The Egyptian Goddess that Rome Adopted
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Bibliography:
Birgitte Bøgh, "Beyond Nock: From Adhesion to Conversion in the Mystery Cults," History of Religions, Vol. 54, No. 3 (Feb 2015), 260-287.
John Kloppenborg, "Rethinking Nock on Conversion," in "Celebrating Arthur Darby Nock," 2021.
Giulia Gasparro, "The Hellenistic face of Isis: Cosmic and Saviour Goddess," in "Nile into Tiber" edited by Bricault et. al. 2007.
Molly Swetnam-Burland, "Egyptian objects, Roman contexts: A taste for aegyptiaca in Italy," in "Nile into Tiber" edited by Bricault et. al. 2007.
Jaime Alvar, "Romanising Oriental Gods," Brill: 2008.
Jan Bremmer, "Initiation into the Mysteries of the Ancient World," De Gruyter: 2014.
00:00 Intro
1:14 Goddess Isis in Egypt
2:30 Intro to Mystery Cults
4:24 The Mystery Cult of Isis
6:08 Isis: A Cosmic and Savior God
8:55 Isaic Rituals
12:45 Conversion and Mystery Cults
16:17 Patreon Pitch
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So popular was the cult of Isis that she may even have been worshipped by the Germanic Suebi, though most historians agree it's probably interpratio romana
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I would love for you to do a video on Inanna as she is one of the most popular and long worshipped goddesses in all of history. Love you work!
She is later worship as Ishtar by the Babylonian. Astarte by the ancient Phoenicians, Canaanites and some say Israeli. Also via Phoenicians she is transported to Greek island of Cyprus and localised as Aphrodite. And later Rome combined her with the Roman Goddess Venus to create Venus we know today.
Second!
It's possible Inanna is the equivalent to Isis aka Aset
Always interesting to learn about past deities. First time I heard of her. Interesting she was given the titles : “the queen of heaven”, the same title given to Artemis of Ephesus, and then the Virgin Mary. Most likely each adopted from the other from cross cultural influences.
yes she has travelled all down through history, it's why I think she'd be such a wonderful topic to discuss in a video 😃@@zhenghao123
"this is supreme goddess language" is definitely something I'm gunna start saying to my friends.
Absofuckinglutely ❤ “girl this is giving supreme goddess language 💅🏻” it works so well
Only Jesus Christ Almighty is the one n only true living God , the rest are demonic beings The God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob is my God
Don't you'll be spreading Satanism and blasphemy
I always appreciate that you clarify the use of the word "cult" in your videos, because of the connotation it has in the present days. Great video as usual! I'm sick with dengue fever so thanks for the company :)
I feel like a broken record, but there is a high chance someone is watching the channel for the first time and hasn’t heard my explanation before!
hope you feel better, thats one doozy of an illness :)
@@ReligionForBreakfastawesome video, do you think you’ll ever do videos on the gods Serapis and Hermanubis in depth since both deities were also worshipped by the Greeks, Egyptians and later the romans along side the goddess Isis
I’m sorry to hear that I hope your body clears you of this dengue fever at a reasonably speedy pace
I definitely agree!
I really liked how you went into detail about Isis as a figure of salvation and redemption, that people turned to worship of her as a means of purifying and redeeming themselves to become more deeply realized and more whole as human beings.
Interesting how the "mother of the universe" expression is also used for Hindu goddesses like Parvati and Lakshmi, and major aspects of the supreme goddess Adi Shakti.
It makes a lot of sense to use when talking about a supreme deity.
3:47 You've never seen a more happy chappy, Absolutely cheesing.
It's interesting to imagine a world where this rather than Christianity became the dominant religion
In some ways it sounds very similar, but not in every way. Feminine monotheism is an interesting concept.
@@LimeyLassenIt wouldn't have been a feminine monotheism. Isis' whole story is about what She did for Her husband and son. That requires at least two more Gods right there. Never mind the fact that She serves Re, was taught by Thoth, and was assisted by Anubis and Nephthys
@@wildmen5025 It wouldn't be hard to recast those gods as just holy beings like how Catholicism treats the Virgin Mary.
