MTG Arena's Most Hated Card Returns: Nexus of Fate! | Much Abrew
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4:46 Match 1
21:10 Match 2
32:17 Match 3
43:33 Match 4
1:02:46 Match 5 - Hry
It's funny that the core of this deck was standard legal back in Eldraine standard
I used to play Arena in Eldraine standard. That was like the wild west, lawless, cruel, and everyone was doing incredibly busted things out from every direction. But yeah this deck was one of the creams of the crop of that time xD
kinda, half the deck was either banned or rotated with eldrains release
There was still once upon a time too to guarantee the 1 drop into oko😭
nah, it rotated with eldraines release, it was in the standard before.
@@colecarmichael5724 Right! Once upon a time was a MESSED up card. You could always have the Goose for the turn 2 oko xD What a wild standard. I'll never be over the playtest team saying that they never thought people would use Oko's +1 on opponent stuff as removal, there were testing him strictly as a food payoff.
I dont blame them tho, the playtest team has never been funded enough to have enough people do extensive testing, and they have to test everytrhing from standard to vintage and commander.
Seth, who hurt you these past weeks? 😢
Wasn't his favorite deck at one point mono red prison?
Glad I missed those cards in rotation. Looks pretty toxic
No one hurt him, he's just a closet sadist.
No hurt Seth, this is just Seth in his prime element. They just don't make magic cards like the ones legal in timeless
@@Jerrysaurus Nexus was so much worst when it was legal in standard because the deck had no way to close out the game so they would slowly mill you out which would take forever.
8:30 there is a bug on arena with the end step stop. If you take an extra turn on your end step, you'll start the next turn with what looks like a stop already in place on your end step. This is a visual bug. There is no stop set for you on your additional turn. To set a stop on your end step again, turn the stop off and then on again (lol) between taking extra turns
It's all part of the stupid design decision that Arena, in difference to mtgo, doesn't let you put in permanent regular stops, only ones for the current turn cycle. Add that visual bug on top and you get this great situation.
You figured it out eventually, but I thought shuffling away the Growth Spiral you put on top and wondering where it was, was hilarious.
Wizards: Hey, here is a fun format where all the cards on arena are available!
Seth: How can I make it the least fun for my opponent???
Fun is a zero-sum game. If they have none, you have all.
@@metalhev3989Spoken like a true Spike
There was a period on Arena where 2/3+ of the opponents were playing NoF decks. It got to the point where the moment you saw wilderness rec you pretty much just scooped to find a different deck to play against.
Also, Nexus trolled Seth in chests for something like 800 chests. He finally got one on a week I wasn't watching 😅😅
Impliying Ragavan-Bowmasters-dark ritual decks are less miserable to go against
@@alejandrovallejo6763 At least you die quickly. Nexus is just completely one-sided
Just a tip from someone who plays a bunch of lotus control on Arena, the client essentially removes the user set stop after the first instance is over. Therefore, if you want to it stop every time, you have to reset the stop even though the client shows you have a stop already.
For anyone that wants to brew with Field of the dead, remember that basic snow-cowered lands are different from normal ones and count towards your 7 goal
Why? Can you teach me I'm not familiar and don't understand?
They're named "snow covered [basic]" not [basic] and field cares about names @@SirRyan420
@@SirRyan420Different name.
@@bensteinhauser784 i see, I just now actually read field of the dead now I understand. ty
"where did my growth spiral go" is a big mood, I have done that too many times with scrying and fetches
Watching Seth mess up the interactions of Nexus of Fate and Brainstorm after he went on about how zoomer don't know how to brainstorm is a thing.
to be fair, he also puts growth spiral on top with mystic sanctuary and then immediately shuffles it away, so i think its not understanding that nexus shuffles, and not a lack of understanding how brainstorm works
@@alaraplatt8104 Knowing how other cards work is a part of "knowing how to Brainstorm".
*puts card on top*
*immediately shuffles*
"where did my card go?"
classic
That feeling when you remember that elking things ticks Oko UP...
The ol' client just passing through the end step despite full control and a stop is why I have yet to see nexus of fate be a good deck in Timeless.
