In the mid 90's I was pulled over in GA a few years after I was stationed there, I'm from TN. The cop who pulled me over noticed the license was from TN and had all zeros (00-00-0000) for an expiration date. He asked how long I had been in GA and I told him a couple of years. He started raising his voice and saying I was required to get a GA license within 30 days of moving there. I kindly said that was not true due to the Soldiers and Sailors Relief Act. Then he got so boned out on the expiration date and the fact that I challenged him he arrested me for driving on an expired license, not changing my license within 30 days, not registering my car in GA within 30 days, and speeding 5-10 over. Luckily I had an advocate called a First Sergeant who got me out of jail and brought a JAG lawyer with him. After their interactions ALL charges were dropped and the police chief made the cop deliver my truck to me at the entrance and he had to take it to the car wash. Mnny laws are stupid, and sadly many more cops are more stupid.
When a cop starts yelling you know you are dealing with a bully, not a professional. Pros don't yell, they simply act according to the law. And for CIVIL violations (no crime was committed) they are especially out of line acting like that. It should be a firing offense since if they get so upset about a license plate just imagine an actual crime. I drove for almost a year without realizing my new car's registration had expired. I wasn't sent a renewal notice because the new car had been reported as sold by mistake. To make matters more interesting I was in a KIA but had re-badged it and that looked a bit like a Lexus badge. So when the cop ran the plates it came back as a KIA and he said, how is that possible since it's a Lexus? I explained the reason, he looked more closely and just gave me the expired registration ticket and away I went. He was courteous the entire time, never any issue, just as it should be. But I can imagine a bad cop hauling me out of the car with claims that I'd stolen it or something.
My dad said that cops wear their badges either over their hearts, or on their foreheads. As in the power of the badge went to his head. That cop sounds like the forehead type.
I am from Washington State and was stationed in California in the late '90s. I was heading to a mountain ski area when I was forced to stop at a snow chain inspection check point. The officer wanted to know why my Jeep wasn't registered in CA. I told him I was in the Navy and not a California resident. He immediately got an attitude and told me I needed to register my vehicle in CA. I decided it was best just to play along with him and he quickly cut me loose. It's important to remember that in the U.S. only 6.4-percent of the population are veterans. As a result, a large portion of the population, including law enforcement officers, do not have a clue about the special privileges afforded to active-duty members of the military. You were lucky enough to have a state which afforded you a vehicle registration which didn't expire. My state provided me with a driver's license which didn't expire. I had that license for more than 15-years, and only replaced it once I retired.
@@CitEnthusiast Quite a few years ago, my friend had a GMC "SAFARI" mini-van. I tried to convince him to go to the wrecking yard and get a few more letters, then re-arrange them to spell "FERRARI"! He wouldn't do it.
An interesting counter suit to this would be to charge the RMV with criminal coercion. By forcing him to register in Mass they are essentially forcing him to commit a crime in another state. (in Virginia your registration has to match your license) The coercion charge could also be argued that this action unlawfully restricts his freedom of action to his detriment. I just looked it up and the legal definition of residency in Mass is "A resident is a person who maintains a permanent place of abode in Massachusetts and spends more than 183 days of the taxable year in Massachusetts. Whether a person maintains a permanent place of abode in Massachusetts is a factual determination." I think the threats toward Ben are pretty flimsy and he should certainly retain a lawyer and counter sue for damages (time and trouble in dealing with this frivolous action)
This is key. When I stayed in another state in the northeast (not MA) for the winter to help my mom out after she moved, I would have had to register my car there if I had established residency. Establishing residency is defined as taking a new permanent job, maintaining a permanent abode, etc.. I did none of those things. Since I didn't legally establish residency, I didn't worry about it.
What about the interstate commerce act? there has to be 100's if not 1000's of tractor trailers that are afoul of that state law but are 100% in compliance otherwise.
@@TheLoiteringKid As an interstate truck owner/operator in the late 80s and early 90s, I had to report my milage in each state I drove in and paid road use fees out of my settlement to each state according to miles driven. Now, I am sure it is all done electronically. Although, I also had to have several different "authority" plates on the front of my truck.
