Automatic Old School HSS Drill Sharpening Machine
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- čas přidán 12. 09. 2024
- Starting our old HSS drill sharpener machine after couple years with out any use. It sharpens drills from 10mm to 100mm and you can adjust multiple variables to suit different materials and drills.
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We have been taking last couple weeks bit easier and try to have some summer holiday. At least the weather is pretty summery right now since it has been about +30 c for whole week :D But on next week I do some upgrades to Smashinator and we will start to do bit more demanding stuff again.
Beyond the press so that means in Finland it is cold as hell in winter and way to hot in sommer? How can you live like this?
Barely
I yep'd the like button immediately during the intro cause I have confidence in you guys. Also I bet 30c is also quite humid in Finland. No humidity here (10%) but its supposed to be +40c for the next few days. So glad you are taking some time for yourselves, you deserve it!
it's actually quite dry, around 30% at middle of they day. But night are 90% and 18-20c so it's pretty sweatty :D And since we don't have ac in our home it's about 27c indoors during the night and we have are sleeping in tent at our backyard :D
The heat record for Reykjavik has been 14.2 degrees this summer. Give us our heat back.
I have been a fitter and turner for about 35 years and I was taught how to sharpen drills by hand, mostly because there was NOT a decent drill sharpening device that actually worked. The machine you have is special, I have never seen anything like it AND it works Beautifully. It was giving two identical flute shavings when drilling, THAT says it is perfect.
yeah the 2 chips were perfectly equal, probably better than a new drill bit
That's what I noticed too. The uniformity of the chips was perfect. I've never seen a machine like this either. I hope he realizes how special it is.
then you must know that the angle that cuts has to be at like 10 degrees to prevent friction and therefor heating up, the way he does it, this machine does it is wrong in all ways you look at it if you have done any drilling or sharpened them ever + this wasnt excactly a drill to use without drilling with a smaller one first which he did in this video, you need alot more force to drill the hole + mroe friction again and easier damaging of the drill
sirrcheese roels This machine obviously cuts the relief angle, It wouldnt cut like that with no relief angle. If this is what you mean.
Same here Scott, machinist 43 yrs and only used 1 big drill sharpener that actually gave a good point. That baby is worth its weight in Gold, perfect equal chips and dia was most likely good as well. Sometimes old school is the best.
Only an Italian machine would have a red button to start.
"Wheneve I feel inclined to work I relax, and wait untill the crisis is over"... ;-)
red indication of danger the machine is on, green indicate safe : machine is off and you can put hands in it
For UX, there should really be only one button to avoid confusing - and it actually is mainly red.
Another way is to put an LED in the button with green showing when on standby and red when it’s own.
That’s what I do on my machines - medical devices. And I’m not Italian...
@@Ron.S.Red is the universal color of danger or stopping, if you see a full red sign what do you do on the streets? You stop, when you see a red light on the courtroom light? You don't go in, red = danger/emergency stop green = it's on but still lookout
HAH ! Good one ! 🤣👍🏻
Whoever designed that drill sharpener is nothing short of a genius.
Wonderful to have old quality machines. Glad you and Anni can see and appreciate this aspect of the older heavier machines. Thumbs Up ☝
That drill sharpener is a cool machine. THanks for showing it to us.
25 years ago I started as a Machinist Apprentice. The same day I hired on they company had one of these delivered new. It was my job to set it up. That machine got a ton of use. I still work at the same company and just had my 25th Anniversary there in October of this year. And yes we still have the same drill bit Sharpener.
In 25 years I bet those drill bits are getting very short. :)
Deezildennis - You should resolve the argument in comments above where the guy "
MrKotBonifacy" is saying that the sharpener couldn't possibly be grinding a relief angle... just a (blunt) cone.
Does the grinding stone cycle in and out to produce the relief angle or is the stone shaped?
I notice it runs eccentrically side to side but that wouldn't, of itself, produce the relief angle.
@@evildrome yes, the grinding wheel moves left and right as well as forward and aft. (Since the drill only spins). We had one of these too in the shop I use to work at. Only used it for big drills like this though. The small drills we would just sharpen by hand.
@@89crxsidohczc Right... the left/right movement stops the drill digging a drill sized trough in the stone.
