I wrote a typical PAC-PREZ novel earlier today, but must have forgotten to click the "Comment" button when I was done. Probably had five people in the office asking me questions at the same time. Ug. Nonetheless, will take another shot at it. Definitely happy to see this head to head show up for lots of reasons. But mostly because the "lockpicking folks" at the DLA worked hard to prove my products were not-compliant with the picking requirements. This was back in '10 or so. That's a long story. The short story is that when I pointed out that the Master government locks lacked any sort of security features, it would fall on deaf ears. I've even filed Inspector General level complaints showing how their products did not meet the required standards. Got shut down every time with answers that I'd consider to be insufficient. "You don't get fired for buying IBM" I feel was the attitude that the DLA was giving me back then... needless to say replace IBM with MLC. What many don't know was that I stole away from Master 90% of all of the military's "low security padlock" business back in '09. I did it by partnering with Lockheed Martin on a very large contract that won with the DLA. They won like a million different SKUs of which 7 were for padlocks. But the thing was, those 7 NSN (National Stock Numbers) were "the big ones." One day Master had the business, the next day they didn't! And they had no idea how it happened! It was brilliant. And so started the campaign by some company that I won't mention to discredit our products. I had to fight like you wouldn't believe over the course of two years. But we won, and we kept that contract through 2018. That contract did a lot for us, and for American manufacturing. What LPL didn't share because he likely didn't know was that PACLOCK's military padlocks are US-Made products (with global components) whereas Master's are Mexican made. That contract put 20 Americans to work for ten years just at PACLOCK... and 3 of those workers were people with disabilities. We had subs here in the States who also hired people to produce components for us. It was good for American manufacturing. Just as importantly, we just didn't miss for our war fighters whether it was on-time delivery or quality. During those ten years, we produced close to 5 million padlocks for the military. Never once did we get a padlock returned for quality. Ever. Well, okay, maybe that's not true. We did get padlocks returned for quality, but they weren't PACLOCKs. You can guess which manufacturer's padlocks we'd get back as defective. On top of that, we'd get calls at least once a month from service members who were upset about their padlocks. In typical PACLOCK fashion we'd assume responsibility and work with the customer to figure things out... but when the time was right, my sales team would ask the all important question: "Mind telling me what name is stamped on the padlock?" Every single time the answer would be "Master Lock." Even still, we'd help them out. In terms of delivery, about year 2 of the contract we convinced Lockheed and the DLA to move us to a "DVD" or "Direct to Vendor Delivery" option. In essence this means that the DLA itself will not stock anything. Typically they buy in bulk from vendors, put it in the DLA's warehouses, and then the DLA ships orders to the war fighters out of that stock. With DVD the vendor directly ships to the warfighter. I had my IT system directly tied into the DLA's ordering system and whenever Private Snuffy orders a padlock, we'd see that order in real time and ship it out in less than 2 days. And Lockheed picked up the shipping costs to where we shipped everything with an overnight or 2-Day shipping service. So war fighters got their padlocks FAST! In 8 years of doing DVD, we shipped something like 150,000 unique orders and maintained a 99.998% on time rating! Keep in mind, we had less than 2 days to ship any orders received that day! And still we hit crazy good on-time numbers! So US made product from a small, woman owned business that hires disabled workers producing a kick butt product with killer deliveries! Why would you ever let that end? Lockheed asked that very question of the DLA. And, in '08, in coordination with the DLA, the Ability One Program stole all of these big movers. I say "stole" because one an NSN (product) is moved to the "Procurement List" like these were, companies like PACLOCK can never compete for that business again. Raw deal. Two quotes from the Ability One Program will never leave me. First, the Ability One Program's manifesto prohibits it from taking business away from small businesses. So how could this have happened? Well, the executive at Ability One said "well Lockheed Martin is the prime contractor and it is their vendor code being used on these products, so technically they are the producer... and they are a large business." So that's how they go around that hurdle. I fought hard. Really hard. In the end, the Ability One executive told me on the phone that, "if we don't take business from small businesses, then we won't have business for our companies." Yeah, that sucks. Their customers are non-profits that put people with disabilities to work. I'm 100% good with that. Actually, I already had people with disabilities working on these products. Ug, bag deal all around. Anyhow, here's your fun facts. First, the "DG" on Master's locks are actually one of their former employee's initials. I won't put his name here, but he was their government sales manager and it was he who convinced the government that a laminated padlock was just as good as a solid body. This happened about 2001. In so doing, Master won every single government contract for padlocks for the next few years because they were bidding a laminated padlock against American's solid body. Not even close. In so doing, they honored their employee by putting his initials on the padlocks. There's your "DG." And if you're pissed that the military gets laminated locks now, like many, many were back in '09/'10 when we took over the bulk production, then don't blame anyone but Master. When I was in the Army we had the American solid bodies and loved them as much as you would a padlock. I am grateful to Jesse for sending these to LPL ~ in fact, I owe you a nice steak dinner simply to say "thanks" for taking the time to inspire LPL to put this together. I had screaming matches with the DLA in '10 saying "my locks are way better than Master's, and yet you want to say that my locks don't comply but theirs do?!!!" Fortunately my relationship with the DLA is much much better now. But part of that is that Master has reportedly gotten rid of all of their government sales types and seem to be getting out of that business to a large degree. Happy to correct this statement if it is wrong, but everything we've seen these past few years supports that assertion. Go PACLOCK, Beat Master!!!!
The difference in quality between the two locks was also noticable by the troops. We could open the master locks with our "master" key fair easily. Untrained people could jiggle open a master lock. The paclocks were a different beast. If we lost a key, we would go straight for the bolt cutters. Never bothered with anything else.
