Cycling Col du Galibier From La Grave - Alpine Perfection ! Plus Col de Sarenne - Cycling Motivation
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Today's video is a beautiful and fun one - and epitomizes what cycling is about for me. Good times with friends and now, courtesy of the e-bike, family - because Jayne takes on her second ever climb..... and it's a big one 17km all the way to 2700M above sea level !
Col du Galibier departing from La Grave. We join Ruben, Sifra, Thomas, Robert and Danique for a magnificent day out..... perfect weather and incredible vistas. And I can report that having completed the climb departing from Valloire to the North, a few days later during La Marmotte, this was my preferred route. Both are incredible, but departing from La Grave is a bit more spectacular in my opinion.
At the summit, Ruben provides an alluring option for a bonus climb, Col de Sarenne ! 13km and +900m all the way back to Alpe d'Huez
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When I rode the French Alps in 2016 that was my favourite climb
💯 Ric - mine too. From La Grave it’s perfection 👌🤩
I enjoyed the video. Great climbs and the atmosphere appears so fresh and crisp. However, I always feel short changed when videos don't start with yout trademark cheery "Welcome one and all......"
Thanks Clive 🙏 Galibier from La Grave direction was most definitely my favourite climb in the French Alps . I preferred this vs from the Telegraph for La Marmotte . Fresh, crisp and uplifting 👌🤩
Great video Phillip🔝A nice way to meet people 👌 maybe not the best preparation for the Marmotte 🤣Best regards Martin
Thanks Martin 🙏 - this is definitely one of my favourite days in the saddle, and likely the most beautiful climb I’ve ever done 💯🤩. Not the best prep … but worth it 😁👌
You have no idea how much I look forward to these videos!
Wow! Thanks ever so much Matt - you’ve made our evening 💯 It’s an absolute pleasure to film and edit these, and your support is super motivating 🙏
Agreed with Matt here. Love how much detail and insight you give us into your whole cycling journey!
@@JanekDetko thats hugely appreciated Janek 🙏 - so so kind of you - makes a huge difference to us 💯
Epic climb in the beautiful Alps. we see the pros fly up these climbs surrounded by throngs of fans but it's great to see fellow amateur cyclists give a more moderated perspective on the climb for us wanna be pros. Lol. La Marmotte has been high on my list of Fondos to complete before my body quits.....
Hi James - and thanks ever so much for your lovely message. For sure Galibier from La Grave was my favourite climb - likely ever. Absolutely sensational a and definitely if you do La Marmotte go out a few days early or stay later in order to savour it 👌🤩.
The Lord of the Chain Ring's... scenery was truly spectacular! Brilliant film and chapeau to Jane on the climbs!
👌 Genius Greg - I think Ruben is the Lord of the Chain Rings, and I’m more like Gollum 🤣 It was my favourite climb of the week 🤩 - and Jayne says cheers ! 🙏
A place of deep and profound magic. A good place to remember and celebrate friends and family who have shuffled off this mortal coil. Summer 2022 again, without fail.
That’s beautifully summed up Galibier, Paul 💯👌 - it’s is indeed an uplifting and magical part of the world, and takes you away from the hustle and bustle of life to consider what’s most important 👍
Great stuff!
Nothing like a silky smooth surface on a hard climb, makes a world of difference.
I gotta say, you're kinda my hero, dedicated, driven, articulate and one helluva climber!
Cheer Wes - that’s extremely generous of you 🙏 And with consistent training and good nutrition and recovery I’m sure you’ll soon be gliding up the climbs. I’m hoping to get back to the real world climbs as the injuries heal - I very much miss them 💯
Never seen a place as beautiful, wow fantastic video.
Agreed Matt 💯 Galibier from La Grace and Stelvio from Bormio are 2 of the 3 most beautiful long climbs I’ve ever completed - and as you’ll see in a video soon to come, Passo Giau is of the same calibre also🤩.
Ohh my God, Phil, absolutely excellent video.Thank you mate. By the way, thank you so much my sister Jane for all your camera support. And congratulations cycling team. Again the roads and scenery are excellent mate. See you in new videos Phil. With hello. Bye. Phil, you are numberone dear mate.
Thanks ever so much Atakan 🙏 - we loved this day out. Amazing to share it with friends - and for sure this was my favourite climb of the week. Absolutely must if ever you get the chance. See you in the next video - and have a great week 👍
That Wilier of yours is just stunning. Superb video with a great group of people.
