Nationalism is bigger than pan-Islamism. Gaza exposes the myth of the Ummah
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Ever since Hamas’s attack, Israel has been on a spree of retaliation, collective punishment and mass revenge. The Muslim world hasn’t been able to persuade the Jewish state to protect civilians in Gaza, let alone implement the 'two state solution' in the levant region.
In this episode of National Interest, Shekhar Gupta explains the faultlines in the Muslim world.
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Rich Muslim countries think practically, it's the poorer muslims who romanticise the idea of Ummah, just to feel important.
converts as well
So true 😢
Recently converted Islamic nations in history are more interested in following Sharia,, while the original Islamic nation is reforming and getting more progressive.
Including Hamas supporters in india
So it's time now for these 'rich practical thinking' countries to change the narrative. They should convince and help the poorer Muslims to give up this utopian idea and work for peace.
1 million afghanis have been driven out of Pakistan. Where is there muslim empathy now
Only Muslim can decide who can tore their anus
Pakistan has been showing them empathy since 1979. 50~ years of housing them, providing them with a home, sharing national resources. Their war is over. Now they can return to their homeland, and those who wish to stay can apply for the proper documentation to do so (which many have). Remember Pakistan took in 4million+ refugees during the Soviet Afghan and American-Afghan wars. 600,000 alone entered Pakistan since 2021. 1.7 million approximately are being expelled, that's about a third of the original figure. The rest have responsibly made Pakistan their home and they are most welcome in the country. Afghans are our brothers and the vast majority of Afghans in the country are proud citizens and residents of Pakistan, and they choose to, and are allowed to stay. That being said, of course Pakistan does act responsibly, and does make errors regarding its Afghan residents and citizens. I respectfully ask you to refrain from spreading misinformation and hatred for Pakistan as well as other countries. I think by your name you are Brazilian or from another lusophone area, I do love lusophone peoples, sending my respect.
@@MohammadMohsinAwais it's pakistan which funded terrorists with help of USA
Radicalised youth
Ummah is theory
What pakis are doing is real practice
"Even among the governments of Muslim-majority nations, those who have uttered words of condemnation of Hamas can be counted on the fingers of one hand". Well said. This is a pattern and everyone can see the hypocrisy.
India is one of the dirtiest=, filthiest countries in the world. These Indians are more concerned with other peoples problems then cleaning their dirty street. Clean the Ganges you filthy people.
One thing to learn from this, is that India needs to get so powerful that other countries dare not interfere or attack.. The only thing stopping Iran, Lebanon (Hezbo) and others from jumping into the war, is the fear of retribution Israel may do to them.
But if the goal of the Hamas attack was to sabotage the Abrahamic accord, then it has achieved it atleast for next couple of years. But hopefully once this war ends,, it will lead to a greater good of creating a two state solution with a Palestine state, and the middle east can move forward.
They aren’t scared of Israel, they are scared of America.
Palestine will turn out to become Pakistan part 2. Their intent is to wipe out all other religions.
It's upto the Muslim countries involved in these accords to take them forward right now, to negate the Hamas and change the narrative about hate for Islam that is now permeating in the entire world
two state solution can never be achieved look at pakistan
Two state solution only works if both sides are pro development.
Because Israel is Einstein mind other side is Zakir naiks 😂
Einstein refused to go settle down in Israel
@@manjulashanmugasundaram706 there was no Israel at his time
@@manjulashanmugasundaram706wrong fact
@@dbshaggy Einstein lived till 1955
@@dbshaggy Following the death of Israel’s first president, Chaim Weizmann, in 1952, the Israeli government, headed by Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion, offered the presidency to Einstein. Israeli presidents perform mostly ceremonial duties, so the role constitutes more of an honor than a position of power.
No Israel is not attacking Muslims, I have never heard any Jew saying this while the reverse is sadly true.
Nonsense. See what they say about Arabs. Issue is Arabs are not United.
Read the history of Israel. Do your home work rather than just say something with out knowing the facts..!!!
Looks like you guys been absent from this world for last 75 years..what Israel been doing to Palestinians.do you homework guys
@nazirahmed7540 who was president of Palestine then???
@@MuhammadMalcom Ottomans won that from the Mamulaks of Egypt, and Britts won it from the ottomans after 400 years then what Britts did with it was part of spoils of war..
Rich islamic countries like Saudi and UAE know that oil based economy won't last for very long and developing mainstream industries is important.
However, poor countries like pakistan, iran, Syria etc focus on "muslim ummah", not because they actually believe in it but because in the name of religion, their aim is to convince rich islamic nations to provide financial support....and political support when needed on international platforms.
They all think alike. Osama, 9/11 hijackers all came from rich country like Saudi Arabia. Baghdadi was also rich. They follow the same book. You can see now Iran (Shias) leaders visiting Saudi Arabia (Sunnis) when the matter is of non-muslims.
Unfortunately even Indian Muslim's did not condemn the Hamas attack except for tokanism
Condemn,😂they full support it
Indian Muslim have nothing to do with Palestine.
The way Indian Muslims are supporting Palestine because they are also Muslims then don't get surprised if one day Bharat attacks pakistan and these Muslims will support pakistan because they are also Muslims.@@PrinceSinghadkala-df9ih
your expectation is wrong.
Neither do you on what israel is doing. Hypocrite!
Mr Gupta, could you please enlighten us: How Israel should have responded? What would have been in ideal response?
They have different names like hamas, hizbollah, PLO, civilians, women, children etc. They happily kill or become happy due to killing. This nature is repeatedly exposed
Satyagraha!