@@ztopz7508 hmmm...actually.... we should send all the masterlocks being picked by lockpickers into masterlock office and then ask for a refund after sending this video lol
well they did. they were hard to brute force and how many burglaries do you know of where they actually picked the lock instead of just smashing a window/cutting it off?
Security isn't, and never has been, an absolute. It's a scale from "mild inconvenience" to "gruelling hard work for several hours/days". A soda can is mosquito secured, but Mt Cheyenne military base isn't asteroid secured. The true nature of Master Lock's crime is convincing people that locks only need to be brute force resistant. I have a Master No 3 that doesn't even need a turning tool to rake open. Just applying a bit of torque on the rake is enough. I could literally not lift a rail way hammer above my head and knock it off the hasp faster than I can open it with a rake.
@@andersjjensen in part because shooting a lock with a magnum on TV looked impressive. And not going to lie, I believed they were very secure until the algorithm sent me here for some reason awhile ago. Not being in the business of managing security it just did not cross my mind to deeply research padlocks. now I am Post-LPL channel and I would not use a master lock to lock up a garbage can because odds are the racoons can probably pick it.
LPL: "These locks differ significantly in pick resistance" Me: "Let me guess, you can open the MasterLock with a limp noodle?" LPL: "I was unable to feel any security pins in the MasterLock" Me: "I KNEW IT!"
The military doesn't care too much about pick resistance, when we have trouble opening these we resort to the "master key," the one with long red handles and a jaw. 😄
As a reminder: "military grade" often means as cheap as possible and isn't a recommendation (probably the opposite). I'm positively surprised by the Pac Lock.
I recall medical grade is the throw away, military should have a little more weight to some thing for being "hopefully" long term. Take a gun. Or a combat knife. Military grade I would hope implies it can survive rain haha. Not saying its exclusive. But resonable assumption.
That's how I learned to pick. Someone always had the bolt cutter and the 1stSgt started counseling us because supply kept losing the logbooks. It made perfect sense.
@@mercronniel3122 Girl: Hey someone broke into my locker! LPL: Takes one look at the Masterlock from 5 feet away and it crumbles to pieces. Here is a superior Abloy to keep your panties safe! Girl: Melts in his arms. That’s how Ms. LPL and LPL came to be. The end.
The masterlock's have been unauthorized for a while now and no longer meet GSA standards. We trashed a bunch of the older masterlock's years ago, though I'm sure some of those may still linger in a HMMWV or cage somewhere awaiting another Cyclic Inventory...
I remember when we used them and the old brass locks all the time, they were so easy to get around specially the brass locks course this was back in the 1975-1985 time frame .
This does not sound like the government I'm used too.... are you sure they didn't "can" the pac lock and order 10,000,000 master locks that don't work? LOL
I requested that my wife buy me some tools from Covert Instruments for my birthday, and I was suprised/dismayed that on my first attempt I was able to rake open my own master lock just as fast as LPL did it here (OK, it took me a bit longer to figure out the tension). It really is a low-skill attack.
My interest in locks began when one of my kids lost the keys to my wife's bike. I created a primitive pick out of wire and guessed it would take a while to open what seemed to be a big and powerfull wire lock. I was astonished at the low quality, when it took less than 3 seconds for me, an absolute beginner, to open it. Not by raking even. Didn't know I could do that.
Yes, that's why you NEVER BUY MASTERLOCK EVER. They always find the excuse that they're meant to be low-security, but PACLOCK sells locks that are just as cheap, but 10x effective.
IT is weird indeed. Everywhere I comment, people tell me how much they love me and my content. Sometimes IT is annoying. But right now, IT would be okay. So say something nice about my content, dear jr
@@erseshe Report the luser for spamming instead of playing his game. Hopefully enough of us yelling at them will inspire CZcams to finally take out the trash.
When I first discovered your channel I was in the Air Force and got my hands on a couple of the Pac Locks to try and pick. I’m glad to see their at least a little hard to pick since I couldn’t get them open in any reasonable time.
I'm not the best picker in the world but, I own Master locks that I've never been able to pick open. Well chosen bitting has always been more of a problem for me than security pins.
I was actually glad to see you try and rake open a rake resistant lock, just for having seen it fail to work. It really does help with getting the idea that it's not how you unlock it.
You have to bear in mind the nature of what's being secured and potentially having to get at it without the keys in an emergency. I suspect this is why the shackle is so slim. It's strong enough to keep out someone simply curious, but weak enough that if what's secured is needed for official purposes even if the keyholder cannot be found, then breaking the lock isn't too much of a challenge. The problem with the Master is that if anyone with a wave rake can open it, then someone can let themselves in without a key, do whatever it is they're going to do (steal would be my guess), and then close-up and leave without leaving evidence (ie a cut-off lock) that they were ever there. Someone doing security rounds seeing a bunch of intact locks won't see evidence of a crime and thus won't know to report that crime. Most people are not experts to LPL's level when it comes to picking. Most people would not defeat the lock in under a minute nondestructively. This means that without keys, gaining access is probably going to be done destructively. Someone doing security rounds who's actually paying attention should notice a missing or broken lock. I'm going to guess that these locks are used for things like infantry materiel that they don't use often, things that are expensive enough to want to avoid having them walk away, but not so expensive that they justify more expensive locking methods. It could be that if there's an emergency they'll need the materiel, so someone will break the lock if they can't simply open it, so it needs to be easy enough to break that it doesn't prevent access in that emergency.
The funny thing is back when I still went to the gym (covid killed the business) I would use a master lock on my locker. I lost the key over a decade ago, but would just jimmy it open with another unrelated key on my key ring.
