Interesting video, but there are some faults in your explanations. Piracy and emulation are not an interchangeable terms, you can play on emulators legally. Playing ROMs via their intended hardware (like on the wii or ds) is also not emulation.
@@ShitFlingingMonkey i disagree if people buy a copy of the game they should be able to play it on whatever platform they want After all they own that copy
To add to that if a person buys a copy of a game then I'd see no issue with them downloading a rom copy in order to emulate it if they don't have the tools to dump it At that point They've already given the developer money to play the game so they should be able to play it how they want to
Loading ROMs and ISOs onto the supported hardware isn't emulation. Piracy is also not emulation, as emulation can be done legally. Rewind is also not a Nintendo exclusive thing nor did they invent it. it has exited in emulators long before Nintendo added them to their own, I believe Rare Replay popularized. Terminology should be properly used when making a video about this.
Piracy is emulation, albeit illegally. Emulation in of itself is legal but when used in conjunction with illegally acquired ROMs can become illegal. Just because its illegal doesn't mean it isn't emulation.
Oh god the Nintendo ninjas are already outside my house when I was playing this video through my speaker it's over for me guys, use emulation terminology properly wtf
tl;dr : legal or not, I believe it is moral to pirate games no longer available through official means, it can make you discover and play games you never knew you would like, and in turn, maybe help the companies that made them with their most recent games, so that they might make similar games down the line. Also, it doesn't need to be illegal if you can dump your own games onto your computer for better performances. I'm gonna be honest, I feel like emulation is more about morality than legality : Is the game still distributed by other means than resale ? If not, then it doesn't matter if you pirate it from anywhere, because the original creators won't get a single penny from it anyway. If yes, do you support the company ? Do you want more games like this from them ? If both answer are no, then pirate it (I would be against it personnaly, I feel like piracy for games should only be done if no other official way is available, but everyone has his own boundaries) (Also don't come and say that the devs are getting paid from sales : most time they're not, they got their paycheck, now it's the company getting the money). But if you can support a company that produces or produced games you liked, go for it. I'll take an exemple : Thanks to emulation, I have played, in my eyes, one of the greatest and most overlooked DS game "Solatorobo: Red the Hunter" which if I had a DS to play it on would have cost me at least a 100$ to buy off resale, but with emulation, I could just do it right away on my PC. And I loved the game so much, I went and tried to know as much as I could about it (Did you know that the track list in the jukebox of the game has the same amount of tracks than the CDs of the OST that was sold 2 years later, but with one track changed ? It's because the game contains two version of the track "Re-CODA", one of them being replaced by the opening theme "And then, to CODA", absent from the game jukebox originaly.) I found out that the game is part of a universe of games that seems to be passion project (they always sell poorly it seems, and there's a lot of love put into them, because they keep making them anyway) to the company who makes them : Cyber Connect 2, Naruto: Ultimate ninja, Jojo's bizarre adventure figthing games, Asura's Wrath, and .hack//, that sells overall pretty well which they use to finance those smaller and more heartfelt titles. That's why I bought their two latest entries in this universe "Fuga: Melodies of Steel" 1 and 2, which are now part of my favorite games of all time and all that because I emulated an obscure DS game FURTHERMORE, emulation can make you discover games you never knew about that you could like, and thanks to great communities, some of those regionaly locked games have fan translations that make them available to more people, I could never have played Mother 3 for exemple if it wasn't translated from Japanese, same for Klonoa Heroes: The legendary star medal, two excellent GBA gems that I would recommand to anyone ready to look into it. Also for more titles that you own, emultaion can enhance the experience, and you can do it legally with your copies of the game and the console. It requires a little more technical knowledge and implication than just downloading a file from the internet and loading it into a software, and sometimes requires a hacked console (My switch can testify) but you can now play your games on your computer, and can also serve as a backup if your console eventually dies. Also, it can morally allow you to play your more recent game through emulation, like I did with my switch library (And it's legal, because you bought your games)
That talk about the r4 really resonated with me. I grew up playing many DS games and every now and then a new title would show up in the console, and I'd play it as much as I could. Cooking Mama, NSMB, Professor Layton and Mario 64 DS were huge pillars of my childhood and I really loved playing these games alone or with my family. Thank you for letting me ramble about these memories aha. Wonderfully put together video, subbed, will definitely be looking at a fellow creator's channel with great interest.
I can agree with you. Many retro games are either expensive or rare. I still rember when I was 14 years old, modded my Wii and installed many retro consoles emulators....It was a beautiful time.
You are right about emulation.😸👍🎶 But you are wrong about price tags. I got a CIB PSX Digital Video Recorder; a CIB DualShock 2 White Ceramic; a CIB Beatmania IIDX TurnTable ASC; a CIB Beatmania IIDX 7th Style; a CIB Stepup and Down Transformer; a CIB Sanyo Plasma TV; for 45 €. And I've already found 43 vendors with low price tags (Original Retail Price - 70,80,90%). Many people said "There is no hope. Original Hardware is a Holy Grail.". It's wrong. It's 2024. The year of the Retrogaming Revolution.
@JacobCruise facts bro ... Nowadays.. I don't have much time to game on TV so I own a modded oled ps vita doing a good much at keeping me entertained from all the snes nes gba etc plus psp ps1 and vita native Libaryy .. nice handheld package ... Haha df I'm suppose to do ? Go find a snes and a Mario world cartridge for 200+ Dollars ? yeah right 😅
@@connor9568 To me, I'd say that's piracy. If you emulate something like Chibi-Robo, which hasn't had an available release in years, Nintendo/Skip isn't losing a profit because the only other way to get it is second hand. If you try and emulate something like Super Mario. Bros. Nintendo does have that available and they would be losing some amount of money on that.
One thing id like to say is that Nintendo and maybe some other game companies out there don't like emulation, but I personally think that they should at least allow old games to be emulated since those old games and their consoles can't be found in stores anymore. Great video though.
the problem with this (and why companies don't outright endorse this stuff) is that if they say "you can emulate this", it can cause issues with the copyright/IP offices since it can basically be seen as you giving up your copyright (meaning this would cause their company GREAT harm). The best they can do is simply not strike down ROM/emulation sites and pretend they never saw it.
@@Sizzyl So it's been stated, but never has it once been established by legal precedent in any country that condoning emulation has lead to the stripping of software rights from a firm. In fact, as far as the United States goes, the exact opposite problem is in effect - *any* usage of copyright work is prohibited provided it does not fall under fair use laws, whether or not an owner actively enforces that copyright or can even be found at all. Many such works, titled 'orphan works', fall into the latter category. There is oftentimes no or little recourse for third party use of such works. Which begs the question: if firms that do not even exist and copyrights who's holders aren't even known can still cast such a specter over wide swathes of media without ever losing their (unenforced and unenforceable) distribution rights, where's the risk to massive extant corporations with large teams of lawyers? No, the real reason why companies will never endorse emulation nor abandonware is simple. Copyrights are always a potential future source of income, whether or not they are being presently utilized or not. Restricting free distribution of such will always thus benefit the copyright holder, even if at present the copyright holder stands to gain no profit from it - the difference comes in terms of potential *future* profits. To encourage an active ecosystem of emulation developers, ROM distributors, and romhack makers blunts the potential economic impetus for corporations to redistribute past works for profit, because the investment put into such services has to be higher by default, for such services will have to compete with the extant emulation ecosystem that offers its own services without cost. Thus, whether or not a corporation is or isn't actively utilizing its software distribution rights, it is always in its best economic incentive to clamp down on copyright infringement regardless of whether or not those software distribution rights give profit to the corporation at present. In fact, they would happily attempt to clamp down on emulation as a whole if they could do it without risking an expensive and potentially disastrous court battle in the process. If you're the only one that offers a service, you can put in the least amount of investment for the greatest amount of return. Copyright is at its heart a legal monopoly. To expand the powers of rights holders is to expand the scope of that legal monopoly. A monopoly, by definition, never has to worry about competition - either from dedicated hobbyists or other corporations. It will always be in the interest of rights holders to expand the powers of their legal monopolies. Anything else is an excuse. To condone emulation is to condone a limitation on that legal monopoly, to condone one's own competition (either existing or potential future competition). It was never about using it or losing it. It was always about economic incentive and profit margins, not survival.
I like emulation, even though I do buy most of what I have. There are some games, though, that the only way to have them are buying them pre-owned. In which case the money just goes to the owner of the game and not the makers of the game. Plus, some of these pre-owned games have exorbitant prices. In which case I say emulation is the way to go, especially if the game is no longer available legally. As well, there are some games where the company has gone under and the rights for those games are in legal limbo. Emulation, as has been mentioned in the video, also gives us access to the great stuff like save states and rewind functions - as I get older my reflexes and dexterity have declined. We, also, all have lives. Games I would have played when I was young, and could finish in a single sitting (because I had the time), but never had a save after each level (Super Mario Land on the Gameboy is an example - even though I was 25 when I bought it) - well, saving at my whim makes it so much better to play. My aim, when playing a game, is to enjoy it and have fun, not to see if I can speedrun the fastest, or beat the hardest difficulty. So being able to play a game on my terms is attractive. If a company doesn't give me any option to play the game "legally" then I will emulate.
i like emulation because i really like retro games and i also do not have a job to blow ludicrous amounts of money on old snes games its very nice to be able to enjoy some games that will become some of my favorites of all time (the entire metroid series my dearly beloved) and it just enables me to play more i love it
You are right about emulation.😸👍🎶 But you are wrong about price tags. I got a CIB PSX Digital Video Recorder; a CIB DualShock 2 White Ceramic; a CIB Beatmania IIDX TurnTable ASC; a CIB Beatmania IIDX 7th Style; a CIB Stepup and Down Transformer; a CIB Sanyo Plasma TV; for 45 €. And I've already found 43 vendors with low price tags (Original Retail Price - 70,80,90%). Many people said "There is no hope. Original Hardware is a Holy Grail.". It's wrong. It's 2024. The year of the Retrogaming Revolution.
