Is this the best liveaboard cruiser out there? Island Packet 380 used boat review - Yachting Monthly
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- When it comes to liveaboard credentials, is the Island Packet the cream of the crop? Rachel Sprot takes the Island Packet 380 for a test sail to find out...
Island Packet 380 specifications
DESIGNER Bob Johnson
BUILT 1998 - 2004
PRICE £100,000 - £140,000
LOA 39.58ft / 12.06m
LWL 32ft / 9.75m
|BEAM 13.16ft / 4.01m
DRAUGHT 4.58ft / 1.40m
BALLAST 9,000lb / 4,082kg
DISPLACEMENT 21,000lb / 9,525kg
SAIL AREA 755.02 sq ft / 70.14m²
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This was our yacht for 16 years and did everything attributed to her. Crossed the Atlantic, live aboard for 4 years, and kept us safe in some horrendous gales. Two points of clarification/correction, the main has always been in mast reefed and the jib is a Yankee not a Genoa.
Seeing the review brought back many happy memories and we hope that Jane and Su Yung have the same experiences we enjoyed.
You think that genoa is a Yankee? Hahaha!! Not even close.
@@TOMVUTHEPIMP who cares
@@TOMVUTHEPIMPThat's definitely a genoa. That foot is straight, it doesn't have a high clew like a yankee not to mention it's overlapping.
Wow! More reviews by Rachel please! This was excellent! One of the best reviews and tours I've seen, it feels as if she knows a lot and have a genuine feeling of what a boat should be to here. Great work!
That was a very good review. I like it when reviews consider the philosophy behind a boat as well rather than just the typical “starting at the bow this is the chain locker” box ticking approach. It’s clear this presenter gave proper consideration to what she was going to say. 👍 P.S Give her a pay rise and keep her.. Probably have to say well done to the camera person and film editor also for making the presenter look good. Keep them as well. 👍
Absolutely agree. We've sailed our Island Packet 380 from up to 80 degrees North and are now in Patagonia, waiting to go around the horn in december. Reviewer was excellent as well.
I really enjoyed this review, of an older boat. I would love to see this as a regular feature
Happy to see a used boat review on this channel.
This is a fantastic review. Kudos to the presenter. I am very impressed with the audio quality and lack of wind noise. Super delivery as well. Bravo. The IP is nice too. :)
Island Packet - My pick for the best made boats today and for many years. I love their design philosophy and you showcased it wonderfully. Bravo!
While the chainplates on a 1999 model are probably OK, early IP boats used a questionable stainless alloy for chain plates and some have needed chainplate replacement - which is doable but complicated by the fact they are embedded in the hull. Purchasers of earlier IP boats should try to contact the factory and check out what alloy was used in their boat to see if a replacement might be needed. In the US x ray inspection of the chainplates is now a commercial service.
That said, we love our 1998 IP 350 which is very similar to this boat
We had an IP35 with external chainplates. They were so strong that when the boat was lost in hurricane Ian with 150mph winds (which completely destroyed marinas and boats nearby) the mast was still standing!
Not sure which is more impressive, the vessel or the reviewer. Both are outstanding.
Excellent and professional job reviewing this boat.
I'm in total agreement with earlier comments regarding Rachel's knowledgeable presentation and command of nautical terms. So refreshing. And Jalan-Jalan is a sweet boat. Having lived in South East Asia for 12 years, I love the name, meaning "to go" in Bahasa Indonesian.
Outstanding review, Extreme knowledge delivered with confidence and assurance. Great job.
One of the features I really like about the saloon is the fold up table keeping the area spacious. I'm surprised more makers don't adopt this feature
Appreciate why you'd say that but I'd disagree. Going forward at sea with the table raised gives you a long way to fall and even if down, the arrangement is comparatively flimsy. Only really useful i.m.o you want to hold a party down below.....
@@iainmacdonald1170 If you look at the design, certainly on the IP38 and IP40, there are ceiling grab rails running both side of the saloon to allow safe passage through the boat
@@grahamatsea3575 Yes, I’ve seen those and please don’t misunderstand, I like the boat otherwise. However, in a seaway it’s always much easier to brace yourself ‘downhill’ than ‘uphill’.