Awesome! So as many know there are no "keys" for military vehicles as they don't have a standard key type ignition. These type locks are used to either lock the outside of the vehicle or lock the steering wheel in place. Very often these keys get lost and locks are cut. When I was stationed in Germany I would collect the cut locks in order to pick them and keep the pins. After I had a substantial collection I started making a matched set of good locks for a key I already had. It was mainly a hobby of learning but I still have a few of those locks around here somewhere. lol
my expirences with lokcs in the military. Most of the time we just use bolt cutters because the key would either end up being lost or we have to replace the locks because we needs to get rid of the giant ring of unknown keys. being key control was fun
I have a few of the $10 ebay ones, and none of them have security pins. They were my first training locks, but it was just heavy tension and force the pin to the sheer line.
LockPickingLawyer, You've started your channel in June 23, 2015. Your videos made 792,231,622 views. You've made 1373 videos of your Lock Picking Videos. Your first one was in June 24, 2015. Your first upload was called Ten American Lock Series 1100 Padlocks Picked in a Row. That was 6 years ago. You've managed to make 1373 videos, once a week, for 6 years. Don't work way too hard on yourself. Your work is incredible. You may think I'm just another one out of 1579 commenters, and you are correct. I just wanted to say... You done a great job. Don't give up, but take a break every once in a while. Not too long though. Thank you for your time. Congrats. Signed, MEBUS Interactive (Soon to be Creator.)
@@johndododoe1411 God I hope it's not a 1600 Series American Lock. We use to use those on everything from tool boxes to cages to HMMWVs steering wheel locks. I got good at getting those open without keys.
I'm pretty sure the only reason that Master still sells locks with crappy tolerances is because new pickers use them as practice locks. At least they are good for something, I have my 10lb bag of them :)
With how often it's talked about that for most locks, pick resistance is slightly less important than Destruction resistance, you'd think the military would be equal on both if not more priority on pick resistance due to the threat of Covert infiltration, and to that the Masterlock is Just plain embarrassing. If the military is going to have the ridiculous levels of hardware it has, I'd at least want to know that someone with a Rake couldn't sneak and steal something. The Paclock on the other hand I'm satisfied with. 1 minute in a controlled environment by someone with LPL's skills translates to Too much time to try and covertly pick out in public, and a Destructive attack Risks being loud enough to attract attention, and all but guarantee's someone finds out what you've done way faster.
These locks are for almost only used for locking things like shipping containers, personnel lockers and vehicles. Most of the time which only contain non sensitive equipment. Its to keep units from stealing from other units that need to replace there own stolen items. The military is just always trying to steal back there stolen items. Really sensitive things have much more complex security then just a lock. An arms room physical security inspection will have well over 100 points of inspection.
LPL, been watching your channel finding it fascinating but thought I’d never use the info,, then lo and behold I lost the key to my circuit beaker door. You are awesome sir. Thank you
Amazed by how large the difference in security is between the two, even a seasoned lock picker like yourself spent a fair amount of time on that pac lock in the single pin technique (in comparison to 80% of your previous picks on the channel 😁) Thoroughly enjoyed this one🤙🏼
FINALLY, I just picked my first lock. I got locked out of my home a while ago and decided to not only never go out without my keys again but to learn how to pick a lock as a backup if I did do that again. I had an annoying padlock that I lost the key for and used it as a training tool. I must have tried dozens of times with the lock picking sets and got nowhere until today. It was like "Feel the force Luke" and just looked away and felt the pins springing up and down and using more pressure than usual on the leverage bar and click it opened. Nice feeling thank you LPL
I have a MasterLock SFIC with a paracentric keyway, good bitting and security pins that I swap between my BEST and American padlocks. It confuses the hell out of people when none of their bump keys fit.
Back in 2016ish, long before I had any interest in lock picking, my squad ordered 100 locks all keyed the same. We received the Master Locks with 5 keys and a letter explaining the potential security risks associated with having everything controlled by one key. The irony is that we quickly learned that the locks could be opened with almost any Master Lock key if used it like a rake or hit the lock with a hammer while turning the key. It was genuinely faster to break into our own vehicles than it was to go sign out a key.
Here two weeks later, there have been no videos from LPL since this one. I hope he and those in his life are well! I'm not here begging for more content, there is plenty to rewatch.
Figured I'd let you know I just bought 3 separate master lock magnum locks from depot. Apparently a level 8 security. While unpacking I quickly noticed that all locks came with 2 keys, which were all exactly the same in each of the packages. So, if you have that key, anytime you see that lock you can open it. Unbelievable.
Hey LPL just received my covert companion plus expansion pack today. Assembled in a few minutes. Very nice little tool lots of options in a small package. I don’t think it’s gonna replace my Peterson tools anytime soon but it’s a nice back up with a small foot print. You did well sir much appreciated.
Sixteen days since last LPL video. Where is LPL? Could it be LPL has been removed from CZcams for teaching how to pick open keyed padlocks and lots more!
The Pacific Lock looks like it has a gold zinc finish. Slightly more resilient than normal zinc, and may also be there because it's a harder grade of steel.
When it came to munitions storage we had dual Medicos on the blast doors which where very difficult to open even with the keys, never mind the 30 second limited alarm box. Difficult weather for sure.
At my apartment, we had a problem with a dumpster diver who repeatedly left a huge mess behind. As such, my landlord installed a lock on the dumpster. I mention this to say that I finally found a situation where a Masterlock provides an appropriate level of security.
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I wrote a typical PAC-PREZ novel earlier today, but must have forgotten to click the "Comment" button when I was done. Probably had five people in the office asking me questions at the same time. Ug. Nonetheless, will take another shot at it.
Definitely happy to see this head to head show up for lots of reasons. But mostly because the "lockpicking folks" at the DLA worked hard to prove my products were not-compliant with the picking requirements. This was back in '10 or so. That's a long story. The short story is that when I pointed out that the Master government locks lacked any sort of security features, it would fall on deaf ears. I've even filed Inspector General level complaints showing how their products did not meet the required standards. Got shut down every time with answers that I'd consider to be insufficient. "You don't get fired for buying IBM" I feel was the attitude that the DLA was giving me back then... needless to say replace IBM with MLC.