I gotta say I think this was a pretty solid video, I encourage the use of emulators as it's allowed me to play a lot of games with my friends on Discord. It also allows me to play modded content for games that I grew up with, or even just to experience them all over again from the 6th generation and onward.
I use emulation a lot to make videos so I can render them in 4k, but typically I think original hardware provides a better experience. Much smoother, most emulators have a slight input latency that really throws the feel of older games. If I'm just playing a game casually for fun, it's almost always on original hardware. Also fwiw, playing Wii games on a HDD on your actual Wii isn't emulation at all. It's just backup loading. Emulation is when you use software to mimic specific hardware. I guess you could argue that you are technically emulating the disc drive itself when loading Wii backups but the game itself is still running natively, not emulated.
Hate to "Uhm ackshually" someone, but the input delay can actually be better for Switch e.g. I bought a game on Switch but then dumped the game to play it on PC cause it just straight up runs better. Higher Resolution, noticably less lag etc. For all other Consoles though pretty much you're spot on (outside of some silly console I never used like some obscure older Japanese PC, but eh Idc lol). Hell, playing some Switch games Online is best done on PC Emulation as sad as it is. But...Aside that, It's also just...More fun to play on og hardware. Especially older ones, it's super cool to just interact with the consoles themselves IMO. Pop a game in, and it just works. I miss that. Everything's digital these days or a download, it's annoying.
@@SirMalorak Yuzu can definitely decrease FPS drops and netplay might provide an input lag decrease from what the Switch offers since Switch Online is pretty rough, but for playing games offline I seem to recall a very slight input latency. I should note that I am EXTREMELY sensitive to it, I can straight up sense the difference between my ASUS monitor and my LG C1 (going from 10ms to 12ms) so any amount of latency induced by an emulator will stand out to me. Admittedly I've seldom used Yuzu so I may well be misremembering, but the same dev team made Citra which is straight up one of the worst emulators I've ever used in terms of latency (you're looking at a minimum of a quarter of a second in my experience) so I don't have high hopes for it. A few emulators can get better latency than OG hardware through some kind of look ahead mode but it makes the movements of the games look janky due to the nature of how it works. Dolphin also has a way to get better latency than a Wii or GCN but it causes the video to play a frame ahead of the audio which makes it not worth it at all for me, though natively Dolphin is about the same as real hardware so it's not a big deal to disable.
0:07 1) You being four years old in 2008 is crazy to me. I was in high school. 2) I discovered emulation around the same time. My high school computer had an GBA emulator on it that had Pokemon Emerald, Mega Man battle Network, Dragon Ball Adventure, and a few other gems on it. A student put it on the computer for sure but I never found out who did it. I had tons of fun playing those games and I put them on a USB stick and brought them home.
I would say emulation in and of itself is a wonderful tool. The ability to simulate a hardware environment without the actual hardware can save a lot of time while debugging. In the gaming space, it also keeps games alive that would have been lost to time as the original hardware deteriorates without new copies being introduced. Imagine if there was an extremely popular book, but it could only be read if it had a blue cover, and the original publisher decided that it was no longer profitable to continue printing that book. Piracy is a different thing, but I'd say that is different than intent. A company like Nintendo wants to force you to either keep your old system or rebuy the game on the new system, and the actual sharing of a cartridge with a friend would be out of the question. Imagine if a book publisher prevented you from lending out a book to your friend. That doesn't seem right to me. One may argue that allowing pirated copies to exist hurts their brand, but I disagree completely, especially with older, out-of-print titles. What brand identity are they protecting? One of a 20 year old system/game with mechanics/design 20 years behind the curve? Do modern displays even have direct RCA compatibility? I don't know, it seems like forced scarcity to me
To put it another way: Nintendo has gotten $300+ dollars more out of me because they have forced their games onto an exclusive system. Are any of their games actually worth $360-$370?
It if wasn't for emulation retro gaming wouldn't be anywhere near as popular as it currently is. And when it comes to 3D systems emulation is far superior to the original console. You can RGB mod that old Nintendo 64 all you want but it isn't going to look anywhere near as crisp and clean as emulation. The Dreamcast is probably my all time favorite console but I got rid of it and just emulate. The games looks so much better in HD on an emulator then they ever could on the original system.
I agree with pretty much everything you had to say, except for the implication that downloading games slowly off a shady website is any less bad than just torrenting, theyre essentially the same thing, and I feel this way even about torrenting movies vs. streaming off a movie piracy website, at the end of the day it's all the same thing, you're downloading content illegally through the internet. That being said, I 100% agree that emulation is glorious and one of the greatest things to happen to the gaming industry when it comes to just accessibility and preservation of art.
Some of the games I emulate I already own a copy of, but neither do I feel guilty for downloading a 20-30 year old when Nintendo for example is already making millions and has the most overpriced games. I mean the Switch is basically just a Wii U on the go at this point with all the ports over from that failed console!
@@JacobCruise Yes, but it is still VERY important to differentiate the two. In fact, it is because even Nintendo chooses not to differentiate between the two that we even have this whole debacle. Emulation factually doesn't hurt them. Piracy does. Emulation can be done without committing any piracy. And piracy can be done (and taken advantage of) without ever doing any emulation. It is just fundamentally and factually wrong to group the two together. And by not caring about it and doing it anyways, we now have tons of people that GENUINELY believe the two words are synonymous, that constantly take shots at emulation, when they really mean piracy. And those people are mostly, but sadly NOT ONLY your random, powerless internet trolls.
If it wasn’t for emulation, I probably wouldn’t be as into games as I am now. All my Nintendo systems are home brewed including switch and I can get any game from any Nintendo console I want. I love emulation.
Shout out to emulation for letting me play fire emblem 4 and Thracia 776, because if you're not going to release it to the west, we'll translate it ourselves
Emulation is fine for really old consoles, but when you get to systems like the DS, 3DS or onward it's clear you're better off playing on the real deal. Rumble, touch screen, motion, wireless connection. Anything more than basic functionality is just a pain to set up on most emulators and is just never worth it.
@@aaaaaaa-so8op He does not mean running. He means making use of the features that can't be really replicated with a keyboard and mouse. Like, try playing a Wii game that makes intensive use of motion controls with just those two periferals.
Ds is fine emulated more so on a phone particularly the samsung s series with a spen. 3ds tho is alot more stabile on a real 3ds and probably will be better on a real 3ds for long time. To many audio issues, shaders and crashes.
@@JacobCruise there are lots and lots of those types of games on PC although usually the cutscenes aren't nearly as cool. I haven't actually played them I'm just guessing they look like crap. I'm not into those types of games but I did beat whichever one I owned just because the cutscenes were super cool and I almost wish you could just watch the cutscenes without having to play the damn game. Ps what I said puzzle game I meant, Tetris, Puyo Puyo, Dr. Mario, Puzzle League, Kirby Star Stacker, Astropop, Bejeweled, Puzzle and Dragons Super Mario edition, Tetris 2 (both NES and SNES), Yoshi, Hatris, Yoshi's Cookie, Mutant Muds, Luminous, Hexic 2, Zuma, Luxor, Stone Loops of Jessica, etc
I'm a bit older than you, but in a similar situation, emulation was literally my childhood and spurred my interest in tech and computers. I have Nes, Snes and Gensis nostalgia despite never having played any of them besides the Nes. Nowdays I spend a boatload on games but emulation made me a passionate gamer for life.
I completely I agree with this video I remember when I first discovered emulation back in my middle school days it was awesome and still is and has come so far
Your dad is cool - my dad worked in IT when internet was still in early days where I live, and he teached me and my brothers to pirate both pc games and emulate console games. He probably did it because we couldn't afford games/consoles, but I'm very grateful for it
my dad showed me how to emulate stuff too, cause i wanted to play the GBC Pokemon games. i've never looked back since. i recently homebrewed my 3DS and that's my main emulation device now (except for stuff like GameCube and Wii)
I almost exclusively emulate games I already own, simply because emulators have a ton of advantages over og hardware. Like why boot up the Gamecube in its blurry 480p when with Dolphin I can upscale to HD, install mods, and stream without a capture card? But of course, older games require a lot of specialized tools to dump, so downloading tends to be a much more viable option than using my own copy.
Emulation is one of the best things to ever happen to us since we can't afford every console that's out there because they're either hard to find or hard to afford. With the power of emulation, we can play any game we want on any platform.
You are right about emulation.😸👍🎶 But you are wrong about price tags. I got a CIB PSX Digital Video Recorder; a CIB DualShock 2 White Ceramic; a CIB Beatmania IIDX TurnTable ASC; a CIB Beatmania IIDX 7th Style; a CIB Stepup and Down Transformer; a CIB Sanyo Plasma TV; for 45 €. And I've already found 43 vendors with low price tags (Original Retail Price - 70,80,90%). Many people said "There is no hope. Original Hardware is a Holy Grail.". It's wrong. It's 2024. The year of the Retrogaming Revolution.
