Why Are Danish Numbers So WEIRD?
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 21. 03. 2024
- If you ever came across Danish numbers, you might have wondered what's up with some of them and why they sound so weird compared to other languages in the Northern Germanic family. There is actually a logic to them all. #danish #learndanish #scandinavia #northerneurope #languagelearning
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Would be fun to also add the Dutch numbers here. Sound highly similar too!
Cumbrian dialect, which is related to Danish and Norwegian has a system where shepherds count their sheep by counting in 4 sets of 5 , and then putting a stone in their pockets. . Yan tyan tethera methera dik yabadik, tyanadik , tethera,dik methera dik, bumpit sorry ,I forgot the rest.
very interesting!
Also, even though halvtredje, halvfjerde, halvfemte and so on is not in use any more, halvanden (half away from the second, ie. 1œ) is very much in use still. "Jeg er der om halvanden time"/"I am there (will arrive) in one and a half hour" is a very common phrase.
nesten samme pÄ tysk - eineinhalb Stunden
Och om man kan lite Àldre uttryck i svenska sÄ sa man t.ex. jag kommer om halvannan timma Àven i Sverige.
â@@irinaskuldJa, Eineinhalb and Anderthalb mean both halvanden.
In Old High German we said anderhalb. In this case, "ander" means "second" in an outdated way, so that anderhalb actually means "the second half" (das zweite halb) (in the sense of "the second in half, das zweite zur HĂ€lfte").
In this old counting system, after anderhalb, it continued with dritthalb (two-and-a-half, zweieinhalb ie "the first and the second in full, the third in half", âdas erste und das zweite zur GĂ€nze, das dritte zur HĂ€lfteâ) and vierthalb (three-and-a-half, dreieinhalb).
I'm German and I love all germanic languages â€
5:15 Swiss French differs from French French: septante (70), huitante (80), nonante (90).
that I did not know. merci!
These numbers originally come from Old French. 70 setante, 80 huitante, 90 nonante.
Just the p was restored under influence of the Latin word septuÄgintÄ.
@@LuciaSims745 It's interesting to compare them with what Walloon has.
Most Danes do not know this system, they jusr remember the words.
same with any other native or near-native language
As a Dane, I would like it changed to the English/Swedish/Norwegian system. The Danish way of counting is an unnecessary obstacle. It is counterintuitive and difficult to learn for foreigners and as well as for Danes with dyslexia.
ville det vĂŠre kedeligt bagefter? jeg kan godt lide dem :))))
â@@irinaskuld Jag lĂ€ra mig svenska och jag kommer frĂ„n tyskland. Jag förstĂ„else vad ni sade. Tja, bara den andra meningen.
"Jeg kan godt lide dem". PÄ tyska skulle vi sÀga "Ich kann sie gut leiden".
Men det betyder att du finner personen sympatisk.
DÀrför tenderar vi att anvÀnda frasen "Ich mag sie". :)
That thing with half and a clock is present in Polish.
probablz in more languages than I am aware of :))) thx!
@@irinaskuld In Finnish too.
â @@irinaskuld In Dutch too
This is even more complicated in some Germanic languages that refer to the half hour when saying minutes from 16 to 44 past the hour. For example the words for 2:25 will translate to English as "five before half three" and the words for 2:35 will translate to English as "five over half three".
Ordinary, coloquial Danish too
In Swedish it can be either en or ett depending on grammatical gender
i know, i was just referring to numerals, not articles (ett hus - en penna)
@@irinaskuld But number one can also be en or ett. Some prefer en, others ett, when counting (abstractly).
Bra uttal av svenska. Jag blev nyfiken hur vÀl danskar förstÄr oss svenskar med decimalsystemet eftersom det till och ned fanns ett förslag pÄ att ersÀtta/komplettera med decimalsystemet.
Vi kan byta morot till gulrot och rolig till skoj som vÀl funkar pÄ bÄde norska och danska Àven det vÀl Àr göj.
Som dansker har jeg intet problem med at forstÄ svenske tal. De er jo logiske nok. Men jeg oplever at mange svenskere hellere vi slÄ over i engelsk, end at prÞve at udtale danske tal mellem 50-99.
Og vore tal er som regel ogsÄ den letteste mÄde at afslÞre en fremmed/udlÊnding, der ikke er vokset op i Danmark.
Jag tycker om bĂ„da tvĂ„ / jeg kan godt lide begge to đ))
Det Àr faktiskt mycket lÀttare för mig att tala svenska eftersom det Àr skandinaviska sprÄket jag lÀrde mig mest, förutom detta undervisade jag svenka som frÀmmande sprÄk.
