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- George Stephanopoulos discusses the new cultural flashpoint with professors Leah Wright Rigueur and Glenn Loury.
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Thanks for giving Glenn Loury a platform
Really ? He sells his race out with BS a arguments and doesn’t want to talk about race …. Are you serious …. Go learn history dummy
"Sells his race out" Get a grip
@@stephdrake2521 The precursor to racism is the categorization of groups into races. Glenn is incredibly smart by emphasizing the American category to which we belong to.
@@stephdrake2521 “Sells his race out.” Sounds like you’re being brainwashed by CNN. Black intellectuals like Glen Loury, Ayishat Akanbi, Thomas Sowell, John McWhorter, John Wood, Coleman Hughes, Kmele Foster, and Chloe Valdary are the leaders that will bring about the change our world needs. 🙏🏽
@@stephdrake2521 you’re a joke
I love that this conversation was about professionals debating the actual theory and implementation of it in a practical way. This is as opposed to unqualified people shouting propaganda without getting into any level of nuance. This is how news should be!
I don’t expect Americans to be able to comprehend racism in the modern days , kids today think racism is part of cancel culture or a political campaign
@@JaySantanaofficial "Fighting racism" has often been used as a bludgeon and pretext for things that are nothing of the sort.
They missed the entire point about what the Democrat party has done to African American for 100 years. You obviously don't know and have bought the BS
Did you learn anything though?
@@wades9327 says a guy just yapping from an imaginary high horse to demean the writer without offering any argument.
Martin luther king said himself that he "felt he had led his people into a burning house".
Glenn is the man. Been watching his podcast for years.
Glen is knowingly not telling the truth. Both Mexico and the UK ended slavery before the United States. Slavery was actually going on in the United at the time of the outbreak of World War II. Read US attorney General Circular 3591 dating 12/14/1941 asking US attorneys to prosecute continued slavery. My grandfather was Director of Negro Labor for the State of Florida during WW1. His job was to investigate continued slavery. Slavery did not end in 1865. That is an American myth. A simple Google search will prove the truth of what I am saying.
@@JohnArmwood and where was this slavery taking place in the United States?
@@JohnArmwood what the hell are you talking about?
@wolfman02 HAaaaa. I laughed when he said that right after downplaying how uniquely American chattel slavery was. He furthered embarrassed himself by quoting King, as conservatives do, only to be draw a fuller picture of King and walk it back. Dr. Loury is a smart fool.
@@JohnArmwood White slavery was not ended until 1904. International Agreement for the Suppression of the White Slave Traffic, signed at Paris on 18 May 1904.
The United States is breaking apart on racial, cultural and religious lines and the mainstream media are accelerating the process.
If the media are controlled by the people in power ... and their playbook is divide and conquer ... then ... the media's job is to make sure divisions are enhanced, dramatized and never reconciled.
Meanwhile ... the real root of the problem is economic inequality which is rarely addressed.
Media intends to divide us ... and fan the flames ... always.
@Newbuild Muse Yeah China is very welcoming to people of all races and religions. When did the CCP take over the media in the United States and pit citizens against each other? Seems like CCP lies and propaganda is working well.
Journalism is the first draft of history. from Philip L. Graham
@@QTEPYE Where the press is free and every man able to read,all is safe. : Thomas Jefferson... We now have a controlled and censored media. This is not a free press and and it appears the media has been hijacked and taken over by multi national corporations. The media has been infiltrated by everything from the Chinese Communist party to the owners of huge global corporations.
@Newbuild Muse lmao we have a CCP apologist (most likely paid to be one) trying to tell people their genocide in Xinjiang is no different from different political parties in the US talking about CRT
Native Americans are watching this in disbelief
They are also included in CRT dummy
@@stephdrake2521 yeah it's always " white man bad" I'm native and I get it. We were screwed over by the federal government. But our tribes are plagued with drug and alcohol addiction. Along with self pity. We need to gather together to pull ourselves up
@@rickDArula Natives are still getting their land stolen from them and their rights trampled on, im in disbelif that you would think the solution isnt to educate the entire nation on how the system has failed them, but instead natives "coming together" is the answer. Ummm natives are already unified "together" but you cant fight USA power alone.
@@deepseadarew6012 have you been to the reservation? Most ofy people are constantly high as a kite or drunk to do anything. Food stamps and poverty is all we know. Even our tribal leaders are corrupt sometimes. America already knows the atrocities of natives. But don't speak on what is actually happening at the reservation
@@deepseadarew6012 natives are unified in complaining but not changing anything.
All I’m saying is teach real history. Definitely against children in elementary or middle school learning about it. There are ways to teach without shaming. Germans are an example. They get taught truth about the holocaust. Today’s generations know they aren’t at fault, they know it was their ancestors & they learn to prevent history from repeating itself
@wolfman02 CRT is just an ideology at the end of the day . The creators of the theory literally say that in their writings !
CRT isn't just history it's cultural Marxism.
@@Kick_Rocks so you want banned from being taught in college? 🤔
@@JohnSmith-iu3ui but no K-12 school in the United States is teaching CRT 🤷
@@Mr._Moderate also , I have a textbook of CRT with me at home ,and a lot of it (100%) does align with what’s going on in schools(and with BlackLivesMatter) as well e.g ‘whiteness’ , ‘white supremacy’ , ‘privilege’ , ‘model minority’ etc .
So please , don’t play this stupid game with me
More Glen Loury, a voice of reason in divisive times a true American treasure
@Roland NAAWP Fryer
How does it feel to be a gross, hateful person? Glenn’s way is the only path to advancement. Yours is the path to misery and never ending resentment.
@Roland NAAWP Fryer why do you think that is?
What makes Glenn different than you?
How can he can accomplish things and you can't?
@Roland NAAWP Fryer but there are disparities amongst all groups.
You realize not every white person is born rich, right?
What about Asians?
Why are black immigrants amongst the most successful immigrant groups?
@Roland NAAWP Fryer people dont have to be born with things handed to them to succeed.
No doubt it is easier the more you have, but not necessarily.
People are people, I'm not big on putting people into neat little boxes.
Life doesn't work that way.
@Roland NAAWP Fryer do you even know Lowrey's background?
As much as I dislike having to watch anything coming from mainstream media, e.g., ABC (but there was a time . . . I gladly watched Peter Jennings deliver news reports), I wholeheartedly appreciate ABC's reaching out to Glenn Loury.
He is a gem for the country - full stop.
He should be tapped by ANY administration for advice and wisdom on matters of race, society, and economics.
he's smart but a dumb person
@@devak18 let me guess: This is because he is not a victim right?? 🤔🤔🤔
@@mitchpeter5718 Because he offer empty words and no solution just like you. How is he different than bimbos in beauty pageants saying: " I hope for love and peace all of the word" Disney crap. Real problems need real solutions. So what your solution. We know Leroy solution doesn't have one and just wants to yap about it.
@@walan31I understand that criticism. Glenn isn't exactly a font of political policy advocacy. He mostly interrogates and criticizes the proposed solutions of others. It would be more helpful if he would provide a subsitute idea. If I may, though, I'd suggest that his ideas are probably to stay the course we've been on historically the past 60 years. A "colorblind" approach to law, economics, and society has produced a great diminishment in racist views over those years, so much so that the current antiracist initiative has been successful. Only a generation of people so terrified of the existence of racism could begin to analyze its presence on basic day-to-day unconscious occurrences. The fight against it has become "root and stem" targeting things like unintentional microaggressions rather than overt instances. Perhaps our pre-existing "colorblind" approach has been incredibly successful but we just haven't given it enough time to fully work it's way through society. That 'irrespective of race' approach hasn't hardly made it a full generation and we elected a black American to the highest office in the nation but now many are rejecting that approach to instead return to racial tribalism and an insistence that we all focus on our race as an important and essential aspect of our being.
