Kiri Explained | Avatar: The Way of Water Explained
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- A quick comprehensive guide and analysis of Kiri Sully or Kiri te Suli Kìreysì'ite from Avatar: The Way of Water (2022) Explained.
In this breakdown, analysis, reaction and ending explanation we focus on answering the questions, “What are Kiri’s powers?”, “Who is Kiri’s father or dad?”, “Why is Kiri?”, “What does the great mother want from Kiri?”. As well as Kiri’s relationship and mystery surrounding her mother Dr. Grace Augustine; both characters played by Sigourney Weaver. Like looking at video logs from the Site 26 Link Station in the Hallelujah Mountains and the Omatikaya’s Clan’s High Camp.
Mostly, by explaining who Eywa (All-Mother or Great Mother) is, as well as Pandora's Network of Energy and the global consciousness. In order to get to that answer, I go over the Recom Program or Recombination Program, also known as Project Phoenix. Specifically, how the Backups work; comparing the human’s (Sky People’s) RDA Avatar Program technology to the Na’vi’s moon Pandora. Also, exploring her relationship with Tuk, Miles “Spider” Socorro, Jake Sully, Neytiri, Neteyam, and Lo'ak. Miles’ parents, Paz Socorro and Colonel Miles Rick Quaritch, may tear apart their friendship in Avatar 3 (2024).
I use material from deleted scenes from Avatar (2009), the original script, Avatar: A Confidential Report on the Biological and Social History of Pandora (James Cameron's Avatar), The World of Avatar: A Visual Exploration, Avatar The Way of Water The Visual Dictionary The Visual Dictionary and interviews from James Cameron (Director & Writer) and Deborah Lynn Scott (Costume designer) to help you get the full scope of this character.
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the fact that kiri was played by a 71 year old is still crazy to me
Is kiri played by syhorney weaver? I haven't seen the film.
@@kittybuckley3 yes, she is! And she is an awesome teenager! 😅
Her voice did not fit a teenage girl though. I thought it sounded odd the entire movie
Her voice did not fit a teenage girl though. I thought it sounded odd the entire movie
@@Heyysisah2 I watched it in German, so I can't testify that
Honestly her mystery is not hard to figure out. In the first movie Grace says “I’m with her jake she’s real” something within those lines meaning she’s with Eywa. They want you to think Kiri has a dad but she doesn’t at all. She’s like a reincarnation of Grace but the child of Eywa. Also to add why I think she’s a reincarnation of Grace is because Kiri was being born and in the womb of Grace’s body as if she’s being reborn
Yeah Im with you
Damn nice explanation! I totally agree.👍🏽
I was thinking the same thing. Explains why there was a malfunction caused by her memories when asking herself questions.
@@epieon943 I’m still trying to understand what happened I took it as she is basically asking herself and Eywa that question and since Eywa is kinda like a god of the planet it didn’t know how to handle that question and it basically malfunctioned like you said but idk I’m just going off
@@KAGIICHII If Eywa was present then she wouldnt have caused Kiri to seize up and giving Kiri a terror memory almost resulting in her death. Also I am not 100 percent on this theory, only because it does not explain how Kiri can harness the power to control the planet, especially in a manner of violence. Network and biological defenses from the planet gives clues on that the planet is a sentient network (like a server). So malfunction or an error of Kiri asking herself questions makes a little sense. I have so many questions tho. Why a human / avatar is chosen for this role? Is Eywa evolving her defensive measures by using Kiri? Maybe Eywa was manmade.. lol too much thought into this.
neytiri going beast mode in the climax was just epic, she wasn't kidding about killing the sky people.
It's one of my favorite scenes. Definitely added complexity to her character.
Can you blame her?
Killing one’s son might just bring the savage out of anyone.
Being ready to kill her adoptive child to save her real child shows what a great mother she is.
Bit late to the party here but check out the deleted scene of Neytiri turning into a complete psycho during that scene. Haunting
Can we all agree that Q 2.0 was absolutely terrified of Neytiri. It was subtle at first but then every time he saw her arrows he'd get more and more terrified
Every time? He saw her arrows one time
@@ChillerllI counted about 3 to 4 times that his reaction to the arrows was focused on throughout the movie
Sigourney Weaver as Kiri is by far my favorite thing about The Way Of Water! She's just so freaking good at playing an annoyed teenager who is absolutely done with everyone's stupidity.
I haven't seen it yet, but that is hardly surprising. Weaver is just a born sardonic actress.
Lmao i was so fascinated with Kiri and didn't even know it was Weaver untill I looked it up.
Way of Way
My theory is that she IS THE DOCTOR. I think the consciousness transfer failed due to her injuries but Ewya (not sure I spelled it right) found another way to resurrect her. I think Ewya impregnated Grace's avatar herself and implanted Grace's consciousness into the fetus. I think she is basically the REINCARNATION of the Doctor. When she sees the Doctor in her "vision" I think its LITERALLY HER. I think this is the science fiction version of reincarnation.
I liked her character but could not UN hear Sigourney Weavers voice. It was so out of place from the moment she started speaking. She sounds far too old for her character imo. I understand her connection with Sigourneys character but having Sigourney voice her we a mistake imo. A 13 year old navi who sounds 60 plus is just so off.
Eywa couldn't transfer Grace's adult consciousness into the Avatar because too much time had passed when she was shot. But, Eywa could create a small life inside of Grace's Avatar to reincarnate Grace's Spirit/Soul.
Yeah, I'm having a very hard time with that! It makes *0* sense!
@@smileyfacewithsunglasses7613It’s immaculate conception. Graces human DNA is apart of the Avatar, Graces human body had already lost too much blood, therefore her consciousness couldn’t be transferred in time. So instead, Ewya impregnates her healthy Avatar body. The Avatar body was kept safe in the lab, while Kiri grew in her Avatar body.
@@smileyfacewithsunglasses7613She is the Messiah
@@firstthings_first9828 w
@@smileyfacewithsunglasses7613 so does emmaculate conception.