I never had a problem with it until a couple of months ago where it just started sometimes not holding priority with a stop in the end step. The inconsistency is pretty irritating
It does that when you perform the same actions repeatedly (casting Nexus). I lost a game I was about to win with Kethis because Arena passed the turn even when I had more time on the rope
@@blipsontheradarI'd expected it was some kind of safety valve that isn't smart enough to recognize what the human was trying to do.
If you had nothing but Nexus of Fates in your deck, a bot (or very dedicated jerk) could just cast them infinitely until the opponent scooped, right?
It's none of that. The indicator persisting between turns is a lie, you just have to toggle off and on the end stop each turn
@@ecoKady that happened to Shahar Shenhar back in the deck’s glory days and it became a huge thing. Not suprised it’s a feature, just annoyed I can’t play Kethis
Can you believe this was a standard deck at one point?
Not the exact list, but the banned pieces were all in the same standard
was nexus in standard with oko?
@@surfinggarchomp2820 Yup. Nexus came out in Core 2019, meant to be the base set to work with for 2019 standard, and Thrones came out in Oct 2019. If both remained legal, you could have played a deck that had both in it.
@@surfinggarchomp2820 It's a little bit of a lie. They were all in a 2 year period, but I forgot DOM and M19 rotated before ELD. Also cards were getting banned along the way. But there were several Standard decks that had multiple cards from this deck, while they were available.
Dom: Teferi
M19: Nexus
GRN: Nothing
RNA: Growth Spiral, Wilderness Reclamation
WAR: T3feri, Nissa who Breaks the Meta
M20: Field of the Dead
(Teferi Rotates, Nexus is already banned)
ELD: Oko, Once Upon a Time, Mystic Sanctuary
THB: Uro
@@surfinggarchomp2820 no, nexus rotated when eldrain released
close, but not the same standard, Teferi HoD & Nexus rotated when eldrain released
I will say, I'm glad your prediction from the Timeless debut that we might end up with a stale Timeless format is so far not coming true. I see a very healthy and diverse metagame in my own experience and it's fun to be able to play a variety of different deck strategies.
true, i saw basically everything from burn to turbofog. just missing real tron.
6:23 putting growth spiral on top to shuffle it away is some next level play.
I feel like this deck wins more off Nexus than field of the dead. That being said, this was a hilariously awesome deck. It also really shows how a pile of design mistakes from 2019 make a real strong deck.
Instead of Money Pile this is a Problem Pile
My favorite part of timeless is how many decks are built around exploiting one absurdly broken card (I'm on team Necropotence) for max value
"salty rope" is definitely a way to phrase that intro lol
I love watching these timeless videos because I don't have near enough wildcards to play in that format. Im hoping there will be a semi playable red deck wins that I can craft down the road.
“That’s the tough part about sideboarding with this deck is there’s not a lot to cut really” me with every deck I build
Then you don't play interaction.
There are 6 cards to cut here in the right match up: 4 Swords and 2 Supreme Verdict.
Actually, you cut Tefere's Protection and the 2 mana do nothing Search for Azcanta anyway, so....
@@47Mortuus you = 🤓
This was so cool to see. I also had little to no idea what was happening most of the time lol.
I played this deck in the all access almost no ban list even and I found memory deluge to be insanely good just to make use of all that mana you''re getting with wilderness reclamation (:
Or... you know... hold up interaction?
Deluge seems kinda meh compared to Planeswalkers that interact AND help you getting advantage during your extra turns without spending mana. Also seems like a poor man's Dig Through Time, especially in this deck Dig is just way better.
Explore/Growth Spiral and Uro want you to keep up 1 mana spells other than Brainstorm or Swords, like Spell Pierce (more powerful the older the format).
Either way the main deck only has interaction for creature match ups. Teferi, Time Raveler seems perfect here and with that and the need for at least a few counterspells I don't think there's room for this type of effect anyways.
You probably want to move some of the untap value to your mana base. Hall of the Storm Giant seems really unnecessary and Seth never cycled those tapped duals (you don't want to in 95% of all cases; 26 lands is pretty light now that thinning is relevant). The tapped Gates that seek a nonland only once for effectively 5 mana are great. They have basic land types, too.