@@walan31 Just “asking for a friend”...did you finish junior high?
"America is so racist" says black two term US President.
And look at all the crap he had to take from all the racist in America. And how long did it take us to get there? It took the Democrats getting us our first non-white president and now our first non-black non-male vice president.
The racism is strong in this country.
clearly you missed out on the racist backlash and protests to Obama being elected and also the last 4 years of trump that was essentially a white backlash
@@kaym7704 So USA isn't a racist country then.
@@kaym7704 Thats a big accomplishment, considering democrats were the party of slavery and the kkk.
@@Challerz Racist individuals, not a racist country.
Who's been attacking the asians lately?
"Where do we go from here?" -MLK
Good question, and the answer is what Glenn is proposing.
Where so we go from here. We treat people based on the content of their character instead of the color of their skin. Mlk
Glen did not propose anything, he just is afraid to upset any white people.
What you dummies miss is that MLK had concrete purpose and frameworks for understanding what the problems where and where to go. “Where do we go from here?” was a title, not that he was confused about how to figure it out or needed someone else to answer. A lot of that framework is embedded within ideas represented in critical race theory.
MLK intentionally talked about race and specific policy needed to improve for African Americans and all Americans. Glen Loury is softly suggesting what Obama stupidly said: “a rising tide lifts all boats.” CRT enables us to see and understand pirates that are plundering or sabotaging some of those boats. Also MLK in 1967 mentioned that the race problem won’t get better simply with time. You can infer that he wouldn’t agree with not talking about race and fixing “all of America” would address the race problem.
@@EbonySeraphim don't you dare insinuate mlk would support critical race theory. That is an insult to his memory, and you should be ashamed about putting your harmful rhetoric on his name.
@@EbonySeraphim if you could take a time machine to any time when race relations were better, when would that be?
No political indoctrination using tax dollars, period.
How is teaching history ACCURATELY political indoctrination?
@@jackblackens3173 that isn't accurate lmao
@Mastodon1976 depends which ones and typically no.
@Mastodon1976
I hope it hasn't taken you 45 years to realize you're an idiot.
You know, right?
....Right?
I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character--Martin Luther King, Jr.
Proponents of CRT glossing over that one and create a new breed of racists through "anti-racist" teachings.
Mr. Sowell also said that Democrats pushing the concept of systemic racism in the U.S. reminded him of the propaganda tactics of the Nazis
@@user-uj5zc6vx2k Who were the party of slavery and the kkk?--Democrats
@@dougsmith9261
Southern right wing conservatives, the "Dixiecrats".
Their descendants are right wing conservatives(as political philosophies change slowly over generations), and currently fly the confederate battle flag. They also make up the memberships in nearly all KKK factions.
What is the political affiliation of these people in the 21st century?
Here's a hint...it's not "democrat".
@@dougsmith9261 who in 2021 has one black senator - Republicans. Who has a diverse group of diverse senators. It’s right front of your face and you can’t see it
Finally....SANE people debating the issue.
I know! Stunning. Almost shocking.
Ironically what neither the academics or George Stephanopolis mentioned is that anti-intellectualism legislation (laws specifying what can and cannot be taught) means that conversations like this one could one day be illegal in certain states
Such laws would be defeated in the supreme court: under the first amendment, the government cannot legislate what. the free press says. They *can* ban what publicly-funded schools teach, though.
To be anti Intellectual, the CRT being banned would have to first be "intellectual." It's actually just a conspiracy theory. Or as a wiseguy might remark, an Africanspiracy Theory.
Absolutely
The real issue is class inequality.
This guy gets it
So you should support school choice.
@@Spyroh The guy won’t have to argue his point much longer. We’re well past the Rubicon now. They severely overplayed their hand. Next comes the actual battle. It could have been avoided.
These pseudo-intellectual ‘useful idiots’ won’t like that boot slammed into their ignorant faces by their communist minders. That’s coming. Don’t underestimate the rage building within us. We have the blood of conquerers in our veins.
These people are grievance peddlers. They are grown up children who are too immature to control their own emotions. They are actively looking for ways to be offended by arbitrary nonsense. Then when they find one, they demand the adult segment of the populous censor and moderate their own language in order to control their emotions FOR them.
“Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom.
*Congress have no power to disarm the militia.*
Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an 🇺🇸 American man 🇺🇸The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where It will always remain; in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people”
- William & Mary College Bill of Rights 1787
@Fook Yuu the real problem is genetically inherited.
@Fook Yuu Speaking of poverty and education...black people are not educated in socialism and communism in America. Critical Race Theory does not cover the history of socialism in black history and neither does a-critical white history in the lay out of American history, is a giant defect in the theory.
Literally, 100 years of communism in most countries in the world and the American public, black and white, are not competent in socialism. They are interested in it. Heard about it. But cannot explain or understand it. Americans do not know anything about all the changes that have happened in the socialist world since the Russian Revolution! I find this shocking. The American system of education has blocked out the American people from participating in this historic subject!
The subject teaches people how to act for themselves as a social class and without it, the exploitation people will experience by capitalism is an eternal suffering and yearning against the subjective and personal exploitation of giving and never receiving.
One person alone cannot bring justice into the world. Therefore, theory is of the utmost pre-eminent importance. The paradox the American people present as the first nation in all history that can create a true worker's democracy but cannot because it is educationally incompetent about socialism.
Poverty in education is to me the teaching of subjects as compartmentalized and bell driven, a form of mental exploitation the Department of Education in the US, together wth the monopolistic publishers, and the higher education academics, impose on young minds a form of indoctrination disguised as education in the subject area of social sciences. As if the Department of Education is the arm of the State department reinforcing anti-communism for the last 75 years.
The poverty is in the Mind. Compartmentalized education inculcates the mind with static, non-integrated, thinking, and conforms to capitalist manufacture and factory production in its routinization and standardization. Thus creating a proletariat subservient to capital and a class inequality I claim is the real issue but the root of that issue is poverty and education,---you are correct.
This will be a great historical tragedy to go down as the first and only nation that does not know what a worker's democracy and socialism are?
"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character" - MLK
True. However, I'm sure he didn't mean that until that day arrives, their experiences as racialized individuals growing up in a nation built on colonization and cultural genocide should be ignored.
He was a Black Marxist.
@@professionalspinner9292 How was it built on colonisation and cultural genocide? The US was nothing but a nation of farmers until the late 19th century. That's when the real building started.
It's a nation built on immigration from all over the world.
@@professionalspinner9292 He probably meant that with proper parenting, and a good education, they would escape the getto. People who live in good neighborhoods, and have good jobs, never give racism a second thought.
What do you think of his 'Where Do Were Go From Here' speech?
Dividing us for more power:
they speak of people in groups and use divisive language. But never individuals that should take personal responsibility & pursue character and values...
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America is a racist hellscape what is there left to divide?
Was there a time when we were all united? To my knowledge Americans have always been divided.