A really lovely group of Dutchies - we massively enjoyed our stay with them 💯 And thats super kind of you to say so Peat 🙏 - my pride an joy 💙
wow mate, thanks for sharing your experience, a poet, philosopher and cyclist all rolled into one, its amazing what opens up with the world of health and fitness when combined with cycling. tell you what ... you see those single tracks off to the left and right at the top, well I'd be taking you down those as well - on a gravel bike of course, ripper. Great to see e-Jane :-) be part of the journey. no good doing this stuff on your own. brilliant!
Our pleasure for sharing this flow cycling 💯 - and thanks ever so much for reaching out with such a wonderful and supportive comment 🙏💪 . I have indeed found cycling incredible for leaving the stresses of the world behind for a few hours, and also actually enjoying the countryside (I’m not really into hiking … ). But to your point the issue is on holiday or weekends, it’s quite a chunk of time so the e-bike for Jayne can be a game changer 👌. I’m guessing the gravel riding in the Alps is on another level - a bit like the Lake District, and when my skills improve, it’s something I may well give a go.. Cheers 👍
Immediately brings back the memories... I really can't wait to get back there. Col de Galibier is very much on the list.
However, I can also recommend Col d'Izoard (very pretty, especially the south side), and Col de l'Iseran (also from the south side). So far only rode them by car, but my god the landscape is to die for.
And Ruben making that climb look so easy, while it really isn't. That's proper hard work. And kudo's to everyone who makes it to the top...
Very happy memories, Marco 💯 👌 - and for sure you should climb it next year - it won’t disappoint ! I’ll check out Col d’Izoard also - you are a connoisseur of such things - so it must be spectacular 🤩. Ruben is definately on another level 💯
Stunning footage Phil, looks like you enjoyed good weather and great company. I was fortunate enough to climb the Galibier in 1987 on the day that the Tour de France came over. I had panniers on a steel touring bike and a 28 sprocket on a compact 6 block…..great memories. Enjoy your stay out there, it’s a very special place.
Thanks ever so much Andrew 🙏 - Jayne and I were made to feel ever so welcome by Ruben and all his friends, plus we were super lucky to have such an amazing day - on what turned out to be my favourite climb of the week 🤩 You did amazingly well to climb that on a steel bike laden with luggage and a 28!!! 🤯 But what a prize at the top - seeing the Tour come through - must have been sensational 👌
Absolutely stunning and I’m not ashamed to say I’m jealous 👊🏾
Cheers Paul - it’s without a doubt my favourite climb of the week 🤩. Hope you and the family had a good weekend! Am just traveling back from a ride in Wales.. a broken man 😅
@@BikeRacingWithoutMercy I’m certain you’ll recover swiftly after a danish or two 👍🏾. The family are doing fine, thanks very much for asking. Unfortunately my weekend isn’t over yet as sadly I’m in the middle of a 24 hour on call shift.
Your love of pushing your own limits whilst exploring the most beautiful roads you can find is absolutely contagious Phill. That's why I ride my bike too, it doesn't get any more rewarding than pushing my own physical limits whilst taking in the best bits of the earth! Hope our ride in Wales can even be 10% as stunning as this looked!
Agreed, Nick 💯 - for me I love the combination of enjoying the day out and the scenery, and putting in a couple of efforts on some climbs - Davide showed me the joy of this in Italy last year 👌. And for sure - looking forward to it, and praying to the weather gods 🤞😁
Brill 👏
Cheers Gazza ! 🙏 Highly recommend this climb 💯🤩
A beauty of a location
Agreed, Kev - absolutely sublime 🤩 - and we were blessed with the perfect weather 👌
Breathtaking.
Agreed Dennis - blew my mind away 🤩 - sublime 👌
Another fantastic video Philip, making me smile on a cold wet Sunday night in the UK. 👏🏻🙏🏻
Thats super kind of you Adam 🙏 - this was most definitely my favourite climb of the week, a must do if you haven’t already 💯 . It’s been lashing down in London also …. But looks a bit better next week 🤞
What a beautiful climb thanks for sharing
My pleasure Iron Distance 💯 - and for sure this is my favourite side of Galibier, epic views from start to end - truly uplifting 🤩
What a beautiful place to ride a bike with friends. I love this part of France. Great video Phill. 💪💪💪🚴🚴🚴
I couldn’t agree more Radoslaw 💯 - I adored my time in the Alps, and this was the best climb of the week, a very happy memory 🤩 Hope you are keeping well 👍
Jayne travelling in style! Also CZcamsr life summed up @10:30 - motorcyclists off to the right wondering why you are talking to a rear wheel.
