Church Abuse: Protecting Ministries, Destroying Souls || Dr Diane Langberg, Author (Redeeming Power)
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- In this interview, Glen Scrivener talks to Dr Diane Langberg, psychologist and author of 'Redeeming Power' who has worked for the past 45 years with people suffering from trauma. They discuss the trauma associated with sexual and spiritual abuse within Christian ministry, especially the Ravi Zacharias and Jonathan Fletcher scandals.
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Dr Diane has done the work herself. She's done the introspection that Christians should be doing. She's daily allowed the Cross to be her standard of living and I can hear it in her words and how she uses them. She's not afraid of the opinion of man. She calls for accountability and is relentless in her interrogating the blatant sin of the church and of those who call themselves Christians. This is someone who understands the gravity of being a disciple of Christ. May the Lord continue to bless her, continue to give her wisdom and strengthen her to continue fighting the good fight. In Jesus' Name🙌🏽
Amen!!!!!!
She is a badass.
@@amelian9677 A BAD ASS??? a Better term please
I cannot begin to tell you how much of this I’ve experienced. I’ve turned on a light and people have desperately tried to trample me and silence me. But I will keep telling my story no matter what.
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I have moved away from a number of organisations because trust is/was no longer there.And believe it or not I am older male.My advice is to just move on.The heart hurts sometimes but it is true,kindness, refuge,self care and understanding.
I'm a former Jehovah's Witness excommunicated for searching, seeking, eventually converting to Evangelical Christianity. 12 years later I'm a seminarian graduate, Children's Minister and author but suffer still from the effects of spiritual abuse --12 years direct cutting off, zero contact from beloved family and community. God give us all strength....
I am so glad you got out of cult of Jehovah’s Witnesses. I have a sibling ( & their family ) who was raised in a Christian home but converted to a JW in 20’s. I pray daily for them to see truth. I am sorry for your years of spiritual abuse & pray for your healing.
Yes unfortunately the effects of abuse can last a life time especially if not dealt with properly.. I wish you all the best for your future! By the way, the videos on the playlist on my channel might interest some people..
I am the same in that I have placed faith and trust in some other organisations to you nevertheless.There is pain in everyone's life.May it not be perpetuated!.
I felt so validated by this interview. Both of you express such concern for upholding God, His truth, and the church.
For decades my pastor husband used his knowledge and position to bully and abuse myself and our children, and in various ways, the congregation. You are right,, Diane,, he was "such a good teacher". He knew the biblical languages,, etc.. The cognitive dissonance was massive! He had so isolated us that I was very fearful that if I spoke up about his verbal, psychological and spiritual abuse in our home, that I would lose all my friends and my children. Eventually, the Lord got us out. He is deceased. God is good. I am free. Everyone who had any meaningful association with him eventually was wounded by him. So grievous!
I'm so glad you were able to get out. Have you ever told your story? Your experiences have a lot they could teach people.
The term for such a person, as you almost certainly know, is "malignant narcissist."
@The Wandering M , your first paragraph makes no sense. Abusers know not to act in public the way they do privately. And far from labeling's being cartoonish and goofy, a refusal to label is close to a definition of insanity, moral insanity, in this instance.
You're right, of course. We're all born on the narcissism spectrum. Comparatively few people live out their lives as narcissists, however, because socialization and experience foster the development of a sense of others, and of conscience. This is regardless of whether the individual becomes a Christian. For the Christian, of course, the conscience should become more gradually more acute as he lives out his life.
Diane Langberg has spent her career in doing therapy with sexual abuse victims, many of whom have been abused by church officers or just outspoken, self proclaimed Christians. Would you expect her not to label a sex abuser a sex abuser? And inasmuch as your username is unsettling ( M, great 1930 German expressionistic film about a child sex killer ), I wonder if you are not as upset as you are because you have abused others?
That is great that you are free from that toxic relationship! I feel for all the women out there who are in toxic relationships but can't get out.. it's very sad the abuse many women and children go through all over the world.. I hope more women are able to get out of toxic relationships! On another note, the videos on the playlist on my channel might interest some people...
Sending ❤
It makes you feel the world so "dark" when you have been abused spiritually. When you know that under the cloak is a different actor and that actor is hidden from others.
I wish you love and people around you who will give you back what you lost: trust, believing that nobody was born to be abused by others, nobody was born to be here to have the right to use and abuse,
and I wish you a community (even if it us as small as 1 or 2 people) that respects, value and love you. As you are. Because you are enough. More than just enough.
