Why Regional Variant Pokémon Have Secretly Been LYING TO YOU!
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- čas přidán 11. 05. 2022
- Regional variant Pokemon, such as Hisuian, Galarian, and Alola forms, are one of the coolest mechanics that the Pokemon games have ever introduced. However, regional variant Pokemon might not be all that they seem, and in this video, I will be explaining why they have secretly been LYING to you this entire time!
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I have to disagree with the legendary birds, based on there pokedex entries it seems more likely they were named after the og trio.
I have to agree with you, it seems like they were given the names of the legendary birds because they had had similar appearances and traits to the Kanto birds, who actually had the elemental types.
That's true
The order in which some Pokemon variants existed may not be the same as the order they were discovered and named. I took the article that way, though it was not directly stated. Still, I did cringe a little in the talk about the Legendary Birds.
Yep. It's complete BS made up after the fact.
No you’re absolutely right
Wasn't it theorized that the Galarian Legendary birds were actually completely separate Pokémon to the Kanto birds and were named after them because they shared similar traits to them? Articuno's eye beams simulated freezing, Zapdos' feathers sounded like zapping electricity, and Moltres' aura burned like molten fire. The Galarian birds were named after the Kanto birds, not the other way around.
This is pretty much the case. In fact, they are indicated to be totally not related, not an adapted form of the legendary birds in the Galar region.
This is great evidence. I disagreed with several points in this video too, haha. Especially the whole “shinies being Pokémon who changed over time” - Occam’s razor would say they’re genetic abnormalities due to being very rare discolored forms of a known species
@@wolfiemuse I always thought shiny pokemon as something like a very rare mutation among a species of Pokemon, something like Albinism. Humans with albinism are pretty much shiny humans.
Hoops likes to come up with wild theories but some of them are just too wild to be true.
@@hhjan594 that's my head cannon too always made more sense for it to be a condition that just changed the colors of the pokemon rather than anything else imo
This is what I believe as well. Though, even if they are related, it's almost certain the Pokedex in Galar is written from a Galarian perspective, and therefore with incorrect assumptions that a Galarian would make. They just assume they know where the name comes from because it makes a bit of sense based on their observations.
I'll be honest, most of this is just big stretches and leaps in logic, especially for the Galarian birds. As for Meowth, the Galarian dex entries completely go against what you're saying since they directly say it got the Steel typing from being with those seafaring people.
Yes and the none steel type ones have lighter coins and how do you think meowth arrived in Alola before the death of the Kamahamaha Dynasty equivalent if it wasn’t form Seafaring folk as animal transportation to Hawaii didn’t happen during King Kamahamaha's rule as they didn’t think they needed foreign animals untill the Americans turned them into a territory
Not only that he himself brings real world equivalents which don’t make sense since galar is based off of the uk and mimes are more of a France thing which we do have a region base off of. And the sea baring people are heavily implied to be Vikings and Vikings would have travel to Hawaii so.
@@Uiselmo you think it couldn't be that British/Russian/American traders took these Viking Meowth to Hawaii, and we didn't have regional forms in gen 6 and since Britain was so influenced by France untill they lost the 100+ years war to the point that they were the French kingdom for years and we're not gonna get gen 6 remakes which could introduce them but since the Gen 4 remakes didn't it's hard to see why they would do this and Mr. Mime is in Kalos and since AZ killed like all the pokemon in Kalos 10,000 years ago "Galarian" Mr.Mime could just be the last survivors of Kalosian Mr.Mime it could be Xearnes couldn't revive the regional forms of these pokemon so just put their non Kalosian counterparts and made new pokemon
Tbh Just look for the lost pokedex entries that Dr Lava published and all of this makes sense. The way the writers created pokemon back then they took in consideration: what they would eat, potential food chain, and environment. Also it says that pokemon research started in Europe and made it all the way to Japan later
Dex entries have lied in the past, it is cannon that the entries are based off the folklore surrounding the Pokémon and not entirely fact
I can see most of yhe points in this video, but Meowth's dex entries say it became all gruff and violent because vikings were taking them out on voyages, and so it evolved to match their violent attitudes
This is a good point too
I think that just explains the Perserker/Persian difference.
Yeah I agree
personally think the original meowth is something we haven’t yet seen or will never see
@@RavenZombieX except the dex entry also says that Galarian Meowth became Steel type due to living with their seafarers. In other words it was not Steel type originally. It's pretty clear it gained the Steel/viking traits from those viking equivalents. So either the original Meowth was the Normal type found in most regions, or there is another we don't know about yet.
I think they could still be a contender for the first historic Meowths though.
It does sound like something came before them however, like an even more 'wild' cat
9:10 The issue with the idea of Galarian Meowth being the original is that its stated to have become a Steel type due to living with the seafaring people. In other words it was originally not a Steel type. So either normal Meowth is what it developed from, or there is/was yet another type of Meowth out there.
And I know this video was written a while ago, and its been said before, but just to reiterate I find it doubtful Growlithe's name refers to stone. It's Japanese name certainly doesn't, and the English "lithe" in Growlithe simply being the word "lithe" makes more sense than it being a corruption of "lithic."
You make a point with the Growlithe naming since in Japanese it's name is "Gardie" (well some form of that word lol) and "lithe" is not related to "lithic".
I always find it funny when English speaking people claim the English name of a Japanese game creature come from something totally unrelated to the original Japanese name.
anyone can create and post a YT video for free. you see this stuff in the Godzilla Fandom too; just completely off the wall theories based on nothing and debunked by fact lol.
