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Kizer makes the knives for then. I'm very surprised that you had a QC issue. Kizer has deff got the high quality budget knife with great QC down to a science.
Man that’s crazy
Idk, Kizers QC is has always been hit and miss
I can't help but like the design. The shape is really nice. Sad about all the problems.
I like mine just fine. The raised liners don’t bother me and my lock up is 50% in the correct way 🤘🏻 I also have the Drever from Olight and it’s a much different knife.
In all fairness, Fenix branched off into knives and gave us Ruike, so, it CAN work.
My Beagle locks up with the lock bar fully engaged but right on the beginning of the lock face.
Yep, same here. Rock solid lockup too.
Your problem with the liner lock not adequately engaging the tang, leaving the knife not fully locked, happened to me. I bought an Alliance Designs Bangarang on the secondary market in mist condition, except the lock barely engaged the tang. If I let it lock gently, i.e. by opening it by hand, rather than flicking it open, it would click, and seem to be locked, but only the very corner of the lock engaged the tang. Wiggle the blade a little, and it would come unlocked. It is currently with AD for warrantee service. They were very nice about taking it in for service, so I have no complaints so far. Perfection can be elusive (but it’s sometimes possible)!
Learned something new today: 154cm was produced in the 1970s by Crucible for jet engine turbine components. 🤔
Nice, I feel like I do remember reading that somewhere very interesting.
OKnifes are designed and made by Kizer. Scales smaller than liners is called shadow boxing, comfortable or not that design style is quite popular now with many makers.
They have perfect drop shut action as with all Kizers. Shame about the lock. I hard use mine with no problems though I agree it’s a bit thick behind the edge.
Man, you got a lemon Beagle. I've been rough on mine for a couple months and still zero blade play, perfectly centered, perfect lockup. I love it.
I love mine as well I also own the Zilla they are both good knives they are made by Kizer from what I understand
Same here..
I don’t like exposed, protruding, “shadowbox” liners either, but not because I think they’re uncomfortable. I don’t like them mostly because they remind me of all the cheap, dime-store pocket knives I knew as a kid. I always think “cheap” when I see them, which is not to say I always hate them. There are knives with that kind of liners that I like, in which the liners effectively contribute to the design, but in most cases I prefer the liners, which are mostly utilitarian, to be “nested,” i.e. set into the inner faces the scales and so be mostly invisible. Such scales may then be made of beautiful but less structural decorative materials. The liners provide most of the structure in many cases, but in most cases, it is best they do their job unseen.
I own this knife & the Zilla & I love them both they are made by Kizer from what I understand but I could be wrong on that I think you might have got a lemon
Dude, didn't you know Kizer makes Oknife for Olight. You can even see a lot of their design and materials in their models. 👍
Love the profile of the blade , but safety and comfort above looks , def love o lights got like 8 of them .
A realistic review.
Which is refreshing, since we only get the "good reviews" of most products.
Keep up the great work !!!
I've got both the beagle and the zilla I can pretty confidently tell you you got a MAJOR fluke neither knife have either of these issues. Tbf unfortunately the zilla does only come in g10 so far
Olight is a no go in every point.
Absolutely! I guess they pay well because most gear reviewers shill them at every point they can.
I just ordered this knife yesterday morning and am going to immediately return it when I receive it. I wish I would have seen this video yesterday but I was at work.
Thanks Aaron for the review. Yeah I'll have to pass and wait on the YETI pocket knife.
Ha ha ha! That blade will be a quarter inch thick blade and weigh a pound
Thanks for the heads up on the knife
Great video keep them coming!!!
I have the OKnife Splint, Drever, and the Beagle. of the three, the Splint is the only one that sees any time in my EDC rotation.
So...I have the Drever, Mini Drever, Parrot, Beagle, Ratel, Rubato, Nightclaw, and Splint (and I have a Zilla & a Freeze 2 Cu on the way). I also plan on getting their Fortitude fixed blade knife once that one goes on sale as well (normal price of $89.99 seems a tad steep to me for a D2 blade).
Blade steels are very subjective and a matter of personal taste, as long as you know what things certain steels are and are not good for, their strengths/limitations. The raised liners on the Beagle is also a matter of personal preference, and I personally didn't even notice it on mine until watching this video, meaning it is not uncomfortable to me & did not draw attention to itself in any sort of negative way. The thing I dislike about my Beagle the most is the fact that it does not have a flipper tab in addition to the thumb stud the way the Drever does. On the Drever, I use both simultaneously to really get a good, solid flip with basically no effort (tab to break detent tension, thumb to activate the flip), whereas with the Beagle, the detent is ever so slightly too hard to overcome completely comfortably with it having only the thumb stud to use...*extremely* minor niggle, though.