But not for everybody and it is absolutely ok.
A church is a spiritual family. You have to test to see if it's an abusive/toxic environment or not. They can often be like narcissistic family systems. This is why a growing amount of people are ok with not having a church home. It's better to be alone than to be with people that repeatedly damage you. It's also a detriment to evangelism. Who wants to join a toxic spiritual family? Know your boundaries. Know your bible. Conviction from the Holy Spirit, gentle biblical correction and human condemnation are different things.
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Wow! When she said this concerning the church:: “We all sin but we don’t all build an Auschwitz.” What a great discussion. Really really freeing! Thank you for posting! 💕
Yes interesting some of the things Dr. Diane Langberg had to say.. I really feel for all the women out there who abused all over the world.. things have to change! On another note, the videos on the playlist on my channel might interest some people..
What a delightful, articulate lady! I could listen to her for another hour or two. ☺️ This topic is definitely needed for the Church today. Thank you both for this video.
More than any other topic this need to be on front of our talks and sermons
She has helped so many people. She's calmed my anxious heart for many years.
Diane Langberg!! My hero!
My voice!! Finally i am confirmed!🥰 i am also free because of it 🥰😇
I’m so glad that people are finally being more transparent about this sort of thing. I’ve been a victim of this many times in different churches and been humiliated and treated like I’m the trouble maker but the last time it happened I knew more about it to put the truth of the matter out even if I was seriously uncomfortable. I found out during my recovery process with my Jesus why I wasn’t getting better in church and when it began to unravel God gave this quiet the most least likely little girl an incredible assignment. He took what upset me so much to be apart of the change I longed to see so people like me could get the help we need and our churches would become a safe refuge for our hurting souls. I’ve upset a lot of people because of what I was finding out but God used me anyway like he is using the both of you to turn on the lights so the rats can run and people can truly experience healing, hope and restoration!! I’m still healing from this hurt but this CZcams video has really helped and blessed me immensely. Thank you so very much.
Thank you for sharing Eva. The Lord bless you and keep you. 🙏
Thank you sir for your kind words toward me. Means a lot to me. God bless you to!! And thanks again for the talks you have to help so many. Dr Diane really helped me to be able to move forward with my relationship with God again. Big hugs to you both!!!
" Grooming is like grooming a dog. It's doing little things, bit by bit to make a thing look better".
Dear lady, you deserve my like. 👍
n intelligent, wise, empathic and courageous lady indeed.Thank yo dear Mrs Langberg for shining and warming and being an inspiration and example.
What a fantastic interview. This lady really shed amazing light on the darkness. I can see the beauty of God in her life. This has been the most enriching video I've watched for a very long time. Thankyou so much.
This type of abuse of authority can turn people away from church for life. Its like an abusive parent that demands love but tries to gain it through fear, guilt, shame, etc. Its very similar to narcissistic abuse. When I became a Father I realized I could never push these beliefs on my children. I could never threaten or condemn something I created.
So true...there is a lack of accountability for leaders.
Amazing. I so appreciate her honest and straight talk about such difficult subjects. I truly love her.
Yes it was interesting some of the things Dr. Diane Langberg had to say.. it's very unfortunate that so many women and children are abused all over the world.. things need to change! On another note, the videos on the playlist on my channel might interest some people!
The topic is heavy and difficult but it was a delight to listen to the guest. Also the host asks meaningful questions, so appreciate her sharing her expertise
Agreed. The interviewer contributed greatly to a brave discussion.
Love love love Dr Diane Langberg’s passion for Jesus and the Body of Christ.
“The purpose of the Light is to bring things into truth.”
What a great interview! I’ve gleaned and learned so much from Diane. She is a woman clothed with dignity, wisdom and truth. I share her love for words and their true meanings.
I’ve been reading and enjoying her books. Her book “On the Threshhold of Hope” has been a balm of healing and understanding in my own journey and recovery from sexual abuse.
That same book terrifies me...it is certainly not a balm of healing... but a splash of iodine on a wound.
Or some light in a dark amd sinful place.
God bless Diane Langberg!
TIME , TALK , and TEARS .!.
Doctor Langberg's prescription (from an earlier yt lecture) for a very possible recovery .. A true disciple of Our Lord .!.