The sky people didn’t break neytiris bow; her vengeful fit of violence in blind murderous anger did, somehow representing responsibility, her father, her heritage. At least, I think it’s something like that. The bow breaking might actually be symbolic of her breaking point having lost her son on top of everything. It’s just reliving her trauma
I thought something similar when I saw that scene. I think it might be foreshadowing that in her quest for vengeance, she might unknowingly endanger her clan and her family. I think that will be her character arc: learning maybe not to forgive, because she has suffered way too much, but learning that instead of throwing everything out of a window and seek revenge, she can choose to fight not to avenge the dead but to protect her loved ones that are still alive.
Yea I kinda got the same thing. When you let you self get blinded by anger, you can't control what consequences come of it. She let her sons death and her pain/hatred take hold and she lost sight, causing even more pain in the process (destroying her father's bow)
The world of Avatar is so intimately personal. Every piece of the lore is, in some way, related to the Na'Vi's (and the rest of Pandora's creatures) personal relation to everything around them. Less about Kings and kingdoms, and more about connections.
Deep connections and deep love. It really set this series apart from other Sci-Fi and Fantasy.
i completely agree, it's beautiful
How would the lore not be about their personal relationship with the world around them?
What I like about it is that, in some ways, you can at least identify with one character based on either a single or multiple aspects of them.
I remember someone saying that the movie is bad because none of the characters are relatable. When I asked him in what context; does he mean himself or in general (as in every single moviegoer), his response was the latter. I then said, well I identify with Lo’ak as I too feel like an outcast and constantly ostracised for trying to do good but ending up messing it for everyone. His response… silence and just informing me. I think that speaks volumes that people undeservingly hate this movie because they tend to look at the most trivial and surface level negative aspects of the movie because unless it is a Nolan movie, then you are not allowed to think too much about the more personal aspects. To dig deep beyond the surface level. But I digress.
My point is, I’m glad that there are people out there who appreciate this movie beyond the blind hatred and that they are looking at it with a more analytical POV.
How do you find all of this extra lore and information outside the movies?? I need to know
Kiri is a Skywalker situation. Conceived through the will of the force, Eywa. She's the chosen one.
True, but unlike Rey, Kiri does not act all tough like Rey.
I think she is Dr. Grace REINCARNATED. I think Ewya absorbed her soul (or "consciousness" if you want a scientific equivalent to that religious word) and implanted it into the fetus since the consciousness transfer failed due to being done too late. I think she is not seeing a different person in her flashback vision but seeing her own previous self. As I said its a form of REINCARNATION.
@@HeliPotter2000 The people who are the MOST tough never "act" tough. A perfect example is Mr. Miyagi in Karate kid.
Does that make Quaritch Vader later in the future movies?
@@woodonfire7406 seems like it😂
Kiri is essentially female alien Jesus who was born without a father and goes around performing miracles. I feel like she will be the key to winning the war against humans and preserving peace in the upcoming movies.
Jesus has a father tho
@@Anguish88 they mean a physical father on earth not God
@@Lila17_ his physical father is Jose
@@Anguish88 Yes Jesus did have parents but he came from God and so Joseph is his legal father. Mary is his mother.
@@Anguish88 he doesn't have a father
I also noticed Kiri was a hell of a lot more conserative about the way she dresses, like Grace in her avatar was, even covering herself up more when meeting the new Navi. Less comfortable with so much skin showing even if it was the typical Navi way.
Maybe the didn’t want to show half naked alien teenage girls in this movie
@@Chillerllwhat about tsireya?? that doesn’t make sense and that’s not why…
jake and neytiri were more ”covered up” too when they arrive at the sea clan. It wasn t about modesty it was about the long commute flying in the wind, they needed to keep themselves somewhat warm.
She’s so freaking cute, the way she’s just so entranced by nature and animals it’s like escapism for her. I know it’s not said in the movie but she’s kinda giving witchy vibes. Kids calling her weird because she just loves the little things around her, her wild kind of magical nature, she likes BOTANY and makes her own medicine pouches, and her connection to god (eywa) is relatable and raw, She’s defintly connected to it all 💕💕
Im kinda sad her actor isn't like the one in alita, her actor is actually really old
Straight facts
I don't think Spider saved his father because he lacked a father figure. Right after he dragged him onto the rocks he hissed at him and took of again. I think Spider saved him, because he owed a debt because the Colonel didn't kill Kiri.
I agree
Honestly I just think Spider has a good heart and couldn't leave another person, regardless of who they are to drown at the bottom of the wreck.
yeah when he said that in the video i got skeptical. i felt why spider did it when i watched it, and your reasoning fits.
@@ProEvoKingbruh that person literally killed one of his best friend
@@dellz3008 that wasn't his father who shot him, it was the other soldier
Kiri is my favourite character. She's beautifully "different", played so well by Sigourney, and she just looks absolutely adorable. I love her.
me too! i lover her connection with nature
She's my fav too!
she was a good character but her smile scared me 💀
Same, she's my favourite I find her so intriguing and I really like her close relation with the live all around Pandora even in the water or the forest
Me too,, I love her ,, she is so beautiful.
Eywa birthed her child (that is also Grace's soul) through Grace's Avatar body.
Easy to figure out.
She is Eywa's carnation, Grace's reincarnation, as Eywa's child.
She will be the healing factor that will bring harmony. Not just to Pandora.
Yeah, she has a very Christ-like archetype in my opinion
I have this theory that Kiri is the first daughter of Eywa, she probably has all the knowledge Aywa has but doesn't quite know how to fully access it unless she's in stressful situations... For now. This would also mean that she is the most powerful person on Pandora since she can call upon the flora and fauna for protection when needed which would give her almost limitless power
Its 𝗘𝘆𝘄𝗮 not Aywa ( not being rude )
@@Heathers4lifer thanks for pointing that out, I'll edit my comment
@@WeirdTippy no problem
she is something like an avatar from avatar : the last airbender, then !