Personal agency
Its not about skin color. Its a spiritual battle. Good vs evil. Right vs wrong. Love vs hate. Anyone who keeps racism alive isn't on the side of love. What does living in the past do? Keeps people angry. That is the point. These powerful elites don't want us United. Wake up people. Overcome the past and let's live for today. Emotional vs logical.
“I don’t even consider your race as long as I can talk to you, play with you, laugh with you, cry with you, celebrate with you and grieve with you.”
That is obviously not true.
@@JohnArmwood how so?
That's the problem. People don't want to celebrate other people's differences.
I like your skin just not your culture
@@kipwonder2233 well my mother is still married to my father who is of a different race why would I be concerned about my daughter choosing someone from a different race?
That clip of Biden in the beginning is funny because Biden was friends with a known K K K grandmaster.
Yeah a lot of us don't like Biden either he can get this CRT smoke too 🤣
Joe Biden today show you that a man can grow and change, you do not have to be a racist all of your life.
@fksmine maybe…or maybe not… m.czcams.com/video/We6Qr9-dDn8/video.html
Six years ago I was a black conservative. But I ain't anymore.
Racism is taught at home. Kids aren't born racist.
Nope. Now there teaching it at school. Have you been paying attention?
It is certainly true that kids are not born racist. But a new form of racism is taught in schools and on CNN, MSNBC, Disney Channel, Nickelodeon, etc. It has been pushed by psuedo-intellectuals in education and praised by the News Media. I mean how much praise has been thrust upon the 1619 project; despite the documented inaccuracies within it. It was fact-checked before it was published and they still put it out and then praised it. Journalism is dead when almost all them vote the same way.
Don’t forget the public schools. They’re the biggest perpetrator in racist thought. Well, at least in states where CRT hasn’t been banned…yet.
Actually, children do have intrinsic racial bias. The white kid always picks the white doll.
@@JohnSmith-hs1hn that's not indication of a bias. The vast majority of all families around these kids are not mixed race. Most girls don't pick a doll as a friend but instead to pretend to be mommy to.
When it comes to items not chosen for this purpose such as Disney Princesses the black princess Tiana ranks high in priority for white girls as well as children of all races.
You are taking a fact and then communicating some idiot's interpretation of it. Don't do that.
I see most of y'all dont read or care about the truth
It is Said.... and a good point you make
What truth? That CRT is racist?
The truth is that there are biological differences between races.
@@brandonjones8774 how? WTF! How?
Never seen Glen before but he is right on! That's a cat that I could easily hang with.
Glenn is a legend. look him up on CZcams!
You're missing out. Glenn is a must.
Let’s divide students. Sounds great.
@Anti- B.S No I am Ibram Kendi.
@Anti- B.S nope!
How is the truth divisive? If you teach the full truth you'll still gain a lot of new American heroes.
@IndependentAF That’s just fake man. Your username is “Independent” yet here you are talking about “left wing extremism” and making (false) broad generalizations about liberals. Get outta here.
@IndependentAF First off, any person who feels the need to name themselves "IndependentAF" is probably NOT independentaf, and are instead just making a pretty transparent attempt to add legitimacy to their talking points. Calling yourself independent doesn’t make it true; that should be able to come across in your comments and reasoned opinions. But you're literally just throwing out all the best fox newsy and far conservative phrases and fear mongering hyperboles. Cmon bro.
100 years later when everyone is mixed they still be teaching this.
Mixed? Yeah i dont think so lol
@@johnsalchichon3605 Right now there is no American that has 100% African genes. You watch and see how black keep getting lighter and lighter in the next 50 years. Already u can see the difference between European whites and Americans. It’s just a matter of time.
@@bkit5 i mean i am cuban i took the ancestry test and apparently im only 2 percent from africa, some people like people from other races, but not everyone, i prefer to be with someone within my ethnic group
@@bkit5 That's because European immigrants US and their descendants mixed with each other. This is not something you see done as frequently in Europe.
I’m mixed and as soon as I read the definition I felt like I was an unnatural abomination. I felt so insulted. I still feel this way
You can agree with some points from both academics. That is called being an American!
Tragically, being an American means that an ignorant opinion is just as a valid as an informed opinion.
In respect to Mr Loury the advancements of people of color came with much resistance. You can’t be against a group and turn around and claim credit for the change.
Bingo!
As a black Moderate, Im done with all this. The question is, does CRT makes us better? Makes us grow and successful as a minority? No, it divides us. thats just my opinion..
@Michael Fortune don't ignore it, but do it in a way that brings us together. I argue this does not.
You should learn what CRT is, where's it actually being, and read some its decades discourse from those who wrote about it. If you did, you'd know how misguided your conclusion is.
I’m tired about hearing about race.
Get used to it
@@123456CBOY pure negativity
Because the US was,is and will always have race problems
@@bastianx8772 Not if we begin adding pink skin dye to breakfast cereal. Once everyone is the color of a pink poodle, we can all relax.
@@bastianx8772 Every place in the world has prejudice problems. It's part of the human condition. Just different from place to place because of regional history and current conditions.
Divide and conquer ... medias job is to enhance and highlight divisions ... men/women black/white muslim/christian east/west.
Social justice issues sooo important while it is economic justice we all need.
the 1% agenda is BINARY masses.
@Cruzn2Space and refuse to offer school vouchers
Media only reflects on what people are doing, and the efforts to resolve the issues (unless you are watching certain talking heads on Fox which have their own agenda). Discussing and studying where slavery was used and how it worked its way into society creates an understanding - not division as long as nobody played a blame game.
@@antifactoid "Media only reflects on what people are doing, and the efforts to resolve the issues"
The NFL is over 70% black. The NBA is over 90% black. People are spending billions to watch these sporting events. I doubt very seriously anyone considers these black athletes as "high class minstrels" on stage for the laughter of white folk.
If racism is so bad in this country, then why do they spend so much money to be in the audience? People are already "doing" it. They don't need the media to tell them what to do.
@@bromack3 So you are saying that because there are successful Black athletes and professionals, there cannot be any kind of racism, both blatant and subtle? You have not been paying attention to police and workplace discrimination issues over the years. How about the "Karens" that overreacted or lied about an encounter with a Black person? It has continuously gotten better, but that was only because people protested and sued to get it that way, and the media covered it.
This was such a good discussion. I wish more news was two people who may differ, but were cordial and well articulate.
The news won't get ratings by having two intellectuals from opposing viewpoints having a civilized conversation. They prefer to have less educated people spout out nonsense to draw in the less educated viewers and continue increasing their ratings. In much the same way social networks keep their users online with the same nonsense.
CNN and FOX NEWS are the total opposite
@Paul Kryder abc cbs will occasionally have deep thoughtful meaningful conversations stories albeit too short.
CNN FOX are propaganda networks
You mean two black people. Lol
@@user-sd5vh1mx5x Which is why I don't consider them NEWS stations. The last bastion of educational and neutral news, Chris Wallace, left FOX this week.
Both of the guests presented their viewpoints well. Civil conversation without name calling is something we all should do.
Fight racism with racism ? Insanity.
That’s pretty much affirmative action for collages, can’t have too much yellow
I really like the gentlemen guest
Hi, that's Glenn Loury and if you liked him here you should listen to the discussions he has with John McWorther.
@@pepisasa5232 thank you, I will check that out 😊
@wolfman02 I think what he meant was it was uniquely and initially codified in American law before it was anywhere else
You would, but I can assure you it is only because he is speaking that talking points that make you feel comfortable. It is because of that which makes him part of the problem. Oppressed peoples should not be in the business of making the members of the forced dominant culture feel justified and at ease for their beliefs and past/present transgressions. It is counterproductive to the members of the marginalized minority communities.
