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- The Sound Couple returns to a venue they haven't been at for many years to support the band for a wedding.
For this event, we put the band all on in-ears and the bass player left his amp behind. Minimizing the stage volume in cavernous venues really helps clean up the sound. The CDL's came through again in providing great coverage and clean top end on a wide stage.
The Sound Couple primarily use PreSonus gear featuring:
PreSonus UC Surface
PreSonus CDL12
PreSonus CDL18s
PreSonus 32R
PreSonus SW5E
PreSonus NSB Stageboxes
PreSonus AVB-D16 - Hudba
I recently discovered your YT site and am really enjoying it. I handle PR, content gathering etc for several pro audio manufacturers and, in my opinion, your videos are as good as any "how to" or "how we do this" videos around. Keep up the great work!
Thanks Greg! One of our goals was to show our gear out in the battle field...the good and the bad. As much as product reviews can be helpful, they are really just an addendum to marketing material. We happen to use the gear we do because it works for us. We also try to give people good insights to what it can do and what we do to pull it all off.
Rooms like that with those recessed decorative ceilings certainly can present a challenge; it really helps when the band you're working with "get it" and play to the room. Pretty sure I've said something similar on another of your video's. I mixed for a fundraiser a couple weeks ago; the room is an old chapel, the "stage" was at the opposite end of the organ, beneath the balcony seats... The stage was a vestibule of reverb, and my word; it was a challenge... I earned my cheque that day!!
Overall, I think technology has helped us combat challenging acoustics. I have said it before as well, but it still continues to amaze me how little priority is placed into venue acoustics.
You bring back good memories of my roughly 12 years of "sound reinforcement"/band sound work around the D C area, mostly smaller venues. I learned something new from every gig and accumulated a lot of equipment said to deal with unique situations. Mixing the sound for the room (or field) was always the art and creativity of these gigs and for me, working with diverse talents and clients. Thanks for the video.
Thanks for watching! It amazes us that even at the repeat venues there is always something different - certainly keeps us on our toes!
LOVE YOU GUYS. i HAVE LEAREND A LOT FROM YOU BOTH. THANK YOU.
Thanks for watching.. glad you’re enjoying them.
Another great video as always . Sending love from California you two are awesome!
We appreciate you watching our videos - hopefully we are providing some insight to winter gigging here in the midwest!
I am a bandleader of a band similar to power of 10 in the state of Oregon. I really appreciate your videos!!!! In this video I saw that loading dock and my policy has always been I won’t move my rig out of the dock unless someone tells me to LOL. Also Gator makes a pretty cheap canvas bag that will hold two of your ultimate light stands. Better quality bag instead of the ultimate bags. Keep up the videos they are great !!!!
Our Ultimate stands don't get much love but they are one of the hardest working pieces of equipment we own! Stacy recently went through and cleaned them all up, but still no cases for them! The only time we have had dock instructions is if we have a crew to support us...that rarely happens but is a requirement for some events.
You guys are amazing. I love the coordination you guys have with each other. I am a mobile DJ so I fully understand turning the lights on to close the show. Folks don't understand that when the party is done the work is not. LOL.
Perhaps the beverages consumed have something to do with it?
Keep them coming, love the videos!
Will do Dustin! Thank you for watching and your comments!
Greetings from the Netherlands, Almere. I found you guys in my search for info on de Presonus CDL12P speakers for our Music school ;-) Love the videos!
Welcome! Hope you enjoy the content!
Love you both!!! ur videos r amazing
Thank you! That's very kind of you to say...we try!
I have a cover band I work with regularly over here and am gradually converting them to IEMs. Having the drummer use them drops the stage volume enormously. Next I’m targeting the rest of the backline. The Pre2 setting for the Flex mixes is a great feature for these sorts of mixes. Enjoyed your video.
Stay tuned as the story continues....I would be curios as to why "pre2"...doesn't main fader movement impact the level in their ears?
@@thesoundcouple no it just means they get the Fat channel
Processing sent to their ears. Effectively it gives them a fuller mix with all the dynamics and EQ. You do need to be careful not to over compress vocals but it works well.
wow Nice set up and sounds great! Band is good
Thanks Michael! Much more coming up!
Que buenos videos, no me queda mas que felicitar a usted y a su esposa, el gran trabajo que hacen, un audio muy bueno y de mucha calidad. Saludos y mucho éxito 👋🏻😊
¡Gracias! ¡Es muy amable de tu parte decirlo!
@@thesoundcouple espero pronto tener el gusto de conocerlos en persona
Another great gig. It’s always a dilemma between hard and soft cases, we currently have a mixture. I find it’s driven by what transport you will be using. If it’s only the van then soft cases are the way to go but if I’m using the big trailer then it’s hard cases all the way - they are just so easy to move. I find flight cases allow you to be more organised by using draw cases etc. cost is another factor as the flight cases soon add up.