Just take a step back and see the big picture. Israel did its best to suppress the PLO, the traditional, moderate representative of Palestinians who are acceptable to the wider world. They did everything within their power to support the growth of the extremist Hamas. Now that Hamas has done what one expects it to, Israel can bury the two state solution for ever... So, who is to blame?
How about giving Palestinians the right of self rule? Not treating them like lesser humans? Giving them permission to own land IN THEIR OWN LAND? Not shooting civilians down just for taking a wrong turn? Not having military checkpoints every few kms? Not having cameras pointed inside their homes? Not controlling their natural resources, their healthcare access, their aid, water, food, electricity?
If Palestinians were not living in such abject poverty, there wouldn't have been an Oct7 in the first place.
@@saimahaider685 BS! Palestinians were getting benefits from Israel such as jobs, electricity, water, etc. It's in the interest of Israelis! However, kuttei ki pucch tedhe toh tedhe!
Exactly sir. There can’t be any better reasoning for the crises among the Muslim world. Salutes and hats off, sir.
For muslims only islam matter ,no matter in which country they live .You can check the data from pew research .Their loyality will always with islam and to implement shariya in non muslim country .Dr Babasaheb also wrote this but our so calles indian liberals never talk about this including u cha cha .Indian seculars never debate on this topic that despite partition of india by muslims ,why we allowed muslims to live in our country ? Why peoper population exchange didnt happen ? Look at the conditions of Pakistani hindus and sikhs .Pakistan has able to persecuted hindus in Pakistan and made islamic country but india failed to make hindu country . Temporarily u can just stop muslims but as their number grow "RUMBLING " will start and only "Eren " has solutions for them .I am worried about India
Particular strain that conflates everything with their pre-existing biases 😂
Very true
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You cannot make India as a Hindhu nation unless you change indian constitution written by BR Ambedkar
You need to learn and understand Islam,before you make comments about Muslims…like wise if anybody wants to make comments about Hinduism they need to understand the religion first..little knowledge on religions causes friction which breeds hate, hate leads to wars,wars destroys nations..so we all need to be respectful to one another,for the sake of humanity.
Rightly said Sir, nothing above National Interest, rest all is fugazi and empty rhetoric.
I would narrow it to self interest! Saudi Family has always been western ally and this helped them against different waves of Musim Brotherhood and Arab Uprising.
King of Jordan as well as Egyptian ruling party is working according to self interest not always in line with National Interest.
For muslims only islam matter ,no matter in which country they live .You can check the data from pew research .Their loyality will always with islam and to implement shariya in non muslim country .Dr Babasaheb also wrote this but our so calles indian liberals never talk about this including u cha cha .Indian seculars never debate on this topic that despite partition of india by muslims ,why we allowed muslims to live in our country ? Why peoper population exchange didnt happen ? Look at the conditions of Pakistani hindus and sikhs .Pakistan has able to persecuted hindus in Pakistan and made islamic country but india failed to make hindu country . Temporarily u can just stop muslims but as their number grow "RUMBLING " will start and only "Eren " has solutions for them .I am worried about India
India is one of the dirtiest=, filthiest countries in the world. These Indians are more concerned with other peoples problems then cleaning their dirty street. Clean the Ganges you filthy people.
@@sanjaychauhan1116it's a no go zone for librandus they will never open their mouth
@@sanjaychauhan1116 gobarhead sanghi spotted
No muslim will ever admit or acknowledge about this fantasy. In India we call it 'ummah ki chummah'.
True, Nationalism is the right way. Israel has offered India 1 lakh job visas. In the combined fight of US & Israel against Hamas there are reports that UAE has sent arms to Israel, India could be asked to supply arms
Just try to realise that the things are not simple. Hitler could not finish the Jews. It is not going to be over. Will the one lakh Indians go there for slaughter?
India is one of the dirtiest=, filthiest countries in the world. These Indians are more concerned with other peoples problems then cleaning their dirty street. Clean the Ganges you filthy people.
Nationalism can very fast become toxic and deadly.
Too much info from godi media and WhatsApp University
@@salvakhanali8739UAE is one of the few muslims nations to condemn hamas action and they've normalised ties with isreal.
One point about failure of Ummah that @shekhargupta missed was the fact that the refugees from wars within Islamic countries were never welcomed in their countries by the Ummah. Invariably supported by Christian countries out of empathy. Don't you think? @theprint?
Can't understand why the media does not start the program by asking the question 'Why has Hamas held 223 Israelites hostages till now'.
How does one retaliate against a force that hides among civilians without inflicting any collateral damage? By the way, Israel did agree on a daily humanitarian pause. Also, as a reminder which this piece forgot to point out - Hamas is yet to release the hostages it took on Oct 7th. Finally, great point on the Saudi Yemen & other conflicts.
Yes Mahatma Shekhar Gupta jee is new leftist and democrats full of human rights and love for terrorists!! If he converts to Islam - He will get Noble peace prize!
They only agreed to a pause because they running out of weapons even the US said their stock is depleted. There is no humanity sense in Netanyahu.
India is one of the dirtiest=, filthiest countries in the world. These Indians are more concerned with other peoples problems then cleaning their dirty street. Clean the Ganges you filthy people.
Thank you for watching and writing in, my friend. I hope you found the episode insightful...best wishes, Shekhar
@@blacksnow129 USA or Israel runs out of weapons in half a month of war, that too for an area smaller than half of Noida!! Mr black snow plsapply some basic logic to ideas before using them🙏
Your leftist roots have emerged out.
One sided analysis & do you expect Netanyahu to be Manmohan Singh?
This episode is the reason why I can’t get away from the Print. Wonderful Shekarji!!!