I was a cop in California while attending college over four decades ago. Our philosophy was unless there was another traffic violation we wouldn't bother enforcing license tags at all. In patrol. versus traffic (motor cops) our primary job was to protect the public from crime, arrest those with warrants, reckless driving, and emergency traffic accident response. I remember we once pulled over an elderly man who happened to be black. He had failed to stop fully at a stop sign in a part of town that had very few cars, or people for that matter. As I approached the driver, I asked the gentleman why his tags were expired. He explained a month earlier he had lost his job and was in the process of getting another. In the meantime, he said he had to take care of his sick wife who was bedridden. He was scared we were going to give him a citation. I remember walking up and addressing the man respectfully, Sir you have enough problems and we don't want to make things any more difficult for you. We gave the man our business card with a note on the back in the event he was stopped by another officer, to show him compassion, courtesy and understanding. He was very grateful and said he would take care of it as soon as he was paid from the new job. I remember how happy he was that we didn't cite him, and since he said he was hungry, we sent him over to a locally owned diner where he could get a meal. To me, that is what a police officer should do whenever he could. The man later contacted our watch commander to thank him and let us know he finally got his tags.
Whether this is true or not, this is what America should be about! Not trying to nail others for every cent they have in a traffic fine or giving citations for ludicrous things trying to hurt these citizens. Be fair and try to help them not hurt. Thank you Alex !
In about 84 I lived in CA and worked with a girl who had relocated from IL. She drove the freeway to get to work so I assume it was the CHP saw her out of state plates and she ended up getting a ticket /demand she register sent to the IL address of record.
you are verry clearly not from the LOSD and I do apricate your report of this stop and am sure that this is how you conducted your self to everyone not just those that are fearful of your potential as documented often from those in your profession.
"Registering a motor vehicle [in Massachusetts] automatically triggers the assessment of excise, which is calculated at a rate of $25 per $1,000 of value." Damn, so that's why they do it.
I pay about 6k in property tax for my house in Massachusetts and a yearly bill of about 400 in taxes for parking my car in the driveway I pay property taxes for.
Constitutionally, Massachusetts has to recognize Virginia's registration unless residency is established. I cannot envision a Federal court allowing Massachusetts to force this. This whole situation begs the question of just how stupid have we become?
I'm not sure where the attorneys heads are in this case but it is astounding. You could strike down this application of the statute on statutory and constitutional grounds with little research.
It is even more ludicrous if Steve's explation is the full law without any carve-outs. Federal laws and international agreements supersede state law, but that wording would apply to foreigners and company vehicles as well.
You are correct.. It IS a scam. Massachusetts may be the most expensive state to own a vehicle. Title transfer 75$ registration 80$ it varies. There is a 25$ fee for this,, a 40 dollar fee for that, State inspection is 'just' 35$ PLUS all the repairs and emissions testing.. Good luck at getting out of the office for less than 300 or 400,,, plus the inspection and required repairs PLUS there is an annual excise tax on the value of your vehicle 25$ per 1,000 valuation,, payable to the city in which the car is parked. (pronounced 'pahcked') 250 to 1500 per year. And trust me,,, there are a few dozen other charges. 250 to 2000 per year is normal. THE REASON IS,, There are 120 plus schools and universities in just the Boston area. Students from all around the country and the world bring an out of state vehicle into Mass. And it used to be,, no one ever got caught. Heaven help you if you did.
That is in violation of the requirements for states to have reciprocal agreements to recognize other states registrations. It is an interference with interstate commerce. Sue in Federal Court.
I had a Massachusetts cop drive extremely reckless in rush hour traffic to chase me down and stop me for having an Alabama plate. He didn’t understand that we only have one plate on back and don’t have front plates. I still can’t believe how aggressive he was driving like a maniac trying to get to me in eight lanes of traffic at rush hour. I was a travel nurse so I wasn’t about to switch plates when I worked in several New England states and stayed at a friends in Rhode Island.
Many years ago my Father in Law was driving in Nebraska in a vehicle with Kansas plates. He got pulled over by some small town cop for not having a front plate (Kansas doesn't have front plates but Nebraska does). He almost got arrested by the Nebraska cop who refused to believe that Kansas didn't have front plates, and it wasn't until his supervisor was called out to resolve the issue. Apparently he looked at the young cop with disgust and chewed him out in front of FIL "What the f is wrong with you? Kansas don't have front plates." (apparently his supervisor was off duty and had his supper interrupted to come out and address this issue). Some cops really give the rest of them a bad name.
A few years ago, a cop pulled me over in another state because my Pennsylvania license plate didn't have a registration sticker. He embrassingly had to apologize after verifying that my state no longer issues physical registration stickers. Police can simply verify the legality of the plate by using a plate reader. The Pennsylania DOT saves millions of dollars per year by not printing and mailing out stickers. As drivers, we just download and print out our annual renewal info. I'd like to know how this Massachusetts case turns out.