All excellent points.....exactly the same here. We used to use more caster based cases back when we used a trailer more often but they are not as practical to use in a van pack. We understand that there are ramps available, but I am convinced we would not be able to then carry the full show that we can pull off out of van if we were using road cases....we would run out of room.
Great videos i see ..jamundi valle colombia
Thanks for taking the time to watch!
Nice sir… love this video so much… i feel like i’m in your shoes..
Thank you!
Every event will facing different issues n challenge… so… preparation vlog will be different.. so we never get boring to watch it..
@@maqzali2585 Thank you for that feedback...I feel like we still have more to say and we try to think of different elements and perspectives to share with each video!
Another fantastic gig. I’ve seen you both at this venue before, but in another room? I’m possibly not watching your posts in date order, but I see you weren’t using the Freedom Sticks here and no sub slider (protection slopes). Nice to see you had a clear run when exiting the room (instead of diverting through the kitchen).
Yes...this was a gig we did prior to that one. We don't use the Freedom Sticks at every gig..but yes, this could have been before we had the drink sliders. We really appreciate you watching the videos as they are all still very relevant. People tend to think the new stuff is the best, but some of our best gigs are scattered through out the library!
Im from indonesia ..i interesting for your vidio sir ..😎 mantap 👍👍👍
Thank you for watching!
This was my life 10 years ago, now im on L accoustics and Grand MA 3... Miss these days..
Sometimes wonder would have like to go your path....but no regrets, just happy doing what we are doing.
@@thesoundcouplesorry if that sounded grandiose, that wasn’t the intent.. I was trying to say I look at those as very fond memories of gigs like yours and miss the freedom and fun you get to have being your own boss! Just cause I’m on a bigger scale, doesn’t mean you have any less fun and passion!!
At the end of the day, we are doing what we love, and that’s the beauty of it!!!
@@MisterMotion No worries....we understood where you were coming from. What I think is really interesting is that we are the same job at the end of the day. What's ironic is that I have mixed for famous acts/artists that some local musicians we work with could run circles around. It helped me to realize to always do your best no matter the gig and bigger doesn't necessarily always mean better!
Hey guys, great video with a lot of useful information like always. Two questions: a)what are you using to hang those light bars (top) to the speaker stands? b) what is that yellow box that the green power cord was connected to and how do you connect from there? Thank you and keep up the good work.
The Chauvet lights (4BAR-Flex) in the back have a center hole built into the cross bar that slips over the Ultimate stand pole. The fixture is not allowed to slide down the pole by a pin (provided by the Chauvet attached to the fixture) that is inserted through the the light tree stand and the fixture rests on that pin. The yellow box was a power distro that we provided by the venue. There were not many wall outlets in this ballroom, so it was nice they did this, but was necessary. Thanks for watching!
I need those stage boxes! Not in the budget this year though.
They do come in handy. We were just commenting on the video Sound Couple to the Rescue.. that even though we didn’t end up using them, it would have made things so much easier based on where their rig was placed compared to our FOH. You live and you learn!
Oh yes...first in...last to leave. 🙌
Always! (Although it’s a good laugh when we can beat the drummer out!)
Your video is amazing... I just wondered what kind of speakers you use for FOH... Appreciated
Thanks for watching! We use PreSonus CDL12 and PreSonus CDL18s for our FOH. You can always find our gear list in the info part!
So cute your wife helps you my wife went to two gigs and she's like screw this I'm not doing this ever again
Life is good! It all balances out!
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I have been watching your videos and you seem to be the only team using the CDL series from Presonus for live bands. I really appreciate you putting out the content that you do. What would be the best way to ask you guys some questions about your gear?
You can contact us at: soundcouple@comcast.net
@@thesoundcouple sweet! Someone else asked the question I was going to. Mind if I bend your ear a bit as well?
@@XIIMonkeysMusicGroup Yes, we do occasionally get some directed questions. Thanks!
Curious question, Why don't you angle the CDL12's towards the dance floor and place your subs in front of the stage in the middle for better bass coverage? Don't you get phase cancellation having the subs placed like that? I would of thought subwoofer coupling is a better option?
Ohhhh, what a can of worms :) I would agree, we could have angled the CDL12's in a bit, but they do have 120 degree of horizontal coverage, so I guess we were testing that! Sub placement, I can't go there. This is math vs logistics.....logistically, we place our subs on each side of the stage regardless of what any math says and it's a very common and traditional placement for them. I can only imagine what would happen to our subs if we were placed in middle of the stage for our gigs...they would make a wonderful drink stands and beat up much more. We try to keep the PA subtle and minimize any hazards as much as we can...so the subs go to the side.
Once again good info. In your video you mention about checking out a video on balancing the stage and front of house sound. I was looking for the video playlist log that you mention in your video. Can you please send me the link for the video.