What many don't know was that I stole away from Master 90% of all of the military's "low security padlock" business back in '09. I did it by partnering with Lockheed Martin on a very large contract that won with the DLA. They won like a million different SKUs of which 7 were for padlocks. But the thing was, those 7 NSN (National Stock Numbers) were "the big ones." One day Master had the business, the next day they didn't! And they had no idea how it happened! It was brilliant.
And so started the campaign by some company that I won't mention to discredit our products. I had to fight like you wouldn't believe over the course of two years. But we won, and we kept that contract through 2018.
That contract did a lot for us, and for American manufacturing. What LPL didn't share because he likely didn't know was that PACLOCK's military padlocks are US-Made products (with global components) whereas Master's are Mexican made. That contract put 20 Americans to work for ten years just at PACLOCK... and 3 of those workers were people with disabilities. We had subs here in the States who also hired people to produce components for us. It was good for American manufacturing.
Just as importantly, we just didn't miss for our war fighters whether it was on-time delivery or quality. During those ten years, we produced close to 5 million padlocks for the military. Never once did we get a padlock returned for quality. Ever.
Well, okay, maybe that's not true. We did get padlocks returned for quality, but they weren't PACLOCKs. You can guess which manufacturer's padlocks we'd get back as defective. On top of that, we'd get calls at least once a month from service members who were upset about their padlocks. In typical PACLOCK fashion we'd assume responsibility and work with the customer to figure things out... but when the time was right, my sales team would ask the all important question: "Mind telling me what name is stamped on the padlock?" Every single time the answer would be "Master Lock." Even still, we'd help them out.
In terms of delivery, about year 2 of the contract we convinced Lockheed and the DLA to move us to a "DVD" or "Direct to Vendor Delivery" option. In essence this means that the DLA itself will not stock anything. Typically they buy in bulk from vendors, put it in the DLA's warehouses, and then the DLA ships orders to the war fighters out of that stock.
With DVD the vendor directly ships to the warfighter. I had my IT system directly tied into the DLA's ordering system and whenever Private Snuffy orders a padlock, we'd see that order in real time and ship it out in less than 2 days. And Lockheed picked up the shipping costs to where we shipped everything with an overnight or 2-Day shipping service. So war fighters got their padlocks FAST!
In 8 years of doing DVD, we shipped something like 150,000 unique orders and maintained a 99.998% on time rating! Keep in mind, we had less than 2 days to ship any orders received that day! And still we hit crazy good on-time numbers!
So US made product from a small, woman owned business that hires disabled workers producing a kick butt product with killer deliveries! Why would you ever let that end? Lockheed asked that very question of the DLA. And, in '08, in coordination with the DLA, the Ability One Program stole all of these big movers. I say "stole" because one an NSN (product) is moved to the "Procurement List" like these were, companies like PACLOCK can never compete for that business again. Raw deal.
Two quotes from the Ability One Program will never leave me. First, the Ability One Program's manifesto prohibits it from taking business away from small businesses. So how could this have happened? Well, the executive at Ability One said "well Lockheed Martin is the prime contractor and it is their vendor code being used on these products, so technically they are the producer... and they are a large business." So that's how they go around that hurdle.
I fought hard. Really hard. In the end, the Ability One executive told me on the phone that, "if we don't take business from small businesses, then we won't have business for our companies." Yeah, that sucks. Their customers are non-profits that put people with disabilities to work. I'm 100% good with that. Actually, I already had people with disabilities working on these products. Ug, bag deal all around.
Anyhow, here's your fun facts. First, the "DG" on Master's locks are actually one of their former employee's initials. I won't put his name here, but he was their government sales manager and it was he who convinced the government that a laminated padlock was just as good as a solid body. This happened about 2001. In so doing, Master won every single government contract for padlocks for the next few years because they were bidding a laminated padlock against American's solid body. Not even close.
In so doing, they honored their employee by putting his initials on the padlocks. There's your "DG."
And if you're pissed that the military gets laminated locks now, like many, many were back in '09/'10 when we took over the bulk production, then don't blame anyone but Master. When I was in the Army we had the American solid bodies and loved them as much as you would a padlock.
I am grateful to Jesse for sending these to LPL ~ in fact, I owe you a nice steak dinner simply to say "thanks" for taking the time to inspire LPL to put this together. I had screaming matches with the DLA in '10 saying "my locks are way better than Master's, and yet you want to say that my locks don't comply but theirs do?!!!"
Fortunately my relationship with the DLA is much much better now. But part of that is that Master has reportedly gotten rid of all of their government sales types and seem to be getting out of that business to a large degree. Happy to correct this statement if it is wrong, but everything we've seen these past few years supports that assertion.
Go PACLOCK, Beat Master!!!!
the legend themselves
The difference in quality between the two locks was also noticable by the troops. We could open the master locks with our "master" key fair easily. Untrained people could jiggle open a master lock.
The paclocks were a different beast. If we lost a key, we would go straight for the bolt cutters. Never bothered with anything else.
I didn’t need more reasons to buy paclock over master, but I sure as hell got a few new ones reading this comment. Good stuff.
Wow. I did not expect to enter the comment section and come across such an interesting history lesson. That's pretty cool.
What an awesome story of American entrepreneurship!
The PacLock is to protect the beer supply, the MasterLock is to protect the nuclear weapons.
That would make sense
Good to see a person with well-honed priorities. 😋
Why isn't this pinned? XD
Lol
@@lockpickinglawyer i love u
LPL: "I was unable to feel any security pins in the MasterLock"
Me: *excitedly* "Oh boy! Here comes the rake!"
Master Lock: "Barnacles, I hate the rake."
Master Lock are frequently raked on this channel, haha!