@@dragon-id5uj to be clear I like Hoops as a youtuber, I just dislike when he goes off on unsupported tangents and (due to making these videos way before they are released) ends up repeating such errors or exaggerations for multiple videos. His belief that Hisuian Voltorb is some abused, tragic creature is another example, there is no evidence that even the somewhat unkind treatment mentioned on the website is common, and even that doesn't really qualify as abuse (all it mentions is temporarily plugging up the hole on Voltorb and moving them out of a village it is causing problems in).
There's also the fact that unlike some of these other forms (like Mr. Mime and Exeggutor) Meowth was designed specifically with Japanese design influences. The design philosophy of Pokemon has changed over the years. Newer Pokemon designs reflect the real life region they're based in more than older designs.
Edit: idk if my point is coming across well, but I feel like some regional variants are kind of made specifically to "course correct" decisions Game Freak made.
My theory is that Voltorb was originally a pure grass, Apricorn like Pokemon. After PokeBalls were invented they started looking like them. Thus Hysuian Voltorb came to be. Then later on it became the pure electric Kantonian one we love.
The other theory is that hysuian voltorbs were the original, then after the creation of pokeballs, people quickly depleted all the apricorns. After that they started hunting voltorb to make pokeballs so the voltorb evolved to have tough steel shells instead
@@Samuel.55 I made mine was made after Hysuian Voltorb was just revealed. Yours makes more sense after that.
Alolan Meowth evolved from Kantonian iirc. At least that felt like the subtext (if it wasn't outright text) from the SM official site. Both evolve into Persian, meaning that they would have to be closer related. And it can't be the other way (Alola to Kanto) as it says Meowth was brought in.
Also Alolan and Kantonian Persian are more similar in temperament.
Well a noble would not want a rampaging kitten so they made the meowth's not be a berserker and more of the a serene and fearsome tiger eh?
Im pretty sure you could argue the opposite way about the farfetched as well. Purhapse it evolved in Kanto, from flying birds, and used their wings that arent used to carrying anything so the weak flimsy leeks are easy to pick up. Then when moving into galor they lost the ability to fly because they needed stronger bones and muscles to pick up those heavy leeks
While I really like these theories, I'll have to disagree with just one small part: the fact Alolan Meowth's coin is more yellow than Kantonian Meowth's is probably just because the change in the artstyle, rather than someting that has any in-universe explanation.
As far as I would be concerned, up until the creation of the regional forms... the original forms we got would have still be the "originals" and I do think that outside of some of the dex entries that would be the case for many pokemon. Honestly I'd love to see GameFreak to go even further back in time to before when the modern pokemon evolved/adapted from their ancestor pokemon (like how it was mentioned that Sizzlipede and Skorupi have a common ancestor)
In many cases. I'd disagree with you on the Executor one though. Earlier dex.entries flat out stated they were supposed to be taller. Some of the Hissiian pokemon might be the OGs as well.
@@LegendStormcrow That's why I added the part about the dex entries. It may not be worded correctly but basically I was saying most of the pokemon, aside from those dex entries that state other wise, would be considered original forms.
@@LegendStormcrow It was confirmed that some of the hisuian forms like Zorua and Zoroark and Braviary evolved from the forms we already know. But still some of the hisuian forms are the most likely the og like voltorb and electrode.
@@octokraken6359 The problem with hisuian forms is that the game is set in the past. So we can actually infer that zorua, zoroark, braviary, and others evolved from their hisuian forms into their modern forms.
This reminds me of an old theory from back when Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire came out:
Aerodactyl doesn't actually resemble its original form from prehistoric times, but when it Mega Evolves, it does. So it's mega form is more like a "primal" form more akin to Groudon and Kyogre's forms.
That's literally just a dex entry
Regional forms are the best thing ever to happen to Pokemon so knowing that Hisuin Arcanine started in Ancient Sinnoh being the first Arcanine definitely lines up with its Pokedex entry of it being a Legendary Pokemon.
noble yes, legendary no.
When I mean Legendary on the Pokedex I mean how its labeled in the Pokedex Arcanine is labeled as The Legendary Pokemon yes I'm aware it's not a Legendary Pokemon I'm just going by the Pokedex.
@@dooeytee6715 You don’t know about its category?
Ya
@@dooeytee6715 legendary as in from legend
These speculations are pretty interesting, but they are still theories at the end of the day, not really as solid as Alolan Exeggutor. I would say that does make sense.
I am sure that Farfetched got its design from the Japanese slang "encountering a duck with a leek", which in a way means you are pretty lucky.
Galarian Farfetched got its design from the bigger leeks that are normally produced in Great Britain since those leeks can grow to like one meter long, therefore be too big for a small duck to hold and fly at the same time.
In my opinion, Farfetched is still a duck at the end of the day, so it makes more sense to me that it was originally a flying type (because it's a bird). Galarian Farfetched adapted to the bigger leeks that made it change to the fighting type, since because it can't fly it needs to fight back, and only the ducks that are strong enough to fight back with a giant leek are able to not get eaten and therefore develop into the Galarian Form. But I guess both ways around make sense.
I LOVE learning more about Pokémon origins and this is a super fun way to explore regional variation!
GOOD GOD PRAGMAGIK I FIND YOU EVERYWHERE(also I’m subbed)
You're not learning anything from this video.
The info in this video is mostly wrong though
Zoologist here it's still a variation aka sub-species its just another local origin is true there is always an origin that starts the branch in witch they adapt to new environments and habits but it's not meaning its a lie just means where you start from is what form you know it as and anywhere else is just another form it's prospective.