Even though all I said still holds true, [[Memory Deluge]] still is very good in this deck, surprisingly, making what I said about it untrue.
I ranked up to Mythic from Diamond 4 in 2 days with a variant on this deck.
[[Memory Deluge]] plays out way better than one might think. Timeless is highly interactive format; [[Memory Deluge]] finds answers for you or keeps the infinite turns loop going.
2 reasons why [[Memory Deluge]] > [[Dig Through Time]]: 1) It doesn't conflict with [[Uro, Titan of Nature's Wrath]] 2) it finds you 4 cards out of the top 11 instead of 2 out of 7. What I did not anticipate is the sheer amount of mana [[Wilderness Reclamation]] can produce, especially in multiples. On the flip side the 2 mana difference can decide the game not in your favor if you needed it for casting Nexus, but that almost never comes up at all.
List:
SPELLS
4 Swords to Plowshares
4 Brainstorm
4 Growth Spiral
4 Reprieve
2 Divine Purge
3 Memory Deluge
4 Nexus of Fate
PERMANENTS
2 Teferi, Time Raveler
3 Uro, Titan of Nature's Wrath
4 Wilderness Reclamation
LANDS (Mystic Sanctuary is fringe, Minas Tirith instead kinda pops off. Also Misty Ranforest in Timeless Anthology 1 please? then its 4/3/1 or even 4/4/1 aka 9 fetches)
1 Forest
1 Island
1 Plains
1 Boseiju, Who Endures
1 Otawara, Soaring City
1 Eiganjo, Seat of the Empire
1 Gate to Manorborn
1 Gate to Seatower
1 Gate to the Citadel
1 Castle Vantress
1 Minas Tirith
1 Temple Garden
1 Hallowed Fountain
1 Breeding Pool
1 Spara's Headquarters
3 Field of the Dead
4 Flooded Strand
4 Windswept Heath
SIDEBOARD
4 Veil of Summer
3 Haywire Mite
2 Fragment Reality
2 Soul Partition
1 Dovin's Veto
1 Divine Purge
1 Teferi's Protection
1 Teferi, Time Raveler
LOVE when you do field of the dead decks!!!!
I love it. And now please as a Turbofog deck!
Next time you gotta play eggs Seth, I don't know how I don't know where but if we're doing a bucket list of miserable decks this has to be in it
I love when you play decks like this and the bloodmoon deck idc if it’s powerful I just like watching the gentle soul that is Seth be so fun loving and play some of the saltiest decks ever
😂
i love this deck so much, I built it back in standard before it got banned, now in timeless I run it without white and mainly go for expansion explosion or nexus loop. Thank you for showcasing it!
you die to 1 drops then
This reminds me of something extremely close to my first standard deck when I started grinding tournaments love this deck and watch sad opponent was always fun for me
My favourite Grinch youtuber, ty for the video :-)
6:43 you remember how Nexus shuffles itself back into the deck? That's what happened to your growth spiral, Nexus shuffled it away.
In the last game, opponent was dead even without a second Nexus because you had the Hall of Storm Giants. This deck is so sweet and fun and brings me back to some golden age of control... I feel like I'm gonna crack some wildcards !
Just missing Veil of Summer for the board. Great content!
Nah theres a lot more wrong with this
This brings back memories
i didn't see the podcast you mentioned but deathrite is definitely insane lol
Once you got to 7 mana against Garuda it was impossible to mill you out since Nexus has that replacement effect *from anywhere*.
True but if they do it early enough you have 4 lands in play and 2 fetches in hand and all your deck is is 4 Nexus of Fate. Not a great spot I believe. Doesn't matther if you have 7 mana and/or Wilderness Reclamation in play, you'd need to overcome their board with zombies to do anything.
Timeless is such a breath of fresh air in arena, please keep making this kind of content!
Seth's in his villian arc. I love it.
He was always a villain he’s just finally saying it out loud
Are there any decent replacement options for the Arena only digital cards in the sideboard which I refused to use let alone craft?