Finally after hundreds of videos, I've "picked" up on that. If there's no security pins, just rake that garbage open.
Twice, to show that it wasn't a fluke.
@@bungobox7454 Raked over the coals, even.
LPL: **breaks into fort knox**
LPL: now let me do that again to show that it wasn't a fluke
I feel like the army would either have to hire him as a security consultant or arrest him. The latter is sadly more probable…
@@joelgreeley8288 LPL: Livestreams his escape from prison, allows the police to arrest him, "now let me do that again to show that it wasn't a fluke"
Master Key: A key that can open many locks.
Master Lock: A lock that can be opened with many keys. Anything's a key.
Anything’s a key. Including a firm stare.
😂😂😂🙌🙌
@@NSLikeableHuman and red bull can
And a jar of pickles
@Jean Du Preez We had one in my* house that with a good shake could be opened with you fingernails.
For Halloween, LPL will open a Master Lock by yelling "BOO!" and scaring the sh...ackle out of it.
Hahah,for halloween people send flyers with LPL logo to MasterLock's office
Most underrated comment here 👍
I see what you did there
Had me in the first half, ngl
@@ztopz7508 hmmm...actually.... we should send all the masterlocks being picked by lockpickers into masterlock office and then ask for a refund after sending this video lol
The greatest trick master lock ever pulled was convincing people security existed.
well they did. they were hard to brute force and how many burglaries do you know of where they actually picked the lock instead of just smashing a window/cutting it off?
Security isn't, and never has been, an absolute. It's a scale from "mild inconvenience" to "gruelling hard work for several hours/days". A soda can is mosquito secured, but Mt Cheyenne military base isn't asteroid secured.
The true nature of Master Lock's crime is convincing people that locks only need to be brute force resistant. I have a Master No 3 that doesn't even need a turning tool to rake open. Just applying a bit of torque on the rake is enough. I could literally not lift a rail way hammer above my head and knock it off the hasp faster than I can open it with a rake.
@@andersjjensen in part because shooting a lock with a magnum on TV looked impressive. And not going to lie, I believed they were very secure until the algorithm sent me here for some reason awhile ago. Not being in the business of managing security it just did not cross my mind to deeply research padlocks. now I am Post-LPL channel and I would not use a master lock to lock up a garbage can because odds are the racoons can probably pick it.
@@thatguybrody4819 Are you new here? 2 wrenches is all you need for a shitty master lock.
@@Scion15 for some yes. but they have beefy locks you can get not just the small cheap ones.
LPL: "These locks differ significantly in pick resistance"
Me: "Let me guess, you can open the MasterLock with a limp noodle?"
LPL: "I was unable to feel any security pins in the MasterLock"
Me: "I KNEW IT!"
The military doesn't care too much about pick resistance, when we have trouble opening these we resort to the "master key," the one with long red handles and a jaw. 😄
LOL
Standard issue bolt cutters 🤣
Standard issue wheel chock or tire iron. Simplicity is the enlisted way to do things when time matters.
We used a hammer, so quick and easy.
Cant tell you how many times we lost keys to a container or vehicle and had to go supply and get the bolt cutters and new locks
As a reminder: "military grade" often means as cheap as possible and isn't a recommendation (probably the opposite). I'm positively surprised by the Pac Lock.
I recall medical grade is the throw away, military should have a little more weight to some thing for being "hopefully" long term.
Take a gun. Or a combat knife. Military grade I would hope implies it can survive rain haha. Not saying its exclusive. But resonable assumption.
You need this edit: MADE as cheaply as possible, but sold at insanely high prices.
Mil Spec means cheapest that meets contract requirements.
No military grade means has nothing to do with price it means the highest quality.
@@dayner989 Durability, it is not and never meant quality.
The amount of locks we had to cut off in the military was absurd. We could have just raked them open apparently 🤣
That's how I learned to pick. Someone always had the bolt cutter and the 1stSgt started counseling us because supply kept losing the logbooks. It made perfect sense.
Yeah but that means they'd still be in service.
You did a good job getting rid of them
@@SgtRudySmithbRet don't get me started on incompetent leadership.
I could've saved my unit so much money lol
I actually did pick/decode a few master locks to save us from having to cut them. My coworkers didn't ask questions. XD
"And probably compete for the same military contracts." The No-Fluke Division of Masterlock just lost millions.
I forgot about that that until you wrote it. 😅😆
I miss the Lock Picking Lawyer and what he had for me today.
Hope you are well sir and just enjoying family time and a much deserved break!
If it takes the LPL more than 15 seconds to open any given lock, I consider it to be a good 'nuff lock for me.
that's some bullshit
Tbh if it can't be raked or cut easily its good for 90% of applications
He took more time doing his intro than to open up the masterlock
TBH, even I wasn’t expecting it to give up that quickly. Caught me by surprise.
@@lockpickinglawyer Masterlock Marketing: See that?? Our locks are so wonderful that LPL admired "Caught me by surprise" :)
Yeah that tends to happen with those lol
@@raycapetillo5569 Best advertising Master Lock could ever get.
"Caught LPL by surprise"
He spent more time using a key to open it than raking.
Hope you're doing alright, you usually post almost daily if not weekly so hope all is well! Love your work!
Like how no one replied to this comment, we just agree
Just came from JerryRigEverything video to compare the voices of both
you know the lock's bad when LPL giggles at it lmfao
Masterlock: Haha I’m in danger!
Masterlock probably doesnt care because everyone buying their products arent Men Of Culture
@@markm0000 Open wide, here comes the RAKE!
More like, you know the lock's bad when it's Masterlock
@@mercronniel3122 Girl: Hey someone broke into my locker!
LPL: Takes one look at the Masterlock from 5 feet away and it crumbles to pieces.
Here is a superior Abloy to keep your panties safe!