@@marionhope7506 he, like MLK, would like individuals to be jugded by their character and actions, not by the colour of thier skin. Is there something wrong with that?
Listening from England..this Glenn chap is an excellent speaker. His points are spot on
Glenn is fantastic. Has great ideas and ever better ways of delivering them.
Glenn's milquetoast points are rooted in a fantasy world, and he knows that. His vision of "colorblindness" when talking about issues sounds nice, but is not possible without addressing.
@Michael Shanahan In African, Michael, black people have companies too. You may also want to learn about post-colonialism and modern-colonialism before you evoke "Africa" as if it's a monolith with common shared and agreed upon history.
@@arontotheleft it's rooted in reality that he's lived. He's a successful and respected black academic. She's just beating the same nearly dead horse.
@@edwinamendelssohn5129 another dumb pale face yiu are
Balanced story, wish they were all like this.
A balanced story would be admitting that your grandfather should have been in prison
I still don't find this balances, for they are not including the #fact that CRT is fundamentally UNTRUE.
Look at the adults. Imagine how the kids will fight over it.
My kids tried to help people get to the polls this last election. Meanwhile I've seen plenty of adults doing the opposite. Kids are not their parents. When it comes to social issues, chances are things that are now still fought over won't be much of a big deal in half a century.
Children are not taught this but go on.
@John Smith so the children are taught to lie about being taught critical race theory? Your victimhood is very snowflakish. You need to get a job and make something out of yourself. Maybe go to a trade school.
@@raymondsweet4316 goddamn liar.
You have mischaracterized the issue. I understand that grade school kids are being divided as victimizers and victims based on race. Not healthy, and very different from teaching history.
that's what you understand based on what? FOX
@@pohakumana4288 Yes, Fox's coverage of parents, black and white and brown, complaining to their school boards about it and even filing lawsuits.
@@annprehn you do know FAUX is ENTERTAINMENT, Tucker's lawyer even claimed so in court.
You DO KNOW that ALL content on these videos are SCRIPYED and EDITED right? PROPAGANDA? You know what that is?
Like the History about Christopher Columbus 🤔
@@pohakumana4288 So have you read the critical race theory being taught in schools? If you have, please give me a link. I'm happy to concede and hope you're right. Meanwhile it's not just Fox reporting this. And mainstream media has been caught in lies itself going right back to weapons of mass destruction. Your trust is misplaced.
a decent debate. color me surprised! i wish it had been an hour long to flesh out more of the opinions. its what we truly need in this country. and please, more of glenn loury
They really just had two monologues for a few minutes lol
People should not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.
You are racist! 😂
That's it. Simple as that. People forget about MLK these days. Very sad.
That’s why critical race theory is so important.
Tell that to conservatives. Funny, how conservatives quote a person who they sought to kill when he was alive.
@@victorwilliams1304 he was murdered by the Democrats aka Dixiecrats 🤔
Only the political elders can have a non stop debate about teaching something the the kids have been learning online for the last three years.... Late as usual... In political circles it's been labeled political race theory... In the rest of the world it's called history, and the children are already learning it. The real reason why its a debate is because the kids know the truth, but the teachers keep wasting their time with half truths, hours of Benjamin Franklin stories, and calling it history. This is why the kids are giving their teachers the side eye.
We had Black History 50 years ago in HS.
@Jack Stefan good question.... Ask the Arabs and let me know what they said.
@Jack Stefan wow! Africa fought with the germans AND against the italians? Interesting... So the germans are currently paying africans friendship reparations? You should teach this to the world great one.
@Jack Stefan i like the way you disagree. Not being sarcastic... Your style is smooth and mature.. 👍
@Newbuild Muse China's not in danger? Then why is China running into Africa? Ohh i know.. To feed the children... Right?
I love how they ask people who are not conservatives to give us the perspective of conservatives.
@blank no he is not ....he is a democrat..
@blank did you even done your research ..or you are just doing like the leftist always do....projecting without substance... Ll l
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@blank "yep, he is a self described conservative. He says so as recently as his interview/discussion with Cornel West on Loury’s Bloggingheads channel. Check it out."
I believe Dr Loury is going to be appointed to the Hoover Institute. He will soon be following Dr. Thomas Sowell.
@@lintoppthomas There are conservative Demorats. And Prof. Loury actually seemed fairly centrist and pragmatic in his opinion.
@blank And Hitler was a self described artist.
Man, they did Glen dirty with the lighting. They must be blasting him. He has to squint so hard it's like his eyes are closed, and I almost have to squint from the reflection off his head. Get some better production ABC.
HAHA! Exactly! That lady looked fantastic but happened to be completely wrong. I've seen him many times but never in a real studio. I think I have seen him in all the shirts he has. I'll bet ppl nag him about it for a while and he will have a nice shirt and a powdered, non-shiny face.
Wow yall are worrying about the wrong things. You two must be like 10years old or adults with small brains. Glen is stating facts in a very intelligent way about a serious racial topic and yall worried about the shine on that man's head. Your parents must be proud.
@@Capt.Thrust Except he didn't state a single fact, only specious arguments. Can you point to one fact he stated?
@@Capt.Thrust they weren't focused solely on the lighting, but pointing out one of the dirty tricks quite often done in these settings to make one person appear professional and decent and the other person appear sickly and untrustworthy.
There are various ways that lighting effects can make the same person appear anywhere from charming and intelligent to stupid and sinister...
That was Glen own light in his own home, Zoom call.
Mr Loury once again defending reality,Go Mr Loury a true Giant.
I'm sorry did my opinion of Glenn Lourys intellect offend someone? No one should really care what think , it's my Opinion, and i dont care what anyone else thinks of my opinion.period , newsflash I love Thomas Sowell and Walter William's and Dave Chappelle also, now what does that tell u about me ? Nothing. GOD BLESS , OR AS SOME GET OFFENDED BY THAT , MAY AN UNVERIFIABLE ENTITY BLESS U, OR MAY U LIVE IN INTERESTING TIMES, GOTTA GO TO WORK NOW ,ONCE AGAIN MAY U ALL BE BLESSED .OUT
And that particular statement u take umbrage with Emancipation is uniquely American , should be Ammended , u are right , that's misleading , cos Emancipation has happened all over the world , Jews were emancipated , India was Emancipated, so Emancipation is not uniquely American , but the fact that the ruling classes went to war and killed each other over a third constituency is Uniquely American. EVEN A BRILLIANT PERSON WILL UTTER SOMETHING STUPID OVER THE COURSE OF THEIR LIFE AND CONVERSELY , A IGNORANT PERSON IF LEFT TO TALK LONG ENOUGH , WILL UTTER SOMETHING PROFOUND. THOMAS SOWELL
And u could also say they were Liberated and Emancipated
But hey I could be wrong , and CONVERSELY SO COULD EVERYONE ON THE PLANET.
Seems you win! No one is left!
I applaud this man, soft spoken but with supreme substance. Let’s stand for the righteous path, for the future!
You might enjoy Dr Glen Loury on his podcast.
Yes- his podcast & conversations w John McWhorter are gems czcams.com/users/Bloggingheads
@@kipwonder2233 sounds like you’re libtrd
God Bless América. Malcolm X said that there Is nothing a white person can do to help the black cause.