I'd moved from a beach community in Southern California to Michigan to help out my parents when my Dad got a cancer diagnosis. My plate was nearly welded on bc of the salt air, so they told me I could just tape my new Mich plate in my upper left-hand rear window. I was driving my Dad home from chemo one day during a horrible snow storm & we got pulled over bc of it. The cop said it was illegal & he tried to get my old plate off, while my Dad was throwing up waiting (he couldn't do it, either). Then, he asked for my insurance. I was busy trying to help my Dad, so the cop said, "Oh, never mind". Next thing I knew, I was being fined by the city, the county, AND the STATE. Worse still, as soon as my Dad passed away we moved back to Calif. & Mich had added even MORE fines before they'd release my license! I HAD insurance at the TIME. I just thought that the cop was being nice bc my 80yr old Dad was throwing up everywhere. It ended up costing me over $4k! These ppl suck.
Craziness! I emailed the Governor of Mass and made it completely aware that this story is going to go viral and they will be losing revenue from tourism because I'll post this story on my CZcams and TikTok for others to be aware of this. I live in Vermont and use to visit for more than 2 weeks at a time. I won't anymore knowing this stupid law. I won't even go to the casino anymore. 🤷♀️🤦♀️
Back in the day when I was Driving truck I was informed my Utah driver license was suspended by the state of California when at a inspection in Colorado. Thanks to PRE PAID LEGAL SERVICES for helping. Can't believe states can get away with that crap.
When these things happen, it seems one option is calling the local news to see if they'd like to help you with some exposure and getting people of authority to look into it and bypass the red tape.
I live in Massachusetts and about twenty years ago, I had an unusual car experience. The Volvo company had a promotion. If you were visiting Sweden, you could buy a Volvo, take delivery in Sweden, drive it during your trip, turn it in at the factory in Göteborg, and they would ship it to your home in the US. There were some other reasons why this seemed like a good idea. We visited Sweden in May, and returned to the US. The Volvo was shipped to the US and arrived in New Jersey August 12. It was delivered to our home in Massachusetts the very next day, and I immediately drove to the nearest office of the Registry of Motor Vehicles to register it. I was told that I had to pay a penalty for registering it late. How, I asked, could there be a penalty for late registration if it was registered on the same day it arrived in Massachusetts? "Oh", said the clerk, "we go by the bill of sale, which is dated in May." "Well," I said, "how would I have registered it when I was in Sweden?" "We go by the date on the bill of sale." "Suppose I had bought the car twenty years ago and brought it into Massachusetts just today?" "We still go by the date on the bill of sale". "Look, I know someone who moved from Massachusetts to Florida and brought her car with her. Florida had a law that said you had to pay a sales tax when you did that? But the Supreme Court ruled that Florida could not do that. I'm not even objecting to paying a sales tax, but imposing a penalty charge seems really unreasonable. I have had my other car registered in Massachusetts that whole time." "We go by the date on the bill of sale." "May I discuss this with your supervisor?" "Yes." Supervisor: "We go by the bill of sale." I had no alternative but to pay the penalty, which was about $35. My revenge - I am still driving the Volvo. The state will not collect an auto sales tax again for as long as I can drive that car.
Porsche offers the same thing today. You can choose to take delivery at its factory and drive it while over there. Then return it, and they will ship it over to you.
Probably not worth it for $35, but sounds to me like you could take them to court. At the very least, that could be seen as falsifying government documents.
I had a friend that moved from Massachusetts to Rhode Island and he tried doing the right thing to register his car, get a RI license, etc. The people at the DMV told him that he needed such-and-such so he left and returned with it. Then they said you need this and that so he got it and returned. This happened several times and he finally told one of the woman at the RMV that he was done and would simply leave his car registered in MA and park it in his driveway because they were too difficult to deal with. The woman was like "Fine, give me the forms" and she did everything he needed. It just goes to show that these people make things difficult just because they can.
I said at the beginning here that The most important #1 qualification for employment at the Ma. Registry of Motor Vehicles is you have to have the personality of a Rattle Snake. I guess Rhode Island acquired this requirement also, or maybe it's just New England.
@@CorbinAce I lived in MA when I was a kid and had a Mustang for my summer car and a junker for my winter car so twice a year I would be down at the registry transferring plates from one to the other. I used to teach karate and one of my students worked at the RMV. I would go there on a Saturday and the line would be out the door and around the building but I'd stick my head in the door and get her attention. She'd scream "SIR... SIR??? COME ON UP" to me and people would be freaking out. She be yelling at people to shutup because I was in earlier and blah blah blah. She'd hook me up real quick and be like "get out of here before there is is a riot" since it was at least a 3 to 4 hour hour wait. Haha.