MGB and keep us all
The lies get so big and sad. I’m glad I found this…they can’t be responsible for everything though it’s a business too. They can be more direct though to people. I think this could have happened to some of my friends in the church. Some are bullies or have their own issues…right maturity hard for a lot of people it takes time
Beyond superb, hugely helpful both in content and delivery. This doctor has pioneered a most vital field, and as she says one that is repeatedly warned about in Scriptures. Will watch again and send to ppl it might help, it certainly helped me big time. The myth, culture and grooming engineered by gifted speakers can fool ppl or make us say "its obviously just me" - but the wider, unwritten but known culture developed reveals its not
Absolutely!👏👏👏👍👍
Really good discussion! The truthful logic and wisdom of what she had to say was indisputable.
Thanks for this great discussion! We need more Christ Centred, Cross centered Christian leaders / professionals like Dr L
Excellent! Thank you Dr Diane!! And interviewer.
Thank you Dr Langberg! I am so grateful for your faithfulness to the people of God, and those of us that have had trauma. We need Dr's like you to tell the truth. May the Lord bless you
Brilliant women. She is the voice of God in all of these mess called churchianity. God bless you dr.Langberg. I wish you to come in Croatia. Love and Blessings from Croatia.
A great talk by this wise lady. Matt 18.15-17 is a key, practical strategy for dealing with someone who's sinned against, hurt or offended us etc (even someone in authority). How many times have we actually put this part of the Word of God into practice in church? I would suspect that this is done very rarely and NEVER taught from the pulpit. If we don't organise ourselves in the way laid out in the Bible, we shouldn't be surprised when scandals happen.
So many need to here this. But so few want to or refuse to here 😥 GOD BLESS U
Excellent interview. Thanks very much.
Dr Thank you so much ❤
My pastor always says I'm a new creation and the past is behind me. I'm sick of hearing that.
Yes, and he ahs probably not done his own healing-work and has no idea...
this Lady is incredibly honest . her answers are common sense based ,when I started to listen to the video .I didn't realize it was about Ravi ,I have commented on other videos about this problem. it seems to me that Ravi did what he did because he was assisted by the people around him .Those People are Christians, and yet they said nothing .the more I hear about the whole case of Ravi , it's obvious that his lies were covered up by the people around him,I feel that they are probably more guilty than him .
another thing ! ,the church seems to be a place for predators to operate in complete impunity . Christians today seem to be impressed by diplomas and certificates ,ithink Christianity is in Danger of becoming an intellectual mind game ,a sort of hobby !. All of the apostles had jobs and paid their own way ,they didn't have the prestigious titles that we seem to be so impressed with. when women or men are abused in any church they should go to the police and the abusers should be punished . people are never just one thing and if they are making money from God's word ,we should look very closely,having a job puts people in contact with normal everyday people .the church is us ,all of us.what ever denomination ,the church is Christ Jesus, AMEN.
what is shameful is this has been going on for centuries and we still think it's something new. just yesterday someone said to me the reason they didn't go to church was because it's full of perverts.
it's so sad ,to think that is what people think of the church.
when I asked the same person ( is Jesus Christ your Lord and Saviour) the Man said absolutely and he prays every day. I believe there are Billions more Christians than we realize.
Amen and I really appreciate your comments so very very much.
Excellent discussion.
Her supervisor telling her that women tell hysterical stories and to ignore it is frustrating and angering
Thank you so so much, both of you
I agree a very rich in depth interview. Thank you
Great ending - very passionate.
So good.
I’ve been abused by religious trauma and narcissistic abuse cult like family raised in my whole life since childhood and I don’t go too church because of it
The fundamental problem is simply that a "systems" or "institutions" seek to preserve themselves. Jesus said to make disciples which is a much different dynamic than conventional church life which almost always involves an institution.
Well done. I've been through and watched several iterations of what Dr. Langberg says.
I am concentrating on being a servant and following the narrow way.....in churches that worship charisma, charm, numbers, in groups, gossip, inside knowledge and circles, power, riches, spending money on dinners, clothes, special separators, bullies ie leaders, deceit, religiousness, self righteous, face value , submissive sheep, etc....
Fear is real. 🍀 You are 💕real. Thank you.
Thank so much ❤❤
Trauma in remittance can occur. Healing is real. A new beginning .
Beautiful
The stature n the way in which, we hold our head tells us who we are . Modesty makes a difference. I'd like to study , but , equally, I'd appreciate my independence , which, in return , would need a successful reversal. TY. 🙏
I love dr.Langberg
Dr Diane is a godsend!!!!