One thing not mentioned is the older games being expensive especially GameCube games and most Pokémon games prior to Pokémon X and Y to the point that emulation or (hacking the console) is required to get these games. Also, finding controllers for older consoles, even Xbox 360, is a problem due to an amount of no-name knock-off controllers which aren't as good as the original and often fail to work with some console features such as pressure sensitivity (PS2/PS3), along L/R (GameCube), Sixaxis motions (PS3) and Wii Remote motions (Wii/Wii U).
You are right about emulation.😸👍🎶 But you are wrong about price tags. I got a CIB PSX Digital Video Recorder; a CIB DualShock 2 White Ceramic; a CIB Beatmania IIDX TurnTable ASC; a CIB Beatmania IIDX 7th Style; a CIB Stepup and Down Transformer; a CIB Sanyo Plasma TV; for 45 €. And I've already found 43 vendors with low price tags (Original Retail Price - 70,80,90%). Many people said "There is no hope. Original Hardware is a Holy Grail.". It's wrong. It's 2024. The year of the Retrogaming Revolution.
My Rule of Thumb with emulation is "If I can't buy it legally, then I can always get it for free" Then again. Even if I do own a game legally, I still would prefer to emulate it on my own because the official avenues don't have RetroAchievement support.
I remember my dad getting a bunch of random games from a USB for me on the Wii (Pokepark Wii rocks). Years later I realized “oh shit, my dad emulated games for me” like that was dope (thanks dad) The weirdest thing about those games was that the New Super Mario Bros.Wii was “modded” or changed the original game by a guy named Tom. So me and my friends played Tom’s New Super Mario Bros together, which was really fun because it gave us so many cheats the original game obviously didn’t have… Man, emulation gives you some good memories
emulation is sadly still the best way to play old games kinda sad but oh well. luckily many dedicated people. thank you and thank the pepole who made this possible
Emulation today couldn't be easier, since many seller sells "x TB HDD with batocera / hyperspin drive will 10,000 plus of games" on Aliexpress which is basically entire library of games from Atari 2600 era towards PS1-N64-Saturn era and countless of modern games from PS2 / Gamecube / Xbox era towards new generation such as PS5. no need to "Torrenting r0m one by one" like the old days.
Emulation and modded consoles are the best way to play. It puts more control in the hands of the end user instead of the corporation, and also, the original locked-down or "Nintended" experience just isn't as good. Like, I'm fine paying for games, but I want to control the environment it runs in.
BRUH THANK YOU!!! someone else had a similar childhood like me growing up XD Felt like I was the only one. I came from a fam with 4 kids and as cost mounted among us getting a couple broken shovelware esque titles my dad had enough and ended up getting the "real M3" ds flash cart and Itouch one for myself. It's thanks to this I got to play so many awesome DS games growing up as living overseas made it hard to get access to new releases and by the time I was in the states a lot of games weren't on storeshelves! As years have gone on i've given back to these devs of course in ways I can buying any remasters or remakes (like locke's quest on ps4 for example) but it's thanks to that cart and emulation as a whole I became such a hardcore gamer and it's always opened the door to extremely obscure yet awesome titles. Highly recommend the dreamcast library of games as it's pretty much perfect :D some of my personal favs being dynamite cop, super magnetic neo, and the exquisite skies of arcadia!
8:34 that REALLY depends on your country. Mind you I'm 100% on your side here, but I know people who got in trouble (Had to pay a fine) for illegally downloading software off the internet. Some countries DO prosecute this, so be careful with this advise. ...The fine was much lower than paying for the games tho, so ehhhhhh just wanted to mention it o3o
I like the honesty. Nowadays many CZcamsrs who make a video about emulation are kinda hypocritical because of the fear of punishment of downloading illegal roms.
dude this video hits a home run for me. Ive been super into emulation since i was a kid. I also figured out how to get pokemone fire red on my ipod touch. very good video. your dad is cool for setting up your wii and stuff
Emulation is what got me into pokemon. My brother is actually the one who showed me what it was, and he isn't even a big gamer. he just saw a video of someone playing fire red on their phone and tried it out himself, and then I thought it was cool and also tried it out. eventually i became a paying customer, buying every new pokemon game.
9:12 I'm a fellow prerelease switch game enjoyer. Sent you a discord fr. Feel free to ask me about anything bro. Great vid! And yeah, nintendo hates their fans so I don't feel remorse for pirating their games. Not like they cared about me doing it beforehand.
I remember I was 9 years old and learned how to homebrew my old 3DS and I played a LOT of games, with my DSi XL too but I was obsessed trying to play parappa on my 3DS but it was the first model and you needed a "new" model so..
I love emulation and piracy, some people try to say that piracy is this evil thing, but as someone that grow up in a poor country, I could see how beneficial that is, if piracy, emulation and hacks wasn't a thing, no one here in Brazil would ever had the opportunity to play Playstation 1 and 2, or Nintendo games, since those companies didn't sale anything in here in the past. Also, piracy usually leads to official purchase, so in a way, if it wasn't for piracy or emulation, a lot of those companies probably wouldn't even have a merket in more poor countrys today. Anyway, emulation is great, and piracy does more good than harm to the industry.
emulation itself isnt illegal its the piracy of game roms that is personally i dont care about legal or illegal i do what i want and id suggest all of you to as well
But there is another side to emulation - when you give a kid a cartridge with like 1000 games, what often happens is they spend 15 minutes in each but never get anything out of any. Ive seen it happen to many people and have experienced it myself. But when I had my 3DS, for which I would get a big game only once in 3 months, I got all the juice I could out of those games, or any other games I could get in between, like VC games.
From context clues, you sound quite a bit younger than me, but I had a lot of similar experiences! Emulators aren't new, but they have come a long way. We had (choppy af) SNES emulators on our Windows 98 PC. The wii was an awesome homebrew machine, but the OG for me was the OG Xbox. We had pretty much the entire library of Atari, NES, SNES, and Genesis on our Xbox. Later, I got into soft modding xboxes myself. I think I still have the tools lying around, and def have the ISO that has all the roms. I may have an old modded xbox or two lying around still.
Dude I still have my Mech Assault disc with the save game vulnerability that I bought when I was a teenager. My OG Xbox still runs great and I recently stuck a 1 TB SSD in there. The OG Xbox is powerful enough to emulate an N64 or PS1, albeit with bad framerates and the OG Xbox library is still great. Some modders recently found a way to recreate OG Xbox Live with the Insignia project, though sadly Halo 2 isn't working yet.
I started emulation in 2016. And somehow. I managed to get away with getting viruses from rom sites. Which I still do. However, in the later years. one franchise that got me interested in collecting an actual copy with just one game was gran turismo 2. Now I have almost every gran turismo in my collection. Only missing 7 GTHD (PS3 demo) and GT2000. Two being to observe why I would not get them in my collection due to budget reason along with regional reason's. At the same time in 2016. I wanted to replay sonic heroes after not being able to play it thanks to the fact that 1. My xbox 360 hdd was not big enough in size meaning it was missing the xbox back compat. Which these days I'm better of playing my og xbox games in an emulator or my modded og xbox. 2. I had nothing else to play the game on. I tried an early ps2 emulator and dolphin on my phone. And of course got no where. That was until late 2017 when I got my first gaming pc. And the first thing I did was install dolphin just to play sonic heroes once again. Without emulation. We would lose the icon's that made gaming what it is today. With less ways to play old system's. And company's making poor efforts or non to preserve old and lost game's. We need emulation now more then ever. And company's like Nintendo need to start opening there eye's. And see the damage thats being caused by not taking proper action. Reather they are stuck in the past. And looking at it as if its hugely damaging the company. When it really isn't. Emulation is not just about piracy. But also... its about preservation and the things we love. Company's like nintendo may have their right to their games. But when some end up going unloved by the corporation itself. We have our right to save it as much as possible.
Bro... You legit have the coolest parents that I've ever heard of. The story about your dad giving you the Wii roms hard drive makes him seem like such a G. Lol
My cousin introduced my to emulation since I was 5 and I haven't turned back since. It's really great to see other people grow up the same way. Great video :)
@@JacobCruise that happens to me sometimes with someone says stuff or asks a certainly where they could be around my age and then they're like nope I'm way younger and I'm like holy crap.
Hey! I see a lot of disgruntled "wrong terms" comments, jyst wanna say for a "heres why i did this it was cool" video, nobody expects all the terms to be applied correctly all the time. I know piracy != emulation, but for 99% of people, they wont be dumping their games, and the experience related specifically to piracy is broadly relatable. No human I know will buy a copy of enduro for atari 2600 and the hardware to dump it, just to play a game older than the average viewer. If I had one gripe, i'd say change the term to "morally justifiable piracy". Avoids the whole issue around "emulation is/isnt this", while being clear that you aren't letting small indie devs starve to save 5 bucks you could easily spend. JSAB (an indie game) has a great take on piracy, where the devs go "we pirated because it was the only way to enjoy games, we get it, but buy a copy later if you can". And thats prople that 100% need the profit more than nintendo.
7:14 Yes they do; the first time I used it was on an NES emulator for the DS (NesDS); the L button was a rewind button while the R button was a fast forward button.
Wait, you actually got a letter regarding torrenting? I've never seen that happen at least in my country (Spain) except for owners of major rom websites or things like that
The first time I got into emulation was when I heard of Super Mario World rom hacks. I thought they were so neat and I wanted to try it but I didn’t know how to do it(I was not tech savvy at all and didn’t know how to open snes9x)then I got a modded Wii for Christmas and it was amazing. I had a bunch of GameCube games so I figured I try those games on a pc emulator. This time I knew how to do it so I finally started emulating, modding consoles,etc. I’m very happy I got that Wii because I wouldn’t be the nerd I am today.