This is definitely true. Black people will need to look into themselves to overcome history. White people cannot solve the problem either by teaching critical race theory, reparations, or Juneteenth.
I liked a lot of things Malcolm X said...but this one I don't agree with. It sometimes takes a village to right a wrong.
There is a principal
which is proof against all information,
which is proof against all arguments,
which cannot fail to keep man in
everlasting ignorance;
that principal is -
Contempt prior to investigation !”
― HERBERT SPENCER
He also said the white liberal is the black mans biggest enemy. He was right.
@@rodneyadamshortnacy40 well the concepts of “ liberalism and conservatism “ have damn sure changed since The days of Malcom X BRUH and I am a Registered Republican who knows a 2 bit con from a f mile away.
A surprisingly good discussion, gives me hope for the news
I just watched this video and know nothing more than I did before I watched it. They are just talking in circles…
When people are divided by race or their skin color, it's racism.
Racism, regardless of the 'good intentions' is still racism.
If they want to teach something stop the division.
How about teaching character as Martin Luther King talked about.
But if they did that, they wouldn't be able to divide us.
What text book teaches this as a definition on racism?
Martin Luther King contributed to critical race theory
@@benwood4585 how so?
@@calmnrelaxed owl.purdue.edu/owl/subject_specific_writing/writing_in_literature/literary_theory_and_schools_of_criticism/critical_race_theory.html
@@benwood4585 it seems true.
The narrative is key. The end result of any discussion on race should be a more accurate understanding of American history and fighting against discriminatory policies. The goal should not result in legislation to create a perpetually protected class of people, an infantilization, essentially labeling us as damaged goods.
Well said, sir!
I agree with you on some of the things you said. What is the discriminatory policy that you're saying?
@@tyronekim3506 any policy with implicit bias, such as criminal justice, bank loans, housing, etc. To be more effective and not to pit one race against the other, it should be sold as fighting discrimination. Race is in the heart and it connotes evil intent. Many of the current biased practices and policies take root in proposals made generations ago, in a different climate. To ascribe nefarious intent to the current purveyors of those polices, solely because of their being in positions of authority is not only wrong, but counterproductive.
@@marcrankin1707 I disagree. Implicit bias is bias at an individual level, not at an institutional level. If there is racial bias or policy at an institutional level, there is remedy at law for that at state, federal and local level. There is no institutional racism. There is no systemic racism. There are individuals who are racists in of walks of life and in all work places.
Be safe and in good health.
@@tyronekim3506 I don’t think we disagree, just talking past one another as people often do. It’s not an all or nothing issue. Each individual is responsible for his or her own actions. At the same time, the culture of any organization is set at the top. If you take over ownership of an historic bank where there were predatory lending policies towards minorities for years, (eg. Wells Fargo) you as the CEO may not be racist, but if the programs in place are profitable, you won’t have any impetus to recognize the problem, let alone change policy. If you are promoted to chief of a police force where the state receives federal funding through a war-on-drug program that historically disproportionately targets the minority community, your inclination as a new leader is to prove to the rank-in-file police that you can man the ship and not rock the boat, again maintaining the status quo. In the aforementioned scenarios, you don’t have to attribute malicious intent on the leadership, rather bring to their attention the discriminatory policies.
Great discussion. As someone else in the comments mentioned,they should do a longer talk to get into more detail about this subject. I agree more with Glenn on this
Which points do you agree with most?
Well my children are being taught the real history of America at home and they ask more questions than ever. I love it!
What do you teach them?I recall watching a western after playing cowboys and Indians - as kids we didn't know any better, until my father simply explained that people from our country became Americans and took the Native North Americans' land. He did it in a sentence and it utterly changed my outlook.
@@pauldh62 I give them research information to look up on various ideas they are interested and have them explain it to me. Such as, the civil rights movement.
@@pauldh62 Did your dad also explain to whom the land “belonged” before being conquered by the Indians who were then in turn conquered by the Whites there? Because if not, isn’t that technically revisionist history?
@@eS-ql7vm I will answer your question as directly as I can. You have to bear in mind he was talking to a child of about five years, so he kept what he said brief and simple. He didn't, for instance, go into detail about how the Lakota came out of the woods and attacked the lands of the Pawnee and Chipowa. This is used by white people to justify the breaking of treaties and the near obliteration of Native North Americans, neither did he cite the various dubious challenges to the theory that America's native population, North and South, were derived from the Clovis people. This was partly owing to the fact as I said above, he had to keep it brief and simple, and also due to the fact that some of these theories were not about at the time. What was present at the time was a huge misunderstanding, propagated by Hollywood and later challenged by Marlon Brando, that Native North Americans, mistakenly referred to as Indians, were brutal savage attackers with no cause or justification for the desperate war they were fighting. If the Wehrmacht had successfully landed in England, do you think I would be preoccupied with the Battle of Hastings or dark ages Saxon raids on Romano Celts? Let's get a bit of perspective here.
@@pauldh62 you would be if you were interested in understanding your place in the broader context of history and not moving the goalposts to a place most convenient for political grandstanding, that’s for sure! Thank you for that oddly lecturing but ultimately informative take! If a 5 year old can understand one generation of conquest, he can understand two!
Teaching it is fine but there's too many teachers who jam their personal opinions into lessons with the subtlety of a train wreck.
There are also teachers that teach religion in public achools but that’s okay
@@ruffiovega6999 Um..No, it isn't.
By far the most sensible debate I've heard on this issue. Just 2 mature and education perspectives minus hyperemotional political rhetoric.
None of this matters 🤷♂️ what matters is the the truth and the truth is racism didn’t stop. You cant honestly expect me to believe that people who tried their hardest everyday to make blck peoples lives horrible just stopped one day. Racist people taught their kids racism and so on. The people who claim racism doesn’t exist are 50 plus years old and are the kids of the people who spit on MLK and celebrated his death
We should teach history in schools. It's simple really.
History doesn't matter the time you live in is the time that you survive in. Anything from the past other than technology is kind of stupid you're just walking yourself in a prison.
@@joebrewer4529 you learn from the past so you don't make the same mistakes I. The future. History truly does repeat itself.
@@joebrewer4529 the past shapes the present.
@@dbarker7794 yeah the present is now in the past so what have you done to change it? It doesn't matter who creates the information that you need. There is no exclusive group of people race or anything that has the end all be all answer.
Yeah they been doing that for decades. Long Before CRT was a thing.
Academics weave their opinions into most everything. History is in the past. It has already been written. If we cannot look at Native American history, Black American history and then learn from the mistakes then people are fools. However, blaming people will never work and will never get the point across. Teaching a history class is a lot more than reading what happened. It is understanding the how and the why, and not throwing the race card around because it is the flavor of the month. Teaching children is not lecturing them and saying this is how it is. It is a guided discussion and asking opinions of your students. It is not what most are trying to push. We will see people pulling their children out of public schools by the millions if this so called theory is allowed. Intelligent people want to learn, not be told they are the cause of someones problems because of their race. As adults we should know better. We all know what happened to Native Americans , Black Americans and even Asian Americans was terrible. White folks were also treated badly throughout history. No one was immune. If the United States is such a terrible place why stay? Do not feel badly because of who you are. It is up all of us to make this country a better place. It starts with you and your little two foot circle you control. Peace.
Racism is not dead, but it is on life support - kept alive by politicians, race hustlers and people who get a sense of superiority by denouncing others as “racists.”
