Pry the GPS Tracker Off Your Car? Ep. 6.128
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- čas přidán 17. 11. 2019
- Indiana Supreme Court is going to rule on whether an Indiana man had the right to pry an unidentified GPS tracker off of his car - which had been placed there by the police.
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Speaking as a former drug dealer, I would have left it in place so as to mislead police. For example, occasionally park for ten minutes near houses of prominent politicians.
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I just pointed out the same thing two mins ago. Surveillance you know about can be a great asset. A known mole is an opportunity. To be able to feed the enemy information is priceless, provided you know what you are doing.
Mark Read Pickens...Why not just stick it on a police car...???
@@statinskill Unfortunately, the Trump administration has arrested Chinese spys, instead of feeding them worthless misinformation.
@@outdoorsguy Unfortunately, you are talking out of your ass about things you don't fully understand.
Requiring someone to keep a tracking device is awfully close to forcing him to testify against himself.
@Quentin Styger probably
@Quentin Styger testifying against yourself is the fifth
You could argue for the fourth Amendment unreasonable search and seizure though too
Personally, I don't care if it's labeled "by order of the POTUS", I would assume ownership of it, pry the device off, & smash it w/ a hammer. Then, if I'm questioned I'd demand a lawyer to be present before answering squat!
There is precedent for an ownership argument just by the fact that whenever they find any sort of illegal contraband in any vehicle, the ownership is always the owner of the vehicle.
that's ok, thankfully for our benign government overlords, "awfully close" only counts in horseshoes, hand grenades and airstrikes in syria.
The fact that this had to go all the way to the Indiana Supreme Court is absurd. Every Judge who touched this case before it got to the Supreme court should be stripped of their robes.
maybe their underwear and socks too
Y'all misspelled "life".
@@bobbydowling4263 That alone would be a level 6 Felony. Indecent Exposure.
Years ago, I came home to find someone left junky old furniture in my backyard. I put it on the curb because trash pickup was the next morning. After the trash was picked up, I got a call from a relative who said it was antique furniture that she wanted me to store for her. She hadn’t left a note, there wasn’t a voicemail, and I didn’t even know she was in town.
Did I steal her antiques?
Her junk, that she didn’t take with her when she moved seven years prior, had worn out it’s welcome with the people she had entrusted it to. She had them dump it on my property and I treated it as abandoned property.
How am I supposed to know if something in or on my car is not abandoned property?
You are not in the wrong. Your relative should have asked your permission before doing that and shouldn't be surprised by the outcome.
Drive the tracker to your local truckstop and find a rig doing coast to coast freight.
good answer!!à
The fact that this is even a conversation means we have a problem.
@FortyFive Nineteen11 Hey! Dont insult feed stock like that! 😁🗽🇺🇲 We are a very diverse culture. Most Americans are awesome but we have subsidized a lot of undesirables that's for sure.
thousandaire radio 1936 Germany🤔
@@lionheart6729 Rise of the Warrior Cop
If you are a woman and you need help DO NOT CALL THE POLICE! Because, when they finally show up never approach the drivers window to talk to them about the problem you are having, or the officer in the passenger seat will reach across the driver and shoot and kill you.
Ditto
What's to stop the police from placing it, removing it themselves, claiming the suspect removed it and then obtaining the warrant over "theft"?
Nothing, but police do that with anything, so it's a bit of an odd loophole to try to get someone on when you can literally just plant drugs on them. If they're able to plant that on his car, they could have taped something illegal to the spare tire or something then said "While attempting to install GPS tracker, x, y, and z were found."
I mean, obviously less loop holes are better, but we still live in a police state where our "freedom" can be stripped from us at anytime regardless, unfortunately.
You're hired!
Yes
Nothing. Which is why this whole thing is ridiculous.
The search warrants would all be "Fruit of the Poisonous Tree" and all the evidence in this case needs to be excluded. Either do police work right or suffer the consequences.
You left off the recent use of trackers to steal automobiles by either tracking them back to the house to be stolen at night or tracking to a movie theatre or other venue where they know it will sit for a while. And even the police themselves warned people to be aware of unknown trackers placed on their vehicle.
Can you imagine? "You must allow us to track you." LOL!
Hell, forget the tracker, just force the guy to drive around with a cop in the backseat.
The car must have been quite old, cause any new car (at least 2012, I think 2006) can be tracked without an extra tracker. My Conspiracy theory about why they did the ash for clunkers was to help get rid of as many of non factory installed trackers as possible.
And feed him coffee and donuts
I watched a guy on my IR CCTV camera doing something at the rear of my car at 4am one morning. I have a wireless perimeter alarm that goes off in my hallway whenever anyone crosses over my sidewalk and heard it beep. I watched the guy on my camera and when he walked off, I watched him through my window walk a couple of houses down and get in the passenger seat of an SUV and it drove off. I went outside and found it stuck magnetically behind my back wheel on the body. Pried it off, saw what it was, and dropped it into my car seat. Next morning I get up, drive to a waffle house on I-20, grab a bite to eat and when I left, I stuck it to the little back blade of a Bobcat on a trailer with Mississippi plates. I lived in Texas.
Well dam... some spy shit going on at your house! lol IR CCTV surveillance, wireless perimeter alarms... Whatdya got going on over there??😅
I'll take stories that never happened for 500.
Now I know what to do thank you.
You manufactured this story just to justify all the paranoia devices you installed
Tell me more about this wireless perimeter alarm. I’ve been wanting one of these to alert to bad guys approaching, or really just anyone.
The results for those who want to know:
"The Supreme Court of Indiana suppressed all evidence resulting from search warrants obtained on the basis that the sheriff’s department concluded a suspect “stole” the GPS device being used to track him when it failed to transmit its location for 10 days."
and
"the Court characterized the actions of the officers in conducting the search based on the facts presented in this case as “reckless.” The Court explained “that applying the exclusionary rule here will deter similar reckless conduct in the future.”"
Thanks, I came to this page looking for the update!