I had something very similar happen with IL. I was an Alabama resident and visited friends in Chicago. I got a parking ticket while there which I mailed payment and a self addressed envelope to have the receipt sent back to me. The cook county clerk failed to mark my ticket as paid and pull it from the docket. So unbeknownst to me I failed to appear. The judge issued a bench warrant and suspended my IL license (that I didn't even have). A year after this I tried to move back home to TN and discovered I had a valid AL but a suspended IL license so TN would not transfer my license until that was resolved. So a year after the original I learned about the warrant when I called IL to figure the mess out. I scheduled to appear before the judge and I show the receipt that it was paid and he dismissed the ticket and the warrant. He then stated I would have to pay a reinstatement fee for my IL license I never had. I then asked for clarification as I still had an AL license. He gave me a number to call the state as he didn't know how that even happened. Long story short it took 8 months of hounding IL to fix their mistake so I could transfer my license to TN.
A friend of mine had a similar experience in Kentucky. He lives in Alabama. He got a speeding ticket in KY and mailed in a money order. He got a receipt. A couple of years later, he went to renew his AL license and found he had a warrant for his arrest in KY. AL told him he had to resolve the issue with KY before they would renew his license. He still had the receipt. He called the court in KY. He was told the warrant was still active and that he was being penalized $30.00 a day which would have been around $10K. He finally was able to email a copy of the money order and the receipt. They dropped it all.
This reminds me of this Canadian visiting LA, I believe, and the LA cops would not accept his Canadian driver's license, and the cops went and pulled a dirty low-down stunt, and "issued" a make-believe license, then instantly "revoked" it, and he visited the area again, and he got pulled over again, and was illegally arrested and his sporty ride illegally impounded. This guy's lawyer was not happy about this, and I do believe he came out on top in the end.
I've seen a number of cases on CZcams where Canadian drivers were wrongly treated by very ignorant police officers. I can only hope that such cases are rare in number, and that judges are much better informed regarding resiprosity between countries and states.
What these locals do not realize, and they have a responsibility to, is that foreign drivers operating in the US, and vice versa, are covered by international treaties and agreements.
I don't think they're specifically threatening that; they're just threatening to "revoke his license", and a side effect of that is that _generally speaking_ that will cause every other state to also revoke his license. (That isn't a hard guarantee, but he does _not_ want to be going to the bureaucracy of every other state individually and asking them to not take Massachusetts' word for it that his license should be revoked.)
@@Tzizenorec correct. In general, if another state issues you a moving citation or similar violation, the state which has issued your license will also be informed. And based on that state's laws, you'll be treated accordingly.
I just say screw it trying catching when I drive through Massachusetts if you don't pay the ticket and keep going but you better have every cop on the road looking for me every single day because you never know when I'm going to pull through
A CBS news article says “However, Ben’s car insurance company informed him that he would not be able to register his car in Massachusetts because he’s not a resident and therefore is unable to get the necessary insurance policy required to register the vehicle.”
@@michaelashley2855 This kind of thinking is how rights get slowly eroded away. "It's too much bother to fight it, I'll just pay it and move on with my life." Give them an inch...
@@michaelashley2855 not really, considering issues with insurance, duplicated fees, etc. Also it isn’t likely to stop with 1 year. MA is likely to try to keep forcing a non-resident to register their car in MA for the fees year after year under threat of action against the license. What I don’t get is how MA can possibly suspend another state’s license over vehicle registration from a nonresident.
When I lived in New Hampshire many of the jobsites I worked on were located in Mass. There was not a single year in which I did not operate my vehicle in Mass. To think officials in Mass could demand I register my vehicle in a state I don't live in, yet often works in is totally nuts. Presently, I reside in a city that has what amounts to a twin city located in another state immediately adjacent to limits of the city in which I live. Literally, one can drive down one side of the street and be in one state, yet driving on the other side of the same street means operating a vehicle in the adjacent state. Many, many, many people commute for work between the two states. Even more people travel regularly between the two states to shop, recreate, or simply dine out. Were one of the two states to suddenly require the visiting driver to register in the visited state absolute chaos would surely result. Threats to suspend licenses would mean literally thousands of unlicensed drivers were such threats made good. Suspension of driver's licenses would also mean adding thousands of uninsured drivers traveling the roadways on both sides of the state line. WTF kind of sense does this make?
Reminds me😂. Virginia tried to force me to pay state income taxes because my wife, who worked there while I was in the Navy, paid taxes. They said it's all or none. Whatever. It got so bad they put a lien on the house I lived in...as a renter!! Too funny. Owner sued the crap out of them. I moved to Japan. 😂😂😂 Some states are crazy.
Yeah, I'd be calling the state I live in and pay taxes to. They're probably the ones who can tell Massachusetts to go f-off and leave their citizen alone.