Church Code of Silence: I saw well-meaning church code of silence cause great distress. In one church it split over a feud that spilled out onto everyone. We were told to ignore it and don’t talk about it. The feud went underground and tore the church apart slowly. At my next church I was a youth worker & teacher. Church camp was great fun until one day I saw two teen boys hump on each other in simulated homosexual sex or rape. They did it from behind; with clothes on. But adult workers ignored & minimized it. The acts became worse as they did fake sex acts in their beds and naked in the showers, with sound effects. The wild boys said it was all a joke, but most boys were horrified and young boys were afraid of being raped. I protested to the youth director harder and harder. I wondered if his resistance was because he had done that as a teenager. I’d never seen such a thing, but I learned it had become common in the youth culture. It was certainly a sexual harassment hostile environment. One wild boy did expose himself to a girl and was sent home; but the director and other adults failed to see the connection. I feared that this could spill-over to boys molesting the girls or consensual sex resulting in pregnancy or STD’s. On paper no PDA (public displays of affection) is allowed at camp or any church function. But the homosexual fake sex was ignored, even where there was lack of consent. I knew it was only a matter of time before church parents heard about this and it all blew up; maybe into a legal case that could have destroyed the church. It seems none of the dozen adult workers wanted to blow the whistle. I realized that I could have been expelled from the church in the sweeping denial and avoidance. I decided I’d blow the lid off, even go to the press, if I was kicked out of the youth department or church. I gave sexual harassment legal literature to church leaders, and with one other adult, we finally made enough noise to discipline the wild boys; and hit the problem with a big hammer. A couple years later a very young sponsor (about 24) humped a teenager in view of 30 teens and adults. The teenager complained a few days later, and got the adult kicked out of the church. Once again the adults should have reacted immediately but didn’t. That was a crime and charges should have been brought.
I had experience with sexual harassment after a molestation incident at my work. They had been lax and came close to being sued. I offered to share my legal training with the church but was ignored.
Facebook adds to the "halo affect" .... good stuff here🥰😇
My pastor is loved by his teaching but when I reject something, pastor uses 😮scripture and says I didn't say it, it's scriptural. I'm going through trauma and my pastor is clipped with his answers.
... there as like people around as like blocking the path (in church...) ... there as in second ... male assistant came from behind dashed touched this person ... as then passing by ... this male assistant ... look at her ... no apology... and just carry on his way ... this
scheme ... have happen again ... block path ... a man came close touched behind her ... this time she got so so upset ... shout at this man ... and as in same second lady assistant as ready as be there ... to stop her shouting ... and took her to other side ... as trying to calm this person down ... (this lady assistant as also as connected with this negative scheme ... ) ... .
Some people who said there is no such thing as mental health sickness or traumas, etc. The reason is that some of them are one of the predators, not the victims. They are selfish, moronic individuals who try to hide and protect their own guilty conscience and to sooth it to make it feel better and said, "They have the choice.'' Do they mean to say it is the raped victim's choice to choose to forgive them. If they don't, they will live a miserable life? The words in Corinthians say not to associate with such people unless they have repented. But no repentance was done by the predator, and the victim was asked not to complain so as not to jeopardise the life of the predator! The rapist is not the one who suffered but is trying to defend himself by saying there is no such thing as mental illness resulting from the traumas. Another one even suggested to thank God for the opportunity for committing the criminal act afterwards. Unbelievable. Thanks God for the chance to sin ? Which part of the bible teaches that?
What is spiritual abuse? To use the authority of God as a pastor or ministry leader over people with open hearts, there to receive from God, to hurt and destroy those humble people, who have been taught to greatly respect the leaders as sent by God. They would normally teach the word of God, so we would think them godly. Abusive words come unexpected and strike directly into the heart, the person confused and tied up with inability to react properly, given it is such a special person they were used to listen to. Worst problem: we would believe them, since we normally do, and despise ourselves, since we can't dispise them.
... as many many times ... what were happened ... that as arriving in church ... or on way going out (leaving ...) ... there suddenly people gathering this person ... as like blocking the path ... (...?) ... .
So if anyone said, that there was abuse in your church, what wood you do?
