch a few minutes of this" and then it was over.

  • @pilsnrimgaard2507
    @pilsnrimgaard2507 Před 4 lety +6

    Wow, the scary part is I actually comprehended almost half of what you just covered. So much to know. I will have to watch all of your videos now that I'm hooked. Great stuff to know! And always remember, Rockets don't fly, they roast the air into submission.

  • @jacobsteinebronn2966
    @jacobsteinebronn2966 Před 5 lety +752

    IMU stands for Inertial Measurement Unit not Instrument unit
    Please upvote so he can see this

    • @mattsi-eb4bo
      @mattsi-eb4bo Před 5 lety +14

      Hello fellow redditor

    • @nicholasboccio
      @nicholasboccio Před 5 lety +7

      came to comments to say this as well

    • @bennylofgren3208
      @bennylofgren3208 Před 5 lety +2

      @@nicholasboccio Me too.

    • @joevignolor4u949
      @joevignolor4u949 Před 5 lety +23

      Correct. The IU is the entire Instrumentation Unit. The Inertial Measurement Unit (IMU) is a major component of the IU that is located inside it.

    • @jocax188723
      @jocax188723 Před 5 lety +5

      It's okay
      Tory Bruno beat us to it
      twitter.com/torybruno/status/1141298274491613184

  • @Davide_sd
    @Davide_sd Před 5 lety +63

    Another great video, thanks Everyday Astronaut. One thing I'm not entirely sure about is the 20% increase of payload capacity of the Space Shuttle (that would be insane!!!!). A few months back I followed the entire open course "Engineering the Space Shuttle" at EdX, and the question "why the SS perfomed the roll maneuver" came up a few times. The engineers doing the talks gave 2 reasons:
    1. They were re-using old Apollo launch pad, therefore they were subjected to their limitation and needed to be able to place the vehicle at the right attitude (with the roll maneuver).
    2. The aerodynamic engineers figured it out that there was less stress on the orbiter when it was sitting underneath the main tank during the max Q phase (maximum areodynamic pressure), this was because (as you mentioned) the thrust was directed throught the center of the mass of the entire system, therefore the orbiter was somewhat skewed with respect to the flight path.
    Funny story (I don't know if it's actually true, but it was stated on the aformentioned course): when Soviet launched their first and only Buran, they too did the roll maneuver. They didn't have to, because their launch pad was capable of giving the right attitude to the vehicles. So american engineers (after the collapse of the soviet union) asked russian engineers: why did you do that roll maneuver??? They replied: "Because you did it" :)

    • @eigenvalue9358
      @eigenvalue9358 Před 5 lety +9

      I'm no rocket engineer by any means, but the payload increase seems quite logical to me. As stated in the video the engines of the space shuttle had to gimble outward in order to compensate for the far stronger thrust of the booster. If now the space shuttle is aligned so the booster is "outside" of the flight curve and the shuttle "inside" of that curve there is less need for compensation. I can just guess that this way less gimble has to be used on the engines, which would sound more efficient to me. In case I'm wrong please someone smarter correct me.

    • @kindlin
      @kindlin Před 5 lety +2

      There are a number of reasons that make having the the heavy, lopsided thing orient earthwards makes sense, not least of which what Eigen Value discussed. With less stress on the vehicle, the vehicle can now handle more weight within. With this being the case, the critical limit state must have been the structural integrity of the shuttle/booster at max-Q.
      I would have thought it would have to do with how much fuel you can fit into the tanks, but maybe the tanks aren't always full, and, actually, they only have as much as they need?

    • @matejlieskovsky9625
      @matejlieskovsky9625 Před 5 lety +6

      If the improved aerodynamic saved a few percent of fuel and the decreased engine gimbal saved a few percent of fuel and the reduced stress allowed for a little more fuel on board and a little lighter shuttle... Yeah, I can imagine that made a 20% payload difference. Don't forget, that would be a change of roughly 5 tonnes to LEO on a 2000 tonne system.

    • @kpatelPub
      @kpatelPub Před 5 lety +6

      Tim mentions that the increase was from the shuttle being in the wake of the tank, presumably indicating aerodynamic benefits. I also wonder if it might have benefited from the fact that, with engines always gimbaled outward, situating the shuttle underneath automatically orients its engines' thrust vectors so as to have a stronger upward component to them throughout the fight path than they would in the opposite position. Apologies if this idea is foolishness. I, neither, am a rocket engineer. :D

    • @matejlieskovsky9625
      @matejlieskovsky9625 Před 5 lety +2

      @@kpatelPub Rockets don't care about upward thrust - most of their energy goes into moving sideways. You really just want forward thrust and the rocket mostly just pitches over to point where it needs to.
      The whole SSME gimbal vs SRB offset and gimbal thing is getting more complicated the longer I look at it. :-(

  • @jacksagrafsky4936
    @jacksagrafsky4936 Před 5 lety +72

    "Stick the pointy end" in the direction you want to go?? I have to go now this highly technical talk is way over my head.