My theory with the legendary birds is that the to forms are either distantly related, or not related at all. I think the people of Galar heard stories and descriptions of the elemental birds and when they saw the Galarian ones they were assumed to be the same. It's the same way the mountain lion got it's name. The man who discovered them heard descriptions of what a lion looked like (No photographs back then) and thought the giant tawny cat he found looked like he imagined it.
That's what is supposed to be implied in the Galarian dex entries.
Gnoggin did a video covering this and that's my personal headcanon and that's also what I think the games are implying when they say that's how they got their names
Yeah Some kid in galar was just stupid just like every kid in real life. They are related however since mew is a ancestor to every mon exept arceus
It's not a theory it's expressly said
*looks at galarian slowbro*
"Spill the beans."
Galarian SlowBro:"I'm the original Slowbro ok! I confessed please just don't hurt me! I have a family!"
@@FTChomp9980 lol
The one thing I disagree with: shinies are not “Pokemon changing their forms over time” imo. They’re very rare, and regular Pokémon don’t just become shiny. This lends to the explanation that shinies are genetic abnormalities or abberations.
Edit: actually no I also disagree with a few of these haha. I think it’s very difficult to say that one particular form came before another except for very few cases that are specifically mentioned in game or implied otherwise. In real life, there are many cases of animals and genetic mechanisms that are nearly identical and evolved at the same time but in different places completely seperate from one another; I believe it’s called divergent evolution. I think that could be the case for a lot of these except the ones that specifically mention being Pokémon that were brought around the world to other places, like the Alolan Rattata which would imply the Kanto Ratatta was the original.
I always viewed shiny pokemon as just an ingame thing for the most part. I mean, it is a feature introduced in gen2, when nobody could anticipate the longevity that the series would have, to put some more flavour into the game and I don't think Game Freak actually thought about explaning shinies or making sense to them (excluding Red Gyarados, that is the only one that indeed have a reason behind).
@@tezminator that gives even more reason against Hoops point about the Galarian birds’ shiny forms being “them changing due to exposure to the other birds” or whatever haha. I’m sure your reason was the actual reason, but now for lore reasons I believe it is a genetic abnormality
@@wolfiemuse oh yeah, I definitely don't agree with him on the legedary bird thing hahaha in fact, I've read somewhere else that these dex entries about their names are just referencing the visual similarities and unique traits (freezing glare, zap sounding feathers and burning aura) between them and that there isn't a relation of any kind, which makes a lot of sense to me. As for the lorewise reason for shinies, it probably is what you said about genetic abnormalities.
@@tezminator yeah! Someone commented that their dex entries implies that they were only NAMED after the Kanto birds due to their similarities. So they are totally different species
what a fake fan
They’re still technically variants it’s just which ones are the original versus the most common being a invasive species off shoot.
Its the other way around. The galarian birds are named after the kantonian ones and they arent even a related species, its just a call back to traits from the originals.
They officially confirmed that some of the hisuian forms came after their original forms, for instance when they revealed H Zorua and Zoroark they said that after being pushed out of their home region they transformed into the ghost and normal type we have today. With H Braviary it says they came and changed from the harsh environments of Hisui. So some of the hisuian forms evolved from the forms we already know. This is one reason I hate it when people say these Pokémon are extinct because the game is set in the past. It is a mainseries game so they are not gonna make new mons and restrict them because the time setting. Plus if they only appear in future games through time travel in the lore that would mean that none of the Pokémon are truly wild Pokémon. They would all have been caught, it kinda ruins it. Plus since these forms came from the forms we already have that wouldn’t make sense to say they are extinct yet the og forms aren’t.
Yeah, I think the main issue with Legends Arceus and the Gen 4 remakes is that should have been combined into one game. Yet eventually we will see these Pokémon catchable in violet and scarlet since they will need to appear in the Gen 9 competitive scene.
So we can already state that all the Legends Arceus Pokémon will be native to the Gen 9 region.
Yes, but we don't have ANY of these pokémon in the current Sinnoh, so most of them may be extinct.
two of them definitely Wyrdeer and Overqwil, because they were hunted,
another that is more dubious is Basculegion. Yes, sure it isn't optimal for a whole school to die in order to create one of them, but isn't that what makes it stronger technically? I mean, compared to Unova Basculin, Basculegion is pretty strong
Also one of them that definitely STILL exists somewhere else is Enamorus, due to the "flighty"
nature of the forces of nature
during the changes of seasons
@@bodgmasterxionobst3r983 They'll eventually be retconned into modern Sinnoh in the Let's Go remake years from now.
@@bodgmasterxionobst3r983 We don’t have any of these Pokémon in current Sinnoh because they retconned them in. This was the issue of making a game set in the past because plotholes were bound to be created. Your theories are are still cool though!
@@zenvariety9383 Probably
For meowth, the same arguement about the coloration of their coins can be used the other way around. Why not suggest it got darker to compete with and join the seafaring people who were likely vikings? It seems more logical to me to assume that Kanto meowth was the original.
Definitely is the case for Alolan Meowth tho, it adapted after Meowths were brought in Alola
@@bodgmasterxionobst3r983 For this case I was refering to Galarian Meowth and Kanto Meowth
All of the arguements can be used the other way around. This guy has no clue.