@@iainmacdonald1170 yes I would agree, bracing like an ape takes learning 😁.
One of the features I don't like about Island Packets, is the bonded in chainplates, which makes them impossible to inspect, and a lot more expensive to renew than a saloon table!
I’ve been watching lots of boat reviews lately and I’m often left with a car salesman vibe which doesn’t enthuse me. This review however definitely was a more extremely knowledgeable enthusiast scene with expert delivery. I’ve been specifically leaning toward island packets because of many features highlighted. Thank you. I’ll seek out this reviewer again.
Check rigging and tanks closely...
Great boat. And Edward Teach's great -great granddaughter showing it off is so legitimizing.
Excellent review by Rachel. Thank you!
These videos are timed perfectly for my current season of life. Please do not stop and please test the eclectic too!!
Fabulously clear and focussed review. I missed the size initially and then I was surprised to here it was 38” a lot of boat in 38”!
One of the best onboard reviews I have seen on You tube. Definitely a new subscriber. Island Packet is at the top of my "to buy" list for a liveaboard.
Love them ,,, did Portsmouth to La Corunna on 39 IP ,,, the skipper was an inexperienced Toff called Rupert ,, never ever sail with Rupert ! Engine died just before Brest ,, never started again , 5 days in Biscay in storms 7 to 9 s ,,, omg ! That boat was fantastic thank god ,the skipper / owner was useless ,, I jumped ship in La Corunna , I was down to sail to Porto with him as crew but had enough of his lunacy and incompetence by Spain .. I would buy an IP without blinking if I had the budget lol ..
Couple of undesirable aspects: 1) Chain locker is not accessible from deck, but only from forward stateroom (if chain piles up, etc.), 2) Tankage is aluminum, subject to corrosion, needing replacement, and impossible to access without tearing up the boat, , 3) no level monitor for waste tank, and no good access to install one. Good aspect: Despite the long keel, manuevers easily in marinas.
Id rather have glassed in tankage than a bolted on keel that falls off and rudders that collect every piece of ocean garbage. Every boat has its negatives.
The chain locker has internal guides to prevent chain piling up, the original did suffer a bit from this but a simple extension of the internal guides solves this problem....there's info on CZcams about this. The chain locker is really deep too. The saloon floor can be removed easier than you might think for replacement of the tank. The waste tank level can easily be monitored, so long as its plastic, by tank level strips bonded to the side of the tank . A firm called new providence marine in usa can supply the type I'm talking about.
I would hardly call and IP a ftraditional full keel boat, i see it more as an elongated fin keel, thats maybe why people are surprised it handles and sails well for a "full" keel.
Some chain plates are glassed in and there have been some failures. I have no problem with a full keel design for cruising. Not so great for racing, but most cruisers carry a few thousand pounds of goodies racers don't too.
This excellent review clearly shows that you deeply know the subject in detail. I have not been a massive fan of long keelers, but after listening to you, I decided to give them a closer look. Keep up the excellent work. I like to see more of your sail yacht's reviews. Cheers.
Not a massive fan of long keelers why? Because some guys on internet forums who have no experience with them trash talk them?
I need to win a lottery. A very practical live aboard short handed sailboat. Nice review.
Informative review and a very nice example of a traditional monohull cruising or live aboard vessel.
Fantastic review, lovely boat. Well done that Lady.
Very Nice review. You definitely get this vessel. I've crewed over the years on two different 380s, on offshore and near shore on many extended voyages. We never got there fast but we were always taken care by the boat very comfortably. I might add the quarter berths are roomy and the standing rigging extremely beefy for the size of sails and rig.
Excellent review, please make more.
Nice to see you, Rachael!
Superb review. I've sailed on an IP40, and very spacious, though she wasn't so well appointed. We used the huge drop table to layout our paper charts, though we had good electronics. If I could afford one, I wdefinitely I would have one. Well done.
Absolutely brilliant review, thank you!
nice to see a new face here . grab a pen and confidence !🥰🥰😘😘do love these canoes. a sailing channel almost bought 1(project Atticus 2)
I’m pretty much a race guy but I have to say I like these boats and they sail well. Plus just terrific build quality.
A great looking and performing boat. Very nice cruising setup.
Terrific, measured review.