Girl: Melts in his arms.
That’s how Ms. LPL and LPL came to be. The end.
The masterlock's have been unauthorized for a while now and no longer meet GSA standards. We trashed a bunch of the older masterlock's years ago, though I'm sure some of those may still linger in a HMMWV or cage somewhere awaiting another Cyclic Inventory...
Good to hear they dumped that trash.
That's actually quite reassuring to hear.
I remember when we used them and the old brass locks all the time, they were so easy to get around specially the brass locks course this was back in the 1975-1985 time frame .
This does not sound like the government I'm used too.... are you sure they didn't "can" the pac lock and order 10,000,000 master locks that don't work? LOL
navy still uses them. maybe its years and years or backstock but we still get them all the time
Where has he gone? I'm getting worried
hope the lock doc is well...i'm getting the shakes
I requested that my wife buy me some tools from Covert Instruments for my birthday, and I was suprised/dismayed that on my first attempt I was able to rake open my own master lock just as fast as LPL did it here (OK, it took me a bit longer to figure out the tension). It really is a low-skill attack.
My interest in locks began when one of my kids lost the keys to my wife's bike. I created a primitive pick out of wire and guessed it would take a while to open what seemed to be a big and powerfull wire lock. I was astonished at the low quality, when it took less than 3 seconds for me, an absolute beginner, to open it. Not by raking even. Didn't know I could do that.
Yes, that's why you NEVER BUY MASTERLOCK EVER.
They always find the excuse that they're meant to be low-security, but PACLOCK sells locks that are just as cheap, but 10x effective.
@dmdeemer This story sounds mighty familiar! 😂
I haven't managed to rake my 2 Master Locks yet after I got LPL's starter kit, but single pin picking was surprisingly easy.
@@chcikety I agree, but would use the word "inexpensive" rather than "cheap". Masterlocks are cheap. PacLocks are inexpensive
"I have been unable to feel any security pins in the Masterlock"
Ah yes, the glass is made of glass.
I would like a glass half made of glass.
Where are you lockpicking lawyer?
I really did enjoy seeing you attempt to rake open a lock with security pins and learning about how it drops into a false set.
In a way, Masterlock has a rich and consistent legacy. It's astonishing.
"If you lose your keys, you'll be glad you bought a Masterlock".
IT is weird indeed. Everywhere I comment, people tell me how much they love me and my content. Sometimes IT is annoying. But right now, IT would be okay. So say something nice about my content, dear jr
@@weswheel4834 Such an underrated comment
@@AxxLAfriku ach komm axxl, halt die Klappe mit deiner eigenwerbung
@@erseshe Report the luser for spamming instead of playing his game. Hopefully enough of us yelling at them will inspire CZcams to finally take out the trash.
Love the way he pushed the Master lock out the way with the outside of his hand at 1:58. So dismissive.
baby food
I love how he holds his pinkie finger out when raking (just like elegantly drinking a cup of tea).
Oi mate care for a good paclock and biscuit?
When I first discovered your channel I was in the Air Force and got my hands on a couple of the Pac Locks to try and pick. I’m glad to see their at least a little hard to pick since I couldn’t get them open in any reasonable time.
LPL: "I was unable to feel any security pins in the MasterLock"
Me: Of course not...
Right.. If he felt one in there he would known someone tampered with the lock and put it in there.
@@dons8122 Master locks truly has an abysmal reputation.
Well you have to give it to their lock out tag out security locks. Great cores in those plastic bodies :P
I'm not the best picker in the world but, I own Master locks that I've never been able to pick open. Well chosen bitting has always been more of a problem for me than security pins.
@@jermainerace4156 that's an issue of shitty tolerances more than anything
I was actually glad to see you try and rake open a rake resistant lock, just for having seen it fail to work. It really does help with getting the idea that it's not how you unlock it.
Its been a week, im missing the videos
1:06 LPL: "Let's do that one more time just so you can see it's not a fluke."
Me: "Stop, it's already dead."😂
Who else automatically says that with him in unison whenever he does that? 🖐️
@@shanerountree3623 o/
This just makes me sad about the term "military grade security". I know that's usually associated with encryption, but still.
With encryption it means "just strong enough that civilians can't break it"
Remember, "military grade" just means "meets minimum standards, can be bought in bulk, and is cheaper than the other options."
@@r.l.royalljr.3905
Ouch, fax right there.
If "Military Grade" makes you sad wait until you're confronted with Military "intelligence." 😆
You have to bear in mind the nature of what's being secured and potentially having to get at it without the keys in an emergency. I suspect this is why the shackle is so slim. It's strong enough to keep out someone simply curious, but weak enough that if what's secured is needed for official purposes even if the keyholder cannot be found, then breaking the lock isn't too much of a challenge.
The problem with the Master is that if anyone with a wave rake can open it, then someone can let themselves in without a key, do whatever it is they're going to do (steal would be my guess), and then close-up and leave without leaving evidence (ie a cut-off lock) that they were ever there. Someone doing security rounds seeing a bunch of intact locks won't see evidence of a crime and thus won't know to report that crime.
Most people are not experts to LPL's level when it comes to picking. Most people would not defeat the lock in under a minute nondestructively. This means that without keys, gaining access is probably going to be done destructively. Someone doing security rounds who's actually paying attention should notice a missing or broken lock.
I'm going to guess that these locks are used for things like infantry materiel that they don't use often, things that are expensive enough to want to avoid having them walk away, but not so expensive that they justify more expensive locking methods. It could be that if there's an emergency they'll need the materiel, so someone will break the lock if they can't simply open it, so it needs to be easy enough to break that it doesn't prevent access in that emergency.
The funny thing is back when I still went to the gym (covid killed the business) I would use a master lock on my locker. I lost the key over a decade ago, but would just jimmy it open with another unrelated key on my key ring.