Actually on the contrary , this episode is the reason you should run away from print. Couptaji is talking the language of hamas. Not one word against them.
False Statistics, Muslim Nations Only account for 8% of Global GDP in Nominal Terms which is Standard for the entire World, I was literally Shocked when Mr Gupta said Muslim nations account for 23% of Global GDP🤣🤣🤣🤣
Yes...no muslim country has a trillion dollar economy...
Further remove the Saudi Arabia, UAE, Turkey and Iran...rest of the muslim countries are poor despite oil money due to constant wars among them...qatar , bahrin and Kuwait are City states...so don't have much gdp...
Saharan Muslim countries are durt poor...
If they produce 23% Of GDP, why are they poor and destructive? Intolerance of other Religions and Religious fanaticism??
This is coupta ji.
@@chandankumarchand6686Indonesia and Malaysia are upper middle income countries and Indonesia is a regional manufacturing powerhouse .
Bangladesh is coming up fast and developing .
@@bobfaam5215yeah remove Indonesia, Malaysia and some oil rich countries then all muslims countries are average income or low income countries.
The basic and simple explanation...
There is no nationalism... it's not because of nationalism...
Those countries doesn't have democracy... they have autocracy because the way they think and that makes them leader centric rather than leader who work for people.
Obviously because of that the leader think about himself and his things rather than other things...
If they keep democracy which is not possible it might change things but the way of thinking doesn't make them do that properly (they might have show of democracy like pakistan)
Which make them leaderist countries (if i may call it like that) which work for the leader by the leader with leaders vision and interest.
Another thing is israel shown how powerful it is than middle east other countries... Which actually make leaders think twice if they want to start war to be the masiha of middle east... as they know who will win or create problem for them. And USA also supports israel so there is no option of winning for middle east.
But for middle east... fight is common. If not others they fought in themselves and kill much more people. That just doesn't make world news as it is not between 2 religion and the people might not talk because both sides are their. So fight is the reality of the middle east countries but they can't fight the powerful nation like israel. So they choose right one to fight as their leader decide. (Mostly with which they can fight and win)
Part of this is just inherited by ottoman non spoken policy: each province could have all the infighting for power as long as they payed taxes to the ottoman central power and didn't turn against ottoman central power. Ottomans also provoked internal fighting exactly to not allow them to turn v ottomans, something that eventually happened (arab revolt). Political culture helps to contextualize.
Add to this, all the bad political philosophies spead during 20th century and the stupid cold war (soviets v usa) and voilá: u have a power keg exploding here and there and a bit everywhere.
Shekharji I earnestly need to convey my respect for this daring and very fair as well as awesome piece of journalism, in my nearly inconsequential opinion. The world needs more of such reportage, which is "responsibly critical" instead of being irresponsibly sensational, overly passionate and painting a jaundiced view more often than it may be required. Kudos to you and you team, thank you.
Dear Mr Anand,
Thank you for your generous contribution towards ThePrint's journalism.
India is one of the dirtiest=, filthiest countries in the world. These Indians are more concerned with other peoples problems then cleaning their dirty street. Clean the Ganges you filthy people.
Thank you for the kind words, Annand ji, and for supporting our journalism. Do keep watching and writing in...best wishes, Shekhar
Likes of Shekar still can't utter the word for what it is which is Islamic jihad which is fundamental to the religion
@@krishna_o15 I suppose you are not the target audience of the "likes of Shekhar." Communication is done in many different ways, to address different sensibilities & mindsets.
Why we indian care so much about others some say i stand with isreal or Palestine but i dont see any one in my country stand for kukis or meitei but showing cares for others why?
When Hamas uses civilians as human human shield, what do u expect from Isreal.
All the Palestinians people staying in the west and not wanting to broker peace with Israel should be asked to exchange places with Gaza residents.Not even one will go to Gaza and Gaza would be empty as all its residents would prefer to migrate rather than be part of this endless conflict.Any Muslim nation like iran supporting the war should be asked to give land within its border to Palestine else keep sway
Sir,
I have full empathy for innocent people killed anywhere in the world but is it not true that Gaza people are supporting the Hamas and celebrated the attack on Israel on 7th October?
2. If there is any ceasefire then Hamas will regroup and attack Israel again, therefore, it is suicidal for Israel to stop the war till Hamas is not finished.
3. Yes, two state solution is the best option but after this kind of attack on Israel it is very very difficult.
4. What Muslim countries are doing is that they are protecting their self interest instead of uniting on religious ground.
1000 + Israel inhabitants killed , percentage from 6 million Jews .
10thousand Gazan died from 3:2 million gaza inhabitants
The most killing proportion is in Israel as they have smaller population
There is an American quote
"Carry a gun so big that nobody dares to pick up a fight with you"
What has gone missing from this explanation is, for almost all the conflicts, the root cause is US’s Middle East policy that includes toppling the democratic and progressive governments and providing military supports to hard line islamic militias, dictators for their own interests.
Democracy is nearly zero in middle east. Except turkey and egypt.
Baath party "revolutions" is soviet made not usa 😂
Usa helps to protect jordanian monarchy cause all the other surrounding monarchies were topled by SOCIALISTS.
What “democratic and progressive” governments has America toppled in the middle east?
@@TheLocalLtUSA has mixed policy, in Syria it funded radical groups to tople moderate basher al azad government while in case of pakistan, USA still think of using pakistan as a form of weapon to destabilize india,
In Afghanistan USA nortured radical groups now for their own interest it is considering them as terrorist,
How come USA is so chameleon and why it is not condeming all forms of terrorists.