-thomas sowell
Another voice to be revered. Hate for someone is taught. When you see, stand against it. When you hear it, call it out for the poison it is. And it's used to keep us divided.
@@TheDeecue... And that's America's history. Don't run, don't lie 🤥
... like Ohio Republicans who want opposing points of view taught about Slavery and the Holocaust.
Damn them all 👍
@@Mr._Moderate I'm not sure what you mean. Are you suggesting that I'm running from something or lying about something?
@@TheDeecue
1. How would Thomas Sowell know racism is on life support?
2. Sowell is being revered for the same nonsense Morgan Freeman said "don't talk about racism and it will go away"
That is a lie that people run 🏃 from 👍
Since when did hard work in manufacturing, science, medicine, engineering, and sports to set higher standards for all Americans become racist?
When some couldn’t keep up and achieved poorly in math, science, reading etc. And when those who couldn’t achieve were more likely, statistically atleast, one race or another.
"hard work in manufacturing" = exploitation of other people's work, and active obstruction from opportunity for numerous marginalized populations
You're the type to call slave owners "entrepreneurs" or "self made".
You should search for a booklet funded by of course, Bill Gates, that is made for teachers because now math is racist. I read through some of it & it turned my stomach. Basically it says black children are too stupid to learn math & its racist to expect them to pay attention & do their homework.
@@Parrotgirl-Tattoo can you send any links or references to the booklet ?
@@christopherhendrix4181 simple Google search math is racist will get your answers. Dont let others control you. Do your own research if you care.
They did not actually discuss or explain critical race theory, which is where the confusion comes from.
Dr Loury I firmly respect your insight and listen to the Glenn show weekly. So happy to see your insights on this platform. You Sir as a thinker have my ultimate respect. You impart your wisdom on me each week and I thank you for the education.
❤
Glenn is 100% right. There's an appetite for the kind unity he's talking about. I know there is. We make a better society by coming together.
Let's unify by ignoring history & how it effects people's lives today. Fantastic idea.
@@fdub301 We shouldn't ignore history or dwell too much on it.
@Rob Spencer What's BS, for example?
@chaotic neutral Or maybe they want people to wake up to realize that while we have progressed, we are not at the place we could be and we still have a long way to go. The amount of hatred that exists and groups that exist reminds me of the 60's. Would this not indicate that the hatred never really left and was simply simmering under the surface?
Wouldn't it be great to understand why people hated someone else who didn't do anything to them and wishes no ill-will upon them (regardless of what Ted Cruz says)?
Where does it say "they actually argue that people alive today are responsible for what their long dead ancestors did"? Seriously, where is that being taught? Please don't reference some fear mongering politician, that doesn't count. Perhaps it's in some online courseware? Someone saying so doesn't count either.
@chaotic neutral Even the language of the wage gap is a bit odd to me. There are all sorts of wage gaps. Whites are not at the top in wages. Asians have the highest wages in this country, more than whites. And there are wage gaps between black people of different ethnic backgrounds, just as there are for whites. There's a probably a sizeable wage gap between Jewish white people and non-Jewish white people.
How about teaching real American history. The major problem, each state teaches a redacted history of there state. There history books leave out many truths or they forget to include when writing them. We need truthful history taught.
I'm a 15-year-old black male teen and I understand the mindset of many of you rightest you think there's little or no problems with race unless you yourself are racist and equalities the issue. one out of these two is correct equalities the issue, yes but when you have the opportunity to move PRIVATE schools because of something a teacher said you didn't like that is a privilege, and no I'm neither Left nor Right but of course, I'll have to vote for the sake of my life and open-minded citizens. and having these separations Left, Right, Black, White is part of the problem. and black lives matter doesn't mean only people of melanization tent but oppressed individuals and if "minorities" aren't oppressed then why are there so many melanized people trying to be in the entertainment industries and not business not by choice but by history and lack of better mindset and options and this is a poor example compared to the reason why there's so much dysfunction in minority communities is because of privilege aka lighter-skinned individuals getting jobs in times when times were there worst in American that's how these low-income societies came, about instead of downing the school's system how about downing the economical system just-food for thought.
Great points on both sides. Agree with Glen’s last statements
You should look up “false equivalence”.
The interview started wrong. ”How would you define critical race theory?" It is already defined; it is a theory that states what it states. The problem is that people are extracting what they want from it, leaving behind how contradictory and racist is the rest of its content. At this point, please go and read it and then get to a conclusion. That is what I did, and trust me when I said it is very unsettling if we take this theory for granted.
The biggest problem is it starts with a premise taken from Karl Marx and Antonio Gramsci's ideas on cultural marxism. At what point do we start saying no to all this "forced" education from any group that has a "grievance." The feminist, the gays, asians, the native americans etc...
Mao of China took the approach of cultural marxism by using political correctness. Basically, young children were told to tell government officials on even there parents if parents weren't in line with the government thought process.
@@bromack3 You are right; this is the same divisionist argument totalitarians make. They put themselves in a moral superiority that disqualifies any contrary opinion. You don't get communism because you are not a communist. Now, you don't get CRT because you are not black. WTF????
What’s hilarious is that leftists are accusing conservatives of not being educated on the source material, when they themselves get their “education” from other news outlets and celebrities whom they deem authoritative.
@@hassanarteaga3030 yes because most black people wants white people to know what they go through when they try to do different things. Like most of white people see black people as criminals and uneducated which is wrong. There are still documents of racist laws until today even the damn bank redlines the black neighbourhood diverting investors away from them and refusing to give people loans that lives in that redline that's systematic gerrymandering votes that's systematic too. A guy spends 40 years in prison just to be found innocent and they can't release him because of a law that prevents minorities of being cleared from false accusations he is in a wheelchair aswell. So let's stop pretending that our grandparents didn't design a racist system to benefit white folks
So you are ok with the postulate that every black person is oppressed and every white person is an oppressor? A black dude raised me; he is my father in every therm except for the biological. If I tell him this, he will smash my head against a table and call me racist. Because this is what this theory is, RACIST. It is putting a tag on people based on the color of their skin. It is not about teaching history; it is about teaching that terrible idea that your skin color defines your character and your future. You are talking about banks and loans, and it doesn't make sense. You are telling me that a banker does not want to make money? Do you think a black individual with a good credit score won't get a loan from any bank? Don't you think that money acts based on profit? Would you risk your money in a black community where businesses failed to thrive? If we make every argument a racist one, we are f...d up as a country. We need to empower minority communities by breaking with the victim mentality, which almost always justified walking on the wrong side of the law instead of walking a successful path. Look at the jews; strive for that. I surely do.
Disclaimer: I am a Latino guy that has suffered from racist jerks, and some of them were blacks.
Biden talks about Klan membership, doesn't mention Robert Byrd...
The same Robert Byrd that called being in the KKK as "the greatest mistake I ever made"?
Maybe he wasn't mentioned like it's not mentioned that most KKK member, in the 21st century, are Republicans and independents, who are right wing conservatives and libertarians.
Weird....
It's also odd, that in 2021, it's Republicans and conservatives flying the Confederate battle flag, and whining about statues being torn down....speaking of their "heritage"....as though it was...their ancestors that started the KKK and the confederacy.
@@DayneAW : ...Byrd used the phrase "white niggers" as late as the H.W. Bush presidency...*on television*.