If you don't have a rake, a split anti-slip screwdriver will often work.
Covid didn’t kill the business. It’s a virus that makes humans cough. Tyrannical politicians and the sheep that follow them killed the business.
@@emersonb5764
Exactly.
@@emersonb5764 A tip reminder: If you don't know what are you talking, it's better to remain your drama to yourself
@@emersonb5764 there's the conspiracy theorist. or worse, someone that recognizes the dangers that covid causes but does not care.
LPL… we are starting to worry! Hope you’re well and picking away!!!
Hope you're doing well! Been a bit since you uploaded!
"Happened to have found..."
Those locks are literally *everywhere.* Lol.
It's codetalk for "i brought them home even if I wasn't supposed to" 😀
@@JudgeAnnibal there's only 1 thief in the military. Everyone else is just trying to get their stuff back.
@@JudgeAnnibal the term you're looking for is "tactically acquire".
@@SgtRudySmithbRet They've been trying to find the guy for over a hundred years. He's a sneaky one alright.
So tired of raking them out of my damn yard
In the military we “pick” these locks all the time. (With bolt cutters ;) )
We also usually begging supply for more locks.
Maybe you should just try staring at them real hard.
Or maybe you should lighten up with the bolt cutters.
🤣 grab the master key.
@@victor-charlesscafati You sound just like our supply
What a waste of bolt cutters cuz you guys couldve just tickle the lock hole and opened it
Awesome! So as many know there are no "keys" for military vehicles as they don't have a standard key type ignition. These type locks are used to either lock the outside of the vehicle or lock the steering wheel in place. Very often these keys get lost and locks are cut. When I was stationed in Germany I would collect the cut locks in order to pick them and keep the pins. After I had a substantial collection I started making a matched set of good locks for a key I already had. It was mainly a hobby of learning but I still have a few of those locks around here somewhere. lol
Masterlock never disappoints to disappoint. They're definitely military grade locks.
That little chuckle the first time LPL opens the master lock. It tells it all
my expirences with lokcs in the military. Most of the time we just use bolt cutters because the key would either end up being lost or we have to replace the locks because we needs to get rid of the giant ring of unknown keys. being key control was fun
That's the longest I've ever seen you have to pick a lock. Kudos to the design team
Hope everything’s alright LPL, haven’t seen you in a bit
Probably because he's busy building an electric humvee
@@aaronryder4008 He did his demonstration with a lock in his other channel
Masterkey - can open any lock
Masterlock - can be opened by any key
It all makes sense
Paclock is $10 on ebay. Seems like a good deal for securing things like a wood shed or a low-value storage locker.
I have a few of the $10 ebay ones, and none of them have security pins. They were my first training locks, but it was just heavy tension and force the pin to the sheer line.
eBay is still used??
@@rossfuller3224 yea its cheaper then amazon?
@@rossfuller3224 mine were new
Great video Jerryrigeverything!
LockPickingLawyer,
You've started your channel in June 23, 2015.
Your videos made 792,231,622 views.
You've made 1373 videos of your Lock Picking Videos.
Your first one was in June 24, 2015.
Your first upload was called Ten American Lock Series 1100 Padlocks Picked in a Row.
That was 6 years ago.
You've managed to make 1373 videos, once a week, for 6 years.
Don't work way too hard on yourself.
Your work is incredible.
You may think I'm just another one out of 1579 commenters, and you are correct.
I just wanted to say...
You done a great job. Don't give up, but take a break every once in a while. Not too long though.
Thank you for your time. Congrats.
Signed,
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Can’t wait for episode 10000
“How tough is the lock to the white house”
That should be 1600.
I will use this rake that Bozznian Bill and I made. And just like this, hello, mr. President, we are in!
The problem isn't the locks, it's the secret service agents with machine guns.
@@johndododoe1411 hahaha i see what you did there good job.
@@johndododoe1411 God I hope it's not a 1600 Series American Lock. We use to use those on everything from tool boxes to cages to HMMWVs steering wheel locks. I got good at getting those open without keys.
Someday I'll start my lock picking journey on Master locks.
good luck!
Low hanging fruit :P
@@nickolaspedersen3349 I don't think you need much luck to pick masterlocks locks lol
What, you mean just looking at them angrily and they open?
I'm pretty sure the only reason that Master still sells locks with crappy tolerances is because new pickers use them as practice locks. At least they are good for something, I have my 10lb bag of them :)
I hope everything is okay with the LPL. Hopefully is is enjoying a nice vacation. 🏖 🏝 🌴
I think he got locked up.
@@scottyTy 🤣🤣🤣 He will just pick his way out.
@im trans 😩 yeah the smell knocked him out.
Anyone know if LPL is OK?
“And WE got this open.”
No LPL You got that open. We watched
We're all in this together, Jason!
Success = "WE", Failure = "I". Content creation 101.
Tis the royal we. He is our king after all.
No no, you guys have it wrong. "We" is referring to LPL and his tools.
@@zyffyr That's why Er Maj sits on the throne. A Royal Wee.
Baby come back..
Is anyone else getting a little worried?
@im trans in the psych ward?
With how often it's talked about that for most locks, pick resistance is slightly less important than Destruction resistance, you'd think the military would be equal on both if not more priority on pick resistance due to the threat of Covert infiltration, and to that the Masterlock is Just plain embarrassing. If the military is going to have the ridiculous levels of hardware it has, I'd at least want to know that someone with a Rake couldn't sneak and steal something. The Paclock on the other hand I'm satisfied with. 1 minute in a controlled environment by someone with LPL's skills translates to Too much time to try and covertly pick out in public, and a Destructive attack Risks being loud enough to attract attention, and all but guarantee's someone finds out what you've done way faster.