    • @a64738
      @a64738 Před 4 lety

      That actually work if you have enough fuel and power... I successfully managed to go to the moon in Kerbal Space Program using that method but it is ineffective.

    • @small_SHOT
      @small_SHOT Před 4 lety +2

      in ksp my abominations usually commit explosion

    • @fancy4663
      @fancy4663 Před 3 lety +1

      This conversation is too high iq for me

    • @achtsekundenfurz7876
      @achtsekundenfurz7876 Před 3 lety +1

    • @theEWDSDS
      @theEWDSDS Před 3 lety

      Ha ha very funny

  • @PeterArnold1969
    @PeterArnold1969 Před 5 lety +7

    Another amazing explanation of what can be a complicated subject. Always remember, going to space is HARD!
    Thanks for putting the time in to make this.

  • @KonstaKokC
    @KonstaKokC Před 5 lety +1296

    In Soviet Яussia launch pad rolls you 🚀

  • @bluered3228
    @bluered3228 Před 5 lety +38

    Thanks. We all really appreciate the obvious time and effort you put into your videos.

    • @zymosan99
      @zymosan99 Před 5 lety

      i cant tell if this is sarcastic or not

    • @bluered3228
      @bluered3228 Před 5 lety

      @@zymosan99 it's not. Perhaps if it was about his live streams, we'd have something to be sarcastic about...

    • @zymosan99
      @zymosan99 Před 5 lety

      @@bluered3228 ok

  • @prjndigo
    @prjndigo Před 5 lety +61

    You forgot centripetal distribution of fuel / slosh dampening.

    • @integralmath
      @integralmath Před 5 lety +12

      Plus there's moisture in the air that gets it wet. 'Roll program' and 'rolling about its x-axis' is just a highfalutin way of talking about putting it on spin cycle.

    • @kvltizt
      @kvltizt Před 4 lety +6

      It helps prevent resonant waves forming in fuel, I suppose?

  • @marco_plebani
    @marco_plebani Před 4 lety +3

    I've developed a mild addiction to your videos recently. They make me marvel at the many unexpected challenges of space exploration and at the spectacular engineering ingenuity that overcome them.

  • @borgman151
    @borgman151 Před 5 lety +77

    Wow Tim! Even an idiot like me can now understand azimuth, pitch, yaw and roll in rockets. You are brilliant sir.

    • @thunderbird1921
      @thunderbird1921 Před 5 lety

      Remarkable so, why did the space shuttle not roll after a few moments? Did the wings stabilize the whole launch stack during flight?

  • @jebediahkerman3826
    @jebediahkerman3826 Před 5 lety +97

    Other world: *turns a rocket to its flight asimuth*
    Soviets: *turn a launchpad to rocket's flight asimuth*

    • @oremooremo5075
      @oremooremo5075 Před 5 lety +19

      Jedediah Kerman Other world pours millions of litres of water to reduce sound levels during launch. Soviets build a deeper trench

    • @TarsoFranchis
      @TarsoFranchis Před 5 lety +6

      Another world: build rockets horizontally, like a production line, USA: They build the most difficult, vertically, needs a costly VAB and large tugs for the pad. xD

    • @nikolatasev4948
      @nikolatasev4948 Před 4 lety +7

      In Soviet Russia launchpad rotates you.

    • @notmenotme614
      @notmenotme614 Před 4 lety +1

      @@TarsoFranchis How fragile the payload is determines is it can be fitted horizontally or vertically. Because the payload is designed for less gravitational forces and can’t withstand the weight bearing on Earth in certain directions

    • @obsidianop9802
      @obsidianop9802 Před 4 lety +4

      The soviets were pretty genius in terms of spaceflight
      Yes, more genius that the US

  • @yodaandthebike5839
    @yodaandthebike5839 Před 4 lety

    This was an awesome video. I watched someone else trying to explain roll a few days ago and came away with more questions than when I started. Brilliantly explained and the summary at the end was perfect.

  • @QRSTUVWXYZ123ify
    @QRSTUVWXYZ123ify Před 4 lety

    Hats off, wonderful presentation!!! Thx to anyone helping produce these and to your patrons.