Yeah, if Massachusetts doesn't back down then all of the Massachusetts police's (or perhaps DMV) license plates need to be revoked by Virginia to keep them out of the state.
My point is that there definitely are laws that require reciprocity (that's the magic word) in vehicle and driver licensing between states, and the Secretary of State's job (maybe the Attorney General) is to handle matters between states. A legal registration in state X _must_ be accepted by state Y, full stop.
absolutely, a 5-minute phone call where VA reminds MA that honoring VA's records is not a choice its legislature can make, and that it would be glad to assist its citizen if necessary
I had a friend who moved to CA and when he registered his car there they said they would send him his new license plate but it would take a while and not to worry about not having one in his car as he had the paperwork. It took THREE YEARS for them to send him the plates.
In regard to driving with expired plates in CA, when I went to update the year after my latest car registration, I realised I had never updated it the year before. The sticker was still sitting in a bag in the glove compartment. And yet despite driving regularly for that whole year, I was never once pulled over for it.
Or how many taxes they will try to collect. My mom called the place Taxachusetts when I was a kid, now I KNOW WHY! She used a tone of disdain when she memtioned it.
Indeed. States do NOT have the RIGHT nor POWER to effect Citizens OUTSIDE their state. This is what's bugging me. If he lived in Massachusetts. I could understand them applying Massachusetts laws to him. But he lives in Virginia, a DIFFERENT STATE. Massachusetts Laws about the citizens living in THEIR state should NOT apply to people living in OTHER states. Also I thought a Driving Licience was Universal. Namely, it just gives the right to drive a car. Period. Not "WHERE" you can drive it. Just the legal right to DRIVE, period. There is also the Freedom of Movement right. Massachusetts, the STATE is REFUSING this man's right to Travel between states. It does NOT matter if that travel is by foot, or by car, they can NOT legally stop him. There is a MASSIVE ammount if illegal actions and Unconstitutional Actions happening here.
When we moved to Florida in 1995 specifically Jacksonville the Jacksonville Sheriff's Department (and yes I did say Sheriff's Department as they combined the sheriff and police departments into one when years earlier they unified the City of Jacksonville with Duval County into one governing body) would on a weekly basis go through the parking lot in our office complex looking for plates just to write them up for that..
The Massachusetts tourist agency whether the arm of the government or privately run, needs to know about this because this is going to hurt tourism. I think I’ll call them tomorrow.
@@HH-ru4bj You probably ought to keep quiet about that since tourism makes your state a lot of money. "Direct spending by domestic and international visitors totaled $10.0 billion in Calendar Year (CY) 2020 Visitor expenditures supported 102,100 jobs in 2020 and $4.3 billion in wages and salaries Visitor expenditures generated $879.9 million in Massachusetts state and local tax revenue in 2020 Each dollar spent by a visitor in 2020 generated 5.7 cents in state tax receipts and 3.1 cents in local taxes State hotel room occupancy tax collections totaled $124.2 million and local option room occupancy tax collections totaled $108.8 million in FY2021 Domestic visitors accounted for approximately 93% of all visitor spending. International visitor spending accounted for approximately 7%"
In 2021, registering a normal private passenger vehicle in Massachusetts costs $60 and is good for 2 years. In MA, the Certificate of Title fee is $75. You'll also need to have your vehicle inspected, which costs $35. ========= I think we can guess why they have implemented the law. It's a shakedown.
Similar things even happen within a state... in Virginia, we have a sticker tax collected by the towns/counties/cities, but in recent years, many localities stopped issuing stickers, even though they still collect the sticker tax. I've received tickets for not having a sticker on my employer's vehicle while parked at my home, so my employer got to pay 2 separate localities their sticker tax. One based on the vehicle registration, the other based on where it's parked most of the time.
my mother had trouble getting her license in Texas because even though she had a valid DL in Nebraska, when she moved here, and have to bring in several documents, her birth certificate showed her maiden name, and her social security showed her married name. They made her come back 30 days later and bring a copy of her marriage certificate and a copy of my dad's death certificate to show that she was still her married name. She cried all the way home. Made me mad that the DMV has people who can't help the elderly who have been driving longer than most of those workers have been alive, and then pull this garbage. My wife and I helped her through and tried to be a stabilizer for her and assure her that we'd help her through it, but it still made me mad. Course if I go down there and give a piece of my mind to inept people, then I land in jail and fines, and a record.
