First Time Listening To Pink Floyd - The Gunner's Dream (Reaction) : Behind the Curve Reacts!
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Ahh yes. The Final Cut. Much hated, but I absolutely love the entire album.
I can’t imagine how many hundreds of times I have listened to this album.
I never understood the hate for this album. I think that lyrically, it's far and away the best.
Fully agree Floyd’s most underrated album sadly
Me too! Always have.
Love this album. One of my absolute favourites
Brilliant track from a much underrated Pink Floyd album.
It's not really under rated, it's just not that great....up to their standards per sey. Its basically Vera & Bring the Boys Back Home repeated throughout. I mean it is The Wall throw aways with new lyrics. So much so, it's working title was "Spare Bricks".
@@jimo7593 The production, the emotion, the vocals, the flow, the sonic experience, and did I mention the writing? Oh boy the writing!! That's what I come to Pink Floyd for; and that's what you get with "The Final Cut". Different war different times inspired *some* of these lyrics. Sorry if the theme inconveniences some people. We can only long for the day when artists needn't be tortured by such subjects.. but such is life. It is what it is. This is a criminally underrated Pink Floyd album, imo. I put it right up there with "Animals"!!
@@jimo7593On the contrary, it’s The Wall elevated to a new artistic level, pulling out some of Gilmour’s greatest performances. There was nowhere else they could go with Waters after this point - none of them have surpassed it, collectively or individually.
This song reminds me of this wartime poem.
The Death of the Ball Turret Gunner
BY RANDALL JARRELL
From my mother’s sleep I fell into the State,
And I hunched in its belly till my wet fur froze.
Six miles from earth, loosed from its dream of life,
I woke to black flak and the nightmare fighters.
When I died they washed me out of the turret with a hose.
Wow! That's powerful.
It's so great to see more and more people appreciating this album. I stumbled on this lost album by Floyd in 2005 and it brought me to tears numerous times immediately. ITt might be the most emotionally impactful album in their entire catalogue
It mentions Angels 15. 15,000 feet where angels fly. A bomber s gunner is shot down and falling 15,000 feet to his death in the corner of some foreign field. While falling he relives his dream for the future.
Man. Still watching and commenting. That voice to sax blend has blown my mind for years.
You need to hear the whole album. :)
Exactly!!
Unpopular opinion: This is my favourite PF Song!
And my second favourite Album after The Wall.
It's weird, I'm normally more of a Dave Gilmour Fan than Roger Waters, but this album (and The Wall) are more Waters albums.
Also, i usually hate Saxophone. But here it brings a tear to my eye.
It's interesting that they put out their best work when they didn't get along...
This was supposed to be part of The Wall, if I remember right
@@balakrishnanlakshmanan9852 it's consists of tracks that were meant to be in The Wall but were cut
So good to see cuts from 'The Final Cut' getting a 'proper' reaction and this is an outstanding track. F.y.i., the title track is definitely worth checking out too..
My favorite album of all time.
A very under rated album...I love it!
the track final cut is amazing!
Masterpiece from a genius.
Absolutely love The Final Cut album, you just to listen it to it twice and follow the lyrics to really appreciate it. Its a great album. Listen to the whole album uninterrupted, feel the emotion in the music and immerse yourself in it, it is well worth it.
I adore this album with immense fervor.
Its personnal, intimate, tragic, frantic and furious.
It encapsulates the mind of Roger Waters more than any other Floyd record.
He then left in absolute clash with the rest of the band to pursue his own trail.
Check out the theme song, "Final Cut". Its a deep, painful emotional wound.
Indeed it is. A dream inside a dream inside a dream of a perception. Great stuff.
i don't normally listen to this album, much, but this is an incredible song
It’s a wrongly maligned album.
It’s an excellent album. But heavy and dour.
@@doscwolny2221 i agree. it is a great album. just hard to listen to
The gunner was literally falling from the sky into the corner of some foreign field
I really enjoyed your reaction. The final song on the album is Two Suns In The Sunset and is well worth your time.
Love this Album and most critics hate it.
...possibly the greatest sax break in rock history
It’s definitely up there it’s a much underrated instrument in the rock genre those who did use it were often very successful
Try the album Animals, for PF-antiestablishment at it's finest.
This^ 👏👏👏
I'm glad you enjoyed that!