Yeah iirc the dex entries pretty much flat out state that Kanto meowth is the original
Unless the Vikings wanted their coins for money or something, I can't think of why they'd care about the color of it
I'm not buying it about Mr. Mime. It's not a mime in Galar, it's a tap dancer. The rest of this makes a good deal of sense, though.
I'm pretty sure that the Mr. Mime and Mr. Rime of Galar are modeled to look like Charlie Chaplin's famous character, the Tramp, who was known to dance and shuffle around like that as well as being a mime of sorts... it is quite possible that the Galarian mr. mime is the original and when brought to a new land lost it's desire to dance around because it wasn't attracting enough attention so it began to copy human mimes to attract attention to itself...
I think you're taking the pokemon's description of the Galarian legendary birds too literal. They're not saying, for example, Kanto's Zapdos is called Zapdos because the Galarian counterpart came first and got its name due to its wings crackling like thunder. It's explaining why a Pokemon that isn't electric type has or share the name "Zapdos" with its Kanto counterpart. The same can be said of the other two as well.
Not gonna lie chief this was a dud. Especially with meowth it became steel type because of its adventures. It didn't start out as this. And even the alolan variant branch is directly linked to kanto meowth. And 2 the safari some point that place also functions as a conservation area. Wouldn't it make more sense that the pokmon found there are just critically endangered pokemon in their own region and not all imported?
with the exception of exeggutor, most of these theories don't really hold up. meowth for instance, if how dark the coin is determines how much respect they have, it would make more sense that the coins would start light and become darker over time and not the other way around. and if galarian farfetch'd was the original, then there's no explanation as to how they got from galar to Kanto because it doesn't have the flying type. most of the other theories have huge holes in them too but those are the biggest ones worth mentioning
Let's not forget the first regional varient we were actually introduced to. The unsung hero. Arbok
I feel like the same name-giving-traits can be derived from their Kanto forms, also. (The legendary birds)
It says that in their Galar Ian forms Pokédex entries saying they got their names from the kanto legendary birds
A question comes to mind why did the original variants lose their dark, steel and fairy typing by becoming a regional variant?
You also forgot to mention Corphish, as it was the original Pokemon to explicitly noted to be a regional variant of the original from unknown region
Hope we get a regional Corpish soon
Honestly, I kinda agree with his theory on meowth since if the Alolan royalty that bought the imported meowths gave them a more relaxed lifestyle that they were use too, it would then explain the evolution into Persian instead of Perrserker. Not to mention how the pokedex implies a spectrum of personalities between kantonian Persian as a refined and elegant pokemon, Alolan Persian not being above fighting dirty, and Perrserker living for the thrill of battle.
Side note: I just realized that Kantonian Persian is the "Noble and Refined Knight", Alolan Persian is the "Scrappy Rogue", and Perrserker is the "Bloodthirsty Barbarian".
Cool perspective
But then we have to remember that the Galarian meowth were't Steele type nor a "bloodthirst barbarian" they addapted to live with vikings. Só euther way we could've two options se either had a diferrent meowth from the kantonian one or the "of" meowth was/is the kantonian one.
@@tfcast1977 well it could be that meowth came to be on the icy Galar region were theirs a whole lot of ice like the crown tundra and used their steel type to survive the ice and as Alola and Kanto aren’t as cold they lost the Steel type
I’ve got my eye on you Ninetails, you better not be one of those original forms that’s pretending to be a variant you sneaky Kitsune.
I kinda want them to be the og I rather Alolan Ninetales more than kantonian Ninetales
I love watching videos like these they're so interesting
I disagree with the farfetch'd. In terms of evolution, we've had a more recent history of migratory birds turning into flightless birds. Farfetch'd being hunted for being delicious and carrying leeks could very much have happened in Galar as well. The evolutionary path then could be that those who are docile were the ones caught and cooked. Whereas those who carried bigger leeks and those who were more aggressive thrived. Those traits were passed on for generations until they lost their flight becames aggressive and had culture of being combat centric. And the leek selection adaptation became so exaggerated that it became crucial to their evolution to Sirfetch'd.
If the opposite is true, that Galarian Farfetch'd were the original form, it's unlikely that a culture of eating them would bave developed since they're so aggressive and combat oriented.
I’ve been lied to. I feel like a chump!
We've been played lol
We didn't see it coming by a long shot.
Gogoat Has Not Been Catchable In Any Game Other Than X/Y.
_Sand_ Shrew is somehow a snow monster. This alone indicates the dumbness of a lot of these regional variants from a conceptual level. And no, its Japanese name doesn't help here: Its Japanese name is just the English word Sand.
Well the ground type version is obviously the original while the ice and steel type one is the variant that was born on Alola after sandshrew were introduced to the region and made their way to Mount Lanakila where they adapted to their new environment. The name simply remained the same despite it undergoing a significant change because ultimately the pokemon is the same.
@@digitalgloop12 I'm saying the _name_ doesn't make sense to continue applying to this variant of the monster, cute as the little igloo is.
Ayy for real, hoops Pokémon remixes are really quality! I be putting them on while I study; I have horrible ADD and can’t have music with words playing when I study, and it just helps me rip through my work. Highly recommend!
I think calling anything the "original" version is kind of shallow thinking to begin with. With the exception of rapid speciation events and selective breeding, there have likely been genetic changes to both forms from their last common ancestor. One form may be more basal than the other but it will still be different.