Captian or Captain - That gives me hope.
Sounds about right
This is scary. Can they attach a tracker to a car without a court order? Calling it theft is absurd. I’m not happy dealer gets off and bothered by police action.
@@banditeastlick2471 Couple things, not sure about entering private property without a warrant. But it would be easy enough to surveil someone follow them when they go somewhere and then place the tracker on their vehicle once they've left their home and are no longer on private property. Additionally, police are allowed to go on to private property even enter a residence if they're in what's called hot pursuit, that is basically chasing someone who's just committed a crime.
It's not like the cops have to stop and stand outside the door of someone's personal residence because they were chasing a robber or a killer and they ran into the front door or back door or any door of a private residence. Also, if there's an unmarked device on your car, unless you have first-hand knowledge I would have no clue what a GPS tracker looks like. I can imagine it would be some kind of round circle thing I have no idea.
My problem with "confidential informat" is the 6th Admendment. How can someone offer evidence against someone else and remain anonymous?
I believe that somewhere in there is something about the right to face your accuser among other rights.
Well, I think the confidential informants are used to generate leads and obtain warrants, not as actual evidence or testimony during trial. But yes, citing info from a confidential informant in order to gain a warrant can still be problematic (makes it easier for the police to just lie on the warrant application, for instance)
@Muhahahahaz, you are literally talking about "evidence" required to obtain a search warrant.
I know a lady who was being harassed by police because the city of Fort Collins in Colorado was mad at her for things she was exposing. The Larimer County Sheriff's office placed the tracker on her car without a warrant. She took it to the Weld County sheriff who were able to trace it back to Larimer County sheriff.
I say if they stuck it on your car, it's not theft, they literally gave it to you...besides your tax dollars paid for it...
Very good point...
I like that logic :-)
so esentially they forced you to pay for something that you did not need. sounds like government is a scam and a gangster organisation
@@tomisnt freight train maybe not. but if they are tracking you and think you are selling drugs or something then yeah putting it on a car bound for another city. or state. a car with another states licence plate. i'd feel bad for the poor guy tho.
but maybehe could get money. just make it seem like and accident. or maybe even sell it to someone lol
Don't keep it, remove it and place it on another car.
Just stick it on a semi-truck heading out of town.
On a train or plane
Haha, that's a good way to get in a fight with a trucker! Or maybe you could pay a guy to play "pass it along". 😂
.... preferably with Alaska plates on it !.
Get a bus or cab to party supply store purchase helium balloons return to tracker attach tracker to new lighter than air conveyence. Proceed to public park and release.
I would leave it in the driveway during heavy rain. "Oops, it must have fallen off!"
In my opinion if you're concealing your property on/in someone else's property without them knowing, you're kind of giving up any right to claim theft. They don't know why it's there or where it came from and should have every right to take it off and dispose of it (or hold it somewhere safe in case someone comes asking for it if they feel generous).
As Steve alluded to the “anonymous tip” and the securing of a warrant…how convenient, i sure wish they were required to have the warrant hearing recorded especially if its anonymous and the level of scrutiny of that informant.
And what judge is signing these warrants!? Zero consequences for cops. Even less for corrupt judges.
hippo potamus a Democrat im sure
actually you can send those judges back to england as thier appointed by a foriegn power. also look at the fine print on the contract the lawyers have to sign to become lawyers. they give up thier right to called us. citizens. and become english citizen.
make a claim on the judges bond
@@nathandean1687 Since the US became a debt corp for England after civil war debts
The police "gave" him the tracker by placing it on his property. How can a person "steal" an item that was voluntarily "given" to him?
- You comited robbery !
- No sir, the clerck "gave" me property of the cash by placing it into my bag
@@cronobactersakazakii5133 more like
- You committed robbery
- No they left it in my car, i found it, and wasn't sure what it is, so placed in a safe place to wait for the person who lost it comes to claim it.
@@cronobactersakazakii5133 you isn't too bright are you
Les Hicks *And* you don't even *know* he/they gave it to you?
I heard of someone mailing one across the country.
Live in Canada and I actually found something on my car years ago. It was in the wheel well. Fairly large then so much harder to hide in those days. It was electronic in nature and wasn’t there the last time I washed my car. My wife and daughter were out of town for a week visiting relatives. No idea who put it there. I am not a criminal and the worst I have done is speeding tickets when I was a teen. I removed it and contemplated a long time what to do with it. Decided to just throw it in the garbage. I was a businessman, the only thing I could think was some sort of corporate espionage but that didn’t make sense either as my companies were doing well but just 3 small companies that payed me well but were no threat to anyone. Still don’t know to this day who put it there or why. Never found anything else since? That was about 25 years ago.
Your wife suspected you were having an affair?
@@FFM0594 or it got put their by mistake, but they were really expense back then, so yeah first guess would be suspicious spouse.
This happened to individual I knew they put a tracker on a commercial truck. He was the owner of the business and it was only one truck. He thinks they may have put a tracker on the truck by accident so when he went into the police department and ask them they pretended not to know anything about it. He pulled a tracker off the vehicle. He carefully bubble, wrapped and placed in a package and ship it to New York. He was currently living in Chicago.
I feel like this is like putting an envelope full of money in someone's mailbox and then claiming they're harboring stolen property because they brought the envelope inside.
Lol, even worse. They attached it to his car, already effectively on his property. This would be the equivalent of slipping the envelope under their door then claiming theft.
It's my understanding that if you receive an unsolicited package in
the US Mail, you are permitted to
Claim it as yours, and Keep It! 😅❤🎉
@@wilneal8015 This is true. This law was implemented I think in the 1960s when credit card companies used to send out unsolicited credit cards, people would use them and then get stuck for the bill. The law was passed to stop this practice, it worked.
I would pry it off and stick it to a police car
More fun to place it on a dumpster truck or postie van ;-)
@@michaellowe3665: or, perhaps, a container ship bound for China.
Lend your car to someone going for a long road trip.