Fantastic review. Hope to see more thorough reviews from her.
I love Island Packets for being exactly what they are a full keel cruising boat built to keep it's crew safe. And this is an awesome example of one. I would only make one change to the boat (in three parts). I would remove the inner forestay and have her solent rigged. I would add a self jibbing track and get rid of the hoyt boom. I would add duel whisker pole tracks to the front of the mast. If I left it cutter rigged I would still do away with the hoyt boom for the self tacking track to allow the foredeck to actually be used. There is nothing wrong with the cutter rig I just feel that the solent rig is a more versatile setup for cruising.
Very good review - you have a nice delivery.
Very nice review, obviously a keen sailor. The things I want to hear about
Great review - thank-you !
Great review!! Much better then the sleepy guy. I hope on more reviews of elder boats, Nordia and HR, ex. 😁
Great review!
Worth revisiting this review tbh, as the Island Packet Brand has had new Owners since this boat was built in 1999, and the New Owners are former Island Packet Agents / Dealers and are IP enthusiasts, and are doing really nice things thanks to years of Customer Feedback, Gone is the Hoyt Jib Boom, which has resulted in a much better shape to the Sail, and rather important sadly, is they have addressed the Termite Problem that affects Florida and the Caribbean as Customdrs were getting their Plywood Bulkheads destroyed by them. Customer feedback is still taken very seriously, and affects things like changes to the lighting below, illumination of Bilge spaces, and Cinveniences like that. Options during Construction now include a Hard Dodger, and a Hard Aft Cockpit Arch for Solar Panels and Davits. You can probably tell that I have Turned into a Real Island Packet Fan, and my only Regret is my Piggybank still isn't full enough to place my order for a new one, an IP 439. Ho Hum, Patience is a Virtue I suppose. Best Wishes to You All, and Fair Winds, a still Landlocked Bob. ❤️⛵️✨️✨️✨️
Will 2nd, er.....3rd...or...78th positive comment on Rachel Sprot's style of boat reviews. Knowledge is Power....she rocks.
The IP boats are very slow but beautiful and great quality.
Pretty cool review.
well done production!
Excellent review!
Nice review!
Very fine review.
Super review.
Definitely a master piece of a boat.
The Wife and I all most bought one just like it years ago.
Wish we had.
Excellent review Rachael!
Lovely boat although I'm leery of any rigging going through wood. Sounds like they've done well to link the shrouds beneath the rails, though.🙂
Its crazy the difference 10 ft makes on a sailing yacht….
A higher cut jib (a proper cutter configuration) would probably balance the helm and main. I have seen a lot of that where a masthead rig vessel is a wee bit overpowered by her genoa, even a lapper like yours. I wonder what other IP 380 owners do?
IP are, IMO, one of the best sailing yachts still produced today.
Excellent review. Many IP's at my marina in Maryland and it's not hard to see why people like them.
Very nice. What about curtains or something to block the sun?
Now I need one! 😀 Problem though is I'm 6'6" tall. Please tell me the cabin and galley areas have more headroom than that?
Отличная яхта! Спасибо!
Gr8 review
Why is everyone ive seen on a channel about boats named Sophie? This Sophie lady must be very wealthy to own so many boats.
My biggest boat was a 1983 Hunter 31. I bought here cheap and she didn't need much. She could sail very close to the wind without perturbing the sails but fin keep and rudder made so much way that 55 degrees close hauled. you'd have to sail20 nm per tack to make 2 km on your course. Broachy with a sea/wind on the quarters or astern and the auto pilot was nearly useless on anything but a beam reach. Still, I cruised the eastern US and Carribean extensivley. I just ha to pick my sea time by the weather and just plan to have to spend a lot of time hand steering. SHe had a good soft doger that kept most of the water off me while hand steering. Still, If I were to buy another boat I figure a steering position in a mid-cockpit with a hard dodger would be ideal for short handing long passage. I would also add vane steering to the electronic steering. hours and hours of watching the adventures of SV Delos convinced me
i thought my hunter 375 had space but damn thats nice
So you need to remember to lock two doors in the toilet when having friends aboard for a tour!😁
Have to disagree on one point. The welded bar for the chain plates are a weakness. If one goes, they all, on that side, can go.
what about specs? does it have an engine?
