I wonder if anyone at Scott asked; "Why?" Why have an awkward enclosed shock and the ridiculous control adjustments? Have to flip the bike upside-down to make a damper adjustment-no thanks!
Have the Spark for over a year now, no issues and not that difficult to adjust… keeps dirt and mud off the shock !! Are mtbikers getting that lazy that they can’t flip their bikes upside down.. god forbid we have to hike-n-bike !!
@Hggsa736 Seriously… how many times do you do that? Is it really that hard work? No dirt and mud on the shock = lasts a lot longer !! Have I mentioned that I have a Scott… it’s not that difficult!
@Hggsa736 Plus with a conventional shock set up, if the seal starts to leak you will know it right away. On this bike not until you happen to look in there or when the shock is ruined and rides bad. I'm certain dust and moisture will still get in there. But Benoos loves his Spark and that's cool. Ride on!
@@benoosthuizen4961I regularly adjust my shocks compression settings (usually every other ride) and I check my shock pressure every few rides as well. Scott's design just adds unnecessary complexity and it's solving a problem that doesn't even exist.
@percivalgooglyeyes6178 The shock on this bike is a reservoir model (I think you must have missed that in the video). Its the Float X. All adjusters are at the end where the hatch is.
I dreamed/imagined an e-bike when I was 6 years old. That was 69 years ago, but now I’m too old (and my SI joints need fused) to ride such a beautiful piece of technology. Take out a loan and buy one now, so you don’t wind up being me. 🤣
I'm 75 and love mountain biking my Pennsylvania trails... just a year ago dropped money for a new Pivot Trail 429...not an e-bike but I'm thinking I'd like a new Orbea Rise e-bike for my 76th birthday ( steroid injections needed in both knees periodically and a new left hip...Stryker company model). Chin up and eyes looking forward, Dan!!
Iv had a Scott strike 940 for the past 2 years ( which replaced a previous carbon Scott mc20 that I had for many many years ) , found it to be a fantastic cross country ebike however it does feel heavier that I’d like -Iv always liked Scott as a brand and think the rear internal suspension design looks fantastic. 10k though - it’s a lot of money .
Interesting bike, not sure on the concept of hiding everything, you dropping that valve cap... How much dirt & mud will find their way in there over time. Anyway, very nice video, Thanks!
Intro on the comparables was awesome, subtle and awesome. Love when you post, I will quit bitching about bike prices and just enjoy the content, thanks!
great looking bike. what it does that my fuel exe does not is both a water bottle and the range extender fit simultaneously. i’m sure that was the genesis of the “hidden” shock location solution. But as all new engineering solutions emerge in what Rob noted as the accelerated innovation in the ebike industry compared to other industrial efforts, is that the fall out becomes an entirely new approach to shock tuning. sounds like the “brain” now soon to have a brain ie it will become automatic. i have the exe and a 2019 meta power 27.5 and see the evolution first hand. And yes to that I love to ride both depending on the terrain.
I'm still happy with my 160Nm, 1100 Wh battery eBike....yes it's 54 lbs but I can ride it 25-30 miles, 3500-4500 Ft of Climbing, and my battery is still showing 50% left...The TQ motor just won't cut it for the terrain and distances I like to ride.....
I watched a review on another channel that seemed to show that the TQ motor in A Fuel EXe was less efficient compared with Fazua Ride60 in other brands - in terms of Wh used for the same climb with same measured rider input. The speeds for the climb varied but the energy consumed was the most interesting bit for me. Does it suggest the TQ design is very quiet but less efficient? Will be interesting to see what your tests reveal
The TQ’s are prone to a rattle in low torque scenarios - seen on EXe which could be a bit annoying. Good alternative to an EXe but the new Cannondale probably pops this
I've had a less than desirable experience with Scott's bikes. My Spark 960 2023 was "so noisy" I couldnt stand it longer than 6 months... Every 2 rides past and I'm heading to the shop to trying ending the rattles and squinks! Dont get me wrong, the bike looks sick, but theres no way I would consider this "design" again... rsrss Cheers from Brazil!!!
I would suggest to put the bike in a work stand and pivoting it up to a position that allows you to get to the shock instead of putting the bike upside down.