Any negative comments he made regarding his time in the Klan didn't even come when he began his career as a federal representative (saying in 1964 he would "never fight...with a Negro by my side" and filibustered the 1964 Civil Rights Act for *14 hours*.)
Apologies and excuses would *never* be made for Byrd if he had not been a Democrat.
As far as 21st century "KKK member", just how many Klansman in the US do you think there are?
@@DayneAW You're a dope. Some people might actually thing that history should be preserved, both the good and the bad- So we can remember things like, yes, it was DEMOCRATS that started the whole KKK and segregation movements. (And don't even start with that nonsense about "the big switch".) Why do you think leftists want all historical references to the civil war removed? All part of erasing their malevolent past... Next comes the book burning by the way... Well, books don't get burned these days, they just get banned. (oh wait, that's already happening.) Now all you have to do is start goose-stepping around and locking up political dissidents..(oh wait, that's actually happening too...)
Way better discussion than the disaster that Joy Reid hosted with Chris Rufo.
Just came from that and you are exactly right.
Joy Reid is a VERY HATEFUL person and really needs some of the racial tolerance training they are cramming down employees!!
The one thing we all see with many of the FAR LEFT DEMOCRATS of color that obtain power positions in our Government, and if you look around there are now a great many minorities and women in our government even beyond the percentages of population!
Joy Reid and Maxine Waters are very hateful people. You can see it in the way they treat people and their approach to politics. If America is NOW such a bad, racist place how did these people get into these powerful positions!!
I LOVE TIM SCOTT and CANDACE OWENS and I would dearly love to see a Tim Scott President and Candace Vice Presidency!!!
God Bless America ....
Let's keep CRITICAL RACE THEORY out of schools...
Junteenth is substantive? She thinks declaring a holiday is substantive?
people should know freedom day, as important as the founding, what dont you get?
@@ricodelavega4511 Clown, people should know "freedom day." (but we would need freedom first) Offering a symbolic gesture is not really offering anything. It does keep people complacent for a little bit longer though. There is alot you don't get.
What can I do that a black person cant today please tell me ?
@IM COMIN 4 DAT BOOTY what privilege do I have that blacks don’t ?
@IM COMIN 4 DAT BOOTY more whites shot by police than blacks where’s the privilege ?
@IM COMIN 4 DAT BOOTY look at the statistics and learn to spell
@IM COMIN 4 DAT BOOTY thanks for proving my point
@IM COMIN 4 DAT BOOTY google is your friend.
Go Glen! Thank you for being alive to speak for Americans.
I am an American. He didn't speak for me. I disagree with him often. But I am an American.
@@dougdoesall He's a grown man and nothing has held him down. Very passionate man.
You whytes like anyone who doesn’t condemn you for all the things you’ve done 🤦♂️
@@zazasnruntz7505 man I'm black and color shouldn't matter, going to race is always our default stance - is bull
@@markm5412 You haven't done enough reading about your own history then.
It's all good though. Keep working towards your "Master's" Degree. You're being indoctrinated well. The Imperial Wizards are proud of you, boy.
Critical race theory is not taught in k thru 12 so what exactly are we talking about?
Dialogue like this would give credibility to it’s sponsors and show a sincere effort in uniting Americans. I would watch more often too 😊
"Thank you for that illuminating discussion." Ooh, boy...ABC News considers that eight minute soundbyte an "illuminating discussion." It's troubling to think about how many people are unaware of legacy media's head in the sand regarding it's fast approaching irrelevancy.
Put down the Kendi book .....Pick up a Loury one, and feel yourself getting smarter as you turn the pages ✌🏻
Kendi is a tenth-rate dip-s***.
Watch the Glenn and John Show on Blogginheads or wherever it is now.
Really??!! Glenn Loury and John McWhorter are really sad excuses for professors and academics.
@@leronharrison1110 On what grounds do you make this judgement?
@@galanis38 First off, Leah Wright Rigueur explains where CRT is located in the academy and the first thing that Glen Loury comes back with is "I think the definition is fine as far as it goes." The most roundabout expression of nothing. Either she defined it correctly or she didn't; don't play this passe game. Then both Loury and McWhorter have never read an ounce of nationalist theory; if they had, they would understand that national history is a bifurcated and bifurcating act. It brings things together to promote the nation-state as an imagined community that sees everyone as part of the community, but it pushes away the historical elements that undermine and challenge that history. And when you start to look that those marginalized elements you can't help but rethink the history. Neither Loury nor McWhorter are historians and seems to not had to have study history in their exams by the way they talk. That's what makes them sad excuses for professors and academics.
Surely Leah does not see herself as a victim, oppressed, or treated badly in any way. She is a beautiful, smart, strong professor at Brandies University.
Did you not listen to her at all? She just wants Americans to understand the underlying causes of inequalities in this society. She doesn't view herself as a a victim.
We need at least voice like Loury, when we line mainstream black experts to discuss black problems. Its only the democratic thing to do. Varying view points.
Thank you, Mr Glenn: wise words.
No, ignorant words. They just happen to fit your narrative and that's okay with you. Be transparent about yours'.
Talks about Slavery was everywhere in the past era.
But like Segregation was a thing in the 1950s, Centuries after Slavery?
Pale face bastard
Glenn is spot on.. you can't move past racism if you are fixated on racism...
you can't teach people to see the world in color by making them watch back and white videos.
But teaching people a whitewashed, sanitized version of history that largely ignores the black experience isn’t the solution either. It would be great if we lived in a society where race hasn’t or still doesn’t matter, but it does. And teaching people about that is important for progress.
I agree ….. they don’t want to learn the real history ……. That’s the problem ….. whites feeling guilty but imagine black and brown folks living through racism and how they feel to this day …. Crazy
@UCCOgJI10lmtSH13xDst60PA comparing America’s complex racial history to the coloring on film lenses is ridiculous. Like, I get the point you’re trying to make, but it’s still ridiculous.
It still sound like you’re trying to sanitize America’s history. America has, historically
categorized people and treated people differently based on their perceived race. Its just simply part of our reality, and it still sounds like you’re trying to avoid conversations about it. All your colored lens talk sounds nice, but what specifically are you proposing we do instead when it comes to teaching and analyzing America’s racial history?
All these people who are upset about CTR how do they think African Americans felt during segregation and having their opportunities limited, or living with the threat of violence on a daily basis and getting no protection from the law.
Writing from Britain 🇬🇧.
Glenn made it to ABC? Spectacular. 🙌
Glen, great points. This is how the issue should ne addressed and taught in this manner. Its the narrative that can cause an increase in hate.
Disagree
Hate is in the DNA of America. Mention black progress and watch their blood boil. We say Affirmative Action. They scream reverse discrimination. We say black lives matter. They say all lives matter. That's as far as we get.And when we started burning some crap down, then they ask what's wrong with the blacks?
@@josephwheeler6674 I hear you but I think it's wrong to teach children they have privilege due to their skin color. We teach children how to view their world and how they are viewed in it. I am all for teaching American history to include the truth of racism and the great accomplishments of all minorites in America.
Its not okay to tell minority children you are inferior because majority children have privilege which will always put them ahead. Both narratives discuss racism and the effects. One proposes greater division while the other speaks to historical events past and present.
Empowering our countries minority children is not to tell them how oppressed they are. But rather how powerful they are because of how far "we" as a people have come in response to it.
@@Vivacious_Chaos well you opt for the status quo. So future generations of blacks must keep marching and protesting against police brutality, discriminations in home loans etc.