Putting all that minor subjective stuff aside, the most important thing brought up in this video is the liner lock issue on the Beagle. I know you're only reporting what you yourself have seen with the one you had your hands on, but the one that I own (purchased Nov 24, 2021) has no such issue, so maybe yours was just in a bad batch, or maybe even a one-off QC issue? The entire width of the liner lock on mine engages on the blade, and covers 1/2 of the width of the blade. The only way it would be a stronger lock is if it were perfectly centered on the with of the blade itself (which would make disengagement more of a struggle). In fact, out of all the OKnives I already own, the one with the "worst" liner lock is the Splint, which still engages 75% of the liner lock on the blade. All the rest engage between 80% - 100%, with the exception of the Rubato (which uses a rail lock), and the Nightclaw (which uses a button lock). So basically, I have no trust issues with any of the 8 OKnives I already own, and don't expect there to be any such issues on the two I have inbound.
I enjoy all of m OKnives and think that when purchased while on sale, they're an extremely great value...and I'd hate to see them get a black eye for what could literally be a one-off problem (the liner lock issue) without having had a chance to make things right first. I don't care how big a company is, a company is still made up of people...and well...s#!t happens sometimes. It's how effectively they clean up said s#!t that really tells the whole story. I actually like their knives more than most of their lights, personally, and I hope they keep coming out with more models of knives for quite some time.
Bottom line for all the OKnives is this:
1) Try to get these when they go on sale for maximum value (most of mine were purchased for less than $65, some as low as $56, plus the Nightclaw @ $30)
2) If you don't like the steel used, don't buy it..and if you're not already educated on the different steel types, read up and/or watch videos on them before making a purchase
3) If there's something you think is wrong (or just simply don't like) with the product you DO purchase, at least try to contact them first and give them a chance to make things right (which I think Olight/OKnife will probably do, even for someone who is *not* a youtube reviewer).
I've had this in my Amazon cart for a couple weeks now, glad u made this vid, save me some headache from the wife for buying another knife. Keep up the great vids
Glad to help my friend
I would put it back in the cart. Of the 30+ in both the micarta and the G10 that I have handled(and I own 2 each), NOT ONE has had the issue of the lockup. Just like knives that cost 2 to 3 times as much, buy it from a reputable store and if you see that yours has an issue send/take it back. Also He is in the vast minority that I have heard of complaining about the shadowbox of the liners. Very solid knife with plenty of grip but not tare up your hands or pocket grip. I have hands on the XL side and I get plenty of purchase and no hotspots. No problems slicing, it's cut and pierced everything I've thrown at it. My only nitpick with the Beagle would be that I would have liked the jimping to come back into the liner similar to the Vigor. All in all another great knife made by Kizer, for Oknife.
@@bmillemo
exactly this...can't help but simultaneously laugh and SMFH at all these people commenting here, taking this *one* video on *one* OKnife Beagle as irrefutable proof that ALL the OKnife Beagles are dangerous, which just simply isn't the case. AT BEST, this video should be used solely as something to keep an eye out for, not taken as gospel.
Just like you said, all their knives are made by Kizer, which typically make very good knives...but there's not a manufacturer out there (of ANYTHING) that doesn't have some issues with production on occasion. The difference is, both Kizer and Olight/OKnife stand behind their products when they're made aware of such issues.
I’m still holding out for the Buck bulb or the Mag-knife. I’ll just be waiting
Another honest review. Thank you!
I have the Splint and it is a good, small EDC knife. Nothing crazy, just a mid grade EDC knife. I dig the blade shape on the Splint. It is in my EDC rotation and I have been happy with it. Having said this, I only use it for a backup for hiking.
G'day Aaron, I'm glad you're still having fun with the intro mate, but.........."O"- dear, not so much with that lock up or ergos. Bit of a shame really, they did do some things well; thumb studs, clip screws, I'd be cool with 154 CM too and I do dig the harpoon profile. (Btw, I'm getting on extremely well with the BK-18). Must say I like the look of the Astor, have you reviewed it ? if so, how long ago ?
Cheers Duke.