Hi Davell, I was referring to out Faders vs. Tablets video here: czcams.com/video/ftzx_EsBLuQ/video.html Appreciate you checking out our videos. If you seen or watch others, you will see that we have mix in a way that breaks down that imaginary barrier between stage and audience....we approach these as one entity.
@@thesoundcouple Thank you
Hey guys. I'm going back over some of your videos, as I'm in waiting for the new ones to arrive! When you say the bassist is now ampless here, what is he using instead? DI box only??
The answer is yes, but in this case, he has more of bass DI with bells and whistles. But yes, essentially a fancy DI.
First of all thanks for putting your video's out for us all to see. Quick question, what is the folding stand that you are using at the 8:32 mark in the video?
That is a table we picked up years ago at the Home Depot. We have been asked by others and unfortunately, I was unable to find anything similar available today. Too bad, it's a cool design for many applications.
Hey - look what Stacy found...very similar: www.amazon.com/Yellow-Station-Outdoor-American-Plastics/dp/B097Q8Z9XV/ref=dp_prsubs_1?pd_rd_i=B097Q8Z9XV&psc=1
Hey, how, many dBs at what distance could this speaker setup do? Interested in these speakers, thanks.
I’ve seen one of your videos where it’s doing 90dB outside and far away, buts it’s with 4 speakers per side.
This is an educated guess, because the room acoustics play such a big role in volume...especially in this room. I would estimate that we could have gone at least 103-104dB from 40 feet or so pretty easily. We would not ever mix that loud for an event like this. These cabinets are not large for their class and you need keep that in perspective...we feel they produce excellent quality, but would probably go with a horn loaded cabinet if maximizing volume is a high priority.
I noticed you use the cdl12 with Dante. What made you pick those over the cdl12p? Are there any difference between the 2 besides the Dante? For twice the price I didn’t know if it was worth it.
Hi Thomas - The "p" models were not offered when we bought our first set of CDL's. Since we don't own the "p's", I can't offer any opinion on sound difference. Other differences is that the "p" are made out of plastic, instead of wood, and they can't be controlled over a network with Worx control software. However, I believe they have an LCD screen which allows you to adjust DSP.
Nice set up. I'm curious about why the height of your top boxes are set so low?
Hmm...didn't think we had them too low. Like to keep them just above head level and with the 20 degrees vertical coverage, seems like the cabinets cover well.
Great content! Running subs on a aux VS running subs on main mix.... ???
I run aux send but I’m curious what is everyone’s preference....
SC, I noticed run their subs on main mix.
Yep, we run on the main mix and utilize the HPF on channels and crossover on DSP. Michael Curtis has a great video on the downsides to running Aux fed subs which resonates with us.
@@thesoundcouple just watched that video... yeah it makes sense... I’m gonna try his setup on my next gig
Running matrix sends of the main mix 👍🏻🍻
Hey good video like always but, How do you run your keys stereo or Mono
We generally take what the keyboardist gives us....in this case, he runs mono. If a player prefers stereo, we will do that. Thanks for watching!
So i found your channel looking for videos on the StudioLive 32SC and i noticed that y'all almost exclusively use PreSonus gear. Here's my question, Sometimes when connecting outputs/Main via the AVB I don get any audio out. this happens on & off.... any ideas as to why that would happen?
Are you you saying that you are not able to get audio outputs from a stage box? If it with the same project/scene, it's likely some sort of connection issue. Otherwise, you need to make sure your AVB routing is set to route to the corresponding outputs for Main L/R.
Good day I do Aux feed sub instead of taking it from the mains that way the kick drum nor the bass guitar goes to the top but I see you link the subs to the main is that the correct way ? Cause I'm still learning 👍🏾
Hey Edson...that is a long standing debate/preference and there is no right or wrong answer. With cross overs and hi/low pass filters, there are other ways to achieve the same goals. I would highly suggest you check out Michael Curtis's CZcams channel. He has a specific video on this topic and highlights some really good points with pros/cons of aux fed subs.
26:11 Is that a clip light on the impact of the kick..? that should be highpassed before it gets to the top
Hi George...we do have have the highpass on. These cabinets I believe are really conservative on their indicators as we have heard other owners experiencing the same thing. However, going on three years and they are holding up fine so we will continue to use them as we do.
If I may asked what are you using for power, I seen the yellow box comments
In this case, the box was provided to us by the venue....not sure of the specifics on this one.
I’m think getting the 24r .. coming from Mackie
We would agree that it's a nice upgrade for you!
Hi sir . You don't use your subwoofer in personal aux out?
We do not. We let the speaker DSP do the work for us!