चाचा दुःखी है।
Unke paas chachi nahi hai
Disagree with SG equating Israeli state response with one of the most barbaric act of terrorism since the new world order. If Israel was actually doing collective punishment against Gazans, their death toll would have been well over 100k and into millions by now. The current numbers from Hamas controlled Health ministry itself is around 10k which also includes Hamas terrorists and associates. Israel has no option but to have total and absolute security control over Gaza either by themselves or a non-extremist Arab coalition headed by UAE, Bahrain and Saudi under MBS.
For the first time, Mr Gupta seems to have been found out the root cause of the issues. When it comes to India, his opinion may be different.
With due respect sir , Hamas did terrorist strike on 7 th October in Israel.
The nations will soon invite one another to devour you, just as diners are invited to a dish.” It was said, “Will it be because of our small number on that day?” He said, “No, rather you will be many on that day, but you will be weightless foam, like the foam on the river. And Allah will remove the fear of you from the hearts of your enemies and will cast weakness into your hearts.” Someone said, “O Messenger of Allah, what will this weakness be?” He said, “The love of this world, and the hatred of death.”Al-Bukhārī, Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī, 5:9, no. 3675.
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We are in those times
@@whateveausaid dnt knw may be worse will come
There is no country that goes to war for the sake other countries. Mr. Shekhar Gupta makes it sound that this is a war between Islam and Jewish religion. It is a fight between two countries where the state of Israel (which was illegally created by the western powers) and the people whose country it was, the Palestinians are pitted against each other. Other
countries may give financial and moral support but no one will put its own nationals in the line of fire. Not even America will do it this time. They have burnt their fingers in Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan, already.
Today if war breaks out between two Christian countries over illegal occupation of one by the other, do you think the war will turn global along Catholic/Protestant lines? Mr. Shekhar Gupta you need to take a fresh look at what you are saying. Please do not confuse the issue and divert attention from the root cause of this war.
Under that logic, palestine was legally created by the arab league 😂.
Remember, ur logic not mine.
Root cause is Islamic radicalism and barbarity
Ok but where will the jews go ?
@@rishavkumar1250 that isn't even a question cause the narrative that the root cause is "ocupation" is already a false permisse. By asking it ur already legitimizing a false narrative. And the question on the other side is as stupid: where will the palest go?
Palest will answer that jews should "go back" to europe
Israelis will answer palest should "go back" to arabia or egipt.
And both narratives have flaws and both permisses are erroneous.
If u took a dna test u would see that both people have a somewhat same origin (cananites) with different admixture and that both are natives and non natives (at the same time) to that general territory.
Conclusion, the narratives are lies - both sides.
You bring so much optimism. I almost believe that Samuel Huntington was wrong. I really hope you're right. I do hope Nationalism and ideology are stronger sentiments than religious identity or ethnicity. For the sake of future.
Clash of civilizations is very much real and currently islamo-leftists are leading. The white guilt and Muslim victimhood is a deadly combination.
@@agnimitram340 the clash has now turned the opinion in favour of right just like it did in india . The islamoleft alliance will face huge repercussions after this .
@@nobody4u77 Hamas is right wing. PLO is left wing
@@manjulashanmugasundaram706 it is called inter sectionality. When two groups make an alliance with different values but for political power and goals.
@@nobody4u77 In that case, Islamo Right is winning. Because Saudi and UAE are in that alliance.
After a long time, an insightful video from Shekhar
True, so many civilians killed in the Gaza fight. If Hamas truly loves the Gazans by releasing the hostages? And the marches happening throughout out the western world, there is only one chant: ceasefire. There is no appeal to Hamas to release hostages unconditionally.
Muslims worldview
1. Muslim vs Muslim = no issue
2. Muslim(upper hand) vs non-Muslim = no issue
3. Muslim vs non-Muslim(upper hand) = biggest humanitarian crisis world has seen.
Religion must be a way of life and not a political tool,it must be decided and chosen by individuals and not inherited or imposed to them from infancy,its high time for higher authorities to “ re evaluate and regulate” all religions to avoid abuses done by clerics.
Islam is not (just) a way of life…it is a political ideology. People in west do not know this…So if you think Islam is on the same lines a Christianity with a different Prophet, then best of luck…Soon your country will be overrun by Islamists.
Tell that to Muslims.
Dear Shekhar Gupta, your episode is very beautiful and brilliant. One of the best episodes I have ever seen. Thanks.
Problem is not Arab. Ppl who converted are problem .
Excellent presentation .......you failed to mention that the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan killed more than one million Afghans in ten years ...
Between muslims to muslim, Umma will not work
Hamas is not just a terrorist group. It's the ruling government of Gaza. Not sure why this fact get's deliberately omitted.
Hamas was created and supported by Israel in opposition to the PLO. They were voted to power in 2007 for their benign policies but they changed stance real quick. And there have been no elections since. So no, they are not the elected govt of the Palestinians. They are just another forced regime.
ISIS used to be ruling government of syria
Last election was held in 2006😢
Lol.. Here Shekhar is provoking the Muslims that you are 200 times more than the Jews, yet you could not destroy them, what is the use of so much money? When will you improve shekhar.. come on leave this pro Muslim nature and become a real journalist. 😂
Thanks always. Better to have a section (either at start or at end) that gives summary. Also editing needs more focus. Just stay on topic and tell us crisply how Gaza exposes the myth of the Ummah. Thx!
Both Arabs and Jews have a right to exist,to live ,if not together,then side by side in 2 different states.
Free Palestine ( from river to sea)is a very dangerous slogan which means only Palestinians and Zero Jews.This is unacceptable because everybody has a right to live.
Pakistan denied a right of Hindus to live in Pakistan,so it is in decline.