Yes way back last year and I still edc it once or twice a week. It’s one of my favorites.
Well if its anything like their lights it will be massively overhyped and set people's pants on fire 🤣
😂
I really need to complete the recall form.
True story tho
Yeh we heard about that from Aus.... We mostly laughed at the American approach when we heard that, there was no recall with our models:P
You clearly don't know wtf you're talking about 😂🤡
I thought the name, “Beagle” was interesting. Then I remembered that in China they use beagles for a lot of things including test subjects for all sorts of diseases, chemicals, pretty much everything you can imagine. And the ones that aren’t lucky enough to find that fate often end up in dog meat markets. Interesting call Olight.
Sad
I skipped this one based on the proud liners and lock-bar jimping. I don't know who designed it but Kizer is the manufacturer. They usually do a good job but lemons happen. (I've gotten them from Spyderco too.) Based on my experiences with both Kizer and Olight, I'd expect decent customer service on this.
Kizer OEM and an Azo design fwiw
Their designs make me think of ganzo stuff from a few years ago but done with better materials and at a much higher price.
I don’t mind the shadowboxed scales
Don't give up on Oknife just yet. Try the Parrot. Purely an EDC front flipper. Just over a 2.5 inch 154CM blade, wide blade and G10 handle. Feels very good in the hand with no fit and finish issues you had with your knife. A little heavy for the size but stout and super sharp. I like it. Later.
Thanks Aaron; good review.
I own one of these. Its great, I truly love it! Kizer produces these, the quality is awesome! I love the ergonomics on this knife! Love your show my friend, but really disagree with you on this one. This is one of my favorite edc's.
Thanks for this honest review. I wouldn't have any issue with the liners being prominent above the micarta. For e.g. the Real Steel Huginn has the same design and I really like this knife. But the weak lock on the Beagle is a real problem and a deal breaker in my opinion.
I dont see problem with new brands trying make new knives. This could bring some fresh air into the whole market... But they must bring new quality with this. This also mean old models are just getting pushed back by new. Like ontario rat 1. It was great back then. But now it is overpriced for what it offers.
Some faults but there is alot of potential here, they just need to refine things. Because it looks great, just needs some minor tweaks
Yeah devil is definitely in the details on this one.
Good review.
I like Les George, carrying my Xcom right now, but that Astor just isn't aesthetically pleasing.
To each there own I guess, it is extremely functional for me and one of my go to Edc‘s.
What a huge letdown. I've had this in my Amazon wish list for awhile but guess I'll remove it. No place in my pocket for a lock that may not function
Yeah it’s sad, but I was glad to be able to highlight the shortfalls save you regret. Thanks for watching
Olight may or may not make good lights, but what is clear is that they pay certain scummy youtubers (Sootch00, Mrgunsnshill, etc) to make advertisements and call them reviews. I'd never buy any of their products.
At least it locks up a little bit, the one my friend got didn’t lock at all. He got it replaced with one that locks very early like this one.
Great review Aaron.
The Olight Knives are made in China. I've purchased a multi-tool and a pocket knife that were made in China and they both had the problem where the liner lock only semi-partially (20% or less) engaged which was a big NO-GO.
Looks cool but yeah I can see hot spots issue!
I own one and the liner lock is about 35 to 40% connected to the blade that’s scary to see, can have a bad accident with it.
Yeah that’s sad
That design looks good but liners above handle scales is a hard no. Maybe I’m old school, those harpoon style blades are kind of silly. I hard use all of my blades, trim the fat. Make users.
I've had a Beagle since they came out with no issue. I'm under the impression that the Oknives are sources from Kizer.
I don't think companies should stay in their lane. We wouldn't have Hogue or Tactile turn knives, and Benchmade would still only make Balisongs. Good try on them. Should have entered the market with something cheaper, gotten feedback and then came out with an upgraded premium knife
Oh for sure I get it it was more of a critique of the knife than anything else.
thanks for saving me $80 i love this design but the issues you pointed are are an absolute no go for me as well
Jeff at cutlery lover showed how to fix the liner lock challenge
Sounds like the knife is 90% there. Reducing those liners and tweaking the lock is a 5 minute job in some CAD software. Get on it Olight.
Don't waste your $ there is way better options out there, I got the original black one when it came out and wished I wouldn't have. I've never used it once, the detent on opening is way to hard and is VERY difficult to open one handed. Not to mention its mini sized imo, but these knives aren't made for knife people imo. Stick with brands you know and trust!