Is it? I think we don't really know enough about their beliefs or practices to possibly judge how interesting it would be or how it would differ. Like, it's way too open-ended to judge anything about it except that initiates would go bald instead of have a tonsure.
couldn't help but think this was a step along the way to Christianity or some form of monotheism
Your content is among the most fascinating available on youtube - I just joined your Patreon because this is the kind of educational content I want to see
Thank you so much!
no one can worship her as it would have a negative connotation today@@ReligionForBreakfast
This was fabulous, packed with so much info that it felt much longer (in the best way)
My 20 minutes ended at 7 😅
Io Isis! What a marvelous video! Thanks to you and to Angela Puca for your excellent collaboration! Isis remains one of the most beautiful and awe-inspiring faces of the Holy Mother that the world has ever seen. She reminds me of Kali, or Shakti in the east; a supreme mother manifesting all consciousness, all existence. It's good to see her getting some proper credit in this obscene and godless age! Well done!
Just as I was reading a book about Pompeii, and me being surprised about there being a temple of Isis, this video shows up one day later. Awesome!
I've heard youtubers using patreon for so long and always wondered why youtube didn't just integrate something akin to patreon into youtube itself, so that a creator could do things like make videos available early to patrons without the views not counting as views on youtube for the purpose of recommendations, and just so that it stays integrated into one platform. Then when youtube released memberships I wondered why creators didn't flock to it en masse for exactly those type of reasons, now that I've heard you say how for old patreon users only have to pay 5% there and youtube takes 30%, it makes perfect sense why so maby creators are sticking with patreon.
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I study local religious history. Baltimore seems to have been established as "independent" before Vatican City and the Fort that became a Roman Catholic Church that created my old neighborhood is honored under glass in Rome. Much of what you teach ties to the local history.
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Great video; I really loved the discussion of conversion vs adhesion. It wasn't a topic in theology with which I was at all familiar. It also made me curious to read Metamorphosis & some of the scholarly imterpretations thereof. We have a non-zero body of writing by ancient Greek & Roman scholars who were skeptical or dismissive of the supernatural, including even their own cultures' founding myths.
That said, I'd have liked some mention of my favorite Catholic church in Rome: the Santa Maria Sopra Minerva. It's a Catholic church dedicated to the Madonna ("Santa Maria") built atop ("sopra", etymologucally related to the English "super") a temple not -- as the name suggests -- to Minerva, but to Isis. In fact, the temple has *three* layers & you can go further down from the newer pagan temple to the deeply cramped temple it was built on top of.
Beyond the simple "cool factor" of seeing three differemt periods of architectural styles on top of each other, I see the Santa Maria sopra Minerva as an archeological metaphor for syncretism & ppl's instincts to preserve the holy. It makes a lot of sense that a Catholic church built atop a goddess of motherhood & salvation would be dedicated to St. Mary. In Catholicism, the Madonna plays a substantial role in the salvation of sinners, such as her pivotal role in Göthe's "Faustus", where she pleads for the possibility of Faustus' redemption. The Madonna also protects seafarers under the aspect "Madonna, stella Maris" ("Madonna, the Star of the Sea"). I generally agree w/ the theologians who argue that St. Mary absorbed these elements in no small part from Isis (as well as elements of Venus Genetrix, Aphrodite Urania, & Vesta). To me, it shows the fluidity of culture & of how believes change w/i a culture. Christianity didn't spread to the polyyheistoc Mediterranean by stamping out pagan practices (at first); it adapted & absorbed elements of the polytheistic belief systems, incorporating them into a new Roman Catholicism.
thank you for this comment! i’m catholic and love art history and had no idea about this church! it’s on my bucket list to visit there now for sure!:)
@@updownstranger564 I don't have any smart-person words to describe ot other than to repeat the above & to say "Yeah, it slaps". If you're ever in Rome (literally), it's 210% worth your time.
Would love a follow-up video on the early cult of the Virgin Mary. Interested to see how it compares/contrasts with Isis worship, since you mentioned some artistic parallels.
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At the end of the day atheism is kind of a boring subject to talk about, it's a lack of belief after all. But religious history and scholarship never gets old.
And as a fellow atheist I also find a wonderful calm as I sit in any denominations' place of worship, modern or ancient. Weird.
@@madderhat5852 It's not strange I think, those places were designed to feel reverent and peaceful. It's good architecture.