⚓️💙 Go IP!
Nice boat. I think I would rather have a Pearson 385..
Yep, a tayana 37
Having sailed the US west coast on a IP 485, my advice to ocean crossing cruisers is: BUY one you can
Ultimate live aboard would have to be 40’ as most marinas are now corporate owned and want 40’ or greater for live aboard. It’s hard to find a place that will let you live on a 38
Superb, knowledgeable presentation.
Thanks for the video. I've been eyeing a 380 for awhile. I didn't catch where your sailing the boat??
They are sailing in water.
The Solent, the Hamble River in particular.
@@TOMVUTHEPIMP ….how do you know they’re sailing in water? Are you a water expert? And what if the water doesn’t identify as water…but as something else, such as melted ice cream?
@@TOMVUTHEPIMP your a bit of a sarcastic prick, I’ve noticed your snide comments elsewhere, grow up!
Great review! Does anyone know the headroom?
6' 5"
jalan-jalan means short excursion or cruising...
When she says it's not close winded, and sails at 50 degrees to the wind at 6 knots, how fast will it sail at 35 degrees to the wind?
At 35 degrees from the wind, that boat would start sailing backwards...
Hi I have the plans for a Roberts offshore 38. These plans have the same chainplate system as this, fiberglassed the hull. I thought Surveyors like to see the chainplates to inspect them.What do Surveyors react to the this boat?
Bulletproof portholes she says...wow, might be useful sailing off Somalia 😄
Answer: Yes. Yes it is.
If you want to go very slowly at great expense these are good. If you want to be able to sail off a lee shore....not so much
It's a joke - some people remain in a state of hypnosis
Every single mfg, production through high end swan, oyster, etc have all adopted the finot-conq class 40 inspired hull
@@larkangel6593 so we have a choice of 1850's full keel nonsense, or race inspired double wedge super wife nonsense. What happened to moderate hulls with symmetrical lines and efficient fin & spade underbodies like the Adams 40, some of the Radford designs, the later Chuck Paine or the Dashew designs?
@@deerfootnz I guess the question is, absent wife/girlfriend, would the f-c (inspired) designs still dominate the market?
Even 50/50, the reality is when an SO is added to the mix, these are the boats that sell
It's not just the increased room, added light, larger cockpit, or easy mobility, but rather all those elements along with improved sail performance
@@larkangel6593 for what they are designed for they are ok: short trips in sheltered water with many people on board. Most owners use case is this, most of the time. Marketing Trump's naval architecture, it seems
There are old pilots and there are bold pilots but there are no old bold pilots. The same could be said for Blue Water Cruiser’s
The name of the boat is probably from the Bahasa Indonesian, or possibly Malay, phrase meaning to go out for a stroll. It is pronounced JAH-lawn JAH-lawn.
I can't believe that this boat is called Jalan Jalan 🤣 The name is Malay for "sight seeing". Seems appropriate.
I've totally fallen for Island Packet Sailboats, had similar "Old School" construction Sailboats in the past and likecthat their Ci structure options can leave out things I don't like, such as Cutter Rigs, and Ketch Rigs, as I like KISS Principles that can leave out completely via a Furling Genoa so no sailcloth exposed at the Bow, and a Ketch Rig with Sailcloth at the stern So the only exposed zsailclothnis exposed at the Mast and an offshore Construction Battenless Durling Triradial Main with 3.5 Reefs, to give a strong furlof say Challenge 9.11 Cloth, from two Reefs to 1,5 Reefs or 0.5 reef. At Anchor in the Tropics no Cloth destroying UV other than through the Mast slot , which can be protected against. Triradial construction, recovers most ofvthe performance offered by Full batten construction, but eliminates Batten Chafe wear and Tear greatly extending Sail Life ( according to a large Sailmaker who makes them, and it is good to see other Sailmakers are now offering them as well) . tbh, the big issue for me, with the IP 380, is only having a Single Head and Shower. For me, two double Cabins means two heads and Showers is nice, but add in the Saloon slide out setee double, and the settee single (far more sensible than the Captain's Chairs caption for me) and the sensible drop down table fold out larger option, and with a likely, anchorage get together socialising, Two Heads with two Showers, becomes pretty much indispensable ? So if not a Sailboat Hermit (and there's nothing wrong with that either ) the minimum IP size shifts to the IP 420 ? Oh that long Bar Chainplate embedded in fibreglass ? Has turned out to be a priblem that has been fixed in boats built after the year 2000 , for IP to fix it for you costs about 12,000 dollars, and at some point, there's a 50/50 chance is of them needing changing, after about 20 years apparently? buried in fibreglass air depri action does damage, and they're a bit of a bugger to check, without removing them it seems. If Solo, or a Couple Sailing, I think I'd go New Range : IP 349, IP 420 Motorsailer, or an IP 439 Sloop Rigged . I "think the 420 Motorsailer Details are still being updated and finalised presently, and may swing me from an order from the 439, though tbh, as a disabled Sailor, the 439 is close to perfect, with custom options largely about Stainless tube side deck siderails, and some extra handholds where needed. just about everything else is Co ered from the standard optio s list. That's pretty darned good, given every boat is a compromise imho. Best Wishes and Fair Winds. Bob. 👍⛵️✨️✨️✨️
Not a skeg hung rudder.