Really want valakut, the molten pinnacle to come to arena. Need myself some titanshift action in timeless
Wild that a Standard 2019 deck is competitive in the Timeless format 😨
Plus Brainstorm and fetches and Supreme Verdict of course
Stops rarely work right. The amount of times arena has skipped my upkeep stop so I could cast an instant to scry is too many times.
I experienced this in the no ban historic event. You have to set the stop during each extra turn or else it'll just pass it. It's bad
I appreciate how Seth is always playing in the Bo3 ques
a few weeks ago I made a comment saying I didn't like two of the decks you had done.
In this instance, I actually was entertained by you playing a meta deck with meta cards. I think the difference between this and say, the lifegain/explorer deck for example is that this deck is DEGENERATE and has a lot of various interactions and doesn't always play out the exact same way. Nexus is weird because it's the jankiest looking meta deck I've ever had the displeasure of playing vs lol
I think as long as you don't have to many decks like this in a row, I won't have any issue with you doing meta stuff.
Again I apologize if I sounded rude back then but since this was a meta deck that I DID enjoy watching, I felt obligated to comment and say you did a great job with this one!
Also Seth, I'd love to see you brew around a food fight deck with Encroaching Mycosynth!
I made a blue/green/red deck that made a lot of creature/food/treasure tokens and used training grounds to kill my opponents! if only their was a way to copy food fight itself in standard.
Wow! 👌
By the way.
I highly recommend you play Duel commander format.
1 vs 1 with 20 life and 99 cards deck with commander.
Banned sol ring, mana vault, jeweled lotus.
17:00 Why did you need another blue source? Can't you tap the Blue source land in response to the Reclamation trigger and double up on the Blue in the Mana Pool?
One argument I've heard of against other formats having a Restricted list is that it ends up making much of the format look very similar. Once you have enough Restricted cards, it'll become a lot like Vintage, where a common starting point for deck building is "Lotus, 5 Moxen, Sol Ring, Ancestral Recall, Demonic Tutor, Yawgmoth's Will, Time Walk" and that's already nearly 20% of your deck before you've even chosen an archetype - adding four Force of Will (not unreasonable) and now you're at a full 25% of a maindeck. On top of this it doesn't take much to push the list to 50% or more commonly-played Restricted cards, such as Brainstorm and Vampiric Tutor. So if another format gets that ability and hits a critical mass of Restricted cards, the feel is the format would become overly cohesive and only the actual win condition (Tinker-Colossus vs Oath-Atraxa vs Storm, for example) would be different.
Around 17:00, playing Uro over Nexus looks crazy to me - because both are essentially just an Explore in that spot, but Nexus lets you play another thing if it doesn't hit the blue source, like the other Nexus, Uro, or something you draw, whereas Uro missing just instantly loses
If you don't have full control in, you need to set any stops before your last possible play. Otherwise the auto passer will already be on opp turn before you click the stop. Even if it looks like you did it fast enough, the program has already passed
Bright side be with you
It still surprises me just how many of these cards were in standard together.
Ah, I see you chose violence
So Crim plays super friends bant control with Okos, Narsets and Teferis. And now you come with bant Nexus of Fate? xD Omg you guys are so evil. Love it
Seth!! I have been dominating with a cats tribal deck. You think you could make a cool deck with something u haven't thought of
Caught on camera! 36:05 "I mean, I can't help it, I like making opponents miserable!" - Seth 'SaffronOlive' Waterman
Played a nexus deck, and test of talents is a magnificent stop to their combo
A random test of talents seems like it would ruin a lot of decks in timeless...good idea!
@@MasterCrvo it's been increasingly good to play in my main deck, and it's a life saver for playing tainted combo
Not really. Ive had my Nexi Stone Brain'd plenty of times. I just make Zombies and especially if it's a blue deck that would play ToT, they have no chance against that and Uro alone.
i played this kind of deck during the open access and it seems like the endstep stop only works for ONE turn, then you have to remove and re-add it. :/
Nexus goes back into your deck so you can't loop it, obviously. If it went to the grave you could flashback it or add it back to your hand
(That may have been the dev's idea when making the card)
No it was designed to be a 1 of finisher in bad control decks that play creatures or planeswalkers that cant win on their own.