I find it hard to listen to this album all the way through in one sitting, but when I hear the songs in isolation, individually, they are all amazing.
the final cut more please
Roger Waters is a Legendary Songwriter
I wonder how many people understand all the reference in the tracks from this album. Like the lines about bandsmen being blown up by remote control refers to an incident where the IRA detonated a bomb in Regents Park in London near a bandstand where military bandsmen were playing
not enough people react to roger waters' solo album...hardly anyone from what i've seen. something for you to consider.
The final cut is such an underrated album , but 40 years after its release it' is probably more relevant than any other album by Pink Floyd. It's not there finest creation but the message is more powerful than ever
Love it ĺove it masterpiece
Now listen to When the Tigers Broke Free. Same album. Do a lyrics version.
Good reaction sir. What an amazing band. The greatest of all time. If you haven't seen any of their live concerts, do yourself a favour and check them out. Wear 5 pair of socks because it'll blow them of your feet.
The Final Cut is probably the most devicive album among Pink Floyd fans. Those who enjoy David Gilmour's work tend not to like this album, but those who enjoy Roger Waters' work tend to love this album.
Personally i love this album as it shows off Roger Waters' vocal range and writing talent.
The Final Cut is practically classed as a Roger Waters solo album as the other members of Pink Floyd didn't play a major role in the album, and it was released on the same record label as Roger's solo albums instead of Pink Floyd's record label.
This album laid the foundations with it's quiet sections and loud vocals and instrumentals in Roger's later solo work to come, especially Amused To Death which (in my opinion) is the finest work Roger ever made, easily as good as any of his Pink Floyd albums, even the stellar Animals...but this is my own personal opinion of course.
Please check out Amused To Death (the title song from the album of the same name), and Dogs from the Animals album, you won't be disapointed.
Thanks.
Roger Waters is synonymous of the number one in the musical universe, as simple as that. Roger Waters forever.
It's Roger Waters debut album. Great album.
Pink Floyd played the music to this song and album but it's all Roger Waters. It's said on the covers " Music performed by Pink Floyd. Also P.F, last work with Roger.
Roger Waters's control got excessive, but it was far from completely without excuse and reason. That whole party line about "'The Final Cut' is a Roger Waters solo album in all but name" is one of the biggest misnomers in the history of Pink Floyd. That whole party line about "Pink Floyd broke up because Roger bad" is one of the biggest oversimplifications in the history of rock music, at least. Waters had to save Pink Floyd from falling into the black hole left by Syd Barrett's late 1967 breakdown. By their own admission, Richard Wright and David Gilmour had run out of great musical ideas and were even lazy, at least as early as the aftermath of "Wish You Were Here" in 1976. That alone was of little of Roger's fault. Almost 10 years of constantly doing gigs and writing and recording music and essentially filling the Barrett shaped hole was simply burning Wright and Gilmour out by 1975. Even Roger was struggling. All of the Floyds including Nick Mason were victims of the success of "Dark Side Of The Moon". All of their relationships with their childhood sweethearts ultimately broke down as a result. Even their mental health took a tumble in the mid-late '70s. Whilst it only partially, let alone fully, excuses Roger's behaviour, Roger Waters was also under terrible financial and record company pressure to complete "The Wall" in 1978-1979 as a result of Pink Floyd falling into crippling financial debt. This was because holdings company Norton Warburg had lost all of the Pink Floyd members' pension funds after investing them in an ill-fated series of ventures. Pink Floyd were also liable to pay back the back taxes as a result.
Gilmour's creative burnout was also partially due to the constant performing to rowdy audiences from June 1973 through July 1977 whom didn't really give a shit about Pink Floyd's music in that period and really only went to gigs to hear "Money" and would shout for "Money" until they got it. That at least alienated Waters and Gilmour from their audiences, whom prior to June 1973 were at least mostly loyal and respectful fans. Waters rightfully felt that he had to express all of his troubles about war, mental illness, alienation, greedy corporations, losing Syd, losing his dad and the loss of compassion within society as a whole and injustice. Waters is the best ever lyricist in my honest opinion, along with Barrett, whose own lyrics were wonderfully charming and whimsical. Waters was understandably afraid that if he didn't write about his troubles, Waters would become as burned out and ill as Barrett. Basically through little fault of Waters, the creative golden era of Pink Floyd was on borrowed time ever since things started to fall apart in late '73, during the troubled aftermath of "Dark Side Of The Moon" and its increasingly rowdy tour. Pink Floyd could easily have ended altogether back then, which would have especially spared Wright and Mason and their loved ones a lot of heartache and misery.