Jayne gliding up her second Col of the week like a BOSS 😁 - yep, you almost become oblivious to how ridiculous it must seem to folk 🤣
Excellent video and ride. Sometimes its not the physical effort that is your nemesis with these big climbs but the mental effort. You smashed both. 🚲
Thanks ever s much Richard - thats massively appreciated 🙏 And agreed - as you’ll see I discovered this for La Marmotte - I really didn’t want to climb the final ascent of Alpe d’Huez - but the mind took over and demanded it ! 😅
Wow Phill that's stunning, another amazing video, I know where i'm heading next year! 😃
Many thanks!
Our pleasure Lee ! And for sure if you are going to tour Europe - this was most definitely my personal favourite climb from the week in the Alps. Stunning is the word 💯
Stunning views and video 👏👏👍
Cheers Stephen 🙏 - it was my favourite climb of the week by some distance 🤩 Highly recommended 💯
Incredible ride and Absolutely stunning climbs… 100% on the list of places to ride!
It’s an absolute must Giorgio - you’d adore it out there 🤩💯👌
Stunning video Phil. Thank you for sharing.
Thanks Russell 🙏 - it’s our pleasure 👍. A sublime day out 🤩
I really appreciate the time and effort you put into these videos. Thank you!
It’s our pleasure, Simon - we love meeting friends, filming and then the edit - and so pleased that you’re enjoying your them🙏 . It’s very motivating for us 💯
great video thanks
Thanks ever so much Claude 🙏 - our pleasure 💯
Simply amazing 👏
Cheers Andy 🙏 - it’s truly epic and was certainly my favourite climb from the week 🤩
@@BikeRacingWithoutMercy I’m on a similar journey to your friend Marco, so perhaps I’ll make the trip in 22.
breathtaking views, you have my envy!
Thanks ever so much Mol 🙏 - it is indeed a sublime climb 🤩. Best one of the week 👌
This is why we put all the hard work in to enjoy breathtaking climbs and stunning views another cracking production nice one Phill & Jayne 👍
It sure is Nick 💯🤩 - and this has been my big discovery over the last 18 months since Exmoor last year . My own journey started as one about fitness and racing, but has become more more focused on little adventures and exploring the countryside👌
That looked absolutely amazing great video
Cheers Gavin 🙏 - was definitely my favourite climb that week in the Alps . I definitely preferred Galibier from La Grave as per this video - an absolute must 🤩
I climbed it from the other side and the beauty of the place (may of been altitude) brought an actual tear to my eye.
Agreed, JK, - the beauty took my breath away also, a feel good part of the world, no doubt 💯 I climbed it from the other side during La Marmotte - as you’ll see next weekend. Very beautiful too 🤩
Another Epic video phil.. Stunning, you just keep adding too my bucket list... The ebike was a brilliant idea so Jane could experience it aswell! Keep them coming Phil really enjoyable👍
Thanks ever so much Kenneth - that’s massively appreciated. And this remains my favourite climb in the French Alpes (thus far). We do love the ebike - and you’ll see in tonight’s video, Jayne used it to enable us to explore the sublime Mount Teide in Tenerife together 🤩
Did this climb the day before the tour went over in 2019 and then watched it the following day. Stunning climb.
Wow, m bee !! 💪 Must have been an incredible couple of days. To see the tour power up those mountain passes would be absolutely epic . Agreed, stunning 🤩
Well done everyone 👏🏻 and well done to those men that laid those roads up those Mountains ⛰👏🏻
Cheers FTW - was an incredible day 🤩 - and I couldn’t agree more, the roads and engineering are on another level. Incredible quality, and somehow accretive to the scenery 👌
@@BikeRacingWithoutMercy And Jane, you did great, smile big...plus you got to be with you husband, and got to experience that beautiful scenery 👍🏻👌🏻👍🏻
WOW Phil, that was stunning, i need to get this trip booked
Cheers Paul - it was a wonderful day, we were super lucky 🤩 - and for sure it’s a must visit part of the world - and this was my favourite climb of the week 💯
Beautiful video work Phil 👍 Had the pleasure of Alpe d Huez with my wife in 2019 after a few weeks in the Pyrenees and the stunning Vercors region. My favourite of all was the descent to Arreau from the Aspin….had to pinch myself that it was real. I do hope you do a whole series on the many mountain’s in France and Spain….not to mention Italy. Should keep you busy for a few decades!