6:40 hell yeah I love these features (fast forward, save & load state) (btw pokemon colosseum and xd are my favorite pokemon but It doesn't let player skip battle animation so fast forward is very useful). also I love doing randomizer. randomizer makes me enjoy same game again and again. recently I tried wii mod and 3ds mod. it was easy af and It was a great experience!
Nintendo DS and R4 was always a great combination. Today modding a 3DS is now pretty easy and a great way to keep enjoying it's library,since Nintendo clearly won't let us to...
W dad + basically my childhood where nintendo doesnt exist in INDIA and I literally emualted nes , snes , n64 , gc ,wii lol ... my father only bought nes and 3ds for me by importing rest I enjoyed in PC and android .... tech savy thing is necessary lmao
@@JacobCruisetrue. I don’t even want it JUST to pirate. I want to be able to emulate games that aren’t on switch online. Like the switch has joycons that would be perfect for the wii. Or imagine beat saber or something with them. I also want to be able to watch Netflix or something, because the only streaming apps in the uk for switch are: CZcams, crunchyroll and Pokémon tv.
Picture this: playing Nesticle in DOS. those were the days. Also, if anyone can remember dial up internet taking 10ish min just to download a SNES game.
For Nintendo, everything below 3ds and Wii U (not including those 2) should be allowed to emulate. 3ds and Wii U is fair to be not allowed until they are 3rd gen. For Xbox, Xbox 360 as it could run on the Xbox one but not all games are supported and original Xbox. Xbox one should not be allowed to be emulated. For Playstation, ps3 and bellow seems fair. For Sega, every retro one should be emulated. Retro pc, everything that isn’t available to be played on windows 7, 10 and 11.
Dude, wtf I thought you'd have like 100k subs this is extremely well done, I enjoyed the video. I also got into gaming by emulating, more specifically pokemon. I played out pokemon emerald and various other romhacks on my samsung phone around 2013 and it was awesome. Thanks for the video for curing my boredom for a bit 🙂 keep it up!
With there being no remasters or ports of Golden Sun and the Legend of Spyro games available for purchase, I don’t really see the harm in emulating those.
how did you keep loosing your saves i never had that problem with emulation many emulators do have a rewind, look through the settings and documentation. SNES emulators did that stuff 20 years before NSO did.
Some modern versions of emulators allow you to save in game just like on the retail versions like PCSX2 and for old games I think BSNES can do that via making an SRM file per Rom iirc.
When scrolling down I was expecting to see like 200k subscribers, but I am now surprised on how well this video is put together for a fairly small channel, keep it up!
I used to have a PSP but I never really played any PSP games on it that often. So when I was 12, I found a tutorial online that showed how to install a GBA emulator on my PSP and holy shit it was the greatest experience ever once I got that working
This was the exact way I was introduced to emulation as a child as well. I remember we didn't have any money as a kid to buy games, so when my father bought us a Wii he also made sure to go to the mall and paid a dude to hack it for us. He hacked around 100-200 games, some of the best Wii games also by the way. We had every new wii games you could think of, games that costed $60 in the store we just had for free, with my dad paying the guy like 40-50 dollars to hack it. I also recall the Wii having hacked gamecube games too, and that was when I realized that ROMs were a thing. From then on I went on to emulate tons of different games, from the N64 era, the PS1 era, even the PS2 era when I got a PC powerful enough to play them. I've played so many games that I otherwise wouldn't have ever played, and honestly with emulation who are you actually hurting? These companies haven't released many of their games on modern consoles, and the games aren't in circulation either. Are you really stealing? When the company makes 0 profit or losses off of you emulating ROMs? Buying the game "legally" is also not an alternative, as scalpers take advantage of how hard the game is to obtain and price them to the roof just because they want to. That's why games like Persona 3 FES / Persona 1 - 2 are all priced at 200-300 dollars, and why soul hackers a game that isn't obtainable in any capacity in 2023 is priced so high. What would you rather do? Pad some stupid scalpers pockets who only cares about profit and exploiting people's desire to get old games to play who doesn't even care about video games? Or just grab a rom and emulate it? Emulation is actually a positive for many game companies, games which are out of circulation don't make you profit, the more people emulate the more people play your older games. And the more people who play your older games, they may be open to trying out some of the new games, and vice versa.
You are right about emulation.😸👍🎶 But you are wrong about price tags. I got a CIB PSX Digital Video Recorder; a CIB DualShock 2 White Ceramic; a CIB Beatmania IIDX TurnTable ASC; a CIB Beatmania IIDX 7th Style; a CIB Stepup and Down Transformer; a CIB Sanyo Plasma TV; for 45 €. And I've already found 43 vendors with low price tags (Original Retail Price - 70,80,90%). Many people said "There is no hope. Original Hardware is a Holy Grail.". It's wrong. It's 2024. The year of the Retrogaming Revolution.
0:21 Anyone that is downloading ROMs off the internet needs to know you cant do that without a VPN running. And don't use a free VPN. Pay for it. The paid ones are more reliable for privacy.
I can only imagine how much an 70's - 00's kids mind would be blown just having a hacked console handed to them with infinite games. Immensely jealous of your childhood.
While emulation is great, something I have noticed personally is that at least for newer consoles like the Wii, 3DS and Switch, whenever I pirate or emulate a game I lose interest pretty quick. When I buy and play them legally, on the other hand, I tend to stay interested. Except for Kirby Star Allies. Played through one level, but my experience was really negative because I was sick as fuck, so I lost all interest. I'll get to it eventually.
Yeah, that's natural. If you buy something, you're committed to wanting to get your money's worth out of a game. If you don't, then you have nothing to lose and there's no motivation to play it (outside of possibly your friend recommending it, then sure).
I love emulation. I'm mostly more PC Emulation. I love it due to the Rom hacks. I never knew that Luigi mansion rom hacks are pretty advanced. And pikmin 2 rom hacks i love also. I Also like Handheld emulators but there are soo much companies that have roms already pre installed on there with a lot of trashy cheap 20 handhelds that gives me a bad taste in my mouth. I usually recommend Retroid pocket due to a good quality product with no pre installed games on there and you have to get your own. I know there are other better options but for me i think Retroid pocket is the best place for me.
This guy had the absolute best parents that were tech-savvy enough to figure out how to play many many games off ROMS and Homebrew
W parents
Nah they just bought a flash cart cause it said 500 games on it
We had a neighbour do it for like €10-15. Guy was cashing big time but for my parents still cheaper than buying a €50 game every time
@@jamie36 My guy did it for 40 😭
@@uncrstbl damnnn
Interesting video, but there are some faults in your explanations. Piracy and emulation are not an interchangeable terms, you can play on emulators legally. Playing ROMs via their intended hardware (like on the wii or ds) is also not emulation.
I’m sure I was technically wrong at some points. But nobody besides a certain group of hardcore people knows the terminology.
@@JacobCruise but as the content creator you should be using the correct terminology, because then we end up with misinformed viewers
@@ShitFlingingMonkey i disagree if people buy a copy of the game they should be able to play it on whatever platform they want
After all they own that copy
To add to that if a person buys a copy of a game then I'd see no issue with them downloading a rom copy in order to emulate it if they don't have the tools to dump it
At that point They've already given the developer money to play the game so they should be able to play it how they want to
@@ShitFlingingMonkey to add even more to that, a lot of games up till the PS3 era have become essentially abandonware.
Emulation on PC is one of the greatest things to ever happen to gaming.
Loading ROMs and ISOs onto the supported hardware isn't emulation. Piracy is also not emulation, as emulation can be done legally. Rewind is also not a Nintendo exclusive thing nor did they invent it. it has exited in emulators long before Nintendo added them to their own, I believe Rare Replay popularized. Terminology should be properly used when making a video about this.
Sorry bro 😭
Emulation goes brrr
Existed long before rare replay, try nesticle or zsnes back in the windows 95 days
Piracy is emulation, albeit illegally. Emulation in of itself is legal but when used in conjunction with illegally acquired ROMs can become illegal. Just because its illegal doesn't mean it isn't emulation.
Oh god the Nintendo ninjas are already outside my house when I was playing this video through my speaker it's over for me guys, use emulation terminology properly wtf
tl;dr : legal or not, I believe it is moral to pirate games no longer available through official means, it can make you discover and play games you never knew you would like, and in turn, maybe help the companies that made them with their most recent games, so that they might make similar games down the line. Also, it doesn't need to be illegal if you can dump your own games onto your computer for better performances.
I'm gonna be honest, I feel like emulation is more about morality than legality : Is the game still distributed by other means than resale ? If not, then it doesn't matter if you pirate it from anywhere, because the original creators won't get a single penny from it anyway. If yes, do you support the company ? Do you want more games like this from them ? If both answer are no, then pirate it (I would be against it personnaly, I feel like piracy for games should only be done if no other official way is available, but everyone has his own boundaries) (Also don't come and say that the devs are getting paid from sales : most time they're not, they got their paycheck, now it's the company getting the money).
But if you can support a company that produces or produced games you liked, go for it. I'll take an exemple : Thanks to emulation, I have played, in my eyes, one of the greatest and most overlooked DS game "Solatorobo: Red the Hunter" which if I had a DS to play it on would have cost me at least a 100$ to buy off resale, but with emulation, I could just do it right away on my PC. And I loved the game so much, I went and tried to know as much as I could about it (Did you know that the track list in the jukebox of the game has the same amount of tracks than the CDs of the OST that was sold 2 years later, but with one track changed ? It's because the game contains two version of the track "Re-CODA", one of them being replaced by the opening theme "And then, to CODA", absent from the game jukebox originaly.)