She is definitely blue monkey jesus
There's something that people haven't noticed from the movie that I find interesting. Grace is active and actually conscious inside Eywa, while the only other Na'vi we see inside the network is basically just reliving their best experiences and favorite memories like a dream. It makes me wonder if the reason that Kiri was born is because the Na'vi, due to having evolved in this ecosystem, basically just upload themselves into a never ending dream letting them live in the best moments of them and their ancestors lives. While Grace, a human mind and of an entirely separate evolutionary path of life, is still conscious fully and appears to be studying Eywa from the inside out. It could that Eywa is and has been dormant for a long long time. With the one human being in her network imbuing a new form of active consciousness that actually pushes Eywa towards actually acting over being an incumbent hive mind. The Na'vi themselves said Eywa's will must be interpreted and that she does not take sides. Grace and her memories of Earth finally pushed Eywa to movement and it's not stopping.
TLDR; Grace basically caused Eywa to download some new software and is now actively participating in the biosphere that forms her to fend off the outside threat of humans, with Kiri not only a Messiah figure, but also Eywa's new physical instrument upon her world
Either that or she's willing to save earth too, as that's what all the scientist intended too when they got to Pandora. Grace memories of Earth pushes Eywa, creating Kiri to be the bridge of Na'vi & Human. That's aligned with "Eywa doesn't takes side" too.
Who knows, maybe you hit something of the much-hyped plot of Avatar 4 with that.
Oh gosh yes yes yessssss! Grace and Kiri are literally my fave characters!! Finally something incredibly exciting in the movie industry…love these theories so amazing!!!
Messiah" (Hebrew) = "Avatar" (Sanskrit), both have similar definition. I don't understand why bringing a new Hebrew word and theology into this! The movie is clearly based on eastern, indian philosophies and epics.
Oml I want this to be true so bad I'm weeping😭😭😭
I love how she’s like “the child of eywa,” In which she’s much more connected with the world, as eywa brought her to life with Graces avatar.
21:40 I do hope Jake confronts Neytiri about her prejudice in Avatar 3 & tells her that whether she likes it or not, he considers Spider a son & that if she can accept & love him she has NO right to reject Spider, which could act as the catalyst to her overcoming this.
Neytiri could also confront this internally herself by seeing how she shouldn’t see Jake as the ‘one good human’ as I think she saw him as an exception among the ‘Sky People’ while tolerating Jake’s human friends for his sake as I don’t think she ever saw them as friends personally.
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Like 99% of humans came to Pandora to destroy everything about their planet and everything Neytiri loved. Her family got killed by humans. It's not like that "racism" just fell out of the sky, they traumatised her. They had literal WAR. The thing is that Jake no longer looks like a human and fought with them AGAINST the humans. So therefor it's hard for her to see Jake as one of the humans when he took the na'vi's side and looks just like them. Spider is the literal child of the general who pretty much controlled a bunch of everything that went down. She has EVERY reason to NOT like Spider. I do hope she will find a place in her heart so accept him though. But Jake was way worse this movie. He treated his own kids like soldiers instead of as his sons. That's more disgusting than Neytiri who has every reason to hate humans.
Neytiri doesn’t even hate spider if she did she would have killed him and kept him away from her kids. She just thinks he belongs w his ppl (which he does). And to consider neytiri’s feelings “racism” is just simply wrong she doesn’t owe spider or the humans anything, I think all of her actions were justified in my opinion.
@@siennastewart5699 "which he does" he's literally as Pandoran as Neytiri is. He was born and raised there. He's literally more Pandoran than Jake will ever be. Neytiri's prejudice, while understandable, is highly hypocritical and totally incorrect.
@@SilverstreamPJ28 Jake saw pandora through the eyes of a Navi he’s done things spider will never be able to, he can’t bond w and ikran or horses he also can ‘t connect with any of the spirit trees. And on top of that he isn’t considered ometikya so he not more Navi than Jake bc Jake participated in their culture. Also neytiri’s “prejudice” is completely justified bc spider did help the enemy through the movie and he did little to stop them.
Kiri is the most fascinating character in the movie. Her connection to Eywa is what makes her so special and unique.
Man.. I feel bad about Spider getting hate by Neytiri, at the end of the movie, after he saves his father Quaritch. He didn't come with him instead he chose to come back with the family he knows and even tho Neytiri almost killed him. He goes straight to the mourning Sully family like nothing happened. What a chad..
I hope Neytiri gets called out for her behavior and actually starts improving. At the same time her behavior is understandable, given that she never had to deal with such amount of loss until the humans arrived. They didnt even know for the concept of lying before the humans thought them. She never process such loss in a healthy way, since her husband isnt what you can call a psychiatrist, nor do the Navi have anything close to a psychiatrist in their society besides the spiritual leader (which is her mom, who also never properly processed the same loss) and Eywa. This might also be the reason why Neytiri became so "religious" in the following years, praying for Eywa. The great mother was there in their most darkest hour and a comfort when they needed it the most. The final scene of the movie basically was Jake and Neytiri going to therapy with Eywa as the psychiatrist.
Man you just spoiled it for me lol
@@matthewtenorioduenas202 What are you even doing here? This entire video is a spoiler. You got only yourself to blame.
neytiri has no good reason to like or trust any human
@@dwynm_ Besides her husband being a human once, and a lot of the Hell´s Gate scientists and personnel rebelling against other humans in favor of the Navi, and also Grace and her daughter Kiri. Neytiri has things to work out and I hope her kids help her realize that holding hate will only make her more miserable.
It broke my heart to see her crying after after she woke up from her seizure 😢 but she’s my favorite character 😊
Me too !! My poor baby !!
Why did she cry ?
@@BCSBB not really sure it wasn’t explained I’dev wanted to know as well
I think it’s because she saw Grace get killed
3:06 I think it is awesome how this is inspired by the real mycorrhiza networks found in many forests, where some older trees use that network for primitive communication and even to nurture young saplings. Sure it doesn't have the bandwith shown in Avatare but it is nonetheless amazing, that some scientists could prove that the fungi tree symbiosis is much deeper than we previously thought.
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Notice how the title was about Kiri and he ended up mentioning most if not all characters and the animals of pandora and overall Eywa. Everything is tied together brilliantly! James Cameron is a legend.