I honestly think Farfetch'd would be the opposite. After being nearly wiped out in Kanto, it makes sense that it would migrate to another area and then using the larger leeks of its new home, develop itself to fight off any new threats. If Galarian Farfetch'd was the original form, it wouldn't make much sense for a hardened fighter to devolve into a weaker version. If anything, once people started hunting it, it would likely train itself to be even stronger
You could also argue that the more aggressive species was brought to a new country without natural predators. As it's not a predator itself it could have evolved to become more docile, losing its fighting typing. The smaller leeks also likely allowed these creatures to use their strong wings to actually fly.
I like the fact that regional variants were introduced in games in gen 7,while in the anime,we've always seen a few of them in orange islands,sure the games and anime are different but it doesn't change the fact we've been a few different forms of pokemon in the past that we'll sadly never get in the games
Hoops I don’t like how much sense you’re making…… I love it
I actually discovered your channel because I recognized your name from spotify. Your music is fantastic.
A small nitpick
You can also get Exeggcute on one of the Sevii Islands in FrLg
What I like about this is that the Sevii Islands already have more tropical (Hoennian) Pokémon than mainland Kanto does, so it fits Exeggutor.
I have just got to watch this video from you and love the info you provided. I haven’t noticed a follow up video but would love one for the husian forms now arceus is out and finished leading to Violet and Scarlet
Really like this, especially the Farfetch'd one and Meowth ideas
You got the Meowth out of order. Galarian is first. Iron. Unrefined. Wild or feral. Then comes Standard Meowth. The lighter gold is less pure, less refined. Domesticated. Alolan Meowth has a more brilliant golden charm, thus the most domesticated.
So, yeah. Metallurgy.
Bird trio seems like a massive reach
Most of the points that are brought Up are a reach, since most of them apear in multiple regions in their original Forms. And animals in the real world Change Out of necessity, which means they adapt to added pressures ( Predators etc.) or new resources(uncontested foodsource etc.) or the Lack of those. But the lack of those only leads to Changes If the original specifications of abbilties and the Body require much to keep them Up. Galrian zigzagoon faced harsh competion in galar, so it loses those specifications in regions where it faces less competion. Alolan Exeggutor Lacks the resources For it original Form due to different climates. Alolan Sandslash and Ninetales came to alolan and had to adapt to a niche that wasnt occupied For example
Great video hoops. Can you make a video or answer a question on who in the pokemon universe decides what type they are as they use moves of different types might be interesting to figures out how they came on this
For the Kanto Safari Zone... perhaps some Pokémon originally from Hoenn and Sinnoh were imported into Kanto and had to adapt?
Perhaps Oddish is originally from Hoenn and ended up becoming invasive in Kanto?
The thing is, Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, and Sinnoh are all based on Japan. Even in universe I believe they are a single nation- National Pokedex used to mean something, and Unova was the first outside of them. So they likely aren't adapting to their native home
Personally I think a lot of the Hisuian variants and evolutions eventually went extinct for some reason. For example, white striped Basculin likely went extinct because it was so timid, meaning Basculegion also went extinct since there were no more white striped Basculin to evolve into it. The Hisuian Zorua line likely evolved (in the real world sense) to become their Unovan forms to fit in better with the mote modern and less mythological Unova region, possibly to more easily trick people with their illusions. The Hisuan Sneasel line and Kleavor likely went extinct due to changes in Hisui's mineral content, as referenced by Sneasel's Pokédex entries. Kleavor likely stopped evolving from Scyther due to Black Augurite becoming rarer. Pokémon like Ursarang and Stantler likely stopped evolving into Ursaluna and Wyrdeer due to eventually living in a less harsh environment due to humans settling into Hisui. Similarly, Hisuian Goodra and Sligoo likely no longer needed their tough shells in order to survive in their environment. The Hisuian Voltorb line probably stopped taking the shape of apricorns and instead took the shape of Poké Balls in order to better camouflage themselves as the world became more industrialized. It's pretty fun coming up with these kinds of theories.
Some of those don't line up with what we know though. Hisuian Zorua resulted from Zorua from other regions dying out in Hisui and resurrecting as Ghost types, meaning that the Zorua found in Unova, Kalos, etc. likely already existed. Given their general dislike of other life forms, Hisuian Zorua may have simply left Hisui as it got more settled. Ursaring and Stantler require a special item and move respectively to evolve, which we simply haven't had access to in the modern games (Peat Blocks in particular probably became rarer as marshes got smaller), and Hisuian Sliggoo and Goodra didn't get those shells out of need so much as due to the high mineral content of Hisui's waters compared to other regions they are found in.
@@Ryodraco isnt it also mentioned that loneliness causes their goo to harden like a shell? Which is why they look so sad?
Zorua and Zoroark from Unova already existed before, plus saying they went extinct doesn’t make sense because that would mean that other Sinnoh Pokémon should have gone extinct as well. It is a simple retcon because this is a modern game set before the previous entries in the series, for example fairy type is in the game. They didn’t think about lore implications from having new forms in this game, but they will probably just exist and be apart of the present time setting kinda like when they introduced the fairy type and acted like it was there the whole time.
@@Ryodraco I don’t like how everyone says they went extinct when it was never officially confirmed and it doesn’t really make sense lore wise because it would mean that the other Sinnoh mons should have gone extinct.
@@Ryodraco Ursaring and Stantler will probably keep their evolutions in Gen 9. It's sort of obvious that all of the Legends Arceus Pokémon will be native to Gen 9 in form or another.