School bus, city bus, subway train, snowplow, neighboor’s car, pizza delivery guy, your ex’s car, the guy at work you don’t like who was promoted over you, your boss, a boat during boating season, the middle of the desert during s cross country trip, the middle of a small island in the middle of a lake that’s your favorite fishing spot. Possibilities are endless!
This is why you should always know at least two flight attendants , one going to Asia and one on the South Africa run.
Confidential informants need to be an abolished protection period.
All citizens accused of a crime are entitled to face and question our accusers in a court of law with a jury present.
If someone attaches something to your property you have no obligation to insure that it remains attached or to consent to its attachment.🤨
Even if the item attached had the fallowing written on it “property of the police” I would still pry it off place it in a shipping box and mail it back to them.
Also just because something says police on it does it mean that it’s officially something that is actually from the police… (how would you know?) I could just as easily stalk my girlfriend with such a device and before attaching it to her vehicle write on the device “property of the police.”
Also doesn’t that whole “possession being 9/10 of the law” thing come into to play here? If someone leaves or attaches their property on to your property without permission and walks away from it I think you have a strong argument that the property is now yours, and that being the case you can do whatever the hell you want with it.🤨
30 years ago a retired judge told me stay out of the court system. It's crooked as hell and you will never win.
That is truly depressing to hear.
@stuart johnson yeah if we just would vote harder..
@@markmiller4503 Vote as hard as you like, the vote counting machines were compromised from the start. You don't vote these Bastards in and you can't vote them out. Look up "Fractional voting magic"
@@MegaDavyk The computers are also made in China with extra chips in them to control the outcome. No paper trail, and then vote harvesting and dead people voting , and millions of illegal non-citizens voting and teens on the voting list and voters who vote more than once who take a bus to vote again, and again, etc, etc, etc. The criminals have overrun the system and will lie cheat and steal to get and keep power. The elections have been rigged for a very long time but now worse because of the computers. The people should fill out their vote at the Trump rally so they have a paper trail and true voting instead of a rigged system.
@@owenprince4823 That's a fantastic idea about people at Trump rallies submitting a paper ballot. You should contact the White House and tell them about it.
My vehicle belongs to me . If they don’t want me smashing their gps tracker don’t put it on my property.
Always use an EMF detector, only $15. Better yet, put it on a car after following them home from the employee-parking-lot at the local courthouse...a judge or prosecutor may get tracked. Tell police you'd like investigation on why the prosecutor, clerk, or other stole it from you!! And that you'll get FBI to investigation local thieves being protected by corrupt police, if they'd prosecute you, but not local "old boys network VIP's" for the same set of circumstances.
It's called trespassing.
Or indulge in a fender bender... but if you can pry it off, then I say, pry it open & loosen some wires.
@@olgamiller216 A few seconds in the microwave should do the trick.
The "vehicle" you bought with Federal Reserve Notes?
Then technically it's not yours. Stop paying the taxes and then tell me you own it.
Is it not written "Jesus asked “Who's image and inscription are on the coin?” The answer? “Caesar's”. Jesus then tells them to “Pay back Caesar's things to Caesar.”?
They are "DEAD" entities". Living can not OWN anything dead. (necrophilia) Yea it gets that deep.
I drive a semi for a living. The machine is inspected daily and from time to time, I find road debris caught up in the truck somewhere. Being a responsible and caring individual, I remove the debris and place it in the first available trash receptacle I find. And if the label on it that says,”Property of Blah Blah PD, if found, please call BR549” happens to be obscured by road dirt and road oil, I won’t be feeling an obligation to clean it off to read it because it was a foreign object stuck to my machine.
I bought a 2013 Nissan Morano that used to be a rental car. I found an antenna wire leading up inside the panel between the driver's side window and the windshield, along the top of the "ceiling" and into an antenna module mounted behind my rear view mirror. I took it apart, looked up the part number of the module, and verified that it was indeed an antenna module. Being an electronics tech helped. It was easy to see what this was.
I honestly don't know if it was a GPS or not, but there is no reason for my car to be talking to anyone. I removed the device and cut the antenna wire as close to my dash as possible.
It was probably there to enable OnStar or a similar service that makes it easy to get help if you're stranded or in an accident.
@@wizardsuth i looked up the part number on the antenna's circuit board and it came up as a GPS antenna. The cable ran along the top of the cabin down under the dash. That's as far as I traced it before cutting it.
When I hear cases like this, it reminds me of how corrupt our country is.
electronicsNmore, how corrupt people are, you mean. It’s not fair to the people in the country that do good to be placed in that statement. I get what you’re saying, and we do need to weed out this corruption, but we honestly can’t say it’s “the country”, because you and I know there are reasonable people here too, otherwise the country wouldn’t be where it is today. We got somewhere being honorable... if we can bring it all back, we can do more good! I’m with you that corruption must be stopped, but I can’t blame the whole country or the WHOLE system (some have too many loopholes), because there will always be those that want to bring it down for delusional reasons.
Corruption rules.
Our country is so corrupt, that most of the corrupt people don’t realize they are corrupt. The corruption is just how things are done, how hey were trained to do things.
Yeah you probably signed away your constitutional rights at the DMV .you told them you were a US resident instead of residing in America .make America great again and tell the US to f*** off
electronicsNmore our country is not corrupt, only some individuals . Your hatred is mis directed. Stop hating the greatest nation ever to exist,
Sneaking into someone's garage is an easy way to find yourself in a shallow ditch in the deep woods.
My thoughts exactly
Most of these criminals don't have garages. They park their cars outside. So if you're going to be a criminal, you must always park in a secured garage. Then politicians will make garages illegal...
I was raised in the country. Here we put the 3 s's on unwelcome and unpleasant visitors.