An epic video review in every aspect. Maybe at your top 20 videos you ever made. And here is why. You drop light at the Olight features, that others didn't spotted at all. And exactly this is what i found, after i hold it 5 days ago, for 5 minutes. Olight after all is a good company, but also i don't think excellent (far from being that), producing flashlights, so keep on at this field playing ball , and leave the bar for the drinkers. Also the Kershaw shown instead is a better choice. Keep on strong bro!
Thanks so much really appreciate it
alot of kizer knives have shadow boxed liners its not a design mishap
I get that and I have seen it many times, it is just bad on this one partly because of how thin it is.
It will become the staple of every CZcams shill.
Hahah
Looks like a lemon to me. Then again you don't include any sort of testing to show the lock up failing which realistically would be the first thing I would do if I wasn't sending it in for warranty but you don't mention doing that either. That said I've felt like all the oknifes have been uninspired and uninteresting to me so I'm not going to buy one unless something catches my eye but my experience with their lights has been good and they often find a place in my rotation so I wouldn't avoid giving the knives a try if something appealed to me.
"Yeah Dude totally" Great video as usual. Keep reviewing "gears", just not the Disraeli kind. Cream was an excellent band.
Well, too bad, I guess it was designed for looks and not for use. Great video, thanks for the valuable information.
Beagle is the perfect name for this.........
Glad you saw to it to give it a good go.
I'd love to hear your take on the Tough Built Tradesman Fixed Blade. Very cool looking, and it's been a blast to use... also my first full tang. Given that Tough Built makes tool holsters and a variety of related stuff, a knife from them was unexpected.
Don’t blame Olight - they won’t make the knives at all they just rebrand them. The Drever was a Kizer knife.
All of them are Kizer made knives
Board meetings from Camera Conspiracies
I'm a fan of their lights and regularly use two models. But these Oknifes looked gimmicky from inception. I guess we should have expected it given how many redundant and ridiculous looking flashlight models they release when their core models are all you need.
Great video, it is much appreciated. A little disappointing as I was about to pick it up on sale along with their utility knife, $55 for both. Have you had a chance to check out their rubato 2?
Can someone maybe explain to me how you combat the inherent problem that micarta has since it absorbs liquids & smells & can cause liners/tang to rust quickly with frequent carry?
@@SenecaSerpent Thank you. I just always wondered since there are so many CZcamsrs who seem to prefer satin/micarta on folders & after carrying a DLC micarta knife neck-style it really baffled me how much I don't like micarta.
Totally seems not worth it when you got other options that don't have these problems.
"Here's some more maintenance you gotta do on your maintenance tool AKA folders." It really seems like you can gain a lot of problems when going to folders over EDC fixed blades. All I have to maintain on my DLC Bradford is strop/sharpen the Cruwear when it wavers. Seems like these choices are lost on me. Like popular now'a'days folders seem mostly gimmicky fun/AC carry only because they can be so impractical.
With Kizer being the OEM, I'm a little surprised at the QC issues. My kizers have all been flawless. BUT, kizer doesn't really specialize in harder use folders. Another great video, Aaron. Thank you and God bless, brother.
Kizer has never been good
Well seeing as Olight has Kizer as their OEM, thats rather sad
Snoopy would not buy this knife and neither will I. Thanks for the lowdown.
I steer clear of Olight and Chinesium blades these days .
As we all should
Oh man! That P. Knife looks AWESOME! so sad is a piece of shit, hopefully they fix all the quirks and get back to us with version 2 banger of a product.
classic olight..
A miss is as good as a mile...thanks GT for pointing out the realities of this knife. If OL truly wants to stay in the knife game they will review these shortcomings and make necessary corrections. Comparative options is awesome info!
Thanks for watching Micah
Somebody better go tell Kershaw that they are doing their liner locks wrong. When I was working there they wanted the liner lock to engage at about 50% just like your showing in the video. I've heard that Olight got Kizer to make the knifes for them.
Zt knives have lots of lock geometry issues where the lock fails. I'd assume Kershaw has similar issues. But I only own a blur.
Yup my kershaw leek and my link both only maybe had 50% lock up. The link would pop out under strain and the way the liner lock was designed you could easily engage it while carving.
@@AtomicBleach that sucks. I want to buy USA made knives but they don't do a good job. Almost all of the brands have one or another issue with them.