Hope to one day return, both of us that is, and ride some of the ones we missed.
Thanks ever so much Matt 🙏 - it’s an absolute pleasure to film and edit these little adventures 💯. I was due to visit the Pyrenees for the Haute Route Ventoux last weekend, but had to postpone due to work and family pressures. I’ll look out for that when I’m out there . And for sure, the intent is to continue to explore into 2022 👌
Beautiful footage 😁
Thanks ever so much Mike 🙏 - the weather enabled us to justice to the vistas 🤩 - the perfect climb 👌
Amazing day on the bike it was! Good times!
It sure was the perfect day Thomas 🤩 - was incredible to spend it with you 👌. The bonus climb was a toughie 😅 - and I remember the relief when you tracked down the water in the village 💯
I remember seeing the top of the Galibier when skiing at Les Deux Alpes. Scarely believable how high the col is !
It’s an absolute beast isn’t it, Andrew! Intimidating but sublimely beautiful all at the same time🤩. The nice thing about the route from La Grave, is that it gradually keeps revealing a little bit more then a little bit more as you progress up 👌
Beautiful scenery Phil what a brilliant film loved it.. well done on the climbs.. roads look amazing and the views are simply jaw dropping.. excellent filming and narrating to 🚴👍😀🤟
Thanks ever so much Pete - we hugely appreciate your super kind support and encouragement🙏. It was my favourite climb from the week, absolutely spectacular 🤩 - and the quality and beauty of the French engineering for the roads was also on another level 👌
The lady on the mountain bike is cycling like an angel!
edit - until I saw the motor
The lady on the bike is indeed an Angel for putting up with me, Suds 😅 - but her climbing would not be so angelic if it weren’t for the electric motor 🤣
Great video! I have been watching your videos as I prepare to climb Haleakala on the island of Maui, Hawaii. Your videos have been very helpful since I live at sea level in Tallahassee, Florida USA.
Thanks ever so much Don - I hugely appreciate your support and reaching out 🙏💯. And wow! 🤯 Climbing a volcano - and 55km +3000m in one climb is sensational!!! 🤩. I didn’t even realise such a climb existed!! I definitely found the altitude an issue - because London is at sea level. The more time a person spends at altitude over the years the faster they adapt - and all people are impacted in a different way. But to give you a feel for the exact impact on my power - immediately after returning from La Marmotte I did an hour of power outdoors in London using the same power meter. 1 hour 277W - vs 251W on Alpe d’Huez . I could have potentially gone a little harder on the Alpe - so reckon the altitude cost me about 20W 👍. I’ve got a little video to come on this
Looks awesome! I've not done any European cycling. Wanted to visit Swiss alps first as I rode a motorbike in that area and loved it. Now I've seen this I might visit France first!
It’s a must visit part of the world for a cyclist Peter💯 - and this was my favourite climb of the week - sublime 🤩 I too would love to cycle in the Swiss Alps - they look incredible too 👌
I’ve skied a few times in the alps and the rockies, I was completely fine at Alpe d’huez and la plagne (2200) but holy moly I was bad at Breckenridge at 3000m, I went back there and took anti altitude medicine which helped a bit. It felt like I had a weird kind of flu… no way could I have ridden my bike!
At 3000m it doesn’t surprise me that you struggled - but symptoms like flu !!! Wow! I felt pretty similar all the way up Galibier - no loss or power from bottom to top - but definately lower power than I’d have had at sea level from bottom to top 😅
Fantastic scenery Phil on what looked like a stunning day in the mountains. Ironically I watched this in Scotland (we're on a weekend break) having just driven through some amazing scenery in the northern mountains. Though it was lashing it down and blowing a hooligan here. Definitely not riding weather.