These locks are for almost only used for locking things like shipping containers, personnel lockers and vehicles. Most of the time which only contain non sensitive equipment. Its to keep units from stealing from other units that need to replace there own stolen items. The military is just always trying to steal back there stolen items. Really sensitive things have much more complex security then just a lock. An arms room physical security inspection will have well over 100 points of inspection.
Every drill instructor with a rake: “OOOOOHHH, which one of you maggots left their footlocker open???”
You seemed to have gone silent. Hope your ok and doing well. Looking forward to your next video.
I have found the channel I always wanted but never knew I wanted
I had no idea who you were when you showed up in my recommended but now i love this channel
Brand new subscriber, here.
Thank you for the entertaining, quality content...
Actually miss watching the new vids when they come out part of my routine before bed!
Dude, I really enjoy your videos. It's short and straight to the point. No BS around. Keep up with the good work!
LPL, been watching your channel finding it fascinating but thought I’d never use the info,, then lo and behold I lost the key to my circuit beaker door. You are awesome sir. Thank you
LPL: I feel no security pins in the Masterlock
Me: Oh you gonna get raked today lock.
It takes longer to get a master lock out of the plastic burst packs they come in
Amazed by how large the difference in security is between the two, even a seasoned lock picker like yourself spent a fair amount of time on that pac lock in the single pin technique (in comparison to 80% of your previous picks on the channel 😁)
Thoroughly enjoyed this one🤙🏼
FINALLY, I just picked my first lock. I got locked out of my home a while ago and decided to not only never go out without my keys again but to learn how to pick a lock as a backup if I did do that again. I had an annoying padlock that I lost the key for and used it as a training tool. I must have tried dozens of times with the lock picking sets and got nowhere until today. It was like "Feel the force Luke" and just looked away and felt the pins springing up and down and using more pressure than usual on the leverage bar and click it opened. Nice feeling thank you LPL
Very nicely done. As soon as I understood this to be a head to head comparison, I knew who was going to come out on top.
Masterlock executive:
"Someone get over to Pac Lock and get me their schematics !"
But sir, we might slow somebody down... since when have we ever done that?
They know how to make decent locks - they just don't feel a need to bother.
Masterlock underling: "We tried boss, but they aren't using our locks on the doors!"
I pitched all my Master brand locks, if even someone like me can get them open without a key they proved to me they are junk.
I didn’t. They’re in my practice pile.
I have a MasterLock SFIC with a paracentric keyway, good bitting and security pins that I swap between my BEST and American padlocks.
It confuses the hell out of people when none of their bump keys fit.
The only master lock I own is a "911" I believe it is labeled. Basically what a masterlock should be but most are not.
Back in 2016ish, long before I had any interest in lock picking, my squad ordered 100 locks all keyed the same.
We received the Master Locks with 5 keys and a letter explaining the potential security risks associated with having everything controlled by one key.
The irony is that we quickly learned that the locks could be opened with almost any Master Lock key if used it like a rake or hit the lock with a hammer while turning the key. It was genuinely faster to break into our own vehicles than it was to go sign out a key.
Who is here after Jerry video...
He’s not posted in 2 weeks because he’s been busy with pumpkins, building an electric hummer and the birth of his son, it all makes sense now.
Here two weeks later, there have been no videos from LPL since this one. I hope he and those in his life are well!
I'm not here begging for more content, there is plenty to rewatch.
Figured I'd let you know I just bought 3 separate master lock magnum locks from depot. Apparently a level 8 security. While unpacking I quickly noticed that all locks came with 2 keys, which were all exactly the same in each of the packages. So, if you have that key, anytime you see that lock you can open it. Unbelievable.
I never thought I'd enjoy watching videos about locks, keep it up good sir!
LPL , I miss your videos
The amount of these locks I’ve had to cut off containers and tool boxes in unreal.
Love these videos, can't stop watching in my downtime
Thank you, and thanks to Jessie for sending these to you. I have been very impressed with PacLock products, and this just confirms that for me.
Love your channel and skills Lockpickinglawyer
LPL is picking military locks now. He's one step closer to getting into Fort Knox
Nah, he picked these souveneirs up on his way out of the fort.
Hey LPL just received my covert companion plus expansion pack today. Assembled in a few minutes. Very nice little tool lots of options in a small package. I don’t think it’s gonna replace my Peterson tools anytime soon but it’s a nice back up with a small foot print. You did well sir much appreciated.
Thanks LPL for the little tidbit about raking and false-sets. Those little things help a beginner like me understand a nuance of picking.
Sixteen days since last LPL video. Where is LPL? Could it be LPL has been removed from CZcams for teaching how to pick open keyed padlocks and lots more!
He opened the locks for the military and disappeared. A coincidence?
Thank you Jesse !
That was very educational, thank you for educating me,👍
The Pacific Lock looks like it has a gold zinc finish. Slightly more resilient than normal zinc, and may also be there because it's a harder grade of steel.
When it came to munitions storage we had dual Medicos on the blast doors which where very difficult to open even with the keys, never mind the 30 second limited alarm box. Difficult weather for sure.
I recently met this channel but I fell in love with it.
I’ve been waiting for this for so long me and a friend practice in these in our downtime
Two weeks without a video upload? Masterlock have taken him out guys :(
Just came from Zack's just to be sure you are not him... Or am I wrong?!
At my apartment, we had a problem with a dumpster diver who repeatedly left a huge mess behind. As such, my landlord installed a lock on the dumpster. I mention this to say that I finally found a situation where a Masterlock provides an appropriate level of security.
"Honey, I think someone's outside our door."
Voice outside the door: "4....5....6...."
Am I only LPL subscriber wanting to know where is LPL?
Busy makimg jerry rig everything videos
At least the Paclock took skill to defeat, that is a good thing in the lock world. Thanks for this video, cheers
I knew this was gonna be good once I saw the thumbnail and title. I was not disappointed.