@@tacticalcenter8658 the one knife I've continue to carry ever since it came out via their Kickstarter campaign is the StatGear Ausus Slim. I had the company engrave my name in the blade when I backed it. It's a good solid D2 ball bearing knife with G10 scales. The only modification I have done is I filed a little out of the back part of the blade to force the liner lock to engage 100% and I filed the square pocket clip so it was rounded. Since I had to modify the knife to make it function, the company sent another knife to me no questions asked. They are currently having a sale on the knife for $25 a blade. You really can't beat it, best sub $50 knife by far. Ive battoned mine, I use it to cut through signal cable and tough nylon air hoses quite often when I don't have anything else in my pocket. Blade has yet to loosen up on me
@@AtomicBleach China d2 is not a good steel due to it not being a good steel for mass manufacturing with heat treatment. But for 25$ that's a good deal for something that performs like 8cr13mov with more toughness. I avoid China d2 like the plague these days.
If that knife was 14c28n I'd jump on it.
I wonder if Olight really designed the knife. I bet they just went to a knife company and asked if they had something they could put their brand on. Who knows if they were sent a prototype. And if they were, if they did more than just look at it. For all we know, they could have been emailed a series f pictures and gave the go ahead based on that.
Kizer OEM's their knives. Azo was the designer on this one.
Making the liners wider than the scales even by a fraction was obviously a conscious design decision... which is what that is so baffling. It literally serves no useful purpose and it's bound to be uncomfortable. So I don't get why they would even choose to do that, which they obviously did. Second, on a liner lock or frame lock imo it has to be safe with as much contact as possible. Anything else is asking for it to close on your fingers and depending on how good an edge you've put on it likely to do some serious damage. Not something I'd especially like to experience in the outdoors! To an inexperienced user this looks like a pretty and good quality knife. To a knife guy as it stands at the moment it has to be a no. I mean, it looks pretty, but so does Amber Heard!
I can see maybe why on paper or a video it would be baffling, but in the real world it is not uncomfortable at all and I have hands on the xl side. I guess if you were whiteknuckling your knife for hours on end maybe, but I have 4(2 g10 and 2 micarta) and have had no issues at all. Also I have handled 30+ from multiple vendors and have not seen or heard of a single one with less than a full lockup with the liner.
@@bmillemo I'm glad you're happy with it. At the end of the day that's all that counts really. But having as many knives as I already have I've got to the point when unless I can't find the smallest fault in a knife I just won't buy it. I'll instead get by with one of the dozens of other knives I've hardly ever used first.
Olight does not make the knives (we ) is the maker of them or is it kizer. Not sure but olight does not make them. They use the outside designer who designs them.
Excellent Ovideo. I'll be Ospending my Omoney elsewhere.
Get outta here, boyO.
Let's be clear beyond the paid advertisement: Olight doesn't make anything. They contract with Chinese manufacturers. Period.
You know Kizer makes Oknives… right?
154cm?
You can just show the lock and we are done with this toy
lol...the knife looks like a toolbox knife. Throw it in there.
Ha ha ha, no way I trust a utility knife from Home Depot before this one.
So the knock off light company is now making knock off knives yippee.
Haha 😂
Knock off lights?
No thanks. Olight is garbage company and the knives they make are not good.
Also, how are you a "Tactical Center", with not one tactical video or concept on your channel ???
Based
Except of course they don’t actually make the knives…
Kizer makes all their knives.
So when CIVIVI makes the steel liners protruding from the scales all the way around it's ok but not when olight does it? Make up your f'n mind 🙄
What? Have yet to handle a knife that has it like this and as sharp??
Olight outsources it's knife manufacturing to Kizer.
Yikes that makes it even worse!
Made by kizer just sayin
I'm surprised it's even as good as it is considering Olight is cheap Chinese trash made to look pretty & just advertised all to hell to drive sales.
Looks sweet though.
That knife should be $10 only. And it should be considered a throw away knife as it is
Another basic liner knife. Nothing to see here
Haha 😂
This dog don’t hunt lol.
Stop buying Chinese knives people!
Junk
USMC knives all the way
This is the 2nd video I've seen today of these Oknifes, Cutlerylover Jeff had so much play in his, he had to take his apart to fix it.
Not a fan of them anyway, they do nothing for me in the looks dept. The Beagle isn't too bad, but the other 2 are very, meh!
Wow first