Happy holidays, Tony !! Scotland can be incredible in the early Autumn - beautiful (when not lashing down….). Galibier from this direction was definitely my favourite climb of the week - and what a day 🤩. Enjoy your break 👍
Phil - that is a cracking climb up Lauteret onto Galibier. I crawled my way up it in 2020 all the way from Bourg D'Osains. The effects of altitude were quite apparent to me aswell.....Lol.
Cheers, Greg 🙏 - and agreed the section from Lautaret to Col du Galibier is unrelenting epic 🤩 And to climb all the way from Bourg D’Osains adds a lot of climbing into the equation !!! I filmed a little video to demonstrate the impact of altitude on my own athletic performance shortly after arriving back home - it was surprising to me 💯
What an amazing experience. Thanx from bring it to us at this level getting to see some things on the way. Seems like not many things grow up at that hight and mostly likely due to the air availability. Also Thanx to Jane for pacing us up all the way - wonder how many what's she was pushing out on average ...
It was an incredible experience, Zaahier - and this was my favourite climb of the week🤩💯 And thanks ever so much - we loved filming and editing this one 👌 I think there is packed snow towards the top as late as May / June - hence not much grows . Jayne is the perfect motor pacer 😅 - and congratulations again to you for your mammoth ride this weekend 💪✊
@@BikeRacingWithoutMercy Thanx so much Phill. I had some big jumps in hours over the last 2 months from those regular 1hrs sessions I got use to since I got back on the bike in February. I think I need a few days of rest and talk about a mammoth ride once can clearly say that the amount of meters of climbing you are packing out is unbelievable. Climbing and keeping the cadence relatively high is a challenge.
Was wondering what your thoughts was on the watts and zones and applying them to these massive real life climbs. Doing those 1 or 2hr indoors sessions in those zones compared to the real life climbs could be rather different ... Anyways ... Cheers and looking forwards as usual
Absolutely stunning views. Love seeing the difference an electric bike makes. Did we hear a reply of "Aw'right there" to your "Bonjour" 08:00 bet that wasn't expected :) Finally, your piece towards the end regarding the benefits of being out on a bike, exploring and absorbing, is what I've really missed over the last 18 months - looking forward to 2022 and already planning rediscovering those adventures.
Thanks ever so much for your lovely comment Jonathan 🙏 - and for sure the electric bike makes cycling and exploring so much more accessible. Yes - it was indeed an Aw’right 🤣. The element of being able to enjoy so much more of the countryside has been one of the most amazing discoveries of cycling (as someone who doesn’t enjoy hiking) - enjoy the process of formulating your adventures for 2022 💯
I thought Jayne was making fun of you doing it on a Mtb till I saw the motor 😉🤣
🤣 PKB !! Yep - that thing weighs as much as a fire engine - but climbs like an Angel 💯💪
@@BikeRacingWithoutMercy I really hope you're talking about the bike..?
@@PK_Blinder 🤣😁🤣 - yes - the Wilier !!!
Absolutely gorgeous views, and it seems like the weather was absolutely perfect for this group escapade as well. :)
Did the group feel much of a difference once you got over 2000m elevation on these climbs? Apparently that's roughly the point where you'd start noticing the air get thinner.
Agreed - a sublime climb on a perfect day, Lord 🤩! The issue we faced was living at 2000m raises the HR and worsens the sleep initially - so a few of us suffered with higher HR for a given power. I noticed the difference all week - and filmed a little comparison to illustrate the impact when back in London . More to come 👍
Hello Phil. I’ve just discovered your channel, and I must say it’s a delight to meet you! I appreciate your positive energy and smiles, leave me feeling inspired, and so, thanks for sharing. I started cycling 3 years ago and love it but haven’t got into it to the level you seem to have - well done you!
PS my wife’s Dutch and I wouldn’t want you pronouncing your new favourite topping slightly incorrectly- the “stroop” in appelstroop is pronounced like the English word hope. So, “str” “ope”. I think the Dutchies in your chalet were being too polite!
Thanks ever so much SPSggl 🙏 - and I massively appreciate you reaching out ! Ruben and the other Dutchies were super lovely to Jayne and I - so thanks for providing the correct pronunciation🙏. Strope it will be - I do love that stuff - nitroglycerin for the cyclist 💪🤣. We must have started around the same time - and I’m so glad I found the sport. I found a polarised approach to training plus a Zwift race per week over the winter great to build the fitness 💯
Great video Phil. It takes me back to my time living near to Briancon. Good call on the pacing stratergy for the marmotte. The telegraph followed by the galibier soon become far from two separate climbs did you find? The rest inbetween just being a blur. And Alpe d'huez at the end is never anything like riding as a single ascent! Looking forward to your marmotte video.