India and Bangladesh have given right to live and exist to both Hindus and Muslims and are therefore prospering.
Pakistan should learn at least from Bangladesh that being moderate is a key to success, religious extremism, blasphemy mob lynching will make Pakistan the black hole of the world.
SG I humbly have to say that you are wrong here (I am referring to the stand you have taken at the start of the video)!!!
While you may have your own opinion, I don't think Israel's response is disproportionate. They are fighting for their survival. Had we seen something of the same magnitude from Pakistan, we would have wanted and probably done the same.
Its the people of Gaza and west bank that have failed themselves. Drowning themselves in religious madness and then crying victims when they face consequences for their actions.
No one in Caza or in west bank actively opposes Hamas or Radical organisations. From where did Hamas got its fighters after 2005? Its from the population of Gaza. The parents of Youth failed to educate their children and failed to guide them.
The collective society of Gaza is as responsible as Hamas and complicit in this. If nothing is done about this, then acts like 07th October, 9/11 and 26/11 will be repeated again. They whole root behind this is the religious radicalization that and not just Hamas or Hezbollah.
And you know very well the politics behind it that is some countries supporting these organisations to further their own agenda.
lol what are you even smoking? are you like ignoring the fact that Israel displaced close to a million people in 1948 to setup a state because it said so in their holy book - and it's the Palestinians you blame for being consumed by religion? I'd like to know what you would do if someone were to throw you out of your house, then cut off your access to food, water, and electricity, and randomly kill your people. Such absolute trash here in the comments, I'm just appalled!
How shameless must you be to forget about the Israeli Settlements in West Bank ?
@@rishavkumar1250 I am amazed at the level of dumbness that you have... Jews live have lived in the Cities all across Levant since times immemorial... After Advent of Islam, and conquest of this region by Caliphate, Arabs started living in these Cities...
And the way you are saying it, you probably mean Jews and Muslims in that area can't live together... This is what Hamas and other radicals in West bank say. Hence you have intervention by Israel which is a Jewish state and protects all Jews.
There are numerous Muslims living in Israel. Go to Acre, it's a Muslim majority (or very large no of muslims live there if not a majority) area in Israel they have all the rights, have flourishing businesses, Situation there is probably only marginally more polarised than what we have in India.
You have actually said what Radicals in Gaza & west bank say all along, That Muslims and jews can't live together.
And in case you're wondering why is heavy security between Jewish settlements and rest of areas, because if West Bank and Gaza give up their arms, there will be a fully independent Palestinian state. If Israelis give up their arms, there will be another Holocaust.
And No matter what, the act of terrorism cannot be justified for any reason.
Respect Shekhar, for calling out that both Israel and Hamas actions are hateful war crimes.
Jews are so small in number, yet so strong and benevolent. They are not dictated by hate. I have great admiration for them. They are such a resilient lot, that they do not project themselves as victims, despite having faced the brunt of hate through centuries and their contribution in the world is noteworthy.
THAT IS SO CAP. Jews always say they do nothing wrong but did more wrong than any other people group. The strongest governments are with the Jews, the Muslims are the ones who suffered more, and there are billions of Muslims. More Muslims were killed than the entire population of Jews. Ignore the Pain of Muslims and only remember Jews? Typical ignorance. Jews always pull out the victim card. Are you blind?
Could someone explain the units he uses? Thanks!
I was waiting for this analysis. 👏
A sane evaluation as usual.
My two bit: It is best to leave history behind and focus on a solution in the Middle East, considering the present….
Sample these notes (my notes) from History….
The first written records referring to Palestine emerged in the 12th-century BCE, twentieth dynasty of Egypt, which used the term Peleset for the neighboring people or land. In the 8th century BCE, the Assyrians referred to the region as Palashtu or Pilistu. Since we know that Judea and Samaria (Jewish states) existed in the region much before the last two millennia, how is it that the Jews are not included in Palestinians?
Reading the history of evolution of Islam, with particular reference to Jerusalem
(620 CE) is recommended.
How far back in history do we want to go? The further we go back the future suffers… our children suffer. Instead, the Arabs and the world can create another “Israel” with the other “Palestinians”. Note: Israel Est: 1948 - is the third richest Nation in Asia.
Tailpiece: And ah! (With malice to none, a general statement) No religion has brought peace to the world… some individuals may have benefitted from some religions… but in general religions have only wrought destruction over centuries.
Easy to become the 3rd richest country in the world with all that aid pouring in. Research has subconscious bias it seems.
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The biggest problem of Muslim World is all most all of them never criticised terrorism themselves where every other Entity does criticise their own Community.
If u go to local media u'll see that they do all the time. It just doesn't apply to foreign policy and big media.
Ummah is very real and it's only because Israel is stronger and has applied brute force that others are quiet. But there isn't a single muslim in this world, who is indifferent about fellow Islamic brethren. If something will happen in India, don't remain under misconception that they will first think about India.
Now that I look back, I think Donald Trump shld've received the Nobel Peace Prize for the Abraham Accords.
I really mean it.
Wtf?
Peace between countries who were never at war.. Lol
@@anshuraj4277
My dear friend, kindly read up.
It was an establishment of diplomatic relations of Israel with UAE and Bahrain mediated by the US.
It was an incredibly underappreciated feat for the sole reason that Trump managed to do it.
Hope this brings clarity.
@@shikamarunara295 but that's just normal geopolitics
Not something worthy of Nobel Prize
Nobel Prize is for things like Solving Israel Palestine conflict
Infact... These accords failed coz they ignored Palestinians and hence the attack
Israel is at war with Palestinians
Not UAE
@@shikamarunara295 read up and Trump in one sentence
Brown Trump fans are just super weird 😂
If one studies or keeps track of IR news, they will certainly understand it.