I was a member of the worldwide church of God but got to deal with Gerald flurrybwho started his own church and the next ministers that came in who left to start theirs but I can tell you that the abuse that comes from the world after they find out you have PTSD a major depression us worse you are never believed about the abuse you went through or saw
Most misunderstood Jesus' practical ministry. He was very a practical teacher. His leadership was a great legacy for His disciples. But sad for many of us christians we preach more than live more.
The wider church groups.... being other church leaders...even low level.. in another denomination in another city.... will phone your minister and report anything you have said....it is amazing how toxic it is...hard to talk to anyone about what is going on in the church..happens to church leaders also....it goes up the chain to control them as well...
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Good point about bullying oh I see feeding off a human is it used for inspiration? Look at our art that doesn’t sound right. Like if all your friends are getting married at the same time I think everyone influences each other
Amen brother and sister! Matt. 23....
Diane..."to wield theological Premise, scripture to minimize, cover up, Deny, shut down, deceive, is really denying God's Truth"
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*Whole Counsel** denies Our Lord Jesus Instruction FOR KINGDOM work....so wounding to see such Corruption.
... there as many years in church ... as can see these people ... doing negative scheme around someone ... there this person ... as wandering ... about these people ... as proud... lack of something ... of grow to maturity in spirit (in true in words ... ) ... lack of to find way to true life ... that is to enter ... God rest ... .
Definition of trauma 43:20 -47:00
29:07 Key moment
How do I contact you mam . I’m a victim and feel I’ll never heal
Plz decide to and ask God (?), and doors will open more and more. We have to will it conscously, decidedly. I didn't know for decades, no one told me so I could understand..and I have Aspergers as well. TAke care of you.
... there as in church for long while ... as can see these people as connected with this that negative scheme... as like they are fast ... in carry out ... their negative scheme duty ... .
Wowwwwwwww..
... this person ... told some friends ... assistants ... in church ... many many times ... as can see ... as knowing ... as in dreams ... that there are negative scheme around someone ... particularly as set up men around this person ... in church ... .
... where the fullness satisfaction relationship come from ... (...?) ... God is the true ... God is righteous ... God is strength ... God is wisdom ... ... not from this foundation of negative scheme of men ... .
I think or know really that all the wives knew of the ministers that our family has known.....and the percentage of minister abusers is very high...I always ran or protected myself from them and also did some investigation and was friendly for this purpose....but I also knew there was no point in trying to expose them....I would have been denigrated and blamed....women or girls always are.....part of church culture but also belief....goes very deep in the belief system of the church....poor knowledge of scripture..
... these negative scheme... around someone ... are alive in church ... .
Ooh there are mega churches in Australia…
Why it took so long to reveal? It's because in0 the 'culture' that it should be covered up to protect the ministries' reputation and the belief system. Not that no one knew about it but they chose to cover up lest the benefits they had been enjoying gone with the wind, that is only one of the reasons for the many covering ups. More to come.....
... there when this person ... sitting down ... there as in second ... a man came to sit next to her side ... (...?) ... although plenty seats available ... .
Shalom and many blessings to you all. As Shakespeare said there is no good or bad it's the thought that makes it so. And my observation of the world there still is no good or bad or no good or evil there is only good and there is only God. Do we not live in God's all in all. And is God not in me as well as in you as well as in us and also as in all. So we are in God and God is in US. There's over a million ways to celebrate your faith in God. None of them are wrong. The only wrong is not understanding that Adam and Eve took on life and death to purge Humanity itself from the corrupted mind-state. Jesus Christ spoke about this very thing when he told his Apostles to get behind me Satan speaking as it was a mindset. He also tried to explain how the world is using the lens of God to browbeat the people into submission and it happens to this very day. So take your truth as you know it, take your iamness and shroud yourself in God the creator of all things. For we are born in the flesh as Adam shrouded in the blood of Christ given our Holy Spirit and thus we follow God in order to create his Majestic Heaven here on Earth. As I walked this path of Peace in love I hope it is yours as well. Made my peace and love find you through the power of Christ and God's grace. Amen.💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
You cannot trust anyone. Period. Ravi? I loved his apologetics. What happened? He failed.
Now the Question I have is... --Is really the Pastor Imposing Himself Over the Sheep ...or...is He Just Reflecting as a Mirror the average Sheep Consciousness ???
He said “half a century” 😂
I wonder if the halo effect is being projected also to counsellors nowadays… more so that even pastors at times..