Clever stuff. Especially the front/back movement which must be synchronised and also must be adjustable.
this is possibly the best drill sharpener ever, i used this one very often at a place where i used to work, and no other drill sharpener comes even close to this one. the small centering bit in the center is unique, all the drills i used on a radial drill almost never needed pre drilling, just a smal center with a centerdrill and then bam drill a hole up to 75 mm, ,no run off, all because of the centering part on the drill itself. best tool ever!
Pretty neat! We have a Oliver Drill sharpener the same size at the shop I work at. I uncrated it and set it up on my first day on the job 30 years ago. I just had my 30th anniversary there Oct 10th of this year. The Drill sharpener is in great shape! I'm a little wore out though.
I love this era when you can share project across the world
The problem with old machines is experience is forgotten, so nice to see it being brought to life but don't forget to pass it on. I had to make a angle gauge as an apprentice years ago to get the correct angle of the drill when sharpening by hand.
Oh wow, seeing them spiral chips come out of the drill was so satisfying.
love it!
from Norway!
i have been working in welding shop/machine shop since 9 grade (one day each week 9-10 grade and 2 months every summer vacation. and when i was going to mechanic school,i got good grades and i could littlebit about everything, so i got a good headstart compared to other studends :) im 26 now and supervisor and mechanic at a cement factory :) (im a old school type of mechanic that like to keep alive old good quality machines)
welders,mechanis and machinist are good payed jobs that get you a new car every 5 year and a good house, i wish there was more intrest in the mechanic and machinist industry!
keep up the good work neighbour :)
It gives me hope for my craptacular, messy workshop! Finally a machinist who has a dirty workstation!
Marion Makarewicz
Oh, you’ve seen nothing yet...XD
I would be very suspicious about a perfectly clean place. I would think that they don't use it (and therefore have no experience)... or a car mechanic with a perfectly clean, white shirt. That does not work (unless you're Jamie Hyneman)
Unless it is a showroom that sells brand new equipment I would expect there to be signs of use, although colleges and educational facilities tend to have cleaner workshops as they tend to be stricter on cleaning everything up after use.
You should watch a documentary about the Bugatti workshop - it's probably cleaner then a 5 star hotel room :D
You sound like AvE 😉
Anni does such a good job holding down the chair.... How can you work without her??? I'm glad she's teaching !!
This guy missed his calling. He should get into acting. He'd make a fantastic villain in an American/British movie. He has the look, and the accent is awesome. A natural.
"No Meester Bond, I expect you to be crush-ed by zhe hoodrawlic press!"
Rob Harrison 🤣
netterstyl I can see him behind a desk with Nelly the cat purring away 😸
Hans Gruber's brother
Yes, I also wished for a subtitles... "Getting him is half the fun", so to speak...
So satisfying to hear the grinder and to watch the swarf curling. Took me right back to my days in a workshop.
Sounds like MONEY to em ... In the machine shop I worked in many years ago, if the shop (Armenian) Foreman saw us chasing or slacking off, he would say "Make chips" .. or "Is your machine making chips"??
That was impressive,no pilot hole and you pushed it in! I want that grinder!
Every time i watch your videos i fall more and more in love with this workshop
I've watched a thousand Machining videos, I've never seen this machine before. Beautiful even cut on both flutes. Next time I'm in Finland I'm going to bring all my drills to you...😎
Ponkkaa this is basically a European Oliver drill grinder. I have an Oliver 510 that does the same thing that I bought for $250, sharpens up to 3". Later versions are Oliver 600.... Fantastic drill grinders!
Watched a thousand machining videos. Do you list every video ? You should get a life 😥
Been to interviews at machine shops like this and i have ONLY stayed long enough to be shown round to actually SEE the chaos first hand and in some cases been able to take pictures. Fascinating.
For us totally not mechanical types, I like to see how all your machines work. Please give us a tour of all of Timo's stuff.
Agreed.
Jay Kaye , hate to spoil the illusion but us mechanical types love seeing these machines operated also.
Hey guys this machine looks like a real treasure hope this nice machine gets taken care of in the future and that your coolant isnt infected with nasty bacteria. It can make an acid that eats away at things and smells pretty bad and the infected mist can make you sick.
A fresh, sharp bit = manufacturing bliss. 😎
Always fun to save an old tool.