Having a fully enclosen shock definitley has its benefits, but also it's downsides. The fact it stays clean might be true, but having mudguards (all year) also helps a lot and the schock stays accesable. Personally I am not a huge fan of the design, especially the cockpit, but this simply comes down to personal prefrence I guess.
It's not a beautiful shape but it does hide some components which makes it look cleaner. I would not buy it because everything is inside and hard to get to. It's good and bad and I would like to see a video on how to best address repairs if I buy any new ebike. I have a lot of experience but is there detailed schematics and ample parts if these new bikes break? How has it played out for ebikes bought in the last 5 years?
I don't see any need to conceal the rear shock, if the rear shock is high up on the frame they don't see any dust and from my experience the seals on my rear shock last over twice as long as my forks.
What exactly does up to 300w mean Rob? Does that mean its peak output is 300w? Or is that the nominal output? Is it EU legal? Edit: I really don't mind that you have to flip the bike to change settings. You're only going to do that at the start of the ride, and it takes 2 minutes anyway. Loved the "Ah for FU-" when you dropped the valve though. That's gonna rattle in there and drive you mental!
Thank you for your video. Non removable battery… absolute no go for me. I keep my bikes in a shed, sub zero temperatures in winter, hot in summer. I find it cumbersome to have to get the bike close to an electrical outlet. And… if I can remove the battery the bike would get even lighter to be packed in a car or up some stairs.
A fantastic review, but not for me in the Lakes. I can’t imagine it would survive many crashes on Lakeland rocks. Unlike my trusty Turbo Levo Comp alloy… scratched up but going strong. At the berry least the Scott needs a bash plate.
Ahh complicating bikes for the sake of design rather than utility seems to be the standard for Scott. And screw this trend with headset cable routing - it only makes working on the bike harder and creates issues when you're trying to replace the standard headset with something better or when the original wears out - in some cases it's even impossible to use other headsets than the ones from the manufacturer of the bike! Thanks but no thanks.
Nice looking bike but beware of TQ motors my father in law was loving his lumen until his tq motor packed up after 500kms. Very disappointed since I tried selling him of a getting an ebike. Good service by tq though they did replaced the motor however for it to break after a pathetic 500km disgraceful.
The bike looks cool, but it seems that the design hasn‘t been fully (no pun intended) thought through. Seeing that parts can fall into the frame when fiddling around with the rear shock, could almost be qualified as a design failure. It seems it is targeting an audience who doesn‘t do anything on their bike and instead lets their bike shop do any servicing. Which, I think, excludes enthusiast riders. And at that price point, I can only think of some folks with big wallets who want a bike that looks too clean and never really take it out on the trail or any dirt. I don‘t think that kind of design is going to stay - let‘s see if Scott will prove me wrong.
porsche and i phone are poor comparisons both products have iconic shapes which are not in the companies interest to change but still very nice bike . bike design has started to slow down as there is not much difference in shape between manufacturers so smaller cosmetic changes which are really not necessary for the function of the bike and for the most part are used to temp us to part with our cash which is fine we all like the wow factor
Twelve grand? More than a brand new Honda Transalp adventure bike, that will literally take you around the actual world? ...seriously, they're taking the p*ss now
Why are so many e-bikes equipped with huge travel, making them ridiculously heavy? I have a short travel trail bike (130 front and rear) and it is plenty for the riding I do. I am an experienced mountain biker and I have no physical issues, no need for a motor and have 16 years of XC racing behind me. If I ever bought an ebike, the last thing I would need is a lot of travel.
non removable battery is unfortunatelly hudge no no for me. Temp in my basement drops to nearly zero celcius during winter. And do not have socket to charge there. I live in block of flats in the city.
Nothing even close to under £5k and a mid-range closer to £10k. WTF. Not reflecting the bike industries current financial position and the real world at all.
If you want to waste your money on stuff that literally has no benefit at all and brings on endless potential problems, we’ve found you the bike to buy🤣
11000 for a bike wtf ? Dude the bike industry has issues
They are more expensive then motorcycles, even good ones.