Kiri's biological mother is Grace's _Avatar body,_ not Grace herself. And no father was involved, technically making this some kind of immaculate conception (although it's funny to also consider that in a weird way Sigourney Weaver's character gives birth to herself.)
Suddenly it all makes sense that _Way of Water_ is coming out around Christmas -- this is the nativity!
Grace’s avatar is grace just a Na’vi version of her so yes her mother is grace
Kiri
so she's jesus? dope
All hail Blue cat people Jesus, lol!
She's Eywa incarnate, Im calling it.
It's fascinating how the story seems so simple yet have so many layers and meanings and only gets deeper as you think about it!!
lolts of people in social media says story is stupid ,but most of them don't even have slightest idea what's good story is lol
I agree, although many say the story is too simple or lacks writing, as a former screenwriting student I can tell you the story here is actually pretty good and well structured but _only_ if you understand what is going on or you will be a bit lost 😅 but hey, each to their own opinion, some might understand the story but may not like it
@@Bladeki Some movie critics have said that the story would better fit a 2 hour movie but that the story was not enough to justify a 3 hour movie. I personally disagree.
We need to separate the lore from the story. The lore is very rich and detailed indeed. However the actual plot of the movie was paper-thin. None of these ideas were explored in depth in the plot.
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I rewatched the first Avatar and early in the movie Grace says “I’d die to get a sample” referring to the soul tree. When she is being brought to the tree she looks up and says “I’ll have to get a sample”
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I didn’t expect Kiri’s character to be so painfully relatable. As someone on the autism spectrum, I saw a lot of myself in her quirks (and others’ reactions to them), her closeness to nature, the wonder and comfort she found in the water, her open-mindedness, and her need to understand her identity. I even felt my eyes sting when she voiced her distress over her awareness of being different, and of always feeling (Eywa) so strongly, because I’ve been overwhelmed by similar perplexing emotions and interrogations my whole life.
same
Same. I love that we as autistics relate to "Pandora Jesus". I really liked the new characters we got. Im still mourning Grace and Trudy though😪
me too!! my first thought abput kiri is a headcanon about her being autistic but i was scared to share it with others because i thought it was only me and that im weird, but im glad other autistics think that as well!!!!
I do not think that Kiri is autistic. Her social skills are just fine and she gets along with people great. If you want to see Asperger's Syndrome in a space opera I recommend Lieutenant Barklay on Star Trek Next. Gen.
@@Zurround Kiri might not necessarily have been written as intentional autism representation, but as someone who didn’t get diagnosed until adulthood precisely because I didn’t "seem" autistic, I personally identify with her much more than with most characters that behave and speak in stereotypical manners. I do tend to sympathize with more obvious robot and/or alien characters who struggle to grasp human nature and customs, like Data, but I don’t stand out like them. My eccentricities usually look more like Kiri getting mocked for her odd fascination with patterns in the sand, or breaking down because she can’t figure out what’s wrong with her.
The problem is that autism is still largely misunderstood and a lot of people on the spectrum, especially girls, learn to mask their symptoms to appear "normal" from a very young age, which causes many (like me) to get overlooked until they eventually can no longer cope. I absolutely *can* make eye contact (even though I often find it distracting and unnecessary), infer how to express myself in socially approved manners, use figurative language, laugh at people’s jokes, feel for others, and nurture several friendships. (In fact, too many people are drawn to me because I reflexively tend to be overly accommodating, something I’ve been working on.)
Blending in is very taxing in the long run, but entirely possible to achieve at times for those of us who are particularly aware of and bothered by other people’s judgement. It’s not so much that I "act autistic" as it is that I’ve always felt fundamentally different from even my loved ones, like something I can’t quite pinpoint is off, added to the constant feeling that everything is just too much. That’s why Kiri’s subtle but oh so relatable personality quirks appealed to me so much.
Being the incarnation of Eywa is potent stuff. It gives you about the same level of animal magnetism as the average Pokemon trainer.
I feel like Grace's Avatar body was essentially a surrogate for Eywa's child, which in turns results in essentially Grace being reincarnated. When Grace was dying, her Avatar body being connected to the tree of memories is where she was 'conceived'. Eywa couldn't save Grace, but could at least give her a fresh start.
I do not think she is literally Eywa but that Eywa impregnated Dr. Grace's Avatar and she is the reincarnation of Grace but with special powers no other Navi has.
She's basically Eywa's "Avatar"
@@GamingMafia_id That's how I took it. Assuming Kiri becomes a key character in the overall story of the series, it gives significant additional dimension to the "Avatar" name.
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I think the answer of who Kiri really is, is in the very name of the movie, Kiri is the AVATAR of Eywa herself, biologically incarnated using Grace's Avatar, to gestate a "clone" using Grace's Avatar's own genetic map, being Kiri an espiritual descendant of Grace but an actual Avatar of Eywa.
I don't think that neytiri is being unfair, it only shows how complex she is, and the argument that she married a human doesn't apply that much because he gained her trust by saving her people and also looking like a navi, spider just hang out with them as a human, so i can understand her on how much hatred she has for him, specially after all of those losses that she has suffered, it simply wouldn't make sense for her to accept and like this unknown human child who just hang out with her kids and putting them in danger as well
And the kid is The colonels son, the one guy who started the war
16 years of someone spending time around your family 100% removes them from "stranger" status. Realistically, she would know Spider better than any other human she's ever come into contact with besides her husband.
Even if her hatred makes sense, she's definitely being unfair. Neytiri is the kind of character who is written to be extremely stubborn and prejudiced against things she doesn't have first hand experience witnessing. So I believe in the next film, it will take her having several direct experiences with Spider where she sees him prove her wrong. Because hearing others vouge for Spider isn't enough for her. The same thing happened between her and Jake. It took her seeing him put his life on the line for her people to actually come to fully trust him, even though he'd already extensively proven he was a good person.
Really hoping she has some sort of humbling experience that causes her character to grow past her current mindset. Because right now, her attitude towards humans is basically where she assumes them to all be evil/terrible, with the exception of Jake who she probably labels as "one of the good ones" which is obviously not the best perspective.
@@DaAnnoyingPandahe didn’t start the war what are you smoking?