Especially when that "old tool" is your very own drill! :-)))
Sounds like a space base self destruct alarm
Thank You for the Highlight!
Games With Nic you made that comment about 12 hrs after u watched this
- evacuate - evacuate -
Thanks for a very good demonstration. Large drills like that need a split point for efficient drilling without a pilot hole.
I was thinking the same, we used to call it "Cleaning out (or grinding out) the web a bit'
I really enjoy watching theese videos. Its always relaxing to see someone else working with metal and heavy machinery.
It's also relaxing to do as long you don't have to hard parts to work on. Just enough work to keep you brains not wondering all around but not too much :D
Absolutely mesmerizing. I could watch this for hours. My late father was a machinist and this brings back terrific memories. Many thanks.
Make more machining video. Drill sharpening machine is really interesting
I’m a 27-year-old machinist that machine is beautiful I love it I’ve never seen a machine like that
Old machines have a certain charm....
"Holy shit, that's one fine drill!" I'm making that my new ringtone.
Send me a copy!
Satisfaction Guaranteed . . . I could watch that at normal speed any number of times. Same as CNC Machines.
11:40 Behold, PERFECTION !
These Shop videos are the best.
Great Italian milling machine from the late 1940s, it's a BREDA.
My grandfather was a technical designer at Ingegner Breda SpA in those years :-)
AvE's idea of what a Drill Doctor should be.
Thinky Pain Ave's it's a douchebag, fucktard!
AvE would LOVE to have one of those - I would !!
AVE's not the only fella that thinks they should work that way :))
however, don;t overlook the fact it's Italian, probably broken and wrong more than right :)))))))
Very observant of you i saw those markings as well. STILL a great tool!!
u mad
Ive been a macinist for over 30 years...always looking at another way of doing things..you have a great channel and enjoy your passion. Also, hang a couple of round magnets half way into your coolant tank to help catch your grindings
I am in awe of this old machine. Am somewhat a hobby machinist now. Wish I had a lady that likes machinery like her!
Great machine. I could tell the bit was sharp, by the chips coming off the drill bit, were for the most time of equal lengths. Great video. Thanks for sharing.
We had a similar machine on my ship when I was in the Navy. It was an Oliver drill pointer. Havent seen anything like it since. Thank you for sharing. I cannot believe I never see these machines or anyone who has.
That's what we use at the shop.
Over the years i've worked at a few shops that used the Oliver machine.
I used a berger grinder and it only used water but it was it seemed made in Germany 100 years ago how it ended up in Tennessee at a Snap-on plant I'll never know
There is something very refreshing watching your videos. Very down to earth and to the point. Please keep them coming!
Thank for sharing! Best question of the day “it’s ok if i stand here? “ or run
LOL - if you listen carefully, she asks that because of his comment that the machine sprays coolant absolutely everywhere while it's operating.
When I was an apprentice , part of my apprenticeship was to sharpen drill bits that size by hand . Wish we had one of those machine would have made life so much easier
i sharpened drills machine like that middle 80´s in my summer job.
Used to operate this type of drill sharpening machines about 35 years ago for a few weeks during my apprenticeship!
Sounds like my cat when she’s out of food... “meoooowwww... meoooowwww... meoooowwww...” 🐈
you can keep your cats food cup full all the time because they dont eat too much like dogs.
Even these days it's hard to find a drill sharpening tool that actually works well. this machine is amazing.
I taught myself to sharpen bits by hand because all the little jigs and shit ive ever used to sharpen with suck ass.
That is a sharp looking drill!
Love the after the press videos, I am a machinist in Florida USA.
Learned it from my father growing up on a little fishing village in Norway when I was a young boy, Its so much fun making parts from pieces of metal laying around the shop.
I realized one day that I am not actually making anything when machining, the parts are already ready but they are just inside of that piece of steel :D
Nice drill machine. Those old school machines are very good to have around. I have a mini version of that machine in my home shop. Look forward to more machine shop videos. I spent a lot of time in a machine shop over the last 25 years!
I love how totally over-engineered that sharpener is!
Can I send you some of my blunt drill bits? ;-)
What a gold mine you have access to an old mfg company that wasnt taken over by someone who never manufactured anything and didnt value the collection of machines and sold them off for scrap metal. Thanks for the interesting videos and good luck getting that old equipment back in shape to make stuff.