  • @facuigua12
    @facuigua12 Před 5 lety +7

    The quality of this channel is simply breathtaking.

  • @rowde8203
    @rowde8203 Před 5 lety +357

    10:50
    "It's nice to keep it simple"
    while literally talking about ROCKET SCIENCE

    • @TheGreatDrAsian
      @TheGreatDrAsian Před 5 lety +4

      That's the best part! :D

    • @TheBrandoGR
      @TheBrandoGR Před 5 lety +34

      It's actually exactly why they need to keep it simple. Any added complexity can increase the risk of failure by a substantial amount.

    • @AdrianoCasemiro
      @AdrianoCasemiro Před 5 lety

      Simpler will do.

    • @Sciguy95
      @Sciguy95 Před 5 lety +3

      I have a shirt that says,
      Aerospace engineering:
      It's not rocket science,
      Oh wait, yes it is.

    • @Theraot
      @Theraot Před 5 lety +1

      @@Sciguy95 So, you like to signal that you think engineering and science are the same thing

  • @dukecity7688
    @dukecity7688 Před 4 lety +2

    Finding this at my late age is just thrilling. Let me be clear. I played this three times and i am years away from understanding but i don't care because i love watching and you are a great teacher - You are great and i feel lucky to have found your site. First go up really fast - then sideways really,really fast. Funny Thank You

    • @nathanwahl9224
      @nathanwahl9224 Před rokem

      You got it! Just add "And point it in the right direction, too." Methinks you understand a lot more than you let on to, and a LOT more than most folks in the general population do!!! I'm "at that age," do understand most of it; now, that is anyway. And have wondered about these whys for six decades! It IS rocket science: If you liked it, you're doing great! Cool!

  • @ericcsuf
    @ericcsuf Před rokem

    This could have been a terminally boring video esp. for someone who never even considered why rockets roll. It wasn't...boring, that is. I didn't even realize I had just watched a 20 minute video until someone in the comments mentioned it. Very entertaining and informative. You're a talented teacher.

  • @AthanImmortal
    @AthanImmortal Před 5 lety +5

    Tim, I really appreciate that you asked a question on twitter that turned into a whole video. You're one of the best examples of not being afraid to ask what you don't know, especially with some of the idiotic replies you got. The video is fantastic, well produced, great narrated. Thanks again!

  • @Gibson99
    @Gibson99 Před 5 lety +164

    Tim: Hey Elon, why was there a big roll in the launch from Vandenberg today?
    Elon: That's how I roll...

    • @MrJaiimez
      @MrJaiimez Před 5 lety +13

      Although like others have said, it's highly unlikely they didnt have a reason, but I would be crying with laughter if he did it just to mess with Tim, it would be beautiful. Let's face it his speed in responding to the raptor video I wouldn't be surprised if he was a patreon and was able to see bits of the video before release.

    • @drpeejay54
      @drpeejay54 Před 4 lety +2

      Robert Slackware That’s what I’ve been saying all along😏

    • @zhongxina9420
      @zhongxina9420 Před 3 lety +1

      @Robert Slackware *insert angry essay here*
      Just kidding you don't desrve attention

  • @rickskrovan2477
    @rickskrovan2477 Před 4 lety

    I don't know how you don't have more subscribers on this channel. Your videos are always so informational! Soon as my kids are old enough to comprehend what you are talking about, they will be watching your channel. Keep up the awesome work!

  • @joncapps3338
    @joncapps3338 Před 4 lety

    Just wanted to say thanks, I've always been a space nerd but don't have the math skills to understand engineering speak. You hit the perfect balance of common sense layman terminology but still giving a really precise and comprehensive explanation. Great job and I've learned so much.

  • @shehulsuratwala2684
    @shehulsuratwala2684 Před 5 lety +21

    This is what a quality video should look like. Amazing explanation and knowledge rich content.
    Seriously man, Hats off to your work. You have improved your videos quite a lot.

    • @esecallum
      @esecallum Před 5 lety

      DONT YOU FIND IT BORING?

    • @fruitella196
      @fruitella196 Před 5 lety

      Ese Callum no?

    • @shehulsuratwala2684
      @shehulsuratwala2684 Před 5 lety +1

      @@esecallum It is definitely more interesting than reading your useless comment and replying to it.
      From which angle you think it is boring?
      I am an engineer and I know how much time they have invested in development of these rockets and the math behind it. For me it is very interesting. You please enjoy your cats and dogs videos.

    • @shehulsuratwala2684
      @shehulsuratwala2684 Před 5 lety

      @@fruitella196 English please.