Shoot, shovel and shut up!
babyfarck Mcgeezazkz
A co-worker of mine has been dealing with the consequences his actions over two years ago, when he was awakened by a strange noise in the wee hours of the night. Thinking the noise came from his garage, he went silently out his back door to investigate, grabbing a shovel nearby. Two dark figures rounded the corner just as he did the same - and reflexively he swung that shovel at his head with all his might. The other man took off running, apparently straight to the police station - where BOTH of them worked! Of course they charged the homeowner with assault on a LEO (they never ID’d themselves!) Nothing ever came of those charges, but he and his wife have been harassed by both county and municipal officers ever since. Not fair, but he is looking for employment far away from our area, hoping to relocate his family “out of sight” and hopefully out of mind.
A question. I'm no lawyer, but if an unidentified person leaves an unidentifiable object on a person's property, how can it be theft if the property owner removes it? If someone leaves a cell phone in a taxi, is it theft if the taxi driver moves the phone to a lost and found? If a person purchases a home and later finds a can of money in the yard, they didn't steal the money? The money was there. If a person purchased a car that, unknown to them contained a tracker, the tracker would belong to them. If you throw away an item, on the ground, or hopefully in the trash, it no longer belongs to you and can be recovered by the authorities or presumably someone else. By the same standard, would this be theft?
Another thought. Does this mean, if some unknown person sets up a camera in your yard or in your home, pointed at your bedroom or bathroom, would it be theft if you removed it? This is a crazy expansion of property rights.
Isn't it "a thing" where they're used by criminals to follow someone back to their house to later come rob them? If I found one, I'd take it off and watch for a possible home intrusion. I didn't hear about this precedent mentioned.
As a former British Soldier (from the time of “The Troubles”) I would be extremely concerned about an unknown tracking device on my vehicle.
Indeed.
Hell, you would be searching your vehicle constantly for a lot more than a fucking tracker.
The IRA didn't care WHERE you went, they just wanted you to go UP. Nasty buggers.
It's an object stuck under your car.
Could be a bomb.
I say it needs to be immediately removed and put in a safe place- buried deep in the ground, in a river- where it wouldn't kill anyone.
Very true
I would love to see judges who sign off on these bogus warrants held accountable.
Start handing out the death penalty to these judges and I guarantee it will stop quickly.
Ok maybe death sentences are a bit much here, if you recall drugs and a gun were in fact found in this P.O.S.' house, but clearly this was botched and unjust.
Real justice would've had him convicted for the actual crimes he has committed (drugs and gun possession) while dismissing the bogus GPS theft charge.
@@DHFlip18 When you say POS, you're referring to the guy who was suspected of drug dealing initially? Or the cop who got a search warrant for "theft" and then violated someone's 4th amendment rights? Neither person is doing the right thing here, but one of them has an obligation to try to uphold the law and not manipulate it as they see fit.
@@alexandermaier8093 Initially I was referring to the drug dealer, though in this case the same term would apply to the cop. To be honest though, it always frustrated me that evidence could not be used against a criminal just because the it was obtained in a questionable manner.
Like this case for instance: the drug dealer is clearly guilty of drug and gun possession; both are serious violations, but because this evidence wasn't collected properly it must likely won't be able to be used against him and he'll just walk free and clear.
I'm not suggesting the 4th doesn't matter, one the contrary I'm a firm believer, but there are times I wish common sense would apply instead.
@@DHFlip18 , protecting the rights of one, protects the right of us all in the long run...
All I can say is Wow! CZcams threw this video at me. This guy is amazing! Subscribed and thumbs up. This guy should set up a recommendation service for lawyers vetted by him, who can defend us if we get in a pickle. Kinda like Angie's list, except for people looking for lawyers. Great video......the intersection of philosophy, constitutional law, practical law, and real life. Ted
There was an identical case severaljyears ago im which the tracker was placed by the FBI. The judge declined to allow charges against the target, but ordered him to return the tracker to the FBI.
I think what the craziest part was he found the tracker and still had drugs in his house.
Ya think common sense would've showed up and helped in here somewhere.
You would think, hey they are on to me. Get someone else to drive my car while I clean up my property.
Mann Down No shit!!!
Meth heads aren't the sharpest tool in the shed! I would have stuck it to a semi at a truck stop.
It's possible he DID clean up his home and barn [to the best he could remember].
I've known someone involved in similar activities. After this person quit such activities, he found stashes here and there, which he long forgot about. This happens all of the time, especially when an unexpected visitor comes to visit and had to find a quick location to hide his goods [not so goods].
Just my 2 ¢'s.
"You're under no obligation to leave the device on your car, BUT if you take it off it's theft". That statement is contradictory.
The Tracker can only remain 28 days, by Federal Supreme Court ruling, and the tax records show how long it has been on the vehicle. Do no remove it, have an attorney sweep the vehicle, find it, and file suit. The longer it has been on it, the more money you will get in punitive damages. The law enforcement also can not leave 'On Star' on the vehicle, and use it as a tracker, as stated in the Fed Sup Ct. Do remove it, but first have an attorney document it, pull the tax records to prove how long it has been on the vehicle, then file suit. Again, no law enforcement agency can leave a GPS tracker on one's vehicle over 28 days. Noting that the Patriot Act 1 & 2 retired, a warrant is required, and this also helps to date how long, that they have left it on their vehicle.
@BobMealing, I took an illegal wire tap up to the prosecutor's office and handed it in to him... Angry at my civil rights having been violated for so long, 30+ yrs.
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The Tracker can only remain 28 days, by Federal Supreme Court ruling, and the tax records show how long it has been on the vehicle. Do no remove it, have an attorney sweep the vehicle, find it, and file suit. The longer it has been on it, the more money you will get in punitive damages. The law enforcement also can not leave 'On Star' on the vehicle, and use it as a tracker, as stated in the Fed Sup Ct. Do remove it, but first have an attorney document it, pull the tax records to prove how long it has been on the vehicle, then file suit. Again, no law enforcement agency can leave a GPS tracker on one's vehicle over 28 days. Noting that the Patriot Act 1 & 2 retired, a warrant is required, and this also helps to date how long, that they have left it on their vehicle.
@Clarence Kayser google (or duckduckgo...) for "de-googling your phone" to even reverse THAT corporate (and cooperative with Biden's corrupt intel agencies) tracking device.