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What a coincidence! I've just finished Anne Rice's Pandora yesterday. The main character was a part of the cult of Isis and the cult is one of the main themes in this fantasy novel. Great to get an academic introduction to this topic straight after reading it, especially since I've encountered this topic for the first time in the novel. Thank you so much!
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Your discussion on conversion brought to mind my own background as a Quaker. We make a distinction between convincement -- the belief that one joins the Society of Friends after having been convinced to it by the Presence of God within every person -- and conversion -- the life-long process of living Quaker teachings and developing them into a way of life.
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This kind of reminds me of how us Mexicans took Mary and pretty much turned her into a whole goddess. I could just imagine how this first went down between the Spanish priest and the natives/first meztizos like “Jesus , Abraham Moses? Ok cool they sound great, but tell us more about Jesus mom, she sounds great”
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I am so glad to hear you're not leaving CZcams. Yours are my favorite discussions on religion - a subject I find very important, particularly in the US at present. And, I enjoyed this video, as I've read some on the Isis cult, and its place in Antiquity. Thanks, for all you do. :)
There was an Iseum in Roman London even.
I's like to see you do more videos about contemporary Paganism. When I left Roman Catholicism and started practicing Wicca, it didn't feel like a "conversion" as much as it felt like I'd found a belief system that ritualized my intrinsic beliefs. These questions are still relevant.
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I enjoyed your video, I'm a devotee of Isis myself, and she has changed my life. I love learning about the history of the cult of Isis, good job.
Are you a member of a group or is it a private belief thing?
@@LimeyLassenIt's my belief, I don't belong to any group.
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I'm old enough to remember "the zeitgeist" movie that blew up in the early 2000s. The "Isis Mary" thing sparked the memory
It's a fun short vid. But don't let it suck you in
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Yeah I seen a Greco-Roman mosaic where there were Nubian priests and Priestess to Isis it was in the border town between Roman Egypt and Nubia.
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I Work in a Roman Santuary to Isis and Magna Mater all the way up here in Germany. So i am very interested in this !
Wow! Really?! Like an old building or a living community?
@@jafersorianocamargo6723 An exhibition build around the remains of the walls
Some basic informations here:
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanctuary_of_Isis_and_the_Magna_Mater,_Mainz
@@jafersorianocamargo6723 A ruin that was turned into an exhibition
Another Egyptian goddess who was adopted by Rome was Maat, the Goddess of Justice. She was admitted to the Roman pantheon by Augustus under the name of Justicia. As Lady Justice she still stands above court houses in Europe and America, blindfolded and carrying a sword and a pair of scales. That's longevity!
Themis(Justice) is Greek, and she was a titanid. Maat has a role in the afterlife and the cosmic order, it is not the personification of Justice as the Greeks understand it. Ananke fulfilled a cosmic role in Greek mythology.
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Another great video and great history lesson. Glad to hear you are not losing interest in making content and would love to see you more on other social platforms. Adding video clips and link trees on IG, tic toc and FB are a great way to cross-platform you page with minimal additional work involved.
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Her evolution feels so much like the abrahamic god
She's much more pure, nice and caring than him.
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This video makes me wonder in which way Isis not just inspired Mary’s iconography, but also all the Marian veneration as Queen of Heavens and Earth,Anchor of Salvation, and Refuge of supplicants so prevalent in all churches that have a continuity from ancient times (Roman Catholic, Orthodox Catholic, Eastern Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox)
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Hi Andrew, great video as always. I have always felt that Judaism and Christianity borrowed heavily from Egyptian religion. How could they not? On another front, thanks for your commentary at the end of this presentation. I appreciate your honesty.
As per your comments at the end of the video, FWIW, I really enjoy your videos and greatly appreciate the effort you put into them.
Thank you.
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This Isis/Osiris story has a lot of commonality to Norse Nanna/Baldur and Mesopotamian/Sumerian Inanna/Ishtar's story with her husband.
Perhaps these were the same stories described by different people before all our religions diverged. Describing the Sun/Moon creator goddess....trying to hold on to her power after the men tried to remove the importance of their female goddesses. During the Great Holy Trojan war the ladies original creator cult was defeated. Defending priestesses Helen and Pereis fleeing their tyrant king. Because they lost the war everyone that supported her was looked down upon.