They are certainly awesome albums; "Dark Side Of The Moon", "Wish You Were Here", "Animals", "The Wall" and "The Final Cut"; and they are my favorite Pink Floyd albums. However, all these classics owe a lot to the wonderful and experimental pre-Dark Side records including Syd Barrett's wonderful baby, "The Piper At The Gates Of Dawn" especially in terms of the development, evolvement and refinement of the classic dark psychedelic and pastoral Pink Floyd soundscape beginning in songs such as "Astronomy Domine", "Pow R Toc H" and "Interstellar Overdrive". This evolution and refinement can easily be heard if one listens to all of the Pink Floyd albums in chronological order. Interestingly, that whole early Pink Floyd creative golden era from late 1965 through May 1973 was also when the camaraderie both within The Floyd and between The Floyd and their audience at gigs was at its strongest. The former camaraderie within Pink Floyd was shown to great effect in the 1972 "Live At Pompeii" film. The classic dark psychedelic and pastoral soundscape along with great musical ideas and Roger Waters's riveting lyrics and concepts are the vital things of Pink Floyd's magic, which is painfully absent from all of the post-Waters Pink Floyd albums.
I find it very fascinating that the long 1966-1983 creative golden era of Pink Floyd was able to last so long despite so much upheaval along the journey. Roger no doubt played a huge role in the great run. Before "Animals", Roger Waters originally excelled mostly as the lyricist, bassist, concept artist and occasional singer of Pink Floyd, however his musical composition and orchestration wisdom had increased dramatically through the 70s because of Roger's formerly fruitful musical partnerships with Syd, Nick Mason, Richard Wright, and David Gilmour. As these great musicians and writers had, in that same order, gradually all became burned out and ran out of a regular run of great musical ideas by the end of "Wish You Were Here's" creation, it was Roger whom through the lion share of the remaining creativity was able to keep Pink Floyd's creative golden era going for those precious if troubled final years of great albums and concerts, once again with that classic and magical blend of the dark psychedelic and pastoral soundscape and Roger's great musical ideas, riveting lyrics and concepts. Working with Ron Geesin in 1969-1970 on the "Atom Heart Mother" title track and "The Body" soundtrack, and later working with Michael Kamen and Bob Ezrin on "The Trial" and "The Wall" in general in 1979 further enriched Roger's musical composition and orchestration wisdom. For the most part, even Roger's solo albums and gigs are at least faithful and respectful to the 1966-1983 creative golden era of The Pink Floyd, musically and lyrically.
Everyone, including David Gilmour infamously, disses "The Final Cut" for using leftovers from previous Pink Floyd records like "The Wall". Another overblown statement! Pink Floyd were always adapting leftovers throughout their great career without any detrimental effect on their music! Everyone always has to whine about Richard Wright's absence on "The Final Cut" and even simply diss the album for that reason alone. Yet, what would Wright have done better on "The Final Cut"? Glorified 80s garbage like he did with Zee on their "Identity" album or a sterile new age/ambient/corporate rock cipher like Rick did with David Gilmour, Waters Hater Polly Samson and many other guest writers on "The Division Bell" and "Endless River"? That was all he could do in Pink Floyd's final years of 1980-1994. It's all well and good missing a great musician, yet what is the point of whining about someone missing from a given record if they couldn't have done anything themselves to make it better? Syd Barrett's absence certainly didn't stop albums like "Dark Side Of The Moon" and "Wish You Were Here" from being great, so why should Rick's absence have stopped "The Final Cut" from being great? If Wright and Gilmour really had such great musical ideas post-'75, allegedly left off "Animals" and "The Wall" and "The Final Cut" because of Waters, then why didn't they use them on any of "A Momentary Lapse Of Reason", "The Division Bell" or "Endless River", when Waters was no longer domineering? Instead, all we got post-Waters was mostly sterile ambient and/or sterile corporate rock dreck with only fading glimmers of past glories.