Great video! I think the Great Marsh is more of a nature preserve of what was already there and that’s why it wouldnt have pokemon imported into it. Also I dont really think the word variant means not the original it just means different from others of that species
The Rattata line contradicts this as they were imported from somewhere (Kanto) to eradicate the Yungoos population, unless, they came from a THIRD unknown as of now region (possibly the 9th?) into Alola, so either the Kantonian ones ARE the original or we WILL see a 3rd type of Rattata/Raticate eventually which is what the Alolan one USED TO LOOK LIKE before adapting to the new environment, but even that would make MORE sense for a normal type to do, the blank slate adapts to something new, rather than, for example, a fire type form in one generation/region changing to the dark type in Alola.
How does Zigzagoon fit into your idea of the Safari Zones? Zigzagoon doesn't appear in ANY Safari Zone...
The Legendary Birds and the Meowth are all just conjecture.
What about Yungoos? It's explicitly stated to be an introduced species, so the Alolan Yungoos is not its native form.
Maybe if they have an Africa themed region they can make Yungoos native there, perhaps with a new evolution called Yumongoos
Ever time a new region comes out they change the pokemon Lore which I hate. The regional variant I think they adapt to their region just like in real life how animals adapt to the region also
even without a regional variant, it's very likely that the ralts line originated in sinnoh because they're more easily found there (5 routes, vs 1 route in hoenn and 1 in kalos), plus the fact that gallade was first introduced in sinnoh
... actually, it makes sense for the snorunt line to have originated in sinnoh too, since snow routes + the dawn stone
I think that the main joke of Game Freak about regional forms is “they can only present in their own region, why not add them to the next ones?”
Thank you for the video.
Yeahhhh. Good video. But holy moly you made a lot of leaps that just took me out like a quarter of the way though lol. I was really into this. But after the first few minutes I realized I was watching fanfic lmao
Great video like always. Love to see the effort people like you put to educate others.
So Kanto took a bunch of Pokémon from different regions then called dibs/first on discovering them and adding to the Pokédex
I follow you for a long time on Spotify, but I have to say your music is kind of similar to Glitch city and those remixes are fire
I knew I couldn't trust that vulpix.....
Was it ever stated that the regional variants were or were not the original forms? I don't recall that lore in the games.
I disagree with galarian Meowth being the original theory because it's stated that the kantonian Meowth were sent to a different region and they adapted to their new surroundings. but it's MY OPINION, everyone else has different opinions. just saying to not start a discussion.
A. Vulpix has an older, "ancestral" name from the natives in Alola "Keokeo". This is why you can find/get an A. Vulpix/A. Ninetales in Legends: Arceus//Arceus.
*A. Vulpix > K. Vulpix*
G. Meowth is the OLDEST version of the Meowth species, which implies Persian is a more modern mutation//change to Perrserker. This goes a step further with A. Meowth and A. Persian, as they were imported to Alola SPECIFICALLY for royalty//wealthy families. The classic "Garfield" big heads and more rounded ears is due to a smaller gene pool, a.k.a. A. Meowth/A. Persian are purposefully inbred on the Islands of Alola--at least until you release your Breed-jects.
*G. Perrserker > K. Persian > A. Persian*
Exeggutor grow short and stubby in Kanto due to the climate not supporting its full form, whereas Alola is perfect. Now, A. Exeggutor *COULD POSSIBLY* exist in Hoenn, but that is doubtful, while Hoenn feels more tropical, its still within the climate influences of Kanto, Johto, and Sinnoh, which are all extremely cold relatively to Alola.
*A. Exeggutor > K. Exeggutor*
Sandshrew and Sandslash, conversely, are stated in Alola and Galar, to originate from Deserts, then in Alola, adapted to utilizing ice to defend themselves over dirt and sand. Also, their names being "Sandshrew" and "Sandslash" point to a definite origin in the desert.
*K. Sandshrew > A. Sandshrew*
Zigzagoon can only run in "Zig-zag patterns", while Linoone can only run in straight "Lines". This behavior is left over from their ancestors in Galar who ran in all directions, but who also had another Evolution--Obstagoon. Obstagoon chooses to not move, and instead acts as a barrier, an obstacle--Much like the invisible Kecleon in Hoenn.
*G. Obstagoon > H. Zigzagoon*
Sirfetch'd does seem to be the original Farfetch'd ancestor. Modern Farfetch'd are quite "rare" in their "Home" Region of Kanto, and there's not many in Johto, but the Farfetch'd of Galar are so abundant and common, that it would seem absurd that their Kanto cousins would've Evolved first.
*G. Farfetch'd > K. Farfetch'd*
An example of a KNOWN newer Evolution comes in the form of Darmanitan & Darumaka. From the burning desert, Darmanitan was used to guard Temples and ancient Settlements, and had a mastery over Fire. When angered, they would throw fists wreathed in flames, but could also meditate to enhance their 'spiritual abilities'... There was an expedition into the Tundra of Galar where it was discovered that there were Darmanitan whose specialized "Fire Organ" had gone dormant, while still existing within these Pokémon, seemingly had no use. These Pokémon had adapted to utilize Ice and their raw Physical abilities to protect their young. When they are in battle, some Darmanitan can Activate a similar "Zen Mode" that reawakens their Fire Organ from being dormant.
*U. Darumaka > G. Darumaka*
Feasibly, Unovan and Galarian Yamask as well as Cofagrigus and Runerigus could've Evolved at the same time, in nearly the same ways. These Variants are nearly similar, more so than even Kantonian and Alolan Raichu... these Pokémon are simply spirits residing in different objects-a sarcophagus and a rune stone, respectively. Maybe one could even destroy the "body" of one, and it would then adapt and move into the other object?... *One can only ponder...*
*Cofagrigus || Runerigus*
Ok I’m sure this is a nice comment but I’m not reading more than one paragraph, much less FIVE.