Obviously creature lands do that job the best but it's nice to have some variation.... I guess
Seth on his villain arc this month 😂
These busted brews are the best, keep em coming!
What if you did this deck, but with gates too? Using the Nexus to force a Gates win?
It's nice to see all these animations that current sets are missing.
I wish they would create them still even if closed behind gold/gems to unlock.
Honestly they'd probably make a killing locking animations behind a pay wall. People love stuff like that in COD and other games that do that. Or rather, not love, but people go for it for sure
16:33 Why would you not float your mana in response to the Wilderness Reclamation trigger so you could take an extra turn?
How did you avoid nonstop turn 1 thoughtseize? All I ever play against is rakdos
Oko is a relatively clean answer to The One Ring, since you could always Elk them.
This is why I’ve been saying modern needs oko unbanned
"Elk the One Ring"
*new trauma intensifies along with disturbing flashbacks*
Back when Nexus was Standard legal, I paired it with Sunbird's Invocation. Nexus, reveal another in the top 7, and good to go!
The main reason this is the most hated card is that you don't win on the spot and you can fizzle so opponent can't just scoop when you start comboing, they have to wait in the off chance you fumble it.
56:14 Is that an Alex Bertoncini reference? lol
My dirty mind thought the worst of the phrase “salty ropes”
why did swordsing the drc make a meow sound at 22:20? xD 🐈
Companion reaction.
My Black Lotus just sits there and takes it if they destroy some of my stuff.
Would leyline of anticipation be to much of a stretch for this deck? Just for the wilderness rec?
dafuq why
Wilderness Rec is free on your turn, -4 mana on theirs. plus they untap to possibly counter it.
Just the worst suggestion. I have a list of LITERALLY 20 cards that might make the cut which are better than Flash Leyline LMAO
Last game u also had hall of the storm giants 4 lethal great games lol
Our dog's test result: Not cancer
This deck: Literally cancer
Also this is the Magic deck equivalent of the Justin Wong “you’re gonna learn today, kid” video
“What happened to that growth spiral?” Loll
That glitch you had on Arena is one of the many, many reasons I stopped playing on the platform.
It's just not fun when you plan out your turn and the game decides to do whatever it wants to do regardless of the settings you input.
6:38 seth forgot nexus shuffled his deck haha
Is temur wilderness+explosion a thing?
I think this is Seth's villain origin story
Seth was the villain all along, and we love him for it.
Field of the dead is probably too slow and fair, only if you want to try and run it as your only plan. Field was so strong that in standard just running field and explore/ramp effects would have been too good for most non-field decks to deal with. Field is probably the strongest plan B or incidental win con a deck can have.
Playing Seth’s videos at x1.5 speed really helps with how kinda dull they are
I wish I could set my opponents to 1.5x. speed
I was salty by the end of the deck intro 😂
I'm wondering if beans would be worth it as a draw engine in this deck
Not even close.
Seth is so getting coal for Christmas
Seth has entered his villain arc.
Match 1 game 2 you didn't have the foresight to fetch a second blue source 😅
Seth: *casts Nexus of Fate and shuffles away Growth Spiral* "What happened to Growth Spiral?"
Seth really pushing his luck getting coal this xmas with these decks recently
this video brings back the nightmare
I don't remember the last time I built this many seth played decks in a week, let alone decks in general, timeless kicks ass
All these broken cards were printed within 3 years of each other (and that's only because Nexus of Fate was printed in 2018). What a horrendous stretch for R&D.
you are missing fogs in turbo fog deck. oko out one ring in. but the best card in the deck is tamiyo cant discard or sack and look nexus of fates really well
You forgot to add land destruction. That'll make it more fair.
Also is impossible to play in paper without the auto shuffler😅
23:23 why wouldn't you cast nexus here?
Me seeing people say Field of the Dead isn't good enough for timeless: "You're not just wrong, you're stupid!"
I quit playing mtg when my nexus deck got banned because i had no wildcards to build anything new... Time to come back
6:40 You shuffled it away when you casted nexus of fate