Hey if they want to play that way, mail the government our payment books
@Clarence Kayser been burned by OnStar in 2010, my own Caddy called the Cops on me
Its very telling that law enforcement thinks they should be able to search your home to reclaim an unidentified object that you removed from your own vehicle. Shameless.
My question Steve is 'If the police get a warrant to tap your phones: cell, home phone or laptop lines, and you stop using them because you might suspect a wiretap, or you destroy your phone or cut the phone wires to your house, buy a burner phone: have you then obstructed a investigation? Can they now search you house, car, property, or business because the electronic devices is no longer sending requested data, have been destroyed or have been removed from your person?
If you put it on my car, which is my property, you've essentially given it to me to do with it as I wish.
I agree 100% Paul!!! Anyone that attaches something on my property (without probable cause) then it becomes MY PROPERTY to do with any way I wish. Actually they have trespassed and defaced my property subject to lawsuit and damages..... including emotional STRESS and any other bullshit I can dream up before we go to court!!!
Not actually true. You are obligated to make a reasonable effort to notify the owner of any lost or mislaid property you find.
That being said the tracker wasn't marked in any way, and the owner already had a pretty good idea who they needed to talk to to recover it.
@@WorBlux i think if i found this i'd find a TT unit at a rest stop and attach it to that and hope it goes cross country.
Can I charge them rent for keeping it and mileage for the added fuel consumption it will require? What about the inconvenience of me having to work around it as I wash and maintain my car?
@@WorBlux Actually, it wouldn't be "lost or Mislaid" if it was attached to my property. Highly unlikely something would accidentally be stuck to the underside of my car.
Never trust a cop or prosecuting attorney, they will lie like hell for a score.
Prosecuting attorneys can't lie. The police can tell you the sky is colored green.
Craig Howarth We can’t if we want to keep our job...
@@jimpyre5038 Hahahahahahah, funny guy.
TheGuruStud 🙄
For the prosecution there are so many ways to present a lie without actually outright lying.
That basically comes back to self incrimination which we don’t have to do
Concerning the purpose of the tracker, a tracker does not track what it is stuck to, it tracks its own location, so the use of the device was not technically lost to the police until it no longer broadcasted.
If someone finds a gps device on their car how are they going to know if its the cops or some serial killer tracking them?
Also how are you going to know if it is a serial killer by night that is a police officer by day.
true,could be a golden state killer type.
Serial killer and cop is redundant.
reattach it to a long haul tractor trailer.
If you also find a machete-wielding psycho in the backseat then you will know it is a serial killer.
"It is better that even a guilty man should go free than that an innocent man be unjustly punished" Thomas Jefferson
Those were better days
Ruling cadree: "No one is innocent."
Actually, the quote is "I would rather a thousand guilty men go free, than one innocent man convicted."
That was said by John Addams, when he defended the British troops after the Boston Massacre in 1774.
Reality is "a law has been broken, someone MUST BE PUNISHED!"
@@jmichaelramirez2510 Someone....not neccessarily the right one!
If I found something like that on a car that I use, I would assume that it was my creepy, abusive ex.
My first course of action would be to remove it and stick it on the back of a police vehicle.
But since in this case, it probably came from the police, I would consider that to be returned property, Making sure that I’ve videoed it to document its journey.
1. Pry it off.
2. Go get a box a bit bigger then the device.
3. Wrap it nice and secure.
4. Mail it to the nearest Police Dept. (Let them follow that around.)
5.5 Get a Postal Receipt.
5. Talk to a Lawyer.
6. Wait for them to show up or Call.
The anonymity of the device should be reason enough to be able to remove it and dispose of it.
George Orwell in 2020: “I tried to warn you.”
George Orwell in 1984; Literally did warn us; "Don't let it happen"
Politicians: We used your book as a manual.
1984 was prologue to an unimaginable nightmare fueled by corporate greed and government incompetence.
You forgot brave new world and animal farm. I have my grandchildren read these three. When asked why, answer we are living them.
A local agency put one on a guys car. He denied finding it but when the battery died it appeared to be attached to a westbound train…
There should be no statute of limitations for police or prosecutors lying in court. Or if there must be one, it should start after the person is cleared and be 10 years or more.
What really bugs me is that there is an obvious lack of mens rea in removing a suspicious object from your property. The police are attributing malicious intent to an otherwise natural reaction.
There is a rise of predators using tracking devices, especially air tags and the like, to follow the movements and daily habits of their potential victims. Anything that would have set a legal precedent requiring a person to leave a device on their car on the chance that it *might* belong to law enforcement would have been dangerous indeed.
Exactly
Indeed, what might have been fun is to park up somewhere out of the way, take it off and drop it in a layby before driving on a little way then calling bomb disposal and telling them something fell off your car and you think it might have been a bomb. If you're lucky they'll controlled explosion it, telling the police to go talk to bomb disposal about what happened to the thing on your car would be priceless.
Put it on a cop's personal car.
Cops misusing department resources to stalk people has also bee a thing for decades. Yeah, I'd be ripping it off and leaving it on the kerb way away from home.
Right you are. Used to be... would be burglars had to case a neighborhood. With an air tag [or similar device] they can go home, play video games and look at the vehicle movement logs a week later to determine repeatable/common time frames of absence.
How do we know the confidential informants aren't lying or making stuff up? These informants, who are often offered a deal of immunity for their own crimes, are then informing on people with no questioning.
The entire system is broken.
The simple answer in the future is to remove the device keeping it in the car and driving to the police station nearest. Take it inside to the reception desk and say I found this under my car in my driveway and it is not mine. It has no name on it so I am turning into the lost and found for you to hold for the owner. The statement it was found on the ground under the car relieves the car owner of being charged with removing it and by giving it back to the police and getting a receipt for it you are stopping them dead in their tracks from using it as a basis for further exploration and warrant applications. Put it back in their hands and say "Caught you" without legal risk.