She was about to kill a family friend without hesitation. Naitiri is a horrible person.
@@Chillerll yeah he did, you’re just mad because I’m right tf
The first time you see Kiri interacting with Eywa is on the grass actually. Also I really, really want them to turn Grace's Na'Vi book from the first movie into a real book. I'd love to read it so much.
Making the book from the first movie into a book you can buy at the book store is a BRILLIANT idea, pretend written by Dr. Grace. After the first page of "real life" info like Author and publish date etc they should have a pretend one that says the doctor's name as author and maybe "Copyright 2055" or something. We also need OFFICIAL NOVELIZATIONS of the movies as books often go into more detail. A PREQUEL novel about the early stages of human exploration of Pandora and the avatar program would be interesting as well as a "Midquel" novel that bridges the gap of many years between the first 2 movies. Star Wars and Star Trek does a lot of that.
@@Zurround Totally!! Like Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them lesson/study book saying written by Newt Scamander and having a dedication thingy to Tina. Same with the fictional author of the Quidditch lesson book
this.... i cannot stress how much i would buy it and read it, and then buy listen to an audiobook version read by Sigourney Weaver
Yes and a lessonbook for how to learn Na'vi. Perhaps with audio, I don't know. I had this Na'vi language lessons printed once from a site, but I don't remember which one that was...
Thing is. Na'vi is a developed conlang that you CAN learn. (conlang= constructed language, like Sindarin from LOTR or Klingon from Star Trek is too)
I love that they made Kiri for the second movie, I loved Grace in the first movie and I was so sad when they killed her off cause she was my favourite and I wished we got to see more of her and her relationship with the Na'vi
Samee ;__; Grace, my favourite in the 1st film. Now it's Kiri. So happy they found a way to bring Sigourney back
Sooo same!!
She was an incredibly wholesome character on the first movie, and truly loved the Na'vi and their culture despite coming from the "human's side". I was also pretty sad when they killed her off, I'm glad she's back, too.
The choice to have Sigourney Weaver voice act for Kiri solidified the connection all too well for me. Kiri not having a father would also work to explain why her voice and hair the exact same. She’s a clone of her mother, with very minor changes from Eywa’s influence.
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I love the "chosen one" trope in literature and media. Definitely my favourite story arc in this movie. I hope they dive deeper into this with the next movie!
She was my favorite character. She is so precious and when people realize what she brings to the team she will be a top three contributor. Don't sleep on best girl.
Kiri will probably grow up to be the most powerful Tsahik in Na'vi history who becomes a "messiah figure" for both Na'vi and humans. She is an important character who is likely the physical incarnation of Eywa, an equivalent to Jesus' story in the Bible. Kiri is also the key to learning more about Eywa and the entity's motives which is likely the protection of Pandora from humanity by helping humanity save Earth. In the Avatar Survival Guide, Pandora's flora and plant life can save Earth's environment. The Na'vi can help because of their deep understanding of Pandora's flora through their own history of research and studies. This makes sense because Cameron hinted that Avatar 5 will be about some Na'vi and Neytiri heading to Earth. However, due to Kiri's similarity to Jesus, we have to worry if Kiri will also face a similar end as Jesus who was crucified in the end. A parallel can be seen in Anakin Skywalker who was "crucified" in a way by becoming Darth Vader and later fulfilling his fate of bringing balance to the Force by killing Darth Sidious, weakening the Sith and the Dark Side greatly which allowed the Light Side to rise again. Will Kiri survive to the end of Avatar 5 or will she be killed/sacrificed in her efforts to bring peace and harmony between Pandora and Earth? So many questions as we worry about the fates of all the main characters. However, we know Norm will survive as there is information of the Distant Future when humans and Na'vi learn to coexist with the help of the Alpha Centauri Expeditions which an older Norm is part of.
Future Character Fates after Avatar 5: The Quest for Eywa Theory
1. Jake Sully -> Deceased and dies defending Pandora from the RDA. His final heroic actions also indirectly save Quaritch in the process.
2. Neytiri -> Alive but spends the rest of her life on Earth to help humanity heal. Her remains are later sent back to Pandora.
3. Lo'ak & Tsierya -> Alive and continue to support Aonung as the Metakyina's next Olo'eyktan.
4. Kiri -> Deceased because of a great sacrifice she undertook to save both Na'vi and humanity.
5. Tuktirey -> Alive and spends the rest of her life on Earth but travels back to Pandora occasionally.
6. Spider -> Alive. He mourns Kiri's death and continues to help improve relations between Earth and Pandora.
7. Quaritch (Recom) -> Alive and honors Jake's sacrifice by supporting his son (Spider) and continuing to defend humanity on Pandora.
8. Norm -> Alive and helps lead the Alpha Centauri Expeditions to improve relations between Pandora and Earth. He also loves researching Pandora's mysteries.
9. Lyle Wainfleet (Recom) -> Deceased after working with Quaritch to fight for humanity's survival and redemption.
I could imagine the Navi make a trip to earth in an attempt to negotiate a treaty. I can't imagine public support of an existential genocidal war against a primitive intelligent species would be very good. Its also probably difficult and energy intensive to send understandable messages to earth from pandora, which an early colony simply could not do. Therefor, the RDA could simply lie about the state of war between Humans and Navi. The Navi need to go to earth to break the information gap, but also do some side effect stuff thats even more important.
She's just a cat alien in the way of mining
She’s only similar to Jesus in that Grace got pregnant from the god and she has powers that Jesus was perfect and didn’t sin
This is kind of the direction I have been expecting them to go early on and watching the movie and I like it
You’re my soulmate 😂 Right after the movie I said to my mom that I felt like Kiri was an incarnation of Eywa and symbolically Jesus, she just laughed in my face 🤣
This is exactly what I thought while watching. The idea that it is essentially grace but reborn. Kiri is a miracle idk why they talked about and questioned who her father is in the movie
Does no one else think that Kiri and Spider might be attracted to each other in a romantic or physical way too?! I think they might be.I mean he playfully grabs her by the tail and she seems to like it..and his level of protection to her is kinda "extra". Like how he yelled at the Marines not to touch her during the ambush and Kiri even calls one of the Avatar Marines later a "perv" for abducting her.. so we all know Kiri has lots of appeal & she knows it too..