HOW WOULD THESE DO FOR A DJ SOUND SET UP
Are you referring to the CDL cabinets? We like to show and talk about the gear we use, but generally refrain from making recommendations as we hope our videos provide a forum for viewers to make their own decisions. I don't see why these wouldn't be good for DJ use, but I am less familiar with what requirements DJ's would have. I would start by comparing specs and if at possible, try out any cabinet out before you buy it!
I love all your rolling carts! If you had "unlimited" funds and were told to replace all the carts, what would you buy? Would you include a hydraulic scissor lift cart to help get stuff up onto higher raised stages? Obviously you are constrained by trying to fit everything into your van (or van and trailer) so I'm assuming all the carts still need to fold down as small as possible and be able to be lifted by one person.
Great question! I still love our Total Trolleys for the multi functionality. (The ladder has come in very useful). But if budget and space weren’t an issue, I think a cart like you find at IKEA that rolls nicely in tight spaces (thinking of the DJ and the Band gig). Either that or design one! Definitely have to also keep a Rockin’ Roller for its ability to be “all terrain”.
Funny that you mention a hydraulic scissor life cart, as we did carry one when we had the big EAW LA series cabinets… made it much easier to lift with being slightly height challenged!
@@thesoundcouple Fantastic! I'll look up the Rockin' Roller and Total Trolleys and see what we've got in the UK like that.
And I'll have to find out if the UK Ikea carts are the same as the US ones ...
Ok, one more question (for now!): the speaker poles between the subs and the tops, do you have shorter ones for things like the bar gigs so you can bring the tops down to closer to ear height, or do you just rely on dispersion and reflection to bring the sound down and around?
@@makingmusiconline2309 We carry 3 sets of poles (2 are basically the same). We carry a shorter 17" for 2 subs/2 tops configuration and a Gator/Rockville for other uses - using these, we are able to set the height to what we think is appropriate to the room. We introduce the Rockvilles in this video: czcams.com/video/1_dbLJkNHMI/video.html
@@thesoundcouple Rockin Roller for the win! Our guitarist has a large one, I have a small one. Great utility gear!
You are perfect....
Thank you! It’s taken many years of practice!
with musicians using inear the sound is much cleaner!
Always…. Works extremely well for indoor gigs!
I run Furmans and Black Lion Audio power conditioners. The Black Lion works with GFCI outlets everytime! The Furmans are hit and miss.
If I may ask Stacey and Bart what are you’d using for light stands. They really look sturdy compared to mine.
They are the Ultimate TeleLock stands. They have worked out really well for us...never failed.
lol "give me that mic"
Really like what you guys do! But please do something about the way you hide the covers.. beautifull stage, that Black pile looks like shit.
Hey thanks! I am not going to fully disagree with you, but we cleared with the wedding coordinator as I have mentioned in other videos the lack of storage venues provide and this place had none as well....sometimes we can use the green room, but in this case it was on another floor on street level public access, so that wasn't going to happen. Another option would have been the hallway there, but that was full of their crap and we would have contributed to the already in place fire hazard and probably gotten yelled at for making it worse. Lastly, I suppose a bigger sound co would have wheeled their cases back into the trucks in the loading dock and we don't get paid enough for that! As I mentioned in the video, it's not uncommon for these make shift storage spaces to grow as band members and in this case, the photographers add to the pile of things that have no place to go. Once the lights were down, I don't think anyone even noticed it. Once we had clearance from the wedding coordinator, we are good as far as I am concerned....If someone above her has a problem with it, then it's on them to figure out where this stuff supposed to go.
Thanks for watching!
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Thanks!
Does the band pay you?
Yes. The gigs we do, we are directly hired by the band.
You're lifting an electrical ground? You should never ever do that. I hope your insurance company isn't subscribed to your channel. You can lift signal ground if you have ground loop.
We are lifting because our PSU for our mixer occasionally doesn't work well with some GFI outlets and will trip them repeatedly. Not sure what other options there are when faced with this challenge....the rest of the system remains grounded.
Your sound system is rubbish. Using commercial movie cinema speakers will prevent peoples hearing getting damaged
Can you provide us an example of a manufacturer who provides these solutions for pro audio? What do you use?
@@thesoundcouple
I installed Commericial cinema woofers & tweeters into plastic molded PA cabinets, & cinema subwoofers are in plywood cabinets.
@@thesoundcouple
The Tannoy V300 PA speakers are a solution for pro audio, (for indoor events). For outdoors they will not have enough power for a larger audience of people.
@@Tweel_Weight_Plate Typical internet troll...... "My homemade shit is better than anything commercially available!" Maybe it is, but these types of comments don't help anyone. Besides, I have no idea how you can judge the quality of their system from the footage they provided. 90% of it was captured behind the speakers (so you are only hearing stage volume) and even the small amount that was captured in front of the speakers was captured with a cell phone. Go back under your bridge, troll!
@@BrianSimmons
Do you think music turned up ''really really loud'' is what's needed to get people up dancing?