    • @fruitella196
      @fruitella196 Před 5 lety

      Shehul Suratwala what are you on about? It was English

  • @windmillstudio
    @windmillstudio Před 5 lety +7

    Speaking of rocket azimuths...
    In 2017 Russian "Fregat" booster has failed to deliver some communication sats to the orbit. The launch was happening on the new "Vostochny" cosmodrome, which has a starting azimuth of 168°. Target azimuth for lower stage was 354°. So the lower stage has decided prior to launch: "I need to rotate from 168 to 354, the fastest way is to rotate left by 174 degrees". Target azimuth after separation for upper stage, however, was 344°. So the upper stage has decided before launch: "I'm gonna rotate right by 170 degrees, it's the fastest way". Then after launch when the first stage completed the roll succesfully to the left, the upper stage calculated correctly that it is only 10° to the right from it's target direction, but it already decided on the ground that the fastest way to roll is to roll right... So it started to roll full 350° to the right, but didn't make it before second stage ignition and has gone to the wrong unstable orbit, ditching to the Atlantic Ocean shortly after.
    The problem was in the code of booster's navigation system, but it always worked just fine before, because there was never such an unfortunate combination of azimuths.

    • @chmeee9562
      @chmeee9562 Před 5 lety +1

      thanks for sharing that!

    • @janiss2926
      @janiss2926 Před 4 lety

      yikes! - that's an oopsie! :)

    • @kvltizt
      @kvltizt Před 4 lety

      That is a painful way to figure that out.

  • @kenfreeman8888
    @kenfreeman8888 Před rokem +3

    You helped clarify a lot for me. Thank you.

  • @keithbrown2458
    @keithbrown2458 Před 2 lety

    This is probably my third or fourth time to watch this film because I forgot all the reasons why the rotation you’re the first one to actually explain most all of them if not all of them indeed, Thank you sir for keeping me well educated, love your stuff man!

  • @andie_pants
    @andie_pants Před 5 lety +75

    Wow, you managed to keep my A.D.D. butt in the chair until 20:24. Well done! (This is legit a compliment, in case it sounds smartassy)

    • @mas13ish1
      @mas13ish1 Před 5 lety +2

      I have to agree the ADD is strong with me too, but I finished it.

    •  Před 5 lety +1

      @@mas13ish1 I am going to make a com-

    • @jazz21977
      @jazz21977 Před 4 lety

      Oh hello! Me here?... *eh focus dude*... oh yeah.. I actually made it to the end too.. LOL

    • @machy8515
      @machy8515 Před 4 lety

      Michael Siemon same

  • @Airguardian
    @Airguardian Před 5 lety +29

    Wonderful, WONDERFUL video! Well done! :D

  • @craigdeandean4036
    @craigdeandean4036 Před rokem +2

    Great job Tim I really enjoy your episodes I grew up in the time of Apollo and ever since have been mesmerized by space!
    Thank you

  • @nathanwahl9224
    @nathanwahl9224 Před rokem

    Absolutely answers questions I've had for six decades!!!! Thank you!!!

  • @gramulho1
    @gramulho1 Před 5 lety +7

    Loved your channel buddy! When my son learns enough english, he will love it it. Mean while I translate everything to him! Cheers man! Keep up the science!

  • @LordOstrik
    @LordOstrik Před 5 lety +33

    As someone from that area of Iowa... I feel special lol.

    • @grlldfsh123
      @grlldfsh123 Před 5 lety

      I ALSO am from Iowa, felt good to be youtube recognized on a quality video

    • @JeremiahCecil
      @JeremiahCecil Před 4 lety

      Hear, hear!

    • @TheSaheasy
      @TheSaheasy Před 4 lety

      It’s weird hearing someone online talking about a town I’m am used to.

    • @curtislowe4577
      @curtislowe4577 Před 4 lety

      Oddly Rocket Man overlooked that the streets in the downtown Houston are also oriented 45° to the compass points.

  • @jamesf6315
    @jamesf6315 Před 5 lety

    Fascinating! Thanks for digging in and figuring it out!

  • @MisterLiftoff
    @MisterLiftoff Před 4 lety

    This was exactly the question, what I wanted to be andwered since a very long time! Thank you very much for your great explanation!

  • @oliverdots
    @oliverdots Před 5 lety +16

    Not only is this well explained, it's answered a question I have asked myself for many years. Great Video

  • @djdm2603
    @djdm2603 Před 5 lety +73

    When you forgot to add sepatrons to your SRBs and dont wanna blow up when staging.