I always thought of it as a close sibling relationship, never as a romantic one.
Oh yeah. I totally saw this too!
She is his sister.
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I agree I see this as a potential power couple in a future movie. Spider and Kiri are both the odd ones out, who also serve as a bridge because of their connection to both humans and Pandora. They both can become key to balancing the two worlds! Them becoming a couple also works with the fact that Spider wasn't fully accepted as 'family' by all of the Sullys *cough* Neytiri *cough*, making it feel less like they're siblings (to me, I sensed more of the crush/attraction between the two, than a sibling relationship).
They seem more like siblings to me
Feel like Kiri is going to be important part in the sequels and be the hope of Pandora just like Aang from another Avatar.
Lmao Aang, I'm glad someone thought of it as well :)
@@screechingweasel34 yes! I had the same thoughts haha
I'm glad this Avatar movie is far better than the other one. I loved both of the Avatar movies.
Kiri is my favorite. I hope to see more of her powers in the next movies.
She has an EVEN DEEPER connection to nature than the other Navi and adapts extremely quickly. Before long she was holding her breath even longer than the trained divers of that tribe could.
She has to be the main charackter of the 3rd movie. I think her powers will grow much stronger while she learns to use them even better. I also sense a love story betwen Kiri and Spider, which will be complicated because Spiders dad is still alive and behaves like the devil himself.
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I think that Spider saving the Colonel shows more what kind of character he has than wanting to save a father. I don't think he could have left anyone to drown.
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I think its funny how they assumed that her connection to Eywa was just assumed to be symptoms of her seizures. But I guess in the world of Ethernet, the Wifi user is a heretic
I’m also going to add, I love how that don’t even try to humanize Quaritch until he isn’t human. Only when he’s a Na’vi does he seem to gain humanity
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I have this theory that Grace and Colonel were together at some time that we don’t know about and that Spyder and Kiri are siblings. It would be a crazy connection
I think Kiri is a character needed for humans to understand what Eywa is all about - humans couldn’t bond with Eywa because of physical reasons. They need “hard proof”
i absolutely loved kiri yo, i knew from the moment i saw her, she wouldve made geace so proud. she is literally such a beautiful avatar, i love itt
So do I she’s my favorite
First review I've read. And what a great job you did. You surfaced all the deeper themes.
I think Neturyi’s issue with spider is not that his a human his a the child of a sky person she killed 💯
They got animosity toward each other…but she tolerates him cuz her kids like spider…so she would never hurt him…
She almost kills him to get back at Colonel guy.
@@brentphillips9965 not to get back at the colonel, she threatened to kill him if he didnt leave Kiri alone. She was bargaining, if he hurt Kiri then she would hurt spider.
@@botanicalitus4194how is that not getting back at him?
I know that sounds weird at first but hear me out: My theory is that Kiri is the equivalent to Jesus on Earth. We dont know who's the father of Kiri and Graces Avatar got pregnant right after her human body has died. Before the final fight in the first movie, Jake asked Eywa for help resulting in the animals killing a bunch of humans. But what if Eywa went further than that and gave the Na'vi a girl with the power of Eywa? This would explain why Kiri has these powers like controlling animals and plants like Eywa. And since Grace was too weak to get transfered to her Avatar body, Eywa put her soul into a new body instead.
I can see where the Christian connection could be liked due to immaculate conception, but I would also say that the concept of Avatar takes inspirations from eastern religions such as Hinduism. Avatar literally meaning "descent", signifying the material appearance or incarnation of a powerful deity, goddess or spirit on Earth (you could argue that Jesus is the Avatar of Earth and Humanity in a way). Eywa is the Goddess and spirit of Pandora, and Kiri represents her will in physical form. Being birthed from Grace was a way for Eywa to manifest this new entity, since it was a perfect situation and perfect moment to achieve this, largely due to Grace connecting to Eywa, staying with Eywa, and her Avatar body remaining alive to achieve immaculate conception
If you watch the scene where Grace is dying, Mo'at asks Eywa to put her in the new body. Eywa was probably "instructions unclear, I put Grace in the womb" and there ya go it's Grace reincarnated spiritually but not mentally if that makes sense
@@Bionickpunkshi is both, she is the will of eywa, she is somekind of reincarnation of grace, and she is also somekind of child of prophecy, while yeah avatar might be inspired more from eastern religions, but the also christian inspiration for Kiri is pretty apparent
Eywa is the “father” and Grace is just reincarnated as Kiri
@@Bionickpunk REINCARNATION is prevalent in Eastern religions. I still say that KIRI is actually the deceased Dr. Grace.
I was digging the gigachad alien whale who was outcast from his society because they thought he killed another creature. I thought it was cool that in this whale society they swore to a kind of spiritual pacifism after years of conflict with one another and so even if the violence is to save others, a whale hurting another creature would risk losing their community, pod, and chance of mating etc. However this specific alien whale decided that he would give up hope on being accepted in order to help save some blue aliens in the water and that is some dope shit
I also liked Kiri who I believe is actually her mother who gave birth to herself but in the body of a blue alien after talking with the planet just before dying
I also loved the space whale but like.. doesnt it eat small fish to survive? Surely to them it doesnt feel like pacifism lol
Gosh James Cameron is such a tree hugger
i’m so glad someone doesn’t immediately bash spider, his character is complicated and you need to approach the things he did with the same mindset, great video!
I just got back from watching this. I got the impression that Spider and Kiri had a thing for each other, at least Spider has a huge crush on Kiri. I think Kiri's "father" is pretty evident given Grace was more in touch with Aywa than many of the actual Na'vi, as you said. There were a LOT of hints to spoilers for the next film at the end of Way of the Water, many which include focus on Kiri and Spider. Total kudos to all those actors for being so talented we either didn't believe they weren't teenagers or made us cry or made us hate them.