@@Vivacious_Chaos
I wish america is honest about race. The right are still creating a false narrative about America. Look at the Confederate flags. That is not america.
I don't know.
The thing that made me uneasy about CRT is when I started hearing this “Anti-Racist” term. Referring to the argument that in order to correct past racism we need to practice current racism to balance it out. This is a very slippery slope
@@raymondsweet4316 I don’t watch right wing news so I wouldn’t know. And i know the term may not be in the actual literature but they way I see it the term derived from the ideology, which lately, I have been reading a lot about. Doesn’t racism make you uncomfortable as well or are you just fine with it?
And a slope yiu will not find yourself on unless you choose the course as a law student and as an ELECTIVE. Republicans are using this to gear up their base and fire up their racial fears and subconscious desires for supremacy. This is not taught anywhere the typical person would find themselves. Like the boogie man is not under everybody's bed.
Jurisprudent from Germany here. I personally think CRT is absolutely horrible.
It works under the assumption that racist laws in the past still have an effect on today's generations. Which isn't wrong. Obviously stuff like "red lining" seriously dispossessed black people and influenced the wealth of future generations as well.
But instead of acknowledging that by adhering to equality in the face of law and by making law that doesn't look at arbitrary categories like race or sexual orientations we will reach (and already have reached) equality of opportunity for the individual they want equality of outcome NOW. Again, fair enough. Perfectly reasonable on first sight.
But here's what's bothering me with this: to achieve this the theory suggests that law that doesn't make race a central point is unjust. Because law has to rectify those wrongs of the past. So they suggest to make racial based law again. Which is reinstating legal racism. By definition. It's absolute nonsense. Why can't we acknowledge that we already have a neutral legal system now, a system that ensures equality of opportunity? Why don't we let this play out for a couple of more generations to see where this leads towards? I don't get it. This theory is throwing the achievement of having a non racial based legal system over board again, therefore degressing. It's a very, very bad idea. There is a reason that lady Justice has a blindfold.
In Germany we face the same line of thinking when it comes to women. It's also based on the same logical fallacies. You can't break basic legal principles to generate some form of compensatory justice for past wrongs. This will make everything infinitely worse. What law has to do is ensuring equality of opportunity and then let things play out. That's the best and only thing it can do without becoming tyrannical and inherently unjust again.
Anyways, my two cents regarding this. If anyone bothers to read this let me know what you guys think about this and if I got anything wrong. Have a nice one guys!
Let me add this:
A former German judge of the Supreme Court (Boeckenfoerde) has made a very famous statement that roughly translates to:
"The free secular state has necessities for it to exist and prevail that it itself can't provide or enforce."
What he meant by it is that a democratic state under the rule of law can't force people to uphold certain values and can't force people to have a healthy societal dialogue. That's the responsibility of the people themselves. Because the moment the state tries to enforce stuff like this per law it becomes authoritarian therefore abolishing itself. It can't be a free democratic state under the rule of law AND enforce the people to think a certain way and to uphold certain values. It's a Paradoxon in some way.
I think the same is true for the whole CRT thing. You can't reach a fair and just legal system by giving up being neutral and fair regardless of race or any other arbitrary category. The moment you do this the law becomes tyrannical.
@@mommolette3607 you are absolutely right that in the mainstream discourse about it it gets inflated with absurd "woke" concepts to conveniently debunk it. Which is intellectually dishonest.
Studying about all those who gave up their lives fighting against slavery and being grateful for their contribution should be a major part of our history.
Then why don’t your fellow Texans actually teach that? Huh?
"Studying the [Native Holocaust] should be a major part of history"
Let's talk about the hundreds of Millions of slaves that were beaten, raped, murdered. A people who had their traditions, heritage, language taken from. For the 300+ years of White folk getting free labor...
@@zapatavive1801 Native American’s owned slaves too
@@bradadult2075 weak deflective scapegoat response, colonizers brought chattel slavey here and those u speak of claimed white ancestry and were impelled
That is Merton P. Stoltz Professor of the Social Sciences and Professor of Economics at Brown University, George! Get it correct! ;P
Glenn Loury is one of the smartest men living today. I'm shocked ABC even let me talk.
Im glad Loury got the last word.
Me too, because what he was expressing just ain't going to happen in this U.S.; too much racism germinated with greed.
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Critical race is not about race. It is clash of social norms that separates based on culture, not race.
I guess we have to fight really really hard to make sure we don't learn a balanced reading of history. If we have to hide certain facts there may be something worth investigating.
Here on ABC news are two black scholars - debating an issue in front of all of America - And one of them says we can only fix this country by studying the inequity of the past. It is so very ironic!
Which one says we shouldn’t?
@@begshallots Make a point troll.
Happening to see two smart black people debate and issue doesn't negate the inequity of black people as a whole. You are using the wrong vocabulary. If you change "fixing America" to "make America a better place it changes the whole negative connotation. We should always strive for a More Perfect Union and we should always strive to make America better.
@@joeb134 As I said IRONIC. When all you see is the problem the solution remains hidden from you; Even once realized. If your "cause" is X, and that is what gives your life meaning, when do you decide your work is done? I didn't "happen to see" two black people. Two black people were selected by the institution and given the respect and time of one of the biggest stages in the world to discuss (not debate) their concerns. The problem was literally that black people did not have a voice. I think the work is mostly done.
As an old, white guy, I feel CRT is a valuable tool for understanding our history and moving America towards our highest ideals.
As an old white woman...I agree!
As a middle aged white guy you're both wrong. The black man made the better argument
@@rodneyadamshortnacy40 Well at least we are willing to not deny you your opinion. Even if we don't agree with it. Now did that hurt so much? Not everything or everyone has to be right or wrong...black or white. They can simply be different!
If more mainstream news was like this, I'd actually watch it.
I am surprised MSM even put another voice to this matter. good job
Right??
7:00 I think Leah has it right. Some things they said would have to be unpacked or explained, though.
word sald for a contemporary media short clip, she says yes MLK was correct BUT... theres no BUT MLKs statement in context was a discussion about there is always work that needs to be done, if you read Leahs work you will see the #REGRESSIVE thoughts she teaches.. Glenn understands the narrative being painted by CRT is the issue
Glenn is a true patriot
can you give us an example of a "racist" law in america?
do we really need a race discussion in schools??
Glenn Loury clearly won this arguement.......It seems like what America is experiencing right now is more of a generational issue than an racial one......The older folks get it, the younger ones haven't yet......
Glenn Lowry only fired the talking points you like. It was obvious that he didn't grasp CRT at all. As you..
@@felixndayisdebologne9725 no, he understands it quite well.
@@Lurch685 It seems that the only idea you have about CRT is what FOx fed you.
@@felixndayisdebologne9725 saying “hurhurhur Fox News hurhurhur” does not constitute an argument, sparky.
For the first time both sides and very valid arguments very collegial and intelligent discussion on this topic
I'm liberal an while I believe clearly that CRT is obviously historical true, I'm also a person who doesn't like government deciding an forcing to teach our children things that so many parents are against even if those parents are on the other side politically. This also goes for sex Ed, it should be up to the parents. I wanted my son to learn these things but I wanted him to learn about it from me and he did. So while I don't have an issue with schools teaching it, I do have a problem with it being taught if so many parents are against it cause we pay the schools and this isn't north Korea.
It's easy to agree with both of these people. This wasn't a conversation about CRT, though.