    • @MrFlarespeed
      @MrFlarespeed Před 5 lety +3

      When u added sepatrons but they don't work well enough to not boom your kerbals

    • @valorkaizen
      @valorkaizen Před 5 lety

      @@MrFlarespeed when you use those small solid thrusters to launch your Rocket

    • @tylisirn
      @tylisirn Před 5 lety +8

      You don't need sepatrons 99% of the time if you attach your SRBs correctly. Instead of putting the decoupler in the middle, put the decoupler high, and then use the translate tool to move the SRB down, so that the decoupler attaches to the nose of the SRB. (Optionally, attach a strut on the bottom of the SRB to keep it rigidly connected to the rocket). This way when you decouple, the decoupler kicks the SRB such that it starts to rotate *away* from your rocket, rather than towards it like it does when the decoupler is in the "default" middle position.

    • @franklinz8098
      @franklinz8098 Před 5 lety +1

      separate them one second early so the shoot out instead of hitting the rocket

    • @ebigunso
      @ebigunso Před 5 lety

      @@franklinz8098 And by chance they shoot into your rocket instead of outwards. If you ensure that doesn't happen, you now don't have to separate early.

  • @Migs3
    @Migs3 Před 3 lety

    Excellent video. Thanks for taking the time to film and edit it and of course for positing it for our benefit. Keep up the good work! -Migs

  • @reda.woodcock
    @reda.woodcock Před 3 lety +1

    Amazing video, man. So much info and so clear (nice gfx, they really help) and answered a head-scratcher for me. Thanks!

  • @mikekocziban
    @mikekocziban Před 5 lety +38

    I love rocket-roll, so put another dime in the soyuz baby!

  • @theanonymous393
    @theanonymous393 Před 5 lety +12

    Great Video, really appreciate your work. :)

  • @davidsymalla
    @davidsymalla Před 5 lety +2

    I was really impressed with your knowledge!. I am so happy I stumbled onto your page. I absolutely enjoyed this video. Thank you. You just filled my head with knowledge. I had no idea. I knew that rockets rolled and now, I know why.You don’t know what you don’t know.

  • @aoiattentiononinvention8031

    First time watching your videos! Don't think I've ever subscribed to a channel without watching more than one video, but I did here. It's obvious you put a lot of effort in your research. Love it!! While rocket science is fascinating I just never put much energy towards it because of the other things I am interested. I'm making "space" in my free time for this channel. Thank you, for the spark of Interest. 👍👍👌

  • @faceplants2
    @faceplants2 Před 5 lety +10

    Out of clever comments for the day but gotta show love and keep the engagement up for Tim's channel!

  • @RaitisGrandovskis
    @RaitisGrandovskis Před 5 lety +38

    @9:48 IMU stands for Inertial measurement unit- basicly combination of multiaxial Gyro/Accel/Magnetometer , every modern phone has IMU chip inside.

    • @stevee8884
      @stevee8884 Před 5 lety +1

      MEMS-IMU : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vibrating_structure_gyroscope#MEMS_gyroscopes

    • @stevee8884
      @stevee8884 Před 5 lety +1

      All flying drones have a MEMS IMU

    • @AbsoluteDespotism
      @AbsoluteDespotism Před 5 lety +2

      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturn_V_instrument_unit

    • @kindlin
      @kindlin Před 5 lety +1

      I always wondered how our phones could do so many marvelous things, it's all because of that one chip.

    • @JesseMcCall
      @JesseMcCall Před 5 lety

      Came here to clarify. Thanks for beating me to it!

  • @frisk151
    @frisk151 Před rokem +1

    Excellent video! My brother and my kids (and both of us too!) watch all of your content. My uncle retired from NASA (in Clear Lake, TX = Houston) a decade and a half ago but we got entrance to Mission Control (guest viewing area) a few times in the 80's to watch Shuttle launches, but he only talked "rocket science" to us, which to kids is essentially static... The way you explain things is easy for even the layman to understand! Thanks!!!

  • @tracycapilot2002
    @tracycapilot2002 Před rokem +2

    Hey Tim, I grew up watching the Apollo flights and always heard that 'roger roll' callout and just figured that it (the reason) was too technical for us space fans to comprehend. THANK YOU for the explanation! Others might have 'fire hosed' us with too much info but you keep it simple. Your 'friend' Elon just toys with us simpletons (fun) but it's helpful to know why a thing does what it does. My 3 year old granddaughter is at that stage where she asks "but why?" and it occurs to me that we all ask "but why?" all our lifetimes and it's great to be taught and understand. Thank you again Sir!