Law Enforcement in the US seems to be on a constant crusade to deprive the citizenry of our rights as laid out in the Constitution. We are truly and desperately in need of law enforcement reform.
Most of my encounters with LEO'S has gone one of 2 ways. I remind them of their OATHS OF OFFICE and if they won't uphold their OATHS then they must remove the weapons belt badge and Blouse because they are nothing more than DOMESTIC TERRORISTS. Most walk away and leave me alone. Those very few bad LEO'S suddenly start hearing dispatch yell at them that they are stepping on my Constitutional rights by abuse of AUTHORITY under the color of the law. Always video the situation and call dispatch before the LEO starts talking so that they record the incident and can question the magistrate as necessary if they are unfamiliar with a law you just quoted!
@Wagner PD Stop projecting. Why do you right-wingnuts hate freedom so much?
That's how they train them today. You see, buried Deep in the Patriot Act is the suspension of the Constitution AND the Bill of Rights. So you can say that, according to the Constitution, the Patriot Act is unconstitutional and therefore unenforceable AND all our elected officials AND Law Enforcement AND Government Agents ie FBI CIA NSA etc are Traitors. OR You just say Oh Well,
We're scre wed.
Take Care All
we need reform from top to bottom; the police being the bottom;the legislatures being the top; courts being in between.
It is part of their plan to control the populace.
When you give up freedom for security, then you have niether.
Yeah, thats not what Franklins famous saying meant.
@@DS..69 those who would give up essential liberty for a little temporary security deserve neither liberty nor security...
Then what did he mean?
@@aleksfoxtrot8044 Look it up. You have the means.
@@DS..69 no. You presented an argument, dont be lazy. Back it up.
@@aleksfoxtrot8044 Don't have to. Others have done it more eloquently then I ever could. 👈👮♂️👈
Several years ago I bought a used truck from a major dealership. I was installing some accessories and noticed a wire coming out of the fuse box. I then opened the fuse box and found a tracker. I removed it and put it out with the trash.
If law enforcement could justify a warrant they could get location tracking data from the person’s cellphone. There is absolutely no logical reason or excuse for the invasion of privacy of placing a tracker on someone’s vehicle.
Coming from a cop of 18 years, if I found something attached to my car it is coming off.
POLICE are a joke, enforcing corporate/Vatican laws (admiralty law) on the public and not common law. You trick the public into your jurisdiction without their knowledge. Thats why POLICE is always spelt in ALL UPPERCASE otherwise known as Dog-Latin, a false fictional text. The same way you write tickets, in ALL UPPERCASE, you work off deceit and lies. You are the problem.
Dog Latin "The Latin of illiterate persons; Latin words put together on the English grammatical system." - Blacks Law Dictionary.
@mist 😂😂
My cousin was a lieutenant in a police dept. Cousin claimed disability, neurological problems, couldnt qualify at gun range, pain, numbness in hands. Damn internal affairs put a camera in her neighbors tree.
@@mist3rpink838 The main reason tickets are written in upper case is probably because peoples handwriting is so bad, I have seen writing in lowercase that was so bad you can't understand it .
JavPaul Settmr, former police officer here, and I would do the same thing, especially when I was a cop.
I've been though this situation and was told by my attorney it's illegal to remove one I had found on my vehicle that a private investigator put on it. I took it off and put it on a semi trailer.
That's insane you don't need to provide your stalker with your location
It's NOT illegal to remove it. It's illegal to put one on a vehicle YOU don't own. If you wife was on the title with you to the vehicle, that's the only person outside of law enforcement who can legally put a tracking device on your vehicle. Source: GF had a stalker that harrassed us over a 5 state area and talked to a lot of lawyers and DA's. Circa 2014-2015
Your attorney is wrong. It's definitely not illegal to remove a tracker a PI out on your vehicle.
Then you need a new attorney. I would remove it.
not illegal to remove it, the illegal part came when you put it on someone else's vehicle
We no longer have law enforcement, we have a modern day Gestapo.
Love the Tucker car up on the shelf (second from right for those that don't know. Oh, and watch the move Tucker with Jeff Bridges some time)
The very concept of a “confidential informant” flagrantly violates the 6th Amendment’s guarantee of a defendant’s right to confront witnesses.
Hey our President has the same problem. They just change it whisle blower.
@CharmsDad
Clearly, you're not a constitutional attorney. Your right to confront a witness against you applies to a court case. You don't have the right to confront witnesses in an investigation. It would be impossible to conduct undercover investigations if the target knows what everybody says about them.
Attorney no. Just working class stiff,. with some common sense.
@@matthewgaines10 True. But if it's used as evidence, you get to question the "witness" (i.e. "rat") [this is the whole point of witness protection: because these people MUST appear in court, they need new identities have any illusion of security.]
Matthew Gaines Your ridiculous response makes it clear you have no clue regarding the Constitution, how court cases progress, or what type of legal challenges can be brought in court.
When I lived in a far northern state I found that the police had gifted me with a tracker on my car and it ended up going across the Canadian border on an over the road truck.
That's probably what I would do with it.
dang that wouldve been fun for those cops trying to retrive it.
That is exactly what the US Supreme Court ruled. They place it on your car, they have "gifted" it to you. It is your property, not theirs, to do with as you please. The police can't claim theft as it is no longer their property.
Well, clearly when you put it on the car without telling the owner and went away, you legally abandoned it, meaning that they were in their right to take it and dispose of it
[edited for brevity]
Indiana Supreme Court: Removal of Police’s GPS Tracker on Suspect’s Vehicle Not Probable Cause of Theft, Suppression of Evidence
The Supreme Court of Indiana suppressed all evidence resulting from search warrants obtained on the basis that the sheriff’s department concluded a suspect “stole” the GPS device being used to track him when it failed to transmit its location for 10 days.