Exactly
@@adrianhrusca4067
Bike industry is going to fail big time! Uk is failing as a country how are people going to afford these bikes! 😮
I wonder if anyone at Scott asked; "Why?" Why have an awkward enclosed shock and the ridiculous control adjustments? Have to flip the bike upside-down to make a damper adjustment-no thanks!
Have the Spark for over a year now, no issues and not that difficult to adjust… keeps dirt and mud off the shock !! Are mtbikers getting that lazy that they can’t flip their bikes upside down.. god forbid we have to hike-n-bike !!
@Hggsa736 Seriously… how many times do you do that? Is it really that hard work? No dirt and mud on the shock = lasts a lot longer !!
Have I mentioned that I have a Scott… it’s not that difficult!
@Hggsa736 Plus with a conventional shock set up, if the seal starts to leak you will know it right away. On this bike not until you happen to look in there or when the shock is ruined and rides bad.
I'm certain dust and moisture will still get in there. But Benoos loves his Spark and that's cool. Ride on!
@@benoosthuizen4961I regularly adjust my shocks compression settings (usually every other ride) and I check my shock pressure every few rides as well. Scott's design just adds unnecessary complexity and it's solving a problem that doesn't even exist.
@percivalgooglyeyes6178
The shock on this bike is a reservoir model (I think you must have missed that in the video). Its the Float X. All adjusters are at the end where the hatch is.
Great content as always, Rob! Thanks for the outstanding video quality
Lol love the 911 comparison! Bikes and Porsches are actually my two passions Rob haha! 😉
I have an 18 GT3 and a trek fuel EXe
997 and Forbidden Druid😎
Thank you. Your videos are awesome.
I dreamed/imagined an e-bike when I was 6 years old. That was 69 years ago, but now I’m too old (and my SI joints need fused) to ride such a beautiful piece of technology. Take out a loan and buy one now, so you don’t wind up being me. 🤣
Oh Dan I salute you buddy!! I can see that you still a mtber at heart. Cheers! 👏👍🤘
I'm 75 and love mountain biking my Pennsylvania trails... just a year ago dropped money for a new Pivot Trail 429...not an e-bike but I'm thinking I'd like a new Orbea Rise e-bike for my 76th birthday ( steroid injections needed in both knees periodically and a new left hip...Stryker company model). Chin up and eyes looking forward, Dan!!
@@chester1167 Thanks, Chester.
Congratulations. Very nice bike.
Clean!!
Scott need to follow through with the hidden shock/ebike theme with their new Ransom! That would be one hell of a bike if they managed that! Lol
it's now out, look it up
@@tonyvaccarelli7950 yeah seen the Ransom, I meant when they do a new e-Ransom.
@@TheBrokenMountainBiker yes waiting myself
funky looking bike. Dont like the 3 way shock adjuster but the clean look is lovely
Iv had a Scott strike 940 for the past 2 years ( which replaced a previous carbon Scott mc20 that I had for many many years ) , found it to be a fantastic cross country ebike however it does feel heavier that I’d like -Iv always liked Scott as a brand and think the rear internal suspension design looks fantastic. 10k though - it’s a lot of money .
Were the heck is the dropper lever? On my old but great 2018 Scott Genius it's funky over the bar on the left so a lot of levers on the left bar end.
Now you have twinlock connected with adapter with front brake lever.
Congrats on 500k subscribers Rob.
The hatch for the shock, I'd lose it on the first ride out🤔
Interesting bike, not sure on the concept of hiding everything, you dropping that valve cap... How much dirt & mud will find their way in there over time. Anyway, very nice video, Thanks!
WE WANT TO SEE THE SHOCK !!!
It still has a derailleur… not the future
Intro on the comparables was awesome, subtle and awesome. Love when you post, I will quit bitching about bike prices and just enjoy the content, thanks!
great looking bike. what it does that my fuel exe does not is both a water bottle and the range extender fit simultaneously. i’m sure that was the genesis of the “hidden” shock location solution. But as all new engineering solutions emerge in what Rob noted as the accelerated innovation in the ebike industry compared to other industrial efforts, is that the fall out becomes an entirely new approach to shock tuning. sounds like the “brain” now soon to have a brain ie it will become automatic.
i have the exe and a 2019 meta power 27.5 and see the evolution first hand. And yes to that I love to ride both depending on the terrain.