  • @MrJdsenior
    @MrJdsenior Před 5 lety +4

    TIM, you could most likely NEVER figure out all the reasons for the roll program, and CERTAINLY not all the decisions that went into augmenting it. As an engineer, I can tell you that many decisions that are made are never voiced, not even in "lowly" (functionally) design reviews, and certainly never committed to "paper", and most all of them stem from a plethora of competing, often directly contrary, requirements. Payload wants the rocket to weigh nothing, structural want some "factor of safety", aero wants NOTHING anyone else wants, etc. and all with good reasons. I like that the SpaceX guys were "griefing" you on some of it, shows they are interested. With a bit of research, you could find plenty to playfully pick back, I can guarantee you....but with your little "stunt" in the space suit...maybe NOT. Keep up the good work, nice to have someone explaining this stuff to the interested layman with due diligence toward accuracy and reasonable completeness.
    Here's a fun one for you. My boss and I were walking out of the building one day, and the group in front of us was trying to figure out where their cars were parked, and started one way, then turned around and went the other. I made a snarky comment, and one of them said something to the effect of "the worst of it is we are the G&C (guidance and control) group". We got a great laugh out of that one.
    Back to the original point, I can GUARANTEE you I've made many design choices, hopefully the right ones for good reason at the time, that I will never remember again. ;-) As I often say, old age sucks

  • @toxichaos21
    @toxichaos21 Před 5 lety +3

    Thanks for the explanation 👍 it was thorough and we'll explained

  • @HohmanDesign
    @HohmanDesign Před 5 lety +1

    So good. Right in the sweet spot of overview with enough detail for curious minds.

  • @fcbrants
    @fcbrants Před 5 lety +1

    Great video, thank you!! I especially appreciated the summary the end.

  • @KRGruner
    @KRGruner Před 5 lety +13

    Man, you are killing it once again. Excellent in all respect. Keep the videos coming!

  • @bryandraughn9830
    @bryandraughn9830 Před rokem +7

    Excellent work man!
    You and your team are going places!
    Far away places! Wink wink;)
    Congrats on your trip and I can't think of a more deserving recipient.
    Peace

  • @lawrencequave8691
    @lawrencequave8691 Před 4 lety

    I absolutely LOVE your presentation technique. Young good looking guy with a nice smile, a bit of a beard wearing a t-shirt and baseball cap (at least it's not on backwards), rattling off "rocket science" stuff as if even a second-grader could understand it, with the point being that if one really wants to learn all this stuff it can be done because other's before have. I suspect there's a lot of young folks who watch your presentations (all very interesting), shake their heads in awe, and then turn and say, "Mom, I've decided I'm gonna be a rocket scientist." You wanna call me a nerd, then call me a nerd, because being a nerd is fun and I'm proud of it. Your enthusiasm makes your shows fun to watch. Keep up the good work.

  • @marekszirdzins
    @marekszirdzins Před 3 lety +1

    This is informative, inspiring and just pure joy to watch!

  • @Fish_InChips
    @Fish_InChips Před 5 lety +3

    Only through the intro and can already tell this is going to be a good video.

  • @dfdgfdgf0000
    @dfdgfdgf0000 Před 5 lety +64

    🚀 they see me rollin'
    They hatin'...

  • @deepblueuniverse
    @deepblueuniverse Před 5 lety

    Very helpful my dude! Loving these new videos.

  • @jimmyday3984
    @jimmyday3984 Před 5 lety

    Great vid, great content! You're the real deal, man. Keep up the amazing quality :)

  • @maglax
    @maglax Před 5 lety +4

    Great video as always. I did want to point out that IMU typically stands for inertial measurement unit, and consists of Accelerometers and Gyroscopes. You'll find em in a whole lot of thing (including in a good percentage of boards in any modern car). They can be pretty small too. But yeah a little nit-picky.

  • @secularmonk5176
    @secularmonk5176 Před 4 lety +19

    10:47
    Stannis Baratheon has entered the chat:
    "Fewer"

  • @user-px1wj2uv3r
    @user-px1wj2uv3r Před 3 lety

    This is one of those videos I can return to every few months. Love it.

  • @markstover984
    @markstover984 Před 5 lety

    That was the best explanation I’ve ever heard for the roll maneuver. Great video!

  • @jamesbarisitz4794
    @jamesbarisitz4794 Před 5 lety +4

    Loving the dig deep you do on all things rocket. The animations were outstanding. Super clear and beautifully presented. Oh , and top notch editing. 👍

  • @bobcousins4810
    @bobcousins4810 Před 4 lety +9

    I always wondered about this too. The V2 was literally pointed in the desired direction by rotating the launch platform, I guess before the days of electronics it only had a primitive pitch control.