Eh my take is that since Grace couldn’t be reborn TO her avatar, Eywa had her reborn THROUGH her avatar as Kiri. And since Grace’s “soul” is with Eywa now, Kiri was born with her ability to harness the power of Eyw
I think the story has missed a real opportunity to add a very cool layer of story and character with Kiri and Jake. Think about this: they are the only two characters in these stories, and probably on all of Pandora, who have "passed through the eye of Eywa". Jake had to pass through to transfer to his Avatar body. Grace likewise had to pass through the eye of Eywa - but she was too weak to pass into her Avatar body. Instead, Eywa creates a child from her essence and sends that child into the world as Grace's daughter. There's no father in the traditional sense. Kiri and Jake share an experience and a connection with Eywa - each in a unique way. Clearly, Kiri is developing as a character into a sort of super tsahik. Jake, I think, has been a bit short changed. He had a strong enough connection with Eywa to become Toruk Makto. It seems reasonable that there is more to that connection, more for him to discover, more abilities to develop in defense of all Na'vi rather than kind of just returning to jarhead mode.
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Eywa is like Mother Earth but with a more advanced consciousness and connection with everything. I think Kiri is just Grace reborn and Grace was always interested in the connection with Eywa and all things but was always looking from the outside in. She definitely had the aptitude to be more. So now she gets to look at it from the inside, and bc she was always inclined to hear Eywa, her senses are turned up to 11 because she’s been hearing and tuned into Eywa since birth. This is why when she connects with the spirit tree, she basically has access to all of the planet and it’s power/information and it overwhelms her body. So she needs to hone her abilities first. Another theory I have is Kiri is the trinity, with Grace and Eywa being the mother and the Holy Spirit. I think Kiri will eventually teach everyone to evolve spiritually and really hear Eywa so they can interface with her on another level. Basically be Gods of the planet and maybe all of reality. I’m sure there are more people like Kiri scattered throughout the planet too, waiting to be found. It’s a very similar story to how it is here on Earth ❤️
I believe that Kiri is essentially the REINCARNATION of Dr. Grace. Also, many ancient Earth mythologies anthropomorphized nature itself hence the term "mother nature" as a deity of sorts. EYWA is just the modern science fiction version of that mythos (for another planet but maybe there is only ONE nature spirit that governs the whole universe.).
Pagan bs
I saw another video that theorized her father, and the theory they presented was that Eywa kinda fathered KIri so she could take a physical form, being that Kiri is part Eywa (deity) and part Avatar/grace
This was SUCH a great and informative video. As a big fan of avatar I didn’t know 90% of what you were expounding on, so thx to you I’m now even mooooore invested. Thanks bryce!
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I loved her character the most, the way she would just "submerge" herself in the moment and just live and breath with Eywa
Such a beautiful name to call your daughter!!! Literally calling her Pandora jesus is pretty cool haha
I feel like I was in the minority when, at the end, I was convinced Spider was gonna get stabbed by Ney'tiri. She didn't like him at all. Quaritch said at the start that he is not HIS son, but still felt like it at the end. I was still glad Spider chose to go back to the Sullys, a fantastic middleground for me. Also, Kiri is a fun character, can't wait to see her in the next movie!! Great analasys.
Honestly... Kiri is the coolest character IMO. I would be happy if the next movies were mostly about her. I'm only scared that they'll make her grow up into someone less authentic and curious. Or that they will make her too powerful. Otherwise I'm already sad, that we won't see more of her as she grows into a holistic scientist or something, which would make for a cool miniseries.
This was amazing, very good job explaining the little details in depth
In the first movie, when discussing how her school was shut down, Grace says the pain she felt as a result of Neytiri’s sister’s death transferred back to her through her avatar. Not only was it great acting, I think it hinted at her pain and emotion transferring on to Kiri. Her arch was about putting her beliefs as a scientist aside to embrace an immeasurable force (that of Eywa and spirituality). The unknown and unseen.
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How is it hinting at a character of the second movie? Kiri wasn’t even invented then
Keep doing these videos, please. All these details and explanation from the characters are making me love Avatar even more. It's really really interesting. Thank u💙
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I don't think Kiri has a bio father. I think instead of Eywa putting Grace's spirit into her Avatar like Jake's her spirit went in via utero because Grace was too weak, so Eywa found another way.
Both parts were equally amazing. I love how they both compliment and add to eachother, there's a perfect logical continuity and I love it ❤🐲🔥
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I do have some issues with Avatar two, mostly about the second act. But, man, watching your videos and the way you talk about the movie make me like the it a little bit more. I'm the kind of person that falls in love with a movie with time, so i think that as a rewatch the movie and understand it's tone bette, i'll get to apreciate it more. Anyway, your avatar content is very cool and i learned a lot about this universe i love so much.
I agree, I loved the movie but I'm loving it even more as I learn all about the lore. I want them to expand the Avatar universe as much as possible because it really has limitless potential.
One thing I very much APPRECIATE about this movie is that they showed us different ETHNICITIES of Navi with different physical features even though they are still the same SPECIES. Too often in science fiction the aliens of a certain race all look the same. Not EXACTLY the same but the same "ethnicity". There are SOME exceptions like the African American actor as a Vulcan in Star Trek voyager and the "albino" Klingons in Star Trek Deep Space 9 but almost always in science fiction each alien race pretty much looks all the same as each other.
It is ABSURD to me how they keep making all the aliens of a race look the same. Imagine if someone from another world were to come to Earth and ALL of us were CAUCASION??
Look at how frigging different a "gentleman" from ENGLAND looks from a dark skinned African or an Australian aborigine or a Native American. But they are ALL THE SAME SPECIES. Having different ETHNICITIES was AWESOME and I want to see MORE. On Earth there are MANY different races of human. Maybe in the next movie there can be a tribe with skin so dark blue that it is almost black and a tribe so light blue it is almost white.
Maybe a tribe of "pygmy" Navi that are short (compared to the average of the species, still taller than most humans, maybe their average height could be 8 feet instead of 10 feet but maybe they would be buffed and built more like body builders).