My previous illustration stands.
Good day!😊
What about Uighurs sir?
Those are doomed just like tibet - no one dares to go v china and the ccp has a well placed censorship foreign policy and "activists" in their pockets. Might not have been declared but china is waging a cold war for about 20 years.
In the era of geopolitical
National interest matter not religion
Simply great video Shekhersaab. One of ur finest. Thank you Sir.
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Shekhar bhakt
Thank You so much ShekharJi!
This is an unusual selection of facts, to drive home a deep insight.
I see the world as moving towards religious nationalism and leftism and Pan- IslamicISM has and is paving the way....like a last gasps...
But Rightism too is not SO good...
So, we Will be entering again, a nationalist regurgitation of conflicting ideologies...
Weak Holism and Humanism vs
Religious conservatism ...
IDK...Just wondering....
Religious Nationalism and leftism are antithetic to each other.
Commentism hasm tooism manyism ismism
Totally agree with Shekharji about the religion and the nationalism. Hope he doesn’t discount of Bharat being Hindu Rashtra.
Bharath is not a Hindu Rashtra. India's strength lies in all communities living in Harmony and Peace.
@@nandanrajeev2452 harmony because majority is hindu and opposite could have happed if those whose coundiser you kafir were majority
Can you answer this, why the mosques are using Israeli flag as a doormat but didn't do anything close when Mumbai or other attacks/wars happened?@@nandanrajeev2452
@@nandanrajeev2452just see what happened in Manipur.
You are living your life whatever it is...
All just because of Hindu rastra or I say specifically a non Abraham religion majority coutry
Netanyahu is the modern day Rawan
Yeah, 😂.
Soon imam mahdi will come and these hypocrites so called Muslim leader will be forgotten in the dustbin of history
Yes Imam Mahdi would come, Kalki would come, Jesus would be born again..and they would liberate people as per their religion.
lol muslims r there stupid self consoling beliefs lmap
Wow.. almost everything is correctly pointed out. This 12 minutes are tight slap of whole muslim community
Not tight slap to muslim community. Instead this was devoted to uncover the truth of this so called mythical ummah or OIC. And final conclusion was every nation keep their supreme national interest above their religious affinity. Best example is first & second world war were so called christain coloniall power were killing each other purely for expansion of their colony
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I urge you to listen carefully again.. where did sekhar sir mentioned muslim community. Entire episode was confined to only nationalism and pan islamism ( so called ummah) and how nationalism trumpet pan islamism when it comes to supreme national interest. Where was the discussion on muslim community. The same topic was covered by professor ishtiaq ahmad while his discussion with professor cheema!,
Ek bar fir se sun lo
the analysis is absolutely spot on!! the ummah may not like it though 🙂
It’s a mixed bag. People from all Muslim countries are protesting against Israel. That’s why you see such large crowds in pro-Palestinian rallies in US and Europe. But the Govt and rulers in Muslim countries are mostly puppets who cannot have an independent foreign policy. They have to rely on US for support to maintain their hold on the people of their countries. So to do intelligent analysis you need to see it separately, aspiration of rulers from the general population.
Guptaji like most "outsiders" is unable to differentiate between the reaction of the Kings and dictators imposed on the muslim world with that of the Ummah. If UAE crown prince and 100 people of his Tribe side with US and Israel that does not mean that the people of UAE side with Israel. You should note that ENTIRE leadership of Al Qaida and ALL 10 hijackers came from countries which are client states of US and have large US military bases like Jordan, Saudi Arabia and Egypt . Hosni Mubarak was in US camp but the people of egypt are not . Pakistani Generals might be on US payroll but US continues to me the most hated country in Pak. Pashtoon "leaders" like Ashraf Ghani and Hamid Karzai were US "allies" , but the vast majority of Pakhtoon population was clearly on the side of Taliban. US has ensured the Occupation of Palestine by indirectly occupying the surrounding nations of Jordan Egypt Saudi etc and destroying /sanctioning those it could not indirectly occupy ( iraq , iran, yemen) . Ummah consists of the masses, not of few people at the top of the Regime. When muslims from entire world meet at Hajj for a Month every year it becomes clear to us that entire Ummah thinks on same lines on the issue of Palestinians . Arab Kings might dance with US president , the sons of the soil will make US pay . Eventually as electric cars and green energy make Oil cheap . The capability of pro US regimes to keep populations under control will collapse . It is easy to keep masses under control when state can pay 100% for education, marriage, Health , housing like it is in Saudi, Kuwait, Oman etc today , that model is not sustainable in a world of Green economy . These pro US leaders are going to hang from beautiful palm trees outside their palaces and representatives of Ummah will take control . The model of egypt and pak where US keeps 100 generals on pay roll to keep the likes of Morsi and Imran out of power is also on its last legs , eventually it will make the Generals un popular. The entire architecture with US built to ensure the subjugation of muslim world post WW1 is under threat of collapse, which explains why US has to repeatedly resort to brute force and why the People rise time and again to fight by making organizations like Hamas . Israel might suceed in destroying hamas , the rise of Tamas, chamas , hamas 2.0 will not be very far away. We are more than a billion people , we are not Red Indians , we will not end up in museum . .
@@atherzaidi5871 if the ummah takes over then everyone know what happens .. check out Afghanistan .. we have to go back to 7th century
@@atherzaidi5871 good thing is no one is trying to kill Billion muslims
If u are pro Taliban
Go live in Afghanistan
Leave civilised countries
Joker
@@atherzaidi5871Haha you sound like true convert.