    • @allangibson8494
      @allangibson8494 Před rokem

      The V-2 had a rather complex programmed pitch routine hard coded into the guidance system. The gyro’s have pitch limits due to the gyro gimbals which can lockup if over rotated. All the rockets until the shuttle had mechanical gyro’s and thus gimbal lock was a problem.

    • @johndododoe1411
      @johndododoe1411 Před rokem

      @@allangibson8494 Modern gyros are still mechanical, Just smaller.

    • @johndododoe1411
      @johndododoe1411 Před rokem

      The turned launch mount makes a lot of sense once you know that the USSR classified it's rocket program as part of the artillery. Artillery officers are used to rotating their cannon on the ground to point towards the target. Same with the V1 and V2.

    • @allangibson8494
      @allangibson8494 Před rokem

      @@johndododoe1411 The Russian R-11 Scud was a direct A-4 (V-2) descendant with a duplicate of the A-4 guidance system and engine just like the American Redstone but with even fewer changes.

    • @allangibson8494
      @allangibson8494 Před rokem

      @@johndododoe1411 Modern guidance systems are solid state using silicon accelerometers (like what’s in your phone) and laser ring “gyroscopes”. No spinning masses at all. That has been state of the art since the 1980’s.
      Reaction wheel gyroscopes are actually much larger than traditional guidance gyroscopes - because they actually move the entire flight vehicle on their own.

  • @CR3W1SH03S
    @CR3W1SH03S Před 5 lety +1

    Awesome vid. I always wondered about this and now, thanks to you, I know!

  • @pushing2throttles
    @pushing2throttles Před rokem

    I like rewatching this every now and then to keep my knowledge base sharp. What a great presentation.

  • @xnandox
    @xnandox Před 5 lety +12

    watched the video 4 times... still haven't got it yet... gonna re watch it 5 more times...
    i'll keep you post.

    • @xnandox
      @xnandox Před 5 lety +1

      I just kind of got it. For real I watched 12 times. I'm a huge nerd, and an all time weirdo, but this video clarified me a bunch of my weird theories. for instance:
      1.- That "Boring Company" doing high speed tunnels... that might be 1st stage development for: Rail gun orbital objects, and so forth.
      2.- within that cannon you can test all the "early life theories"
      3.- I'm kind of high and Iost my point

    • @rhijermem9300
      @rhijermem9300 Před 4 lety +1

      ok

  • @BeechSportBill
    @BeechSportBill Před 5 lety +4

    How Air Force Missileers understood the guidance system... The missile knows where it is at all times. It knows this because it knows where it isn't. By subtracting where it is from where it isn't, or where it isn't from where it is (whichever is greater), it obtains a difference, or deviation. The guidance subsystem uses deviations to generate corrective commands to drive the missile from a position where it is to a position where it isn't, and arriving at a position where it wasn't, it now is. Consequently, the position where it is, is now the position that it wasn't, and it follows that the position that it was, is now the position that it isn't.
    In the event that the position that it is in is not the position that it wasn't, the system has acquired a variation, the variation being the difference between where the missile is, and where it wasn't. If variation is considered to be a significant factor, it too may be corrected by the GEA. However, the missile must also know where it was.
    The missile guidance computer scenario works as follows. Because a variation has modified some of the information the missile has obtained, it is not sure just where it is. However, it is sure where it isn't, within reason, and it knows where it was. It now subtracts where it should be from where it wasn't, or vice-versa, and by differentiating this from the algebraic sum of where it shouldn't be, and where it was, it is able to obtain the deviation and its variation, which is called error.

    • @TheNevawuz
      @TheNevawuz Před 5 lety

      Like dribbling a ball with your eyes closed.

  • @paulwalsh2344
    @paulwalsh2344 Před 4 lety

    Man, you're so smart and your videos are so informative and yet still accessible to us ordinary ground dwellers !

  • @Enemji
    @Enemji Před 4 lety

    With the amount of reasearch you do, you could and should be awarded a honorary degree in Rocket Science.

  • @edwardstrassberger2024
    @edwardstrassberger2024 Před 5 lety +4

    Roll to azimuth could be 180 degrees around. Alignment was to make the astronauts sink into seat rather than fly up, restrained by safety belts. Other way would be like going over the top of a roller coaster or an outside loop. It also keeps the breakfast down!