I found out that the game is part of a universe of games that seems to be passion project (they always sell poorly it seems, and there's a lot of love put into them, because they keep making them anyway) to the company who makes them : Cyber Connect 2, Naruto: Ultimate ninja, Jojo's bizarre adventure figthing games, Asura's Wrath, and .hack//, that sells overall pretty well which they use to finance those smaller and more heartfelt titles. That's why I bought their two latest entries in this universe "Fuga: Melodies of Steel" 1 and 2, which are now part of my favorite games of all time and all that because I emulated an obscure DS game
FURTHERMORE, emulation can make you discover games you never knew about that you could like, and thanks to great communities, some of those regionaly locked games have fan translations that make them available to more people, I could never have played Mother 3 for exemple if it wasn't translated from Japanese, same for Klonoa Heroes: The legendary star medal, two excellent GBA gems that I would recommand to anyone ready to look into it.
Also for more titles that you own, emultaion can enhance the experience, and you can do it legally with your copies of the game and the console. It requires a little more technical knowledge and implication than just downloading a file from the internet and loading it into a software, and sometimes requires a hacked console (My switch can testify) but you can now play your games on your computer, and can also serve as a backup if your console eventually dies. Also, it can morally allow you to play your more recent game through emulation, like I did with my switch library (And it's legal, because you bought your games)
Great read. Thanks for watching the vid!
That talk about the r4 really resonated with me. I grew up playing many DS games and every now and then a new title would show up in the console, and I'd play it as much as I could. Cooking Mama, NSMB, Professor Layton and Mario 64 DS were huge pillars of my childhood and I really loved playing these games alone or with my family. Thank you for letting me ramble about these memories aha. Wonderfully put together video, subbed, will definitely be looking at a fellow creator's channel with great interest.
Glad I got some good memories going! Loved those games too
I can agree with you. Many retro games are either expensive or rare. I still rember when I was 14 years old, modded my Wii and installed many retro consoles emulators....It was a beautiful time.
Good days 🥲
You are right about emulation.😸👍🎶
But you are wrong about price tags.
I got a CIB PSX Digital Video Recorder; a CIB DualShock 2 White Ceramic; a CIB Beatmania IIDX TurnTable ASC; a CIB Beatmania IIDX 7th Style; a CIB Stepup and Down Transformer; a CIB Sanyo Plasma TV; for 45 €.
And I've already found 43 vendors with low price tags (Original Retail Price - 70,80,90%). Many people said "There is no hope. Original Hardware is a Holy Grail.". It's wrong. It's 2024. The year of the Retrogaming Revolution.
It is always morally correct to pirate 30 year old Nintendo Games.
FACTS
@JacobCruise facts bro ... Nowadays.. I don't have much time to game on TV so I own a modded oled ps vita doing a good much at keeping me entertained from all the snes nes gba etc plus psp ps1 and vita native Libaryy .. nice handheld package ... Haha df I'm suppose to do ? Go find a snes and a Mario world cartridge for 200+ Dollars ? yeah right 😅
To me, it's completely ethical to emulate any game the publisher doesn't make available on the current market.
Yep. 100%
It’s ethical even if they do sell it
@@connor9568 To me, I'd say that's piracy. If you emulate something like Chibi-Robo, which hasn't had an available release in years, Nintendo/Skip isn't losing a profit because the only other way to get it is second hand. If you try and emulate something like Super Mario. Bros. Nintendo does have that available and they would be losing some amount of money on that.
@@connor9568hey man I can’t lie I would pirate games on the DS when it was still active
first youtuber to be honest loll
One thing id like to say is that Nintendo and maybe some other game companies out there don't like emulation, but I personally think that they should at least allow old games to be emulated since those old games and their consoles can't be found in stores anymore. Great video though.
Thanks!
the problem with this (and why companies don't outright endorse this stuff) is that if they say "you can emulate this", it can cause issues with the copyright/IP offices since it can basically be seen as you giving up your copyright (meaning this would cause their company GREAT harm). The best they can do is simply not strike down ROM/emulation sites and pretend they never saw it.
@@Sizzyl So it's been stated, but never has it once been established by legal precedent in any country that condoning emulation has lead to the stripping of software rights from a firm. In fact, as far as the United States goes, the exact opposite problem is in effect - *any* usage of copyright work is prohibited provided it does not fall under fair use laws, whether or not an owner actively enforces that copyright or can even be found at all. Many such works, titled 'orphan works', fall into the latter category. There is oftentimes no or little recourse for third party use of such works.
Which begs the question: if firms that do not even exist and copyrights who's holders aren't even known can still cast such a specter over wide swathes of media without ever losing their (unenforced and unenforceable) distribution rights, where's the risk to massive extant corporations with large teams of lawyers?
No, the real reason why companies will never endorse emulation nor abandonware is simple. Copyrights are always a potential future source of income, whether or not they are being presently utilized or not. Restricting free distribution of such will always thus benefit the copyright holder, even if at present the copyright holder stands to gain no profit from it - the difference comes in terms of potential *future* profits. To encourage an active ecosystem of emulation developers, ROM distributors, and romhack makers blunts the potential economic impetus for corporations to redistribute past works for profit, because the investment put into such services has to be higher by default, for such services will have to compete with the extant emulation ecosystem that offers its own services without cost.
Thus, whether or not a corporation is or isn't actively utilizing its software distribution rights, it is always in its best economic incentive to clamp down on copyright infringement regardless of whether or not those software distribution rights give profit to the corporation at present. In fact, they would happily attempt to clamp down on emulation as a whole if they could do it without risking an expensive and potentially disastrous court battle in the process. If you're the only one that offers a service, you can put in the least amount of investment for the greatest amount of return. Copyright is at its heart a legal monopoly. To expand the powers of rights holders is to expand the scope of that legal monopoly. A monopoly, by definition, never has to worry about competition - either from dedicated hobbyists or other corporations.
It will always be in the interest of rights holders to expand the powers of their legal monopolies. Anything else is an excuse. To condone emulation is to condone a limitation on that legal monopoly, to condone one's own competition (either existing or potential future competition). It was never about using it or losing it. It was always about economic incentive and profit margins, not survival.
@@slizzysluzzer that actually makes more sense yea
I like emulation, even though I do buy most of what I have. There are some games, though, that the only way to have them are buying them pre-owned. In which case the money just goes to the owner of the game and not the makers of the game. Plus, some of these pre-owned games have exorbitant prices. In which case I say emulation is the way to go, especially if the game is no longer available legally. As well, there are some games where the company has gone under and the rights for those games are in legal limbo. Emulation, as has been mentioned in the video, also gives us access to the great stuff like save states and rewind functions - as I get older my reflexes and dexterity have declined. We, also, all have lives. Games I would have played when I was young, and could finish in a single sitting (because I had the time), but never had a save after each level (Super Mario Land on the Gameboy is an example - even though I was 25 when I bought it) - well, saving at my whim makes it so much better to play. My aim, when playing a game, is to enjoy it and have fun, not to see if I can speedrun the fastest, or beat the hardest difficulty. So being able to play a game on my terms is attractive. If a company doesn't give me any option to play the game "legally" then I will emulate.
i like emulation because i really like retro games and i also do not have a job to blow ludicrous amounts of money on old snes games its very nice to be able to enjoy some games that will become some of my favorites of all time (the entire metroid series my dearly beloved) and it just enables me to play more i love it
very awesome to hear
You are right about emulation.😸👍🎶
But you are wrong about price tags.
I got a CIB PSX Digital Video Recorder; a CIB DualShock 2 White Ceramic; a CIB Beatmania IIDX TurnTable ASC; a CIB Beatmania IIDX 7th Style; a CIB Stepup and Down Transformer; a CIB Sanyo Plasma TV; for 45 €.
And I've already found 43 vendors with low price tags (Original Retail Price - 70,80,90%). Many people said "There is no hope. Original Hardware is a Holy Grail.". It's wrong. It's 2024. The year of the Retrogaming Revolution.
I gotta say I think this was a pretty solid video, I encourage the use of emulators as it's allowed me to play a lot of games with my friends on Discord. It also allows me to play modded content for games that I grew up with, or even just to experience them all over again from the 6th generation and onward.
Thank you!
how do u play emulated games with ur friends when online isnt available thru emulation?
@@ronaldmcdonald6067 netplay
I use emulation a lot to make videos so I can render them in 4k, but typically I think original hardware provides a better experience. Much smoother, most emulators have a slight input latency that really throws the feel of older games. If I'm just playing a game casually for fun, it's almost always on original hardware.
Also fwiw, playing Wii games on a HDD on your actual Wii isn't emulation at all. It's just backup loading. Emulation is when you use software to mimic specific hardware. I guess you could argue that you are technically emulating the disc drive itself when loading Wii backups but the game itself is still running natively, not emulated.
Didn’t know that actually. But I technically was still emulating other consoles on Homebrew so. Right in my mind
Hate to "Uhm ackshually" someone, but the input delay can actually be better for Switch e.g.
I bought a game on Switch but then dumped the game to play it on PC cause it just straight up runs better. Higher Resolution, noticably less lag etc. For all other Consoles though pretty much you're spot on (outside of some silly console I never used like some obscure older Japanese PC, but eh Idc lol). Hell, playing some Switch games Online is best done on PC Emulation as sad as it is.