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[T]he Court found the officers did not allege sufficient facts [to allege that Heuring exercised control over the property of the sheriff’s department (the GPS tracker) and that he did so “knowingly.”]. “To find a fair probability of unauthorized control here, we would need to conclude that Hoosiers don’t have the authority to remove unknown, unmarked objects from their personal vehicles.” Thus, Heuring could not knowingly deprive the sheriff’s department of its property by removing the unlabeled, foreign object from his own truck, as he could not have known it belonged to the sheriff’s department.
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Noting that a hunch does not meet the burden of establishing probable cause [], the Court found the warrant applications amounted to no more than a “hunch” based on “noncriminal behavior.”
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In addition, the Court characterized the actions of the officers in conducting the search based on the facts presented in this case as “reckless.” The Court explained “that applying the exclusionary rule here will deter similar reckless conduct in the future.” Thus, the Court ruled that “the exclusionary rule requires suppression of all evidence seized from Heuring’s home and his father’s barn” during the initial searches of those locations, as well as all evidence seized during subsequent searches as “fruit of the poisonous tree.”
Installation without consent. Removal is perfectly legal.
Just leave it on your driveway. It's still on your property.
Only after you win in the courtroom.
Call the bomb squad for a suspicious box on your car while parked in a crowded area.
Sound like a sound plan. That way the police themselves remove the device.
Better yet wait for a court date and call it in parked next to the courthouse. I wonder how happy the judges who had to drop everything and evacuate the building for hours would be with the police when they found out it was a tracker
Maybe not a good idea. The bomb squad might perform a controlled detonation of the device while it is in place. For public safety of course.
@@OrdenJust no, theyd want to disarm it for evidence, carbombs are almost always associated with organized crime
Haaaaaaaacough
Brilliant
I agree 100%.
I have heard of the Feds putting trackers on aircraft, but they had a notice on it. If an A&P mechanic found it doing maintenance or required inspections found it, they are required to leave it in place and not inform the aircraft owner. I know of one where a guy bought the plane from an action where the plane was seized and later sold by the government and the new owner was having the required inspections done to bring the aircraft airworthy, so it was clear that it should have been removed. The trouble was it was installed in such a way to cause a hazard and the mechanic was conflicted about it and called the Feds and could not get any direction and yet he could not sign off the plane was airworthy because of it and could not inform the new owner. What a mess.
In the case you mentioned, I think the police should have caulked it up as a loss. Theft is a specific intent crime. There was no intent to commit a crime by removing a tracking device the vehicle owner did not authorize its installation. Lots of finance companies and so on install tracking devices and if you bought a used car and found one on there thinking it was from the original purchase and financing, there is nothing wrong with removing it. Why would you have to assume it was placed by the government by court order??????? Crazy.
If marked as "Property of ....", drive to their office and say "here, you can have it back" and video the exchange.
Remove it and put it on a cop car. Just returning their property.
Far better on a truck going long distance.
Why give it back? Pop it in a steel can and bury it at the beach.
Neighbor bought a used car & while changing oil found a tracker. He wasn't sure what it was at 1st & when he found out took it off. The county sheriff said he could've gotten into trouble. His reply was bring it on!
I like your neighbor!
Tell the sheriff, good luck with that. Arrest him for trespassing, tampering, and invasion of privacy.
@@Normal1855 and remind him about the next election.
Bring it on biches
Take it to the local and other news around election time.
It's old tech, but when they put a physical bug on a landline without informing you are you allowed to remove it if you found it? It's my phone. My car. Something attached to my property is forfeited by the owner in my opinion. That includes police unless the warrant is one where they may inform me and compel me to leave it like when one is compelled to wear an ankle monitor. That should also require the police to meet a higher evidentiary standard when requesting that I be compelled to allow such monitoring of my life.
Abandoned property! Trash left at one's property. In fact that they did so they should be held liable for illegal dumping.
possession is 9/10ths of the law...the police gave it to him as a gift...he removed it. its his property
I love this argument.
Sean Wilhelm it is crazy..me? i would stick it to a honey badger...or a rattle snake...something interesting...or stick it to their sergeants vehicle...
That’s a good point. If there is no property label on it, you may assume it’s a gift from an anonymous donor.
Just like those advertisers who send junk mail with some cheap “gift” inside.
When you find someone’s bug, if you are smart, it becomes a “double agent” allowing one to feed the bug owner whatever crap one wants the bug owner to know. One can have all kinds of fun.
He should just attach it to a cop car.
Someone else commented that you should just drive around and stop at a bunch of politicians houses for a few minutes each
@@archygrey9093 Genius! And you got a like for giving credit to the OP instead of just stealing it!
So what if you sell the car?
If they put a bug in my house they sure would listen to a lot of old cowboy westerns and traveling Robert and not much else except my dogs barking.
Technically the only way to do it is call law enforcement and tell them someone was messing with your car and installed something on it. When they come out have your lawyer with you.
By the way love the Tucker model you have on the bookcase
I spent 2 years in Iraq and I guarantee you I find an object on my vehicle that I didn't put on there I'm calling the police and declaring an emergency and I'm going to claim that there is a bomb attached to my vehicle. And no I'm not joking and the slightest bit to try to be sensational. As I said I spent two years on Iraq and I've seen the results of bombs that are placed on vehicles. And if there are no markings on this thing And I feel stupid enough to take it off myself I will destroy it. That is insane to think that they can just arbitrarily attach a device to my vehicle. No this is not a good thing and yes it is difficult for the police but that's the nature of the beast: You have to prove that I have done a criminal act I don't have to prove that I'm not a criminal.
Yes, if I ever find one, I'll be calling 911 to report a possible explosive device is attached to my vehicle, and the bomb squad needs to come remove it. Good thinking.
Steven Wilgus did you know this device is on your car as well, Trump had it taken off air force one, it’s the size of a quarter, it’ll crash your car by computer at another location, this is what happened to micheal hastings and Paul Walker/RIP men
Lived in Colombia, yep. I'd go through the same process.
@@johnbyrne3346 what?
I like your attitude.
And the bootlickers will be yelling "IF YOU HAVE NUFFIN TO HIDE..."