Sprot knows
Everything seems "nice"... almost as many "nice" things as that US boat broker guy... forgot his name. Good review otherwise of a smashing boat although all the effusing of the reviewer in the comments seem a little over the top! Do like these reviews of older boats though.
Like a brick house!
Island Packet always heave boats even their small boats
Sails like a bathtub but great live aboard and if you like slow it will eventually get you there
Nice boat but not a liveabord type, no seperate shower stall in the head.
old technology, great back in 1999. not so much now. it doesn't compare at all to the new beneteau's tech.
Two wqnkers?
Do you have problems?
I should have put a laughy face emoji. I just think saying two anchors is funny. Could be a problem, I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings 😁
@@NordicPoodle what's funny about that?
The boat has two anchors. Sounds like something else if you speak quickly running your words together. It amuses me, but I laugh at my own farts
30 seconds in and already wrong. It's not a skeg hung rudder. It's a spade rudder with a line guard.
Well I guess you are wrong too.....it's a bit more than a line guard, the lower section of the rudder is supported by it.......it's a solid lump of metal. A line guard infers no strength but a 6mm strop etc to deflect ropes ......but this lump of metal (not sure whether bronze) does have a key hole in it to act as a bearing for the lower section of rudder.......it's hardly a spade rudder design which is only supported at the upper section as it leaves the hull.
Is this the best liveaboard cruiser out there?
NO !
Not even close. How much liveaboard sea time have these reviewers had?
(and I'm not talking about living on a boat in a marina in the bloody Solent)
There is soooo much about this yacht type that is unsuitable for a cruising lifestyle.
Those who know ... know !
how about telling some of us looking at this type of boat what about this boat is unsuitable for the cruising lifestyle?
@@BonatiInstitute A high capsize number (1.91) and a low comfort ratio (30.60) are a couple of items, that can contribute to seasickness, for a start.....
More of a marina/bay boat really, IMHO....
@@jamesstewart259 where does the comfort ratio come from, I've not heard of that? I would have thought a long keel and reasonably heavy would have created a high comfort ratio? How do they arrive at the comfort ration? Thanks
@@grahamatsea3575 "Graham Atsea
12 hours ago
@James Stewart where does the comfort ratio come from, I've not heard of that? I would have thought a long keel and reasonably heavy would have created a high comfort ratio? How do they arrive at the comfort ration? Thanks"
The comfort ratio formula was developed by Ted Brewer to determine a basic rise and fall of a hull configuration related to length, beam and weight....
@@jamesstewart259 thanks , I've read up on it and it's essentially the rate of rise of the boat in a seaway.....he states that heavier boats have a slower rise rate thus more comfortable motion. I would have thought the IP would have fitted exactly into that category and thus been listed as more comfortable than others?
The carpet seems unpractical in an otherwise capable boat.
In a word? No! But she is slow and cumbersome. There is not French word forte’e. The word is forte. It’s pronounced fort.
Yeah. No it doesn't have a skeg-hung rudder, it has a KEEL hung rudder. Find people who know what they are talking about.