9:38 someone make a dubstep track with this noise haha
Excellent piece of machinery, it is of Italian origin.
Works perfectly without electronic equipment.
Even after all this time, I still hear "Pee on the press channel." The mental imagery alone makes me 😆.
Cannot Unhear.
12:09 Pee on the lathe channel.
If their main channel is the Hitler Depressed channel, what can you expect?
The most amazing thing about this tool is (in theory) any machinist could make one from scratch. That fact never gets old.
I don't think could be so easy . . . The sharpener wheel, while it turns, moves forward and back its axis, in accordance with half turns of the drill-bit. Not a simple conus is built on tip of the drill bit . . . From the cutting edge(s) of the drill-bit, the sharpener wheel moves forward, while the drill bit turns a bit, so cutting "more" than a conus surface . . .
i find this channel better then the 1st channel,is that odd?
No one in the world like a Finn. Love your channel!
That tool is a refractrometer. I used one at work identical to that
brilliant machine. looks like it grinds the relief by moving the stone back and forth.
Oh, man…. In the 80s I worked as the lowest tier employee at a machine shop for a year before going to University, and my least favourite job was cleaning coolant residue, and replacing old coolant with fresh… always sticky and when it went bad it smelled so very very awful. That, and always having tiny tiny steel chips in my hands… they’d get calloused over a wear out eventually, but there would always be one or two sore spots where there would be a mild infection… That’s what I get for not being a he-man with rough hands… I had accountants hands. :)
Lot of fun watching the robots… massive CNC machines, but so limited compared to today’s ‘bots.
We have the exact same machine at work. 😀 It works very good but nobody wants to use it because its so dirty from all the coolant stuff. But for big drills, there is nothing better. 👍
12:01 oh he CAN say “structural” I’m so proud 😊
Yeah he didn't say "strooktural" or something
@@highgroundproductions8590 there was a Hydraulic Press Channel video where he took square hollow steel tubing and couldn't get the word "structural" to sound right bc he trills his R instead of using an alveolar approximate like we use in English
I have an old Archdale Drill Grinder. Much older than your machine but still works fine. Yours looks simular to the American Oliver 600 machine.
What is the coolant made of?
Coolant obv
I think Lauri said it's a ratio of some kind of coolant oil and water
Tomato soup and vodka
Whale jizz
your mother
I've run a similar machine to this, only it was manual(no auto feed). Important to know is if you are drilling a deep hole 5" or more, you must offset one cutting edge slightly deeper or the drill will get jammed while drilling. A large drill approx 2" would need about a .010" offset, in order to not jam the drill. Other than that, these drill sharpeners are the best.
Dammit that Anni's got it going on.
@selphie Very kind comment. You must be a pleasure to live with.
Its a must have if you want run a lot of HSS bits in your operations. Saves lot in labour costs and in tooling costs.
Plenty of machinist can maintain a drill decently, but reviving a badly damaged drill or doing some custom geometry on a bit takes time and is very difficult to get right if you aren't an expert.
You can always tell how sharp a bit is by the length of the shavings
If you have long shavings, your feedrate is not optimal. Properly sharpened drill with proper feedrate gets you nice little curls that break and come out of the hole.
We had a machine like that where I used to work. Does a beautiful job.
Beyond the press, behind the press
Great machine, the drill was cutting really well.
Drill sharpener? *hears triggered AvE in the distance*
This one is definitely skookum
Dunno, I can see the preference for hand sharpening baby drill bits. It gets kinda hard to keep the same attitude when the bits are bigger than most whole drills.
What would a triggered AvE sound like?
@@WojciechP915 Basically every time he uses a camera?
@@WojciechP915 czcams.com/video/GjslDlQXATs/video.html
I learned to sharpen drill bits (much smaller, but still) in high school shop. I wish they taught things like this today.
Abom79 would like this beast
Xavier Ancarno except its not Starrett or even US made 😎
So true!
Abom Rocks man!!!!
Joe Ziegler absolutely
I guess he would clean it first :)
You can tell from the thumbnail that Anni loves some good drillin' 😆
Anne, does lauri take his bowl of cereal into the shop and when he finished eating the cereal he dumps the rest of the milk into the coolant ? Hahaha you are hilarious making the cat sounds.