John Linde EXACTLY
John Linde: Well, if YOU have nothing to hide... Sorry. Just had to throw a funny in there at you for saying it. LOL Too funny :)
Where does one hide a NUFFIN anyway?
@@icecold9511 Nope, for our protection.
@@icecold9511 Come up with something better then that.
It’s YOUR car. If you discover that some UNIDENTIFIED entity has altered your car, you should have the right to return it to the original, and thus manufacture’s intended, specification. How do you know if that object does or does not pose a danger to you or others?
Furthermore, it is YOUR car, any entity that alters it and thus decreases its capabilities is committing theft against you. The state of Indiana should be charged with theft.
THanks for the excellent content.
I think they should rule that the subject was not served the search warrant and therefore had no obligation to leave it.
The sneak and peek or delayed notification search warrant would do side step of that argument,You can't win in a crooked game.
Cop's are stripping us of our rights, stomping them to the ground! And doing a little 💃 , knowing that the judge/policy makers or who the fk ever can get away with it. Fken pigs
It’s like telling a slave they have to keep their shackles on! If I see a chance to escape, as a Soldier I have a duty to escape! Military Training!
Does this mean I really do have to leave that f*cking tag on my mattress?
Now that's funny
n00b the mattress police will be talking to you soon lol.
🤣🤣🤣
No, you need to learn to read.
My ex wants to know if I'm having more sex then her.
Steve, as a former radio engineer I think I have a solution that is perfect. If it were me I would not remove the unit and be subject to theft. I would have left it there but covered it with an R.F. (Radio Frequency) shield that would have kept any radio signals from leaving the unit. That way, I have not "touched or modified" the tracking device. This idea would have worked even if the unit had an internal recorder because it would have been able to receive signals to indicate location. Do you think this would be a "legal work around"?
This is a perfect example of why the Supreme Court has too much power. In this particular case the Supreme Court Judge basically confirmed that they had no crime in his first comment then proceeded to show his bias after as everything following contradicted his original statement.
I have a serious problem with them being able to put one on someone's car in the first place.
For real. If we put one on someone's car it would be felony stalking.
@@ShelliLoop Someone who isn't a government thug?
What if it’s a known terrorist?
S H the Royal we man
The point that is missing - a court order / warrant is necessary and a tracker cannot be just thrown on a car without judicial oversight
A criminal involved in criminal behavior should be scared. If you’re not committing a crime - this will NEVER impact you
In today’s world you’re guilty until you can prove yourself innocent and if you don’t have the money to fight it you’re just plain guilty! 🙈
unless your a proponent Democrat.
More like Soviet "guilty until guilty".
Facts
@@RStark-ek7mh Less we forget Belarus.... ABDUCTED!
1000% TRUTH!!! That's america for you..
If I found a tracker, I wouldn't leave it at my house. There' a lot of really messed up people out there, and while it's unlikely to ever impact me personally, I believe it's good advice to not let someone who you don't know see your home address if you have the potential ability to deny them that information still. (Who knows how long the tracker has been on the car - maybe it got put there today/yesterday and tossing it now could mean they don't know where your address is).
Think of a stalker who saw you at work, came back a few times to figure out which car was yours, and then sticks an airtag/tracker on it.
In general, if law enforcement proactively choose to perform actions without identifying themselves or their property clearly to you, then I believe it is absolutely correct to be able to treat them and their property the same as if any ol' random stranger/stalker was doing it instead. The same applies for no-knock warrants. Civilians protecting themselves from unknown armed intruders are reacting on instinct based on the information available to them (or the lack of information available) and should not be considered criminals. If police want special legal protections/abilities then they should identify themselves as police.
I would argue that having an identification on the tracker doesn't matter, and that you have the right to throw away or destroy the tracker anyway, but others can correct me if they think my reasons are incorrect:
1. The person who put the tracker can put any label on the tracker.
2. The label on the tracker is not a legal notice to the car owner.
3. It's not your legal responsibility to verify who the owner is, or to retrieve and return police property to the police.
4. If you haven't been served with any warrants allowing the tracking by the police, it means you don't know you are being tracked or who is tracking you, and therefore you have no reason to assume you are being tracked legally, or by someone legally authorized to track you such as law enforcement, and having a label on the tracker doesn't change that.
Went to post office....was close to police station.... placed their own tracker on their code enforcement vehicle. Now they have a actual criminal to follow around. 🤔😂
PERFECT!!!
Chiefs car. Or better yet mayor's car
Could really mess with them and be like "I found this device on my car and I don't know what it is. Send the bomb squad right away!"
Great idea!!! Nice way to make them look stupid, I would call when everyone is outside doing lawn work to put real dumbness on display
And then the police refuse to send the Bomb squad because they know what it is.
and if they show up with the bomb squad and find out it's just a GPS tracker the police will never admit to them putting it there. They will just say they are taking it for evidence and will investigate...
Great idea until they preemptively blow up the device, on your car.
@@chriswise1232 LMAO
Seems like it would be common sense that if I found something attached to MY CAR, I should have the right to remove it. The judicial system is in need of reform.
The real answer is to notify the police when you find a tracker. If it wasn't the police, you would want to make sure someone knows before you disappear. If it was the police, they'll have to tell you and thus confirm your suspicions. Checkmate
Retired NJ Attorney here. Somehow bumped into your channel and am enjoying the hell out of your practical approach and acknowledgment that litigation is incredibly costly, time consuming, and seldom if ever satisfying.
How could I be expected to abide by something I was never informed of?
And a plain clothes officer!? He's lucky he didn't get shot!
Ignorance of the law is no excuse.
@@BlaubartMT I'm being snide.
Next time I'll add a >.>
@@JoshSweetvale Does that pertain to the police as well sisnce many of them make up laws as they go along?
@@williamengland9814 I did say I was being snide. The very phrase parodies itself.
If you ever find one of these trackers, take it off and drive to your local pizza place and attach it to a delivery drivers car. It’ll look just like someone delivering drugs and the cops will have a heck of a time investigating everyone that ordered a pizza.