I could be wrong but I think Kiri’s dad could be Jake’s avatar through Jake’s twin brother. In the start of Avatar 2, Jake says that they noticed ‘ONE OF‘Grace’s avatar’s was expectant. Which means Grace had more than one avatar. When Grace died, it would be pointless to return a pilotless avatar to the place they keep them thus presumably was buried by the Omaticaya clan. I think, Grace had a relationship with Jake’s twin brother via avatar bodies and thus Kiri was conceived. I don’t think Kiri is a reincarnation of Grace since she saw Grace on the other side and Grace never made it back to her body.
ok Bryce, you have now become my link to Eywa, so I'm gonna need you to hang around for a few centuries.... love your stuff. 5 stars !!!!!
Bruh I didn't realize Kiri was played by Sigourney Weaver until after I got home from the theater. The whole F*****g time I was watching the movie I thought to myself "wow this young actor really sounds like sigourney".....💀
Kiri is basically Pandora's Jesus. Eywa's the father. Augustine's the Virgin Mary.
Lol I came to that same conclusion but I wanted to make sure I wasn’t tripping.
More like Vishnu, avatar, not Jesus.
Ah, this video was so good!!!! Thank u for explaining everything so well!! I honestly love Kiri’s character!
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Dude I just wanted to say, I don't watch lot of movie lore videos, but good work man! That's one tight ass web you unravelled here!
Well worth the watch and definitely cleared up a few things with the comic stuff. 👌
Another crazy thing is, that even here on earth the trees talk to one another through the mycelium network (fungus) in the soil that mushrooms grow from, the request or share resources and nutrients with nearby trees that need it. James May hopefully is using this science as a base for the idea. Fungus is literally natures and the earths brain 🤯
i thought Kiri was just a reincarnation of Grace, but maybe she's just a completely new and unique individual.
I mean, she did address Grace as "mother", implying that they're separate beings, if you will. But, yeah, it's much more complex than that.
@@MagisterialVoyager Maybe bcs she doesn't have Grace's memories (does she?) and the fact that Kiri's still very young makes it easier for her to think she's her daughter rather than the reincarnation of Grace. Wouldn't that be difficult for her to grasp and make her feel more like an outsider? Idk, maybe I'm talking nonsense🙈 I just still believe Eywa put Grace's soul in to Kiri when she wasn't yet born and that she may or may not realize it when she grows up
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This was very good, and very enlightening. Thank you for your work and your thoughts.
I'm really excited for the character development and relationship of Neytiri and Spider. It's obvious that the conflict is setting up for the future moment Neytiri would finally embrace Spider as her son (I really hope thats going to be the case). We understand Neytiri's anger towards Spider but it obviously does not make it right or fair. She wants justice but she's gonna learn eventually that blaming Spider for the multitude of things he didn't do (or took the blame on) is not going to help. Also I just wanna say full on Mama Bear mode Neytiri is very scary but also very cool to see.
Glad to see you're loving Avatar too. Great videos and hope to see more. Kiri is very fascinating addition and amazing how Sigourney is playing her.
So basically, Kiri is the Na'vi equivalent of Jesus Christ? Daughter of Eywa herself?
Seems like it.
She's the child of a virgin Avatar, from eywa
That’s one way of putting it
@@combatmedic3318 One could also say she is some sort of Anakin Skywalker, now that I think of it.
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I can understand why Neytiri hates spider but you can tell spider is not like the sky people. Hopefully in the next movie we see her finally understand that spiders different & she starts to get along with him.
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Dude she was about to kill him.
@@Chillerll no shit Sherlock I saw the movie 😃
I love Avatar and need to see The way of water as soon as possible. I appreciate your videos for clarification.
What really had me thinking about Kiri and Grace was before what Grace said before she passed, “I could use some samples” And I feel like Kiri is some kind of sample since she can feel Eywa’s heartbeat and has Grace’s curiosity with Pandora which is incredible. That’s my perspective anyway
Kiri is probably an INFP (in the MBTI) so I can relate a lot to her. Nature loving, childlike, spiritually connected, walking to the beat of our own drum, feeling a bit odd but embracing it.
Fellow INFP-T here! Definitely can relate.
Meyers Briggs were crooks and it's psuedoscience
Iam an INTP and i was already thinking about this in the first 3 minutes of her presence in the film. She is the definition of alien INFP lol
@@BrockBiggs0312 Bro stfu with your goofy ass 16p T. Go learn actual theory
As a fellow INFP I really relate to her a lot
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Kiri is the soul child of Eywa and Grace
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Hey Bryce, I just discovered your channel today and I’m loving the content, especially the Avatar content, please keep it up! You earned yourself a subscription!!!
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She actually my favorite cause she’s so relatable and beautiful and just amazing personality
Actually this was really well put together. Definitely subscribing. I couldn't agree more. I don't really even disagree.. impressive. You really did your homework man. Amazing and thank you
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Kiri is space Jesus. Immaculate conception in Grace with Eywa's spirit. It's a classic biblical story Hollywood has told many times. But done in quite an interesting way.
It’s funny cuz when you mentioned the state Kiri kinda enters with aywa, the first thing that came to my mind was “she entered the avatar state” lol
The ceremony where they prayed over graces avatar in hopes she’d “pass thru the eye of Eywah”, except it appeared the prayer circle didn’t work. Only, graces avatar was too weak to come back, but she technically did pass thru via grace. Her birth isn’t a mystery at all, it was the result of sacred spell work. And she has the deeper connection to Eywah having been with her and coming back…essentially god being her other parent. By the end of the movie she comes to accept her divinity and has to use it to save the people….a bit Christ like in that theme 😮 it actually is very consistent and thoughtful, and I had worried it would be too far fetched when they were creating her story.
I love the "son for a son part of the movie".💙💙💙
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It killed me when you said "or had 2". Never teared up in movie before, but neteyams death got me. Saw the movie four times and it gets me every time, especially the scene at the end, after his funeral.
Definitely the more surprising character to come out of the sequel, really hope they continue her story in an interesting direction. She felt very much like a proxy for the audience's experience of seeing this world for the first time.
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Please please do more of these. I absolutely love vids like this from ya.
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I would never have pieced all of this together, thx!