But...Aside that, It's also just...More fun to play on og hardware. Especially older ones, it's super cool to just interact with the consoles themselves IMO. Pop a game in, and it just works. I miss that. Everything's digital these days or a download, it's annoying.
@@SirMalorak Yuzu can definitely decrease FPS drops and netplay might provide an input lag decrease from what the Switch offers since Switch Online is pretty rough, but for playing games offline I seem to recall a very slight input latency. I should note that I am EXTREMELY sensitive to it, I can straight up sense the difference between my ASUS monitor and my LG C1 (going from 10ms to 12ms) so any amount of latency induced by an emulator will stand out to me.
Admittedly I've seldom used Yuzu so I may well be misremembering, but the same dev team made Citra which is straight up one of the worst emulators I've ever used in terms of latency (you're looking at a minimum of a quarter of a second in my experience) so I don't have high hopes for it. A few emulators can get better latency than OG hardware through some kind of look ahead mode but it makes the movements of the games look janky due to the nature of how it works. Dolphin also has a way to get better latency than a Wii or GCN but it causes the video to play a frame ahead of the audio which makes it not worth it at all for me, though natively Dolphin is about the same as real hardware so it's not a big deal to disable.
0:07 1) You being four years old in 2008 is crazy to me. I was in high school. 2) I discovered emulation around the same time. My high school computer had an GBA emulator on it that had Pokemon Emerald, Mega Man battle Network, Dragon Ball Adventure, and a few other gems on it. A student put it on the computer for sure but I never found out who did it. I had tons of fun playing those games and I put them on a USB stick and brought them home.
I would say emulation in and of itself is a wonderful tool. The ability to simulate a hardware environment without the actual hardware can save a lot of time while debugging. In the gaming space, it also keeps games alive that would have been lost to time as the original hardware deteriorates without new copies being introduced. Imagine if there was an extremely popular book, but it could only be read if it had a blue cover, and the original publisher decided that it was no longer profitable to continue printing that book.
Piracy is a different thing, but I'd say that is different than intent. A company like Nintendo wants to force you to either keep your old system or rebuy the game on the new system, and the actual sharing of a cartridge with a friend would be out of the question. Imagine if a book publisher prevented you from lending out a book to your friend. That doesn't seem right to me.
One may argue that allowing pirated copies to exist hurts their brand, but I disagree completely, especially with older, out-of-print titles. What brand identity are they protecting? One of a 20 year old system/game with mechanics/design 20 years behind the curve? Do modern displays even have direct RCA compatibility?
I don't know, it seems like forced scarcity to me
To put it another way: Nintendo has gotten $300+ dollars more out of me because they have forced their games onto an exclusive system. Are any of their games actually worth $360-$370?
It if wasn't for emulation retro gaming wouldn't be anywhere near as popular as it currently is. And when it comes to 3D systems emulation is far superior to the original console. You can RGB mod that old Nintendo 64 all you want but it isn't going to look anywhere near as crisp and clean as emulation. The Dreamcast is probably my all time favorite console but I got rid of it and just emulate. The games looks so much better in HD on an emulator then they ever could on the original system.
Absolutely.
I agree with pretty much everything you had to say, except for the implication that downloading games slowly off a shady website is any less bad than just torrenting, theyre essentially the same thing, and I feel this way even about torrenting movies vs. streaming off a movie piracy website, at the end of the day it's all the same thing, you're downloading content illegally through the internet. That being said, I 100% agree that emulation is glorious and one of the greatest things to happen to the gaming industry when it comes to just accessibility and preservation of art.
Facts
It is morally okay to pirate nintendo games
W
There’s a big difference in what piracy and emulation stand for.
true, but probably 90% of people who emulate also pirate.
even so, the words shouldn't be used interchangeably
Some of the games I emulate I already own a copy of, but neither do I feel guilty for downloading a 20-30 year old when Nintendo for example is already making millions and has the most overpriced games. I mean the Switch is basically just a Wii U on the go at this point with all the ports over from that failed console!
Imagine being that guy who buys a 20yo game for $1000+ on eBay. Couldn't be me.
@@JacobCruise Yes, but it is still VERY important to differentiate the two. In fact, it is because even Nintendo chooses not to differentiate between the two that we even have this whole debacle. Emulation factually doesn't hurt them. Piracy does. Emulation can be done without committing any piracy. And piracy can be done (and taken advantage of) without ever doing any emulation. It is just fundamentally and factually wrong to group the two together. And by not caring about it and doing it anyways, we now have tons of people that GENUINELY believe the two words are synonymous, that constantly take shots at emulation, when they really mean piracy. And those people are mostly, but sadly NOT ONLY your random, powerless internet trolls.
If it wasn’t for emulation, I probably wouldn’t be as into games as I am now. All my Nintendo systems are home brewed including switch and I can get any game from any Nintendo console I want. I love emulation.
Shout out to emulation for letting me play fire emblem 4 and Thracia 776, because if you're not going to release it to the west, we'll translate it ourselves
Yupp
Emulation is fine for really old consoles, but when you get to systems like the DS, 3DS or onward it's clear you're better off playing on the real deal. Rumble, touch screen, motion, wireless connection. Anything more than basic functionality is just a pain to set up on most emulators and is just never worth it.
It is it's not even hard to set up just have a decent running system I bought a gaming laptop and it runs most games
@@aaaaaaa-so8op He does not mean running. He means making use of the features that can't be really replicated with a keyboard and mouse. Like, try playing a Wii game that makes intensive use of motion controls with just those two periferals.
Ds is fine emulated more so on a phone particularly the samsung s series with a spen. 3ds tho is alot more stabile on a real 3ds and probably will be better on a real 3ds for long time. To many audio issues, shaders and crashes.
Calling Miyamoto right now
no pls
Why only Miyamoyo? 😂 Jk
as if he was alive
@@Tricke432_YT bros he’s literally alive what
@@JacobCruise i wonder what he died from..
I've been heavily addicted to puzzle games recently so good luck satisfying that urge without emulation.
i been emulating professor layton
@@JacobCruise there are lots and lots of those types of games on PC although usually the cutscenes aren't nearly as cool. I haven't actually played them I'm just guessing they look like crap.
I'm not into those types of games but I did beat whichever one I owned just because the cutscenes were super cool and I almost wish you could just watch the cutscenes without having to play the damn game.
Ps what I said puzzle game I meant, Tetris, Puyo Puyo, Dr. Mario, Puzzle League, Kirby Star Stacker, Astropop, Bejeweled, Puzzle and Dragons Super Mario edition, Tetris 2 (both NES and SNES), Yoshi, Hatris, Yoshi's Cookie, Mutant Muds, Luminous, Hexic 2, Zuma, Luxor, Stone Loops of Jessica, etc
I'm a bit older than you, but in a similar situation, emulation was literally my childhood and spurred my interest in tech and computers. I have Nes, Snes and Gensis nostalgia despite never having played any of them besides the Nes. Nowdays I spend a boatload on games but emulation made me a passionate gamer for life.
Imagine having a parent actually knows game stuffs and modding.
Meanwhile my parents thinks it's A SIN to play video games lol
LOL sorry bout that
I completely I agree with this video I remember when I first discovered emulation back in my middle school days it was awesome and still is and has come so far
Some emulators did have the rewind function years before the switch, nostalgiaNES on android is one.
Your dad is cool - my dad worked in IT when internet was still in early days where I live, and he teached me and my brothers to pirate both pc games and emulate console games. He probably did it because we couldn't afford games/consoles, but I'm very grateful for it
Yes! Super cool of him to do that.
my dad showed me how to emulate stuff too, cause i wanted to play the GBC Pokemon games. i've never looked back since. i recently homebrewed my 3DS and that's my main emulation device now (except for stuff like GameCube and Wii)
I almost exclusively emulate games I already own, simply because emulators have a ton of advantages over og hardware. Like why boot up the Gamecube in its blurry 480p when with Dolphin I can upscale to HD, install mods, and stream without a capture card?
But of course, older games require a lot of specialized tools to dump, so downloading tends to be a much more viable option than using my own copy.
Emulation is one of the best things to ever happen to us since we can't afford every console that's out there because they're either hard to find or hard to afford. With the power of emulation, we can play any game we want on any platform.
You are right about emulation.😸👍🎶
But you are wrong about price tags.
I got a CIB PSX Digital Video Recorder; a CIB DualShock 2 White Ceramic; a CIB Beatmania IIDX TurnTable ASC; a CIB Beatmania IIDX 7th Style; a CIB Stepup and Down Transformer; a CIB Sanyo Plasma TV; for 45 €.
And I've already found 43 vendors with low price tags (Original Retail Price - 70,80,90%). Many people said "There is no hope. Original Hardware is a Holy Grail.". It's wrong. It's 2024. The year of the Retrogaming Revolution.
One thing not mentioned is the older games being expensive especially GameCube games and most Pokémon games prior to Pokémon X and Y to the point that emulation or (hacking the console) is required to get these games. Also, finding controllers for older consoles, even Xbox 360, is a problem due to an amount of no-name knock-off controllers which aren't as good as the original and often fail to work with some console features such as pressure sensitivity (PS2/PS3), along L/R (GameCube), Sixaxis motions (PS3) and Wii Remote motions (Wii/Wii U).
You are right about emulation.😸👍🎶
But you are wrong about price tags.
I got a CIB PSX Digital Video Recorder; a CIB DualShock 2 White Ceramic; a CIB Beatmania IIDX TurnTable ASC; a CIB Beatmania IIDX 7th Style; a CIB Stepup and Down Transformer; a CIB Sanyo Plasma TV; for 45 €.