Spiritual abuse: actually it is a wolf not in sheeps clothes, rather a wolf in shepherd's clothes.
A beautiful flower turning into a poisonous snake before your very eyes, and sinking that venom teeth into your flesh.
What happened to your forehead? My heart goes out to you.❤️💭🙏 My language is what Jesus means to Diane
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The problem is that these Pastors (church leaders, etc) obviously don’t have a relationship with Jesus Christ and should never have been given that position in the first place.
The most basic issue is that Christianity has become a formulaic religious system, which has so little connection with the truth of the scriptures that it’s what Jesus scorned in the Pharisees of His days.
We are more concerned with appearance and being comfortable than following the commands of Jesus Christ and the demands of the word of God, that are not preached or understood by the majority of professing Christians, who have no real relationship with the LORD they claim to love.
The reality of the spiritual war that rages all around us is not even on the radar of the average Christian in the Western world.
The hierarchy of the average church is almost entirely contradictory to the words of Jesus Christ about how the shepherds are NOT to wield power over the sheep, but to be their SERVANTS. His example of washing the feet of the disciples was for that purpose.
The idea that the Pastor knows more about God than the sheep is a laughable nonsense, as I have spoken with seminary graduates who don’t even know the books of the Bible.
what if you feel like you are so misunderstood by councelers who I think really want to help but keep bringing up the "old and the new" (in Christ), and the Bible verses that I'd have to read.... eventhough I do not think that could heal me 😢 I have done so much of that already.... really
I really want to be respectful and obey others and submit myself to them and their words but I feel so lost and misunderstood, even by loving christians.. and I really know that they mean well.. and I truly am grateful.. but I am just struggling so much and I do not know where I can go with my troubles anymore...😢
Why do you think you must submit to others? If they are not helpful, you do not have to continue their suggestions. Your thoughts and perceptions are just as valid as anyone else’s. I pray you will find true support 🙏 5:15
"Community churches' " Total shut down- NEGLECT is not Acts chapter 2 and ALL that Jesus Instructs for ' functioning In God's Spirit of Compassion
The victim is attacked and becomes the perpetrator and the perpetrator becomes the victim. They protect the wolf, it's sad but true. The church that I'm in is a definite hiding place for wolves. What disturbs my spirit is the Pastor not being able to let go of the red blood gang colors that he use to be a part of. He doesn't like the color blue because it's the color of the gang crips. He was a blood in the past in a gang. I have become the punching bag. I refuse to worship this man, he's a man not God. A lot of people that go to this church came out of street, and all of them embrace the street mentality. Now a lot of them are gangsters in the house of God. Iwas raped and he protected the man instead of me. He does a lot of bullying. I was in a class at 8 on Sunday morning. I pulled the door to open it and it made a noise because it was locked and I didn't know it. He came out yelling at me, I did nothing but tried to open the door.
Why was Ravi grooming a woman?
Shouldnt it be a woman mentoring a woman, and a man a man?
Guess he preferred massages from young women.
@@HearGodsWord Not the massages. I refer to Lorraine's being groomed by him.
His wife also should have rebuked him. 200 days overseas in a year. Too submissive a wife.
@@remalim9471 I wouldn't know enough about his wife to comment about her or make assumptions.
@@HearGodsWord No need to know her or make assumptions. Wives need to protest sometimes and go for marriage counselling. I would have left such a jerk.
Also disgusting how the children are still defending him. He was a master sexual predator.
@@remalim9471 Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord...Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything. 5:22, 24.
I'm not going to sit here and judge her.
I hide all the past trauma as church goers will never talk to you again if you say a word that is socially unacceptable ....inconvenient to the good times there....and discredits anything of truth you would have to say about the current power structures......there is no such thing as love in most churches...it is so hard to stay and try to be loving....they gang up against you when they see you are not like them....
Jesus exposed the hypocrisy and lies of the chosen, holy ones as did martin Luther and others......evil uses God to do evil..."trust no man for the heart is deceitfully wicked".....
Jesus Christ is very good and truth.Dont follow Pastor's follow Jesus.
The whole idea that someone can be tortured to death for what you have done wrong and take responsibility for you, is a very bad idea. Someone shouldn't offer this, nor should someone ask for it. But further, to classify yourself as a "sinner" and "bad" sets the stage for abuse. If I'm a race car driver, and I crash my car, does mean I'm a "car crasher"? No. It means I need to work at driving.
She knows christ is a fictional character, right?