Sorry just recounted it’s actually EIGHT. I never actually counted the original number was just a huess
Pls explain the Paldean and Hisuian Pokemon.
@@DonoZeek
It's much easier to do Hisui, as the Arceus game takes place roughly 300~ years in the past.
And there's ONLY "2"* (*4~) Paldean Variants.
@@DonoZeek
*H. Growlithe > K. Growlithe*
Based on the Foo Dog/Lion//Sheshe statues, they used to have large ornate horns. These horns were fragile compared to the rest of the statue, and made the statues harder to mass produce. So, reflected in Hisui, the Pokémon slowly had the rock elements bred out, and they became Fluffier-possibly because the only Canine-like Pokémon shared between Kanto & Hisui are Growlithe, Vulpix, and Eevee.
*H. Voltorb > K. Voltorb*
Voltorb naturally occurs in the Wild, and were originally wood, or wood-like, resembling Apricorns. They took on the coloration of Hisui's Poké Balls after spending time in the Villages//around People. They would get excited and explode, causing the Villagers to become fearful and shoo them away. This caused them to become enraged and over time, they grew resentful of people. This is purely reflected in their modern descendants who explode without any kind of warning.
*H. Goodra > Kl. Goodra*
The Goomy line has always been shy, or even introverted. In the past, they had large steel shells that they could use for defense-obviously, but they can also roll around like wheels when hidden within these shells. Their modern Kalos counterparts have nearly lost these shells completely. However, their toxic abilities have nearly doubled in potency since losing these shells.
*H. Avalugg > Kl. Avalugg*
While Hisui is cold, the climate hasn't given Avalugg enough time to become fully encased in its iceberg. It could be the case that Kalosian Avalugg ALSO has the rocky body like their Hisuian Ancestors, but we can never know for sure.
*H. Zoroark > U. Zoroark*
You could easily believe the Hisui Evolved FROM the Unova, but we learn that Zorua is actually a spirit that was reborn, the Species was wiped out before the Arceus game, but then through sheer spite alone-they came back from beyond the grave. Their Ghost-Type persists through their descendants through their Ability, "Illusion".
*H. Braviary > U. Braviary*
At some point, Hisuian Braviary existed alongside Corviknight. We learn this from a Flying Taxi "pilot" in Galar-they originally planned to use Braviary, but they used to be too wild. Hisuian Braviary is described as being much more wild and aggressive, even more than the Unovan Variant. They must've slowly lost this aggression later though.
*H. Lilligant || U. Lilligant*
The Lilligant of Hisui have exceptionally strong legs, and are constantly dancing along precarious mountain paths. Their burning spirit manifests as they dance, and powers up their dancing even more. Whereas modern-Unovan Lilligant have lost this edge and dance softly/subtly. They have become much smaller as well, but the healing herbs they grow have become stronger in turn.
*H. Qwilfish > J. Qwilfish*
The aggression of Hisuian Qwilfish was potentially bred out, or even they had no reason to continue to Evolve as they migrated further South in Kanto/Johto's waters. After they lost the Ability to Evolve into Overqwil, they eventually returned to Sinnoh's modern waters, where Sharpedo, Garchomp, and Crawdaunt have kept them from unlocking their Evolution in modern times.
*H. Basculin || U. Basculin*
These are strange, because they're not "technically" Variants, and instead are treated as simply another "Form". Laventon classifies Hisui's Basculin as a Regional Variant due to their shy, timid natures, and the fact that he hasn't been able to find/obtain evidence of the Red or Blue Stripe Forme in Hisui's waters. The ONLY other difference between these "variants" is that Unova's modern Basculin can't Evolve. It's unknown why, but it could be because in the 'past' (BW) Unova was extremely isolated, and outside Pokémon weren't allowed into the Region. But 2 years after this discovery (B2W2), many other predator Pokémon have begun to populate the outer ocean/waters, and Basculin still 'rules' over the rivers and streams of Unova, even without Evolving.
*Wyrdeer*
Their excess fur was used as clothing and they can only Evolve with the close bond of a trainer. However, it seems in Paldea, we might be able to find them in the DLC.
*Ursaluna*
The power of the Moon has always been connected to the Teddiursa line. In Hisui, when you're in the Crimson Mirelands during a Full Moon, your Ursaring can undergo Evolution when you use a Peat Block on it. The strange rays of the moon activate the dormant genes of Ursaring's Ground-Type system, and it Evolves. We may Evolve it a different way in Paldea.
*H. Decidueye > A. Decidueye*
*H. Typhlosion > J. Typhlosion*
*H. Samurott || U. Samurott*
@@gabriellockwood2780 how did you get these? I tried finding but I couldn't find.
My theory is that arcanine was designed to be a rock type since it was going to be a legendary in gen 1 and the infamous scene in the anime where "the 4 legendary pokemon" are shown in the museum has the legendary birds in their respective type colors while arcanine is shown in a rock/ground type brownish color.