Man mÄste anstrÀnga sig litegrann för att kunna fatta danska, det gÀller inte bara uttalet men ibland ordförrÄdet ocksÄ.
Jag vet inte om det stÀmmer, men för nÄgra Är sedan lÀrde man sig ett skandinaviskt sprÄk till pÄ skolan sÄ att man kunde anvÀnda det pÄ aktivt sÀtt, men nu pratar alla engelska som det nyttigaste medlet för att undvika missföstÄnd.
Jag lÀr mig svenska men jag Àlskar alla skandinaviska sprÄk, speciellt pÄ grund av nordisk mytologi och vikingarna. Samt liknande ord pÄ tyska och engelska.
Sich anstrengen = AnstrĂ€nga sig đđđ
Husten = hosta
Vergiften = Förgifta
Anwenden = anvÀnda
Plötzlich = plötsligt
UngefÀhr = ungefÀr
MohrrĂŒbe = morot
Bilder = bilder
verschwinden = försvinna
behandeln = behandla
och mÄnga fler
Men det finns ocksÄ liknande ord pÄ norska och danska.
Jeg er dansker gift med en svensker. Svenske tal er lette at forstĂ„, men jeg har svĂŠrt ved at udtale sjuttio og tjugo. Min hustru har til gengĂŠld stadig svĂŠrt ved at skelne mellem halvfjers, halvtres og tres nĂ„r det gĂ„r stĂŠrkt đ Ja, vi burde skifte til et lettere system!đ Min datter gik 1. og 2. klasse i USA. Det tog hende to Ă„r at vĂŠnne sig til de danske tal da vi flyttede hjem til DK. đ Hun byttede ofte om pĂ„ tallene, f. 11:57 eks. 45 og 54, fordi vi starter bagfra pĂ„ dansk. Hav en god dag!
This reminds me of the remnants of the Babylonian system of 12s which we still use to separate/demarcate time. (takk đ)
oh yes totally! one of the few instances in IE based on 6/12. đ
Similarly, I find it interesting how so many of our numerical systems start out as dozenal counting systems but then abruptly change gears to decimal after the first set of twelve numbers are counted; yet, we don't bat an eye as to why we've retained/maintained this vestigial trace of foundational dozenal enumeration while not keeping it in place for the entire numerical system, thereafter
Like, why (in English) do we say "eleven" and "twelve" instead of "one-teen" and "two-teen"? Why, in German/Deutsche, do they say "elf" and "zwölf" instead of "ein und zehn/einzehn" and "zwei und zehn/zweizehn"? And so on?
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Anyone with knowledge of Faeroese? The numbers from 20 to 90 actually have double variants, the Danish-inspired one and the classical decimal one so I was curious which one is currently in use. I have a hunch the vigesimal is rather formal.
Native Faroese here. The Danish system is WAY more common. The elder system was only mandatory on cheques which have not been legal tender since 2017. Some people still use the old system but as I say it's rare. Btw., thanks for including Faroese but "boo" for not trying to pronounce it! :P
Oh, one more thing: The Danish system might be VERY young in Faroese. There is some evidence that the decimal system was used as late as the late 18th century. BUT then school became mandatory and for some reason, Danish became the language of learning even though we were in the time of romanticism and later nationalism and all that. It may have to do with post-colonialism on the Faroese part which made us feel like our language was low prestige etc., but that's pure speculation on my part. In any case, this led to the decimal system virtually doing out in Faroese but as mentioned it is not quite dead yet. - I am glad that you mentioned how to tell the time as a good way of learning the "new" number system, as afaik in Germanic languages English is the odd one out in not using it. It is also used in some Slavic languages like Czech and Slovak (the latter of which I also happen to speak). Again, great video.
We tell time the same way in Norwegian as well: halv to, halv tre, halv fire and so on. I don't know whether that is a borrowing from Danish or somewhere else. Of course, in British English they also say half two, half three etc, but then they mean half *past* two, half *past* three ...
It's common in all of Germanic, I just gave two eksempler đ
Not only Germanic, we say half-two ("pus-divi" in Latvian) meaning 1:30 in Baltic and some Slavic languages too, though it's not usually written as literary correct language. In Russian though you can say or write any number of minutes _before_ the hour with the correct conjugation of said hour, used more often than minutes _past_ the hour.
Lady,you nailed all these accents.Also,what language sounds worse-Swedish or Danish ?
Not really the person to ask since I love both languages :))) But since I am much more fluent in Swedish I'd say Danish poses some serious problems to an untrained ear.
three scoe and ten. Five and twenty. Quatrre-vingt-dix