In 2006 my wife and I owned a home in Florida as our primary residence. We owned 2 autos also registered in FL. We went on an extended auto trip of several months and while doing so we had our mail forwarded to my brother in MD. Once a week or every other week he would box it up & UPS it to us where we were at that time. Fast forward to the next calendar year. The state of MD notifies us that we were residents of the state for that year by having our mail forwarded to a MD address for a couple of months and thus owed the state - county - city income tax for our 2006 earnings. Yep. Greedy Mofos. I did inform them of the circumstances (that we never established any residence in MD) and was able to get it dropped. Governments are giant, all powerful bureaucracies with an insatiable thirst for money and no morals hindering that desire.
Did anyone ever ask *"HOW"* they knew you forwarded all your mail to the address in MD? The MD State Government had to be looking at all the mail, making lists of who is getting mail where, and then comparing it to the tax lists of who paid their local and state taxes. Who knew...
Funny but true story. This happened back in 1979. Background info. Tennessee (my residence then and now) was one of the last states to put a photo on your drivers license (1981 or thereabouts). Prior to that, it was simply a paper card that had your name, address and basic vitals (race, height, weight, eye color). Tennessee only required a rear license plate and still does. I was visiting friends in New York City, fully legal driving license and plate issued by my home state. A very young NYPD cop pulled me over and just about threw a fit because I had no front plate and insisted my no-photo driver’s license was obviously fake. Three more cops showed up in the next 10 minutes, all convinced I deserved multiple citations and should maybe be arrested! A more informed sergeant finally arrived on-scene and quietly explained to the younger cops that my Tennessee driver’s license was just fine and that not all states required front plates. Those kids were SO disappointed!
The driving license thing is understandable, NY is surrounded by states that all used photo licenses. The lacking a front plate thing is an odd thing to crank on because I dunno if Connecticut even required them back then and they would have seen plenty of CT cars in NYC.
I’m in Tennessee and I remember when photo license started, a minor was photographed sideways and that was the photo on the license and an adult was photographed face forward.
One of the curiosities I learned while on assignment in NYC was a skirmish between NY and a Florida retired couple. Part time residences in both states, NY insisted the couple pay NY state taxes. I do not know the particulars of the case. I was told it went way up in the court process. The result was that residence is established by the preponderance of nights spent in the state of claimed residency. One more day a year in Florida than in NY made them Floridians. I came to ponder this 20 years later when I became an OTR driver. Do I keep a running list of what states I slept in during a year? It's in my log book . . . But . . . Is some crazy state law going to force me to be a resident because I spent 28 overnights? Actually, no But Straight Talk cut my phone service off claiming I had moved to South Carolina. I (not so politely) told the customer service center located somewhere in India that an act of Congress allowed me to keep my phone number no matter where my company sent me. And that my legal commercial driver's license was from Utah. Did Straight Talk want federal restraint of trade lawsuit? And that my attorney was a retired Judge. I still think the kindest person I ever knew in Utah was Earl
In Ca. it's only 10 days, and - - get this - - applies even if you have NOT moved there! I was doing some consulting for Polycom (they make those triangular speakerphones in all the corporate conference rooms throughout America) in San Jose, when I was cited for this. And in California, the citation isn't for not changing over to the California license: they ticket you for UNLICENSED operation - a MISDEMEANOR [not a traffic infraction] - as if you had no license at all! And I had a completely clean & valid license from Florida at the time. So, imagine that, a CRIMINAL charge that is based entirely on, essentially, disregarding the sovereignty of the other 49 states in the Union. It was also a CRIMINAL charge based only on my own testimony. This is just a shake-down for cash from unsuspecting visitors. So consultants, students, all out-of-state visitors beware: the correct answer to "How long have you been in California?" is always, "I just pulled in last night, officer."
They trust that you won't come back for the court date. If you did, you would be able to just point out that you wouldn't be able to fulfil the insurance requirements of registration, so therefore have literally no ability to comply with said bogus law.
There was video a while back of a guy from Canada being ticketed and threatened with tow away because he was visiting California on holiday with a Canadian Driving Licence. The Officer was adamant you could only drive in California on a USA Licence. He was on holiday and had to go to the Police HQ and register a complaint and get the ticket wiped.
Yep, it's probably the guy with the Lambo or what ever. He videos it all . The cops insist he has to have a California license and registration. They also ticket or try to ticket him for not having a factory exhaust . He does . He asked them if the know what an exhaust for his car looks like . They also lose their minds because the car is registered to his company. I know he has filed at least one lawsuit which he probably won. It was a pretty easy one to win plus ,he has money for lawyers
My state also has a 30 day law, though it is consecutive. A couple years back the mayor in my town announced a massive enforcement effort after claiming to have received a flood of complaints from residents about cars with out of state plates. Note: My town borders another state, so you know, out of state plates aren't exactly uncommon. They were going to have officers making daily rounds noting what cars were parked in what driveway. This was shortly before primaries. The incumbent mayor lost badly and we never heard about the supposed enforcement again.