I'm still happy with my 160Nm, 1100 Wh battery eBike....yes it's 54 lbs but I can ride it 25-30 miles, 3500-4500 Ft of Climbing, and my battery is still showing 50% left...The TQ motor just won't cut it for the terrain and distances I like to ride.....
I watched a review on another channel that seemed to show that the TQ motor in A Fuel EXe was less efficient compared with Fazua Ride60 in other brands - in terms of Wh used for the same climb with same measured rider input. The speeds for the climb varied but the energy consumed was the most interesting bit for me. Does it suggest the TQ design is very quiet but less efficient?
Will be interesting to see what your tests reveal
Teleprompter reader detected! That Shure mic and w/e effects you use sound great
Do you know how many takes would be needed to have such a brilliant production without it?
Scott’s ebike of the future past more like sees I - Until we see more unit construction motor/transmission combo’s I’m sticking with my Levo
Rob, how does it compare to your Voima ? do you still ride your Voima ?
Haven’t heard you talking about it much lately
It would be really interesting how the Bafang M820 performs in comparison to those light weight motors. 2,3 kg and 75 NM torque
Would have expected a video of the new Cube AMS hybrid 144.....
Nice presentation. But I don't understand the title of this video. We'll see what is the future of ebikes 😀
"2024 is the year of the SL eBIke" .......... so, I've just ordered a Pole Voima 😂
I like more of the "MX" look, hence the exposed coil shock on my Crestline
The TQ’s are prone to a rattle in low torque scenarios - seen on EXe which could be a bit annoying. Good alternative to an EXe but the new Cannondale probably pops this
I've had a less than desirable experience with Scott's bikes. My Spark 960 2023 was "so noisy" I couldnt stand it longer than 6 months... Every 2 rides past and I'm heading to the shop to trying ending the rattles and squinks!
Dont get me wrong, the bike looks sick, but theres no way I would consider this "design" again... rsrss
Cheers from Brazil!!!
I would suggest to put the bike in a work stand and pivoting it up to a position that allows you to get to the shock instead of putting the bike upside down.
Having a fully enclosen shock definitley has its benefits, but also it's downsides. The fact it stays clean might be true, but having mudguards (all year) also helps a lot and the schock stays accesable. Personally I am not a huge fan of the design, especially the cockpit, but this simply comes down to personal prefrence I guess.
It's not a beautiful shape but it does hide some components which makes it look cleaner. I would not buy it because everything is inside and hard to get to. It's good and bad and I would like to see a video on how to best address repairs if I buy any new ebike. I have a lot of experience but is there detailed schematics and ample parts if these new bikes break? How has it played out for ebikes bought in the last 5 years?
I don't see any need to conceal the rear shock, if the rear shock is high up on the frame they don't see any dust and from my experience the seals on my rear shock last over twice as long as my forks.
I'll take the new cannonade thanks. Full power under 20kg, no need for range extender with 600 battery
10 grand for GX, Code, and a shock I can't easily maintain or service. Sounds like a Scott bike
I have a scott aspect eride 940
Nice but battery too small and not removable means it is still a bit behind the competition.
1:20 honestly speaking I had in mind you will post a younger picture of you and now 😂😂😂 i don’t know why!
What exactly does up to 300w mean Rob? Does that mean its peak output is 300w? Or is that the nominal output? Is it EU legal? Edit: I really don't mind that you have to flip the bike to change settings. You're only going to do that at the start of the ride, and it takes 2 minutes anyway. Loved the "Ah for FU-" when you dropped the valve though. That's gonna rattle in there and drive you mental!
so leaving the bike in the garage in the winter with its non removeable battery is not a good thing.
so your pretty much always going to be using the extender, and even at 530 watts thats not alot.
Thank you for your video.
Non removable battery… absolute no go for me.
I keep my bikes in a shed, sub zero temperatures in winter, hot in summer.
I find it cumbersome to have to get the bike close to an electrical outlet.
And… if I can remove the battery the bike would get even lighter to be packed in a car or up some stairs.