Thanks ever so much Simon 🙏 - you were lucky to live there 🤩 Yep - I was glad I reduced my target power, because everything you say I too found. It’s a long old climb up the Telegraph and Galibier - very little respite …. and the Alpe at the end was a slog !!! Marmotte video is in edit - and will be released next Sunday 🤞
Thank you for a brilliant video on what seems to be the lesser documented side of the Galibier, sometimes you just stumble upon hidden gems on CZcams, you have a new subscriber! I am heading to Bourg d'Oisans from Scotland in a few weeks and plan to take try out both these cols at some point. What is your verdict on cycling through the tunnels on the road from the dam up to Col du Lautaret? I have heard mixed reviews, but your video makes them look very manageable and sensible as long as you keep your wits about you... is this the case?
Thanks ever so much Sam - that’s really lovely of you 🙏. For sure having ridden Galibier from the Telegraph for La Marmotte and also here from La Grave - I much preferred La Grave. It’s a feel good climb and visually more spectacular - loved it . The tunnels are fine - if you have a rear light and take off your sun glasses (or have lenses that cope ok in the dark). I take them carefully on the descent . Have an incredible time - and stay safe 👍
a little more picturesque than scunthorpe.
🤣 FoundFoundFound - agreed, not a bad little part of the globe 🤩 - a must visit chunk of geology 💯
@@BikeRacingWithoutMercy a long way from the ‘excitements’ of east cheam.
beautiful video what you used? only gopro? thanks
Hi afreakinmeo - yes x2 GoPros - front and rear of Jayne’s bike 👍
I've said this before, those views are outstanding!! I HAVE to do this. Did your wife hire the electric bike or take it with her??
Hi. We hired the e-bike from Cycle Huez. Made for a very easy climb 😊
@@jaynes6813 Thanks! I'm hoping to get my wife interested in climbing with me, for those epic views!! The electric bike will help her.
Good to chat on Instagram Dominique - as noted we hired from Cycle Huez, at the top of Alpe d’Huez 👌. Wonderful family owned company. Ask for Ollie 👍
at the very start of the video, which cafe/bistrot are you having breakfast at ? is it in La Grave ?
Feels like your speed at those gradients don't go along with the watts unless you are rather light, is this so?
Hi Messi - I weighed about 62kg that week - and given the gradients were generally not that steep on Galibier 12-16km/h is about right for the power for me. 👍
@@BikeRacingWithoutMercy Thanks! And well yes, 62 is light in my eyes, as it is lighter than me ;)
10:30 talking to Jayne's behind, at 200 watts & 16 km/h 🤣
Fantastic draft from her, so funny to see people sucking her wheel 😃 Last weekend my GF and I took part in an event on our eBikes (I think there were over 1000 cyclists, she made a little video collecting our images - czcams.com/video/ggPgqn8jbyo/video.html ) and it's so funny to see the reactions, there were snobs but there were mostly open-minded people 😎 the col was closed to circulation from both sides for the day, amazing.
Can’t beat a little motor pacing, Pierre-Alain 😁 - and for sure e-bikes are the future. They make cycling accessible for all and allow friends and facilities to enjoy the climbs and vistas together 💯. I loved the video Angela and yourself made 👌 Col du Klausen is beautiful - cobbles switchbacks and sensational views back down the mountain 🤩 . Definitely looking forward to seeing more 👍
oh, that girl on a mountain bike, she's very relaxed ... i bet she's got a heart rate much lower than anyone of you guys .. lol !!
Jayne sure was sailing along nonchalantly - and I doubt her HR got much over 100bpm ! 😁
@@BikeRacingWithoutMercy was that an e-bike that she was riding on?
Sarenne > Alpe d'Huez.
Agreed Juraj 💯- in my opinion a prettier climb also 🤩
How patronising are you to women?
Not intended - and I’m not sure how
i don't know what you watched @Drew but i didn't see any patronisation, just friends riding up a legendary climb together, and encouragement.
@@pawsan69 cheers Paul 🙏