  • @topiastanhuala5146
    @topiastanhuala5146 Před 5 lety +16

    🎵They see me rolling, they hatin'...🎵

    • @Bacongamer13789
      @Bacongamer13789 Před rokem

      🎵 Patrolling and tryna catch me gravity turning 🎵

  • @thomasdillon7761
    @thomasdillon7761 Před rokem +1

    Thank you for answering a question that I have had since the 1960s,

  • @Artemis-ko4ug
    @Artemis-ko4ug Před 3 lety

    Hey Tim thank u very much🙏, took a while to understand the science behind rolling of rockets,
    had to rewind and watch it again a few times, now that I understand it I feel extra smart.
    Great video man👌, keep up the good work👍.

  • @REDACT3D
    @REDACT3D Před 5 lety +7

    extra points for KSP custom flag -
    I learned somthin ^.^

  • @jimmyb998
    @jimmyb998 Před 4 lety +10

    20:40 You forgot one: sometimes, they just roll for fun ;)

  • @joekresan8990
    @joekresan8990 Před rokem

    This was quality content worth every minute. Thank you. Well done!

  • @blainelanders2361
    @blainelanders2361 Před rokem

    Dude! Thank you. You get right to it with the facts I am interested in.

  • @night_aviation
    @night_aviation Před 5 lety +4

    Gotta love how Tim explains it with KSP

  • @DerKiesch
    @DerKiesch Před 5 lety +3

    15:30 - I think flying parallel to the horizon should give you an additional small amount of lift allowing for a less fuel consuming ascent profile. Since the drag should be roughly the same in perpendicular or parallel configuration, this might be the main reason.
    From KSP (with ferram) I personally noticed that the rocket seems to also be more stable if you fly parallel.

  • @Prestomeco202
    @Prestomeco202 Před 4 lety

    Brilliant, insightful analysis. I used to build spacecraft and didn't know most of this stuff. Thanks so much Tim!

  • @jefflindeman
    @jefflindeman Před 5 lety

    I love discovering a "new" channel; and by that I mean a mature one that: *rolls to align it's azimuth, rather than moving it's launch pad, easing the viewers guidance by considering topic structure and streamlining presentation (aerodynamics), orienting the viewer's vantage point for logically sequenced deployment, adding thrust to it's communication of complex data through a stable and understandable downlink.*
    ...takes a big breath and I think that covers it. New sub - was a physics and astronomy major (w/ art minor). Never worked in the field; spent 20yrs as a working saxman and then 20 more as an advertising photographer. Spirit name: Dances with Squirrels. Cheers~

  • @beaudanner
    @beaudanner Před 5 lety +3

    That was so interesting and being so in depth helped me understand this a lot. I've seen this explained before but your video might help me actually commit this to memory.
    I would love a video on azmeuth and inclination and the sperical trig you mentioned. I'm crazy interested in how we pinpoint precise orbits. To the weeds! :)

  • @MrMattie725
    @MrMattie725 Před 4 lety +3

    "A nice simple zero" you say, that is, until somewhere someone forgets an exeption and the computer tries to divide by zero :D

  • @jesstheheathen
    @jesstheheathen Před 5 lety

    Just happened on this video as a recommended one. Love that you use KSP for your breakdown here man.

  • @robertgift
    @robertgift Před 4 lety +1

    Well done! Nice, clear graphics.
    Many do not realize orbit isimply falling toward earth, butraveling fast enough that you continually fall beyond the horizon.

  • @lyrimetacurl0
    @lyrimetacurl0 Před 5 lety +35

    "Actually, it is rocket science."

  • @AndrewTheiss
    @AndrewTheiss Před 5 lety +19

    In case you don't want to sit around for 22 minutes to get an answer it's at 5:30. The rocket rolls to align itself with its flight azimuth so that the rest of the launch is reduced to only pitch adjustments.

    • @SpydersByte
      @SpydersByte Před 4 lety

      you see a question like this and can't even wait around 6 minutes for the full answer?

    • @ImaSpacePotato
      @ImaSpacePotato Před 4 lety

      @@SpydersByte That is the answer. Anything else is added context or fluff.

    • @SpydersByte
      @SpydersByte Před 4 lety +1

      @@ImaSpacePotato added context or fluff? At the end of the video he lists multiple answers to the title question that were explained throughout. If you think everything but "it rolls to align it's flight azimuth" is just added context or fluff you must've had terrible grades in school. Why do you even bother to watch videos like this with such a meager sense of curiosity?

    • @ThetaDyne
      @ThetaDyne Před 4 lety +1

      Most it is super super basic.
      The real answer to why symmetrical rockets roll is that the rockets aren't symmetrical.