And I've already found 43 vendors with low price tags (Original Retail Price - 70,80,90%). Many people said "There is no hope. Original Hardware is a Holy Grail.". It's wrong. It's 2024. The year of the Retrogaming Revolution.
My Rule of Thumb with emulation is "If I can't buy it legally, then I can always get it for free"
Then again. Even if I do own a game legally, I still would prefer to emulate it on my own because the official avenues don't have RetroAchievement support.
I remember my dad getting a bunch of random games from a USB for me on the Wii (Pokepark Wii rocks). Years later I realized “oh shit, my dad emulated games for me” like that was dope (thanks dad)
The weirdest thing about those games was that the New Super Mario Bros.Wii was “modded” or changed the original game by a guy named Tom. So me and my friends played Tom’s New Super Mario Bros together, which was really fun because it gave us so many cheats the original game obviously didn’t have… Man, emulation gives you some good memories
Shout out Tom
Actually those aren't emulation. Simply pirated games. Those were Wii games running on native hardware
emulation is sadly still the best way to play old games
kinda sad but oh well. luckily many dedicated people.
thank you and thank the pepole who made this possible
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What else you gonna do? Have the companies resell the original systems? That just isn't practical
"I guess the SNES was just hard to emulate back then"
Aren't you talking about... what, 2010-13? SNES emulation was perfectly fine.
Didn’t mean to hurt your feelings bro
@@JacobCruise ?
Emulation today couldn't be easier, since many seller sells "x TB HDD with batocera / hyperspin drive will 10,000 plus of games" on Aliexpress which is basically entire library of games from Atari 2600 era towards PS1-N64-Saturn era and countless of modern games from PS2 / Gamecube / Xbox era towards new generation such as PS5.
no need to "Torrenting r0m one by one" like the old days.
Emulation and modded consoles are the best way to play. It puts more control in the hands of the end user instead of the corporation, and also, the original locked-down or "Nintended" experience just isn't as good. Like, I'm fine paying for games, but I want to control the environment it runs in.
BRUH THANK YOU!!! someone else had a similar childhood like me growing up XD Felt like I was the only one. I came from a fam with 4 kids and as cost mounted among us getting a couple broken shovelware esque titles my dad had enough and ended up getting the "real M3" ds flash cart and Itouch one for myself. It's thanks to this I got to play so many awesome DS games growing up as living overseas made it hard to get access to new releases and by the time I was in the states a lot of games weren't on storeshelves! As years have gone on i've given back to these devs of course in ways I can buying any remasters or remakes (like locke's quest on ps4 for example) but it's thanks to that cart and emulation as a whole I became such a hardcore gamer and it's always opened the door to extremely obscure yet awesome titles. Highly recommend the dreamcast library of games as it's pretty much perfect :D some of my personal favs being dynamite cop, super magnetic neo, and the exquisite skies of arcadia!
Thanks for the comment! Glad to be so relatable to you.
8:34 that REALLY depends on your country. Mind you I'm 100% on your side here, but I know people who got in trouble (Had to pay a fine) for illegally downloading software off the internet. Some countries DO prosecute this, so be careful with this advise.
...The fine was much lower than paying for the games tho, so ehhhhhh just wanted to mention it o3o
I did not know that wow. What country was this? I’m pretty sure the USA has never had a prosecution of someone who downloaded roms.
I emulate games for the simple reason I like playing good games and I don't care what nintendo or anyone says. Bring the game to PC or face emulation.
That bit in Booster Tower is just how the game is. It gets everyone. You can jump out; the isometric perspective just makes it look really weird.
I like the honesty. Nowadays many CZcamsrs who make a video about emulation are kinda hypocritical because of the fear of punishment of downloading illegal roms.
Yeah, nobody has ever been prosecuted for just downloading roms. So I might as well keep it real. 💯
dude this video hits a home run for me. Ive been super into emulation since i was a kid. I also figured out how to get pokemone fire red on my ipod touch. very good video. your dad is cool for setting up your wii and stuff
Personally games have gotten too expensive and I feel for the devs but the game companies can eat dirt. Sorry not sorry
The PSP was what got me into emulation as a teen. I hacked it and put PS1 and snes games on it.
Without Homebrew on the Wii. I would have never played games like Sonic 3K and Wii Romhacks
Emulation is what got me into pokemon. My brother is actually the one who showed me what it was, and he isn't even a big gamer. he just saw a video of someone playing fire red on their phone and tried it out himself, and then I thought it was cool and also tried it out. eventually i became a paying customer, buying every new pokemon game.
Without emulation i would not be into games nowdays
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9:12 I'm a fellow prerelease switch game enjoyer. Sent you a discord fr. Feel free to ask me about anything bro. Great vid! And yeah, nintendo hates their fans so I don't feel remorse for pirating their games. Not like they cared about me doing it beforehand.
I remember I was 9 years old and learned how to homebrew my old 3DS and I played a LOT of games, with my DSi XL too but I was obsessed trying to play parappa on my 3DS but it was the first model and you needed a "new" model so..
I love emulation and piracy, some people try to say that piracy is this evil thing, but as someone that grow up in a poor country, I could see how beneficial that is, if piracy, emulation and hacks wasn't a thing, no one here in Brazil would ever had the opportunity to play Playstation 1 and 2, or Nintendo games, since those companies didn't sale anything in here in the past.
Also, piracy usually leads to official purchase, so in a way, if it wasn't for piracy or emulation, a lot of those companies probably wouldn't even have a merket in more poor countrys today.
Anyway, emulation is great, and piracy does more good than harm to the industry.
emulation itself isnt illegal its the piracy of game roms that is personally i dont care about legal or illegal i do what i want and id suggest all of you to as well
But there is another side to emulation - when you give a kid a cartridge with like 1000 games, what often happens is they spend 15 minutes in each but never get anything out of any. Ive seen it happen to many people and have experienced it myself. But when I had my 3DS, for which I would get a big game only once in 3 months, I got all the juice I could out of those games, or any other games I could get in between, like VC games.
That’s actually great insight. Never thought about it that way.
Retro, vintage, modern? You want it? It's yours, my friend, as long as you go see Vimm.
LOL
From context clues, you sound quite a bit younger than me, but I had a lot of similar experiences! Emulators aren't new, but they have come a long way. We had (choppy af) SNES emulators on our Windows 98 PC. The wii was an awesome homebrew machine, but the OG for me was the OG Xbox. We had pretty much the entire library of Atari, NES, SNES, and Genesis on our Xbox. Later, I got into soft modding xboxes myself. I think I still have the tools lying around, and def have the ISO that has all the roms. I may have an old modded xbox or two lying around still.
I also have an R4 for my DSI, soft modded WiiU, and soft-modded switch.
That’s awesome! I’m 19 so yeah I’m young, but it’s great that we share experiences regardless.
Dude I still have my Mech Assault disc with the save game vulnerability that I bought when I was a teenager. My OG Xbox still runs great and I recently stuck a 1 TB SSD in there. The OG Xbox is powerful enough to emulate an N64 or PS1, albeit with bad framerates and the OG Xbox library is still great. Some modders recently found a way to recreate OG Xbox Live with the Insignia project, though sadly Halo 2 isn't working yet.
The 3ds modded has such a giga huge library it can last a lifetime I recommend it, it only takes 15 minutes to mod and can be done with a phone
Emulation is absolutely essential, especially for the future.
I started emulation in 2016. And somehow. I managed to get away with getting viruses from rom sites. Which I still do. However, in the later years. one franchise that got me interested in collecting an actual copy with just one game was gran turismo 2. Now I have almost every gran turismo in my collection. Only missing 7 GTHD (PS3 demo) and GT2000. Two being to observe why I would not get them in my collection due to budget reason along with regional reason's. At the same time in 2016. I wanted to replay sonic heroes after not being able to play it thanks to the fact that 1. My xbox 360 hdd was not big enough in size meaning it was missing the xbox back compat. Which these days I'm better of playing my og xbox games in an emulator or my modded og xbox. 2. I had nothing else to play the game on. I tried an early ps2 emulator and dolphin on my phone. And of course got no where. That was until late 2017 when I got my first gaming pc. And the first thing I did was install dolphin just to play sonic heroes once again. Without emulation. We would lose the icon's that made gaming what it is today. With less ways to play old system's. And company's making poor efforts or non to preserve old and lost game's. We need emulation now more then ever. And company's like Nintendo need to start opening there eye's. And see the damage thats being caused by not taking proper action. Reather they are stuck in the past. And looking at it as if its hugely damaging the company. When it really isn't. Emulation is not just about piracy. But also... its about preservation and the things we love. Company's like nintendo may have their right to their games. But when some end up going unloved by the corporation itself. We have our right to save it as much as possible.
Bro... You legit have the coolest parents that I've ever heard of. The story about your dad giving you the Wii roms hard drive makes him seem like such a G. Lol
he is definitely a G 😁
ive gotten rather fed up with nintendo, meaning that i pirate everything they make, even the new stuff
My cousin introduced my to emulation since I was 5 and I haven't turned back since. It's really great to see other people grow up the same way. Great video :)
thanks :)
He had a DS at 4 years old? The Game boy advanced wasn't even out when I was 4 holy crap.
im 19 :)
@@JacobCruise that happens to me sometimes with someone says stuff or asks a certainly where they could be around my age and then they're like nope I'm way younger and I'm like holy crap.