So he did that when he was close to re election? Sounds like the dumbest mayor ever. Not sure how he wouldn’t have known that it was going to harm his re election chances
Virginia it's 30 consecutive days. Fairfax county tries to crack down on it from time to time. The problem is how do they prove that the car wasn't driven over the bridge into Maryland or DC during that time? I have a car registered at my vacation home in MD. It makes the trip there or to my Mom's in MD at least once a month.
The "c" word caused deficits in municiple budgets even before many gvmnt employees gave themselves handsome raises for all of their *demic suffering enforcing and finger wagging their constituents at the behest of their governmental big brothers and sisters. They decided to run tons of these safety and licensure enforcements. Coincidently, only those with the most promising revenues. There was some scandal with one of my local city officials, and they demoted him to Parks and Rec management with a raise that nets him $106,000 a year.
Virginia sent me a thing for back due registration on a car I hadn't owned in 10 years once. Once I told them that and that I was happy to fly in and go to court, I never heard from them again.
Last time I checked Massachusetts does NOT have any jurisdiction in Virginia or any other state. File a suit for malicious prosecution. Right to travel in Massachusetts and driver’s license removed? Hmmm that’s also a violation of civil rights under the 14th amendment. Sounds like a nice federal law suit now
Sounds like Massachusetts really doesn’t want ANY tourism or commerce coming into their state. Because I’m sure a lot of people hearing about this is going to cause them to rethink travelling to or through them.
Seriously. Hell, if I were in a position of power with my state and found out a neighboring state was doing this to my constituents, I'd start warning people in my state to avoid going through or visit that state if at all possible, because they have and enforce a law that in my eyes does something they do not have the right or authority to do to visitors. Or at least should not have the authority to do. Like mess with my people I mess with your economy. Want that tourism revenue? Play nice with everybody else. Then again, that's probably why I'm not a politician. God forbid there exist a politician in office that might actually do something useful or helpful. Or moral. But I digress.
I live on Martha's Vineyard and as you'd imagine, in the summertime there's almost nothing but out of state plates when people come to their vacation homes for MONTHS at a time. There's an older gentleman down the street from me who's too old to commute anymore and he's being driving around on FL plates for maybe 3 years now. MA's laws are outrageous but people need to mind their own business.
I moved to Michigan from Pennsylvania about 30 years ago to attend school. I intended to return to Pennsylvania after graduation. I kept my PA plates and license for about three years without any problems. I got a job in Michigan, got married and decided to stay there. That’s when I switched my license and plates.
Many years ago, I was a cop in Santa Fe, NM. I made a traffic stop for speeding on a vehicle with out of state plates. I cited him for expired registration and expired driver’s license. When we went to municipal court, the Judge threw it out. The Judge stated that we could not enforce the laws of a different state. Thank you, your honor, you have just made my job a lot easer.
In va you can be ticketed for expired registration with an out of state plate, instead of an “expired registration” ticket it’s a “improper display of license plate” ticket.
@@extremerc76 surely you can then argue that it's a catch-22 since you're not allowed to display no plate, and you don't meet the requirements to get the other state's plates...
Thanks Steve instead of booking our campsite in Massachusetts during our New England trip this summer we will spend longer in New Hampshire. More money for New Hampshire businesses, less for Massachusetts.
I have a 40+ year old set of plates on my 1965 Mustang and realized the plate readers don’t read that old number combination. It’s an older system, fewer numbers/letters. Haven’t put new tags on it in years. And now I’ve realized that these automatic plate readers have made cops lazy, they don’t look around much anymore, they wait for the audio cue from their computer to look up and it shows them what car on their targeting software.
Was recently travelling through a certain southern state. I got pulled over because the sticker on my tag said Nov 2022. He was writing me up for driving with an expired tag. I told him that my province no longer uses stickers. He gave me grief for 30 minutes. I asked if he had actually run my plates to confirm they are expired. He came back sheepishly and told me to have a nice day. At least he didn’t PIT me.
Province? BC I'm guessing? BC stopped issuing license plate decals starting May 2022. People I know who work at car dealerships and auto insurance told me to remove all the expired decals completely to avoid any hassle when heading south. But I'm wondering if they will also hassle you if you have NO decal now...
That’s funny because like 5 years ago, I legit drove around with an expired plate for 3 years in my own state. I never got stopped. And when I finally went to update my registration I had to reregister my car and get a whole new plate.