Uhhh... It's based on shisha / komainu
With the Galatian birds, i feel it's more likely that they're separate unrelated species entirely. I say this because they're basically discovered by you and Peony. Peony read about the legendary birds of Kanto and heard tales of them possibly being in Galar. He asks you to investigate and you come back with these things. And when you speak to him after catching each one, he's hesitant to believe that these are what he read about at first. But hes no professor so he can't really discredit you. So he goes with what you say in a way that sounds like
"well I guess you're right ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ "
Knowing this, to me the Pokedex entries really just sound like the player and Peony trying extra hard to justify why these completely different pokemon are somehow the legendary birds of Kanto. I mean because each of the descriptions sound incredibly forced, big leaps in logic that can only be accomplished by a dad and his teenage employee
I agree with you(and several other commenters here) that it makes no sense for the Galarian birds to be the originals. They are most likely just separate species that got named after the Kanto birds. Normally, I like Hoops' theories, but he kind of lost me on this video. Most of his theories don't make sense, imo.
I love fans making 'random thing that was just cooked up because cool,' work into the world. Videos like yours are what makes these games even more fun outside of just the mechanics.
That's gotta be one of my least favourite theories. It could only work if these Pokémon weren't catchable in the wild in any of the previous regions
In the anime it says that meowth weren’t native to alola until someone brought one from kanto
Wouldn’t Kalos be a more fitting homeland for Mr. Mime than Galar? Because French mimes…
If Mr.Mime came from Galar, it's name wouldn't be a Mr.Mime because galarian Mr.Mime is a tap dancer.
In generation 2 the safari zone is closed and all the Pokémon in it can be found in the wild across Kanto and Johto which may seem to discredit this theory at first but I think that because gen 2 follows gen 1 chronologically, it makes sense that when the owner of the safari zone went on vacation, he let loose the Pokémon inside allowing them to spread across the regions
or the galarian birds are a form of convergent evolution. they are not the legendary bird trio or related at all nor do they have anything to do with them they just so happen to look alike. and coincidentally have the same name.
Ok but when are we getting og corphish? Idk if you have I feel like it. But doing a video on og forms we HAVENT seen would be cool. You could do updated as copperjah is one of them now as well
The Great Marsh is considered to be a Safari Zone too Bro 😎.
Hoops I love how your content gives conspiracy energy, but it’s focused around pokemon, so it’s nothing to actually worry about
I don’t normally root for regional variants, but i think the concept has always fascinated me. Ninetales, Zoroark, Exeggutor, Cursola, etc, some are goofy but they are all neat af.
On the subject of the Safari Zone in the Kanto region, what other Pokemon can be found there? Touros, and Chansey. Could it be possible that we're getting a Touros variant in the new Gen 9 games as well? I've been seeing some of the rumors from Riddler Khu.
The new region appears to be based on Iberia. Tauros ought to have something new there.
@@atanvardecunambiel8917 the Taurus picture on that kids shirt is Kanto Tauros and you’ll see what I mean just go and rewatch so we may get a future tauros but the past is regular
Would this mean that, according to the example of the birds, shiny Pokémon in general are a link between an original form and its variant?
The meowth theory is wrong because galarin meowth just turned to steel because of the rugged lifestyle of barbarins.
This makes sense for the most part. I think the only pokemon in the Kanto safari zone found elsewhere that's not an endgame cave is doduo. But it probably lives in Fushcia city and cycling road.
I agree with all of these! Wow you are smart!
3:20 no it isnt, cause the original forms also represent the origin of their names
Isn't the first ever pretty much confirmed regional variant is crawdaunt? If i remember correctly crawdaunt's dex entry mentioned that corpishes that made their way to the hoenn region evolved to look more like the region's top predator (reffering to sharpedo). It make sense since the type of both pokemon are the exact same, being dark-water and also the star on crawdaunt's head only appear on both sharpedo and garchomp (who might be related since they're both sharks). So crawdaunt might actually be the first ever regional variant.
As to why is it possible to have in other region, it might be because sharpedos are also in the same region. Maybe in the future we will get a crawdaunt that imitates a different top predator or one that doesn't imitate any.
Are the pokemon such as Clefairy and snubble regional variants as well? Within execution.
MY this thumbnail was so epic and yeah this video was pretty epic and good
I think it would be interesting if in gen 9 or whatever gen they do a regional form of a recent pokemon and then in more games the regional variant shows up more and it’s shown that the one we saw first is actually the rare regional version
I absolutely love the Kanto Meowth. It’s one of my top 5 favorites 😅
Maybe region of that went exinct by yetai but the space-time storm made the yetai went to come. Wonder how to return beside time-travel?
Galarian Meowth's steal type is 100% a pun on meowth's "Steal" type
I see Hisuian forms being in Scarlet and Violet as the first step towards variants beyond regions. They can have "ancestral variants". Time-based variants. Maybe future variants. Maybe Ultra Space variants. Maybe outer space variants. Or like "deep sea variants of some water types.
This is a great theory!!!!
This video was amazing! Its genuinely made regional variants that much more fun and interesting. I never thought about the how or why of regional variants, but you convinced me that there is some pretty interesting lore that can be deciphered.
I think shiny versions of the legendary birds went on to become the ones we first saw in Kanto
I hope by this logic then that both Tauros and Kangaskan get some regional love. Gen 9 is the perfect opportunity for it
That Might Actually Be The Case. Because A VERY Credible Leaker Has Hinted At The Fact That Tauros Might Be A Regional Form.
@Neo Alteisen oh that's true. I should've said some regional love down the road at some point. Maybe gen 10
Kangaskhan needs a preevolution and a male counterpart.
@@zenvariety9383 yeah I was thinking of something like that to. Was thinking it might be cool to have a male and they could be similar to betta fish where you cant keep them together or they fight
This video is the epitome of: "I thought about this more than the creators ever did."