In addition to Pink Floyd becoming "a spent force, creatively" post-The Final Cut, Waters wanted to legally liquidate Pink Floyd following his '83 departure to stop them from becoming yet another corporate rock band like U2, Duran Duran, Status Quo and The Rolling Stones. Corporate rock was the very antitheses of Syd Barrett and Roger Waters's musical vision of Pink Floyd. Both Syd and Roger wanted to create music for art's sake and to express what matters to them. Gilmour had that mindset originally but post-The Final Cut, he fell into the greedy trap of filling stadiums and cashing in the brand. Yes, in the good old days with Syd Barrett and all the way from the UFO Club in 1966/1967 to "Wish You Were Here" in 1975 Rick was an insanely awesome and epic composer, keyboard player and singer to the extent of being Barrett's and Gilmour's musical soulmate and combined with each of them in turn, the musical heart of classic Pink Floyd but Rick became burned out and ran out of great musical ideas by time "Animals" started in 1976. As a result of this creative burnout combined with him succumbing to the same aforementioned alienation of performing at the rowdy '75 and '77 gigs, Rick even wanted out of the band in both 1975 and 1977 but every time, however, the greedy record company executives coerced poor Rick to stay which only set the poor guy up for a fall which cost him his mental health and his marriage to his childhood sweetheart. Continued below.
Continued from above. And so during his final years in the Pink Floyd creative golden era on "Animals" and "The Wall" in 1979, Rick was only barely playing whatever Gilmour or Waters wrote for him. Same for "A Momentary Lapse Of Reason" in 1987, which itself was more glorified 80s garbage, not from the fault of Rick but from the fault of Gilmour and many other guest writers and guest musicians. This along with the rubbish half load of songs from his 1984 "About Face" album also shows how little Gilmour could have contributed to "The Final Cut" other than playing whatever Waters wrote for him. As with Wright, Gilmour's best era musically and creatively was the early golden era of Pink Floyd of 1968-1975. "The Final Cut" came out in 1983, right in the middle of the 80s music wasteland. Yet, thanks especially to Roger Waters with his maturing wisdom for bittersweet melodies and moving lyrics and emotional vocals and with help from Gilmour on his trusty guitars and especially the beautiful keyboard and orchestral arrangements from Michael Kamen and Andy Bown, "The Final Cut" has such a timeless and special sound that it's not just the best album of its era but in my honest opinion one of the best Pink Floyd albums ever and fittingly the last album of the Pink Floyd creative golden era of 1966-1983.
** Edit ** I'm sorry, I had to post this last bit of my fleshed out and edited post separate because stupid youtube wouldn't let me post the whole thing in one post.
In my honest opinion I consider The Final Cut one of the best Pink Floyd albums and the last album from the long 1966-1983 golden era of Pink Floyd.
Also, my honest opinion the following are the Magnificent Seven Pink Floyd albums:-
1) Wish You Were Here
2) Dark Side Of The Moon
3) Meddle
4) The Final Cut
5) Animals
6) The Wall
7) Obscured By Clouds
All of these albums through both emotional music and lyrics are ultimately teachings about the best aspects of humanity; peace, friendship, well-being, love and compassion but they also warn about the various terrible things that can destroy them; tyranny, cruelty, capitalism, fascism, The Man, The System, The Machine, hatred, prejudice, indifference, social ostracism, bad teachers, hostile societies, social division and inequalities, modernity, bigotry, power, war and greed. Fundamentally all of the best Pink Floyd albums have this escapism vibe and as the great genius Roger Waters himself once put it in a discussion about Wish You Were Here, they are also about "how fucking miserable it (fucked-up modern human society, injustice and tragedy) all is".
I also consider all of the pre-Meddle Pink Floyd albums honorable Pink Floyd classics thanks to their pastoral psychedelic and whimsical music and/or lyrics and even far-out experimentation. As awesome as "The Magnificent Seven Pink Floyd" albums however, they still owe a lot to The Piper At The Gates Of Dawn, A Saucerful Of Secrets, More, Ummagumma, the rare Zabriskie Point and Atom Heart Mother. I love all of the 1966-1983 golden era Pink Floyd albums.
However I believe the true Pink Floyd magic is gone after Roger Waters's 1983 departure. Even with Richard Wright's return in varying capacity, A Momentary Lapse Of Reason, The Division Bell and The Endless River albums sound clinical and without the true Pink Floyd magic, these 3 near Ambient and at least in the case of AMLOR even corporate albums are in effect the end products of the Pink Floyd cog of "The Machine".
Exquisito. Te amo Roger Waters!!! Eternamente agradecido de verte en vivo en River Plate.
Beautiful, personal album for Roger. Originally titled "Spare Bricks". This is technically Rogers first solo LP. David performs on only 2 songs and Rick is not on it at all. It was released under the name Pink Floyd, but, this is far from a true Pink Floyd album, But, again, as a beautifully crafted Roger solo LP. Severely underrated.