The coolant brand that we use tend to turn white really fast if not used daily
That's a nice machine. I used to grind those huge drills by hand, but the people who worked for me just weren't capable so I switched to spade drills for large drills which saved time. Would have been nice to have a machine like that.
Sounds like a Red Alert or something :D
That was AWESOME!!! Great job!!! Thanks for sharing!!! 😃👍
Lauri make a shop tour video
If you don't thin the webbing (middle) of the drill between the flutes, it will put excess pressure on the drill point and can cause excessive wear on your drill press auto feed gearing and on the tail stock of your lathes and boring mills that used drill adapters.
9:35 It sounds like a song composed by David Guetta
I like the sharpening machine! Don't forget to continue the cut edge into the web. You can do it with a pedestal grinder and steady hands.
Are you sure you not used 1A?! From how a torque wernch works i would think so. Nice Vid. Thanks
I am not actually sure :D I have to check from manual how that works :D
I looked same thing. You made some special angle drill.😀
Excellent equipment you guys have! So glad you have fun together!
That kind of sharpening is the ONLY way to have good Quality work!
💟AUTOMATIC💟
She said it as i read your comment. Excellent
I have always sharpened my drills by hand, we run them in cnc mills so if you don't do a nice job you will learn pretty fast (they melt the drill end almost instantly if it's bad enough)
But my drills usually drill 1-5 thousands over size. And tend to last a total of 100 inches deep in 304 depending on how good the sides of the drill are and how hard my feed is (speeds anywhere from 200-700 rpm and feeds of anywhere from 1-5ipm)
Is the grinding wheel moving back and forth to cut the relief in?
Yes. The little knob at the top sets how much it cams in/out to get the relief.
Jaakko Fagerlund - thanks. I was wondering how it cut relief in. I knew a bit just turning on a spinning wheel wouldn't work....I understand now how it works.
I automatically thumbs up all of your videos when I start to watch them... even a video about a drill bit sharpener is entertaining. :)
"It's missing a chip so we must deal with it!"
That brought back memories, I haven't seen or used one of them since I was an apprentice 37 years ago!! There was a way of setting it up to cut 3 flue drills but I could never figure it out.
I set up and operated automatic screw machines, and I used to swipe 4 flute end mills for the milling machine guys, and sharpen them by hand, as drills for some jobs ... MAN they drilled fast :)
I wonder how well those shavings would work in some canister damascus.
I have damascus video coming on HPC. I have different steels, borax and some acid ready
Beyond the press I should be doing my first damascus attempt on video early next week. I'm going to have to do it by hand, my budget and half of the garage won't support a hydraulic press or a hammer. I wish you the best of luck making a damascus billet successfully!
I've used a machine just like this one a billion times, it works extremely well when set up properly, slow the speed to finish and you can shave with it...
It sounds like a robotic siamese cat meow... :P
I think it sounds like the alarm sound on one of those madmens' bases in an old James Bond movie.
twocvbloke Aa
The sound this makes would make an awesome alarm sound for a video game with a little bit of modulation xD
I know this sharpener is rated for"HSS"(High Speed Steel)but can it be modified to sharpen carbide or diamond tip drills??.
The grinding stone isn't hard enough for those materials. Maybe it could work carbide drills with diamond stone.
Hydraulic Press Channel I used to work with cobalt/carbide/diamond tip drills long time ago and when I saw your sharpening machine,I had to ask.Excellent video as always,keep up the great work!!.
I wonder if any of the Soviet surplus diamond plated wheels are suited for this machine.
The extreme close-up @15:03 is awesome! Beautiful!
What is the use of that huge drill bit? Always if bit is the right word ewe?
It's not exactly huge in our standards :D I would say medium size. But they are used just like smaller ones, to make holes. The larger ones are usually for starting holes in a lathe if you have to turn hollow part. First you drill hole large enough for your turning tool and then you use that to make it larger or more precise
Check out abomb79, he just used a 3 3/4” drill on his channel. Good stuff.
I think we have one over 100mm tungsten carbide drill but it's bit more complicated thing than regular HSS drill and doesn't look like drill any more but more like really advanced milling head
Derek Tanner 3-7/8
Beyond the press show us that 100mm drill
Thanks for making that drill happy. It really brightened my day.