1) What Modi's India should have done if Pakistani sponsored terrorist might have killed 1400 innocent Indian civilians?
2) what Manmohan's India would have done in the same context, if it were the case?
Thinking like a British colonisers there rather an oppressed indian?
Shekhar I am very curious to know are you reading this off a script in front of you .. ? So natural , love the energy and the delivery ! 🤍
Very nice analysis , all Muslim should watch this and understand infighting
A very valid episode by Shekhar where he nicely argues against this concept that He feels is not valid. Regards Israel's action in Gaza, Countries will say what appears to be the politically correct at a given point of time but what goes on behind the scenes is also important. If the entire world was united in not only vocally condemning Israel but actually putting words into action, I think Israel would have to take notice and stop their action in Gaza. If, as Shekhar says, this concept is nothing but "the Ummah fantasy", what explains the outburst of protests in India, Bangladesh, Pakistan among many other countries against Emmanuel Macron a couple of years ago and Pakistan went so far as to attempt to break diplomatic relations with France? Also what explains the refusal of United States Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib, to say a single word against Hamas? Sure, this concept that Shekhar seems to dismiss outright, has not won a war in recent memory, yet...but it has a significant power to cause trouble and may be used to scare individuals in many countries, which Shekhar did not address in this video.
The concept of 'Ummah' is used selectively. Outburst of protest in India, UK and USA against Israel and, Pakistan threatening to break ties with France, are all selective posturing to score political points in domestic politics or to assert pressure as a vote bank in a liberal democracy. No Muslim organization or Islamic nation speaks out against ill treatment of Uighur Muslims in China. You are right that this concept can cause trouble, sometimes leading to loss of life, and may even cause fear in the citizens of a liberal democratic society.
“Ummah” only has nuisance value. For all the rosy talks of democracy and all, nothing will ever replace Hard power, which the Islamic countries lack badly for the last 500 years. It doesn’t matter if you are 25% of the world’s population, if the other side has military technology light years ahead of you, even if they are only 1% of world population. And to be honest, it’s quite fair also because when Muslims had the military advantage Constantinople became Istanbul and millions of Churches and Temples became mosques. Now don’t cry me a river when the situation is reversed.
When India was at war against Pakistan in 1971, Gaddafi refused to support India in the name of Muslim unity
Muslims are untrustworthy.
ultimately everybody will be momin. Virus has to devour the healthy body@@souvikghosh9748
Ummah may possibly be a facade used by the muslims to intimidate cowardly political organisations for leverage.
It also helps them to create a smoke screen to hide their deeply divided, stupid, fractured community structures.
Poor guy!!how much he is worried for muslim .he will very unhappy for what is happening for muslim. even though he and his forefathers is hindu.I donot know why?
Can you help stop State Sponsored Terrorism from across our border. Our neighbor continues to bleed us day in and day out.
Really liked it how you summed things
Mr Gupta, I disagree with you on many points. Why:
1. Islam and Muslims have indulge in tremendous harm to this world. I think you understand what has undergone at the hands of Islam and Muslims. If British had not come here to rule, india would have become almost like afganistan due mass conversions and retrograde education or denial of quality education ie British kind or even like gurkul system. I am aware that British took away lot wealth from india but coward hindus would not have been able over throw Muslims. It is only the British cunning, hard work and foresight could overthrow useless but very harmful rule for hindu interest.
2. Some European countries like Spain were Islamic countries. Can you imagine how Spain would have looked like today under Islamic rule? Another palistine or Jordan or Azerbaijani ... pick your choice.
3. History tell parsia was a great civilization. But look at them under Islamic rule? Parsis who migrated to india due to Islamic invasion saved themselves the burden and damage of Islam. Do you notice how well have they done here in india had they remained in Persia, Tatas would have another burqa clade obscure entity worth nothing.
4. I can go on endlessly like this because Islam did tremendous damage to this human kind unlike Europeans who were invaders and looters by nature but they also brought about some positive changes as well. For example south Africa was a kind of developed country during British rule but today it is down the drain. But Islam has taken every country backward by at least 1000 years.
Valid points, especially the first one!
@@IITTPPEEDDwhen a ling pujari reads history
What’s happening in Gaza is an eye opener for Muslims..we live in global village,our economies are in bedded in each other,for example Saudi Arabia rely on India for many things like wise India too rely on Saudi’s for energy,
it’s impossible to cut this links off altogether,therefor
best solution is to sort out the differences by dialogue..for Muslim to speak with one voice is impossible..only way they can do that is to cut off all their business ties with western world,which is impossible to do.because their economy heavily depend on one another..if they Muslims really wants to speak with one voice,than they need to invest within the islamic world and be less dependent on western world.
If thats so other should have the same treatment for Muslim. Ban Muslims to enter in the western world and stop giving any technical and medical assistant.
Have u ever heard of the Organisation of Christian conference? Or United Buddhist Nations? or any other countries with religious associations. Only Jinnah could come up with something as absurd as this...
@@jagdishkumar-hg8og look around where you live closely,you soon will learn how many different religions and organisations there are.!!!
@@nazirahmed7540 If tomorrow Christians decide to form an organization then they have to convince Hindus & Buddhists to join them. That will literally make Muslim world starve to death. Btw, the biggest Oil Reserves are there in Venezuela, Russia, USA, Brazil etc.These countries oil is good enough to last for a long long time... But, none of the rich Arab nations will have water or food
great analysis by Shekhar sir
The Hypocrisy in India is what is funny specially in state like Kerala. No Protest was conducted against persecution of woman in Iran, people in Afghanistan or For the people of Ukraine. But for Gaza everyone has time for this selective protest.