A fantastic review, but not for me in the Lakes. I can’t imagine it would survive many crashes on Lakeland rocks. Unlike my trusty Turbo Levo Comp alloy… scratched up but going strong. At the berry least the Scott needs a bash plate.
Light weight ebike with heavy price
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Nice bike, but I wouldn't trade my eRansom 910 for two of these bikes.
Привет, а как дешево облегчить велосипед?
Ahh complicating bikes for the sake of design rather than utility seems to be the standard for Scott. And screw this trend with headset cable routing - it only makes working on the bike harder and creates issues when you're trying to replace the standard headset with something better or when the original wears out - in some cases it's even impossible to use other headsets than the ones from the manufacturer of the bike! Thanks but no thanks.
Moving closer to becoming a Surron
LOL
More? It’s got weak power and a small battery how is that more like a suron?🤣
Nice looking bike but beware of TQ motors my father in law was loving his lumen until his tq motor packed up after 500kms. Very disappointed since I tried selling him of a getting an ebike. Good service by tq though they did replaced the motor however for it to break after a pathetic 500km disgraceful.
The bike looks cool, but it seems that the design hasn‘t been fully (no pun intended) thought through. Seeing that parts can fall into the frame when fiddling around with the rear shock, could almost be qualified as a design failure. It seems it is targeting an audience who doesn‘t do anything on their bike and instead lets their bike shop do any servicing. Which, I think, excludes enthusiast riders. And at that price point, I can only think of some folks with big wallets who want a bike that looks too clean and never really take it out on the trail or any dirt. I don‘t think that kind of design is going to stay - let‘s see if Scott will prove me wrong.
Agree with this... removing the valve cap to add/remove air pressure from the shock is not really maintenance...
6min 42sec ..... oh for f............ ! 🤣😂😁
porsche and i phone are poor comparisons both products have iconic shapes which are not in the companies interest to change but still very nice bike . bike design has started to slow down as there is not much difference in shape between manufacturers so smaller cosmetic changes which are really not necessary for the function of the bike and for the most part are used to temp us to part with our cash which is fine we all like the wow factor
My Battery/Bike lives in an unheated garage i have to remove battery to charge in winter so a non removable battery is no good.
Twelve grand? More than a brand new Honda Transalp adventure bike, that will literally take you around the actual world? ...seriously, they're taking the p*ss now
Cool bike but a non removable battery by the owner that’s a big no for me , 🤔👎
Why are so many e-bikes equipped with huge travel, making them ridiculously heavy? I have a short travel trail bike (130 front and rear) and it is plenty for the riding I do. I am an experienced mountain biker and I have no physical issues, no need for a motor and have 16 years of XC racing behind me. If I ever bought an ebike, the last thing I would need is a lot of travel.
Big drops, eeeeb back to the top. Do some more big drops
The Lumen might fit the bill then, the E version of the Spark with 130 travel
It looks like 2024 is going to be the year that e-bikes cost the same as a small car...wtf
Not the future, because of hidden shock
Pinon MTB are crushing all other manufacturers....ebikes chew cassettes and chains
10k and it’s not even full fat😂…..nope!
Scott engineers don't ride or wrench on bikes and this is proof
Nope. That's a bike of the past. It's got a standard link-chain and a rear mech. Bikes of the future have a belt drive and gears on the engine
50nm is weak, my bosch has 85nm. Make atleast 200nm torque then I will think about buying one.
non removable battery is unfortunatelly hudge no no for me. Temp in my basement drops to nearly zero celcius during winter. And do not have socket to charge there. I live in block of flats in the city.
Looks pretty cool but in reality it's a ridiculous piece of junk considering the price tag
Scott would be a very attractive barand but their prices and shock design really aren't for me
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Last thing I need is more pointless complexity in the cockpit to manage the rear shock only. Nobody asked for this.
Nothing even close to under £5k and a mid-range closer to £10k. WTF.
Not reflecting the bike industries current financial position and the real world at all.
Hardly futuristic with a derailleur.
If you want to waste your money on stuff that literally has no benefit at all and brings on endless potential problems, we’ve found you the bike to buy🤣
10g for a push bike is ridicules
Still too heavy……!!!! specially with only 50Nm motor,
That battery wouldn't get me to the corner store. 🫤