One of my favorite games that I play a lot that has huge replay value is yugioh especially the 5ds world championship for ds 2009-2011
Hey! I see a lot of disgruntled "wrong terms" comments, jyst wanna say for a "heres why i did this it was cool" video, nobody expects all the terms to be applied correctly all the time.
I know piracy != emulation, but for 99% of people, they wont be dumping their games, and the experience related specifically to piracy is broadly relatable.
No human I know will buy a copy of enduro for atari 2600 and the hardware to dump it, just to play a game older than the average viewer.
If I had one gripe, i'd say change the term to "morally justifiable piracy". Avoids the whole issue around "emulation is/isnt this", while being clear that you aren't letting small indie devs starve to save 5 bucks you could easily spend.
JSAB (an indie game) has a great take on piracy, where the devs go "we pirated because it was the only way to enjoy games, we get it, but buy a copy later if you can".
And thats prople that 100% need the profit more than nintendo.
yes thank you !🙏🏽
“Emulation”
Proceeds to talk about pirating.
Stay mad
7:14
Yes they do; the first time I used it was on an NES emulator for the DS (NesDS); the L button was a rewind button while the R button was a fast forward button.
Wait, you actually got a letter regarding torrenting? I've never seen that happen at least in my country (Spain) except for owners of major rom websites or things like that
In USA, the internet company’s are a little more strict. The letters don’t really mean anything though
The first time I got into emulation was when I heard of Super Mario World rom hacks. I thought they were so neat and I wanted to try it but I didn’t know how to do it(I was not tech savvy at all and didn’t know how to open snes9x)then I got a modded Wii for Christmas and it was amazing. I had a bunch of GameCube games so I figured I try those games on a pc emulator. This time I knew how to do it so I finally started emulating, modding consoles,etc. I’m very happy I got that Wii because I wouldn’t be the nerd I am today.
I was able to get totk early and I played it on my modded switch in the back of econ class
6:40
hell yeah I love these features (fast forward, save & load state) (btw pokemon colosseum and xd are my favorite pokemon but It doesn't let player skip battle animation so fast forward is very useful).
also I love doing randomizer. randomizer makes me enjoy same game again and again. recently I tried wii mod and 3ds mod. it was easy af and It was a great experience!
Nintendo DS and R4 was always a great combination.
Today modding a 3DS is now pretty easy and a great way to keep enjoying it's library,since Nintendo clearly won't let us to...
fact: the tears of the kingdom and mario wonder was both leaked and i uploaded gameplay of them but nintendo dmcaed the videos in a few hours :/
W dad + basically my childhood where nintendo doesnt exist in INDIA and I literally emualted nes , snes , n64 , gc ,wii lol ... my father only bought nes and 3ds for me by importing rest I enjoyed in PC and android .... tech savy thing is necessary lmao
I wish the switch had an r4 card alternative. Don’t want to go through the hassle of taking the switch apart to mod it
Yeah, accidentally bricking your switch would be terrible too.
@@JacobCruisetrue. I don’t even want it JUST to pirate. I want to be able to emulate games that aren’t on switch online. Like the switch has joycons that would be perfect for the wii. Or imagine beat saber or something with them. I also want to be able to watch Netflix or something, because the only streaming apps in the uk for switch are: CZcams, crunchyroll and Pokémon tv.
Picture this: playing Nesticle in DOS. those were the days. Also, if anyone can remember dial up internet taking 10ish min just to download a SNES game.
I emulate and pirate Nintendo games because I'm poor and spiteful.
so real for that
And its sure a nice experience to play super mario 64 in school
For Nintendo, everything below 3ds and Wii U (not including those 2) should be allowed to emulate. 3ds
and Wii U is fair to be not allowed until they are 3rd gen. For Xbox, Xbox 360 as it could run on the Xbox one but not all games are supported and original Xbox. Xbox one should not be allowed to be emulated. For Playstation, ps3 and bellow seems fair. For Sega, every retro one should be emulated. Retro pc, everything that isn’t available to be played on windows 7, 10 and 11.
every time i emulate games i never even use savestates or rewind i only use fast forward
fast forward is the best
@@JacobCruise you might aswell play space invaders extreme 1 and 2 the best games for the ds
and yes fast forward is the best shit ever
Dude, wtf I thought you'd have like 100k subs this is extremely well done, I enjoyed the video. I also got into gaming by emulating, more specifically pokemon. I played out pokemon emerald and various other romhacks on my samsung phone around 2013 and it was awesome.
Thanks for the video for curing my boredom for a bit 🙂
keep it up!
thanks :)
With there being no remasters or ports of Golden Sun and the Legend of Spyro games available for purchase, I don’t really see the harm in emulating those.
Great video! I have also been considering modding my 3DS but I have no prior experience modding is it easy to learn?
Yep super easy. If you follow one of the top tutorials, you’ll be able to do it with no problem.
how did you keep loosing your saves i never had that problem with emulation
many emulators do have a rewind, look through the settings and documentation. SNES emulators did that stuff 20 years before NSO did.
im an emulation noob tbh. I just really liked playing old games.
Some modern versions of emulators allow you to save in game just like on the retail versions like PCSX2 and for old games I think BSNES can do that via making an SRM file per Rom iirc.
When scrolling down I was expecting to see like 200k subscribers, but I am now surprised on how well this video is put together for a fairly small channel, keep it up!
thanks !
I used to have a PSP but I never really played any PSP games on it that often. So when I was 12, I found a tutorial online that showed how to install a GBA emulator on my PSP and holy shit it was the greatest experience ever once I got that working
Bros detailing his criminal history
LOL
This was the exact way I was introduced to emulation as a child as well. I remember we didn't have any money as a kid to buy games, so when my father bought us a Wii he also made sure to go to the mall and paid a dude to hack it for us. He hacked around 100-200 games, some of the best Wii games also by the way. We had every new wii games you could think of, games that costed $60 in the store we just had for free, with my dad paying the guy like 40-50 dollars to hack it. I also recall the Wii having hacked gamecube games too, and that was when I realized that ROMs were a thing.
From then on I went on to emulate tons of different games, from the N64 era, the PS1 era, even the PS2 era when I got a PC powerful enough to play them. I've played so many games that I otherwise wouldn't have ever played, and honestly with emulation who are you actually hurting? These companies haven't released many of their games on modern consoles, and the games aren't in circulation either. Are you really stealing? When the company makes 0 profit or losses off of you emulating ROMs? Buying the game "legally" is also not an alternative, as scalpers take advantage of how hard the game is to obtain and price them to the roof just because they want to. That's why games like Persona 3 FES / Persona 1 - 2 are all priced at 200-300 dollars, and why soul hackers a game that isn't obtainable in any capacity in 2023 is priced so high.
What would you rather do? Pad some stupid scalpers pockets who only cares about profit and exploiting people's desire to get old games to play who doesn't even care about video games? Or just grab a rom and emulate it? Emulation is actually a positive for many game companies, games which are out of circulation don't make you profit, the more people emulate the more people play your older games. And the more people who play your older games, they may be open to trying out some of the new games, and vice versa.
You are right about emulation.😸👍🎶
But you are wrong about price tags.
I got a CIB PSX Digital Video Recorder; a CIB DualShock 2 White Ceramic; a CIB Beatmania IIDX TurnTable ASC; a CIB Beatmania IIDX 7th Style; a CIB Stepup and Down Transformer; a CIB Sanyo Plasma TV; for 45 €.
And I've already found 43 vendors with low price tags (Original Retail Price - 70,80,90%). Many people said "There is no hope. Original Hardware is a Holy Grail.". It's wrong. It's 2024. The year of the Retrogaming Revolution.
the reason why some of the saves got lost is because some older nintendo games had drm where the saves would just randomly delete
damnnn
0:21 Anyone that is downloading ROMs off the internet needs to know you cant do that without a VPN running. And don't use a free VPN. Pay for it. The paid ones are more reliable for privacy.
I can only imagine how much an 70's - 00's kids mind would be blown just having a hacked console handed to them with infinite games. Immensely jealous of your childhood.
This is a brave video, Jacob, and I applaud you for simply speaking the truth to your experiences. :)
Appreciate it.
i originally read this as "Why You Should Eliminate Games" and I was like WHAT. My bad. Good video! You have my subscription!
Lol thank you for watching !
i think im the only person here who has 2,000 roms on my hard drive
thats actually pretty impressive LOL
I no longer have my older physical games/systems, so emulation is the way to go for me.
While emulation is great, something I have noticed personally is that at least for newer consoles like the Wii, 3DS and Switch, whenever I pirate or emulate a game I lose interest pretty quick. When I buy and play them legally, on the other hand, I tend to stay interested.
Except for Kirby Star Allies. Played through one level, but my experience was really negative because I was sick as fuck, so I lost all interest. I'll get to it eventually.
Yeah, that's natural. If you buy something, you're committed to wanting to get your money's worth out of a game.
If you don't, then you have nothing to lose and there's no motivation to play it (outside of possibly your friend recommending it, then sure).
I love emulation. I'm mostly more PC Emulation. I love it due to the Rom hacks. I never knew that Luigi mansion rom hacks are pretty advanced. And pikmin 2 rom hacks i love also. I Also like Handheld emulators but there are soo much companies that have roms already pre installed on there with a lot of trashy cheap 20 handhelds that gives me a bad taste in my mouth. I usually recommend Retroid pocket due to a good quality product with no pre installed games on there and you have to get your own. I know there are other better options but for me i think Retroid pocket is the best place for me.
Piracy is the best policy against anticonsumerism.
I may have played a certain mario game that released last month a little early so you got full support from me... ;)