Thanks God. Most of Hindus live in India. We can stand for hindu rights all-around the world. Nationalism won't be a problem
Like How these arab immigrants demanding Hebrew land as theirs.
One day will come when the Muslims will demand Delhi Sultanate land, Be careful and Think before you choose side.
People saying Israel is evil but cant see 9000 Rockets fired at Israel
Innocent civilians Muslim suffering in Palestine n in Kashmir about 70 years.
Insightful indeed dear sir.
The question should also be asked as to why Muslims all over this world are looked down at with constant suspicion. Why is there so much hate between this faith and pretty much every group following any other faith. This umma or whatever should condemn and fix their internal issues. Broad Introspection and massive public debate and dialogue should be done to take the ‘Peace’ in the religion and leave the trash behind. This is what should be taught to future generations.
This is nothing new , hypocrites existed straight from the the time of our Messenger pbuh , Abbasids, Ottomans. The Muslim Ummah is a sleeping giant , it takes its own time to wake up.
Top notch analysis!
They have different names like hamas, hizbollah, PLO, civilians, women, children etc. They happily kill or being happy due to killing. This nature is repeatedly exposed.
Brilliantly put
But
Aren't we Hindus victims of similar fallacies?
I think I am missing the point he is trying to make. Is he saying that, why muslims are so riled up over the 11,000 + people killed in Palestine, when larger number has been killed by their own internal conflicts? Does that make the Gaza killings ok?
It is true that in Islam the concept of Ummah is of utmost importance. And Muslims were one strong ummah under one Khilafat for 1400 years, until world war one caused the Ottoman Khilafat to be abolished. And then Britain and France, under the sykes-picot agreement made arbitary lines on the middle east map and divided it among each other, without any knowledge of the area (sikes and picot had never even been to the middle east), or without any regards to the ethnic, religious and linguistic differences of people living in those areas. To this day its the same lines drawn by sikes and picot that has made these new countries of iraq, jordan, syria, Lebanon etc. And these differences have been the cause of all the internal conflicts in those countries, which still gets exploited by the west and they still play their proxy wars there.
So no, its not "fashionable " to blame the west, it is a fact that almost all the conflicts in today's world has been created by the west! Including the most messed up one, Israel-Palestine. And they still refuse to do anything about it!
Like Bangladesh
My views are as under
1. Nationalism is bigger than pan-islamism, proof , we need not go far. Pakistan and East Pakistan created on religious line and separated on cultural lines.
2. One of the leaders of Paksitan who was responsible for killing many Palestine, hold your breath it was none other than the great Islamist ex president of Pakistan Mr. Zia ul haq, offcourse when he was deputed in this region. You may investigate
3. Two Nations theory is possible if Hamas and Hezbollah accept the reality of Israel, as long as they dont then two nation solution shall be elusive.
4. Israel is left with no option but to take over gaza strip to eliminate the threat of Hamas for good. West Bank can be made a separate Nation with security in hands of Israel, this is only solution practically possible. Otherwise let us wait another 100 years for a solution to emerge
5. Feel bad for Palestinians people, they have been done by the western powers, it 75 + years since Israel creation, Pragramatic approach is need of hour. British divided India and created two enemies for good, similarly they created this problem, they could have handled it much better than. For Israel they are surrounded byt enemies all across. It is loss loss situtaion for both
If you observe correctly, we indians have become those who are supporting the aggressors rather than the victim; be it Russia on Ukraine or Israel on Palestine. It is not our totally our fault too, because we are being divided - made to choose a side.
I think everyone, in every country want to have a free life and it is one's right. basic principle of humanity - which is not being respected. And it is pity that we can't even support raise a voice against thousands of kids and women being killed. What a pity !!
Foreign policy has moved from idealism to national interest
What you have said sir is correct. It seems Indians are enjoying these wars in their cost homes as if watching video games. Alas, not only India but the whole word somehow is thinking with "self interests" as priorities, not having anything to do with morality. Sad state of affairs :(
Pakistani leader Maulana Fazlur Rahman went and met Haniya in Qatar, he pledged support to Hamas in Gaza and in exchange Hamas promised support in Kashmir. So it does not require rocket science to decide whom to support.
You might want to consider the Emergency Islamic Summit held today at Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. It has brought together the heads of state of all Muslim countries. Go ahead and tune in.
Wonderful national interest episode.
Why are not the hostages free so that the Gaza population is save.
Israeli Bot lol.
Happy to know Israel is winning
This is simply brilliant.
4:00 till 5:00 thanks for making a point.
If Nationalism or in sanskrit Raashtravaad, is in the heart of every citizen WHY not a single muslim has that attitude. The reason is Allah one day rule the whole world only that submits to Allah has right to live the rest to hell… The Bharatha Nayam dancer Guptha (he twist and turns inhis hand) is giving great Gupth Gyaan😢
Well on point!
Your impromptu presentation was really good....this seems like its read through a teleprompter...
He had to, as this is a sensitive matter.
It is first published as a column. In website. print in. Later recorded as video
Great analysis ❤
Thank you sir.
Most muslims dont bother about sunnah or literal interpretation of quran. But even a small percentage of muslims who believe in religious bonds more important than nationalism or other bonds (a conservative estimate at 3-5%) will make this number almost 50-100 million worldwide. So pan-islamism is not a petty issue. Almost all religions have some poison and shameful history in them but sadly by design Islam is unable to shake that off even in modern times.
India has over 500,000 madarasas.
Shekerji why does your heart always beat for terrorists, is it something hard wired in people like you or petro / narco dollars