Ontario has also eliminated annual renewal stickers. I scraped off my old ones in case a NY PA or NJ (where I often drive) officer is bothered by the old dates. Better to show nothing.
In the mid 1990s I was in California serving in the US Air Force. I got pulled over while turning into military family housing. My license plate light was out, but I was questioned as to why I had an out of state plate. I told him that I was USAF, gestured to the base sticker in the windshield and told him I was in California temporarily. A low level of harassment, but harassment none the less.
@Joshua Skinner well ok, that sounds probable. And to the point you made at the end of your last comment, I think the career enticement of warranted or unwarranted harassment of any civilian they see driving down the road has to stop. I mean we're all just bigger humans playing the same games we did as children. The girl who cheated playing the bank during Monopoly or the boy who still tried to tag you once you were safe on base can't be allowed to win the games as adults, we certainly didn't let that shit fly as kids.
Massachusetts is so needy for money that this is common. Moved out of the state in September and changed over my license and insurance. Got a notification that my registration was revoked because of not insured in state. Sent me a tax bill for the car for the following year.
Something similar happened to me way back when i was 17 and moved to N.C. to live with my dad. I actually went to the DMV to get a N.C. license and I handed them my previous states license and a current insurance card when they said ok well sit down and well take your picture for the new license. They took the picture and printed out a new either temporary or permanent license and literally handed it to me when another DMV employee ask me for my drivers education slip or whatever its called. I said I dont know what that is and they both looked at me as if I were lying or something. Then one said in N.C. you have to take drivers education in school for so long or you can pay for it yourself and classes can take 6 months to a year or you will have to wait till your 18 birthday to drive. I said I understand that why this is in place but you should understand that I will be 18 in 3 months and I've been actually driving legally for almost 3 years without any type of accident so it doesn't make sense for me to have to wait or pay any additional money. They refused so I ask for my previous license back and told them I would be keeping those and most likely returning to my home state if this is the type of unreasonable crap I would have to put up with in this state. Needless to say I finished the school year there and went back to my home state and dad moved here not long after.
According to the RMA, the vehicle has to be permanently based in Massachusetts in order for this to apply. Also, how can someone even register a vehicle in a state where they have no proof of residency?
This is exactly right. A quick browsing of their website shows that you must prove you reside in the state to register your vehicle. I hope he goes to the DMV and tells them he does not reside in the state but he would like to register his vehicle and record the interaction as the person behind the counter vehemently denies him service because he cannot register an out-of-state vehicle.
3/27/23...COPS + JUDGES + STATES DON'T CARE! THEY ARE BLEEDING OUT $+ MUST CHARGE EVERY "SUCKER" THEY CAN FIND! PLUS THEY HAVE FREE LAWYERS---THE "SUCKERS" DON'T!
It's also common for people to have multiple properties in multiple states. Most states have the language PRIMARY RESIDENCE when determining where to register vehicles.
There are many states you can register a vehicle without having residency. This is used to the benefit by some people and business and to the benefit of the government by other states. Getting a drivers license in a state usually requires residency and some states have very lacks laws for residency. Many New York people have a vehicle licensed in Florida to them; they store when not in Florida. People try the Montana one often but South Dakota has the most vehicles licensed to out of state people. I could see if he spent extended time in Mass. every year they would require him to register the vehicle. But if he spent less than half a year there they will have a tough time forcing residency.
The license plate is just the first step. Once they get him to register his car there, they’ll consider him a state resident and then they’ll come chasing after him for income taxes!
I moved to Florida one January and brought my motorcycle. In the state I moved from, motorcycle plates expired in February of the year after the year on the plate, but in Florida they expired on the owner's birthday in the year on the plate. I was riding my motorcycle in Florida in April, with a now-expired plate when a cop pulled me over and asked if I knew why he'd stopped me. I replied "because I have an out of state plate?", knowing it was expired. He said, "No, is because your our of state plate is expired." I explained how it worked differently in the state the plate was issued, pulled out my registration and showed him that it expired the February after issuance. He was so surprised that he didn't notice that i the registration was still expired. He apologized for stopping me and told me to have a nice day. I transferred the title and registered my motorcycle in Florida the next day.
Then they'll add the caveat that he'll need a MA license for the registration, which he won't have because he's not a state resident. And if for some miracle they do let him get a MA license his VA license is forfeited for the MA license like the registration. What a mess.
@@sparkyUSA1976 That's a good one - voting rights. You could vote twice for president and once for each state's congress and senate candidate. Just set up a mail drop in MA for MA voting.
I lived in MA for about 17 years and knew a lot of people who commuted to jobs in MA but lived in NH. Same for RI, CT, VT, or even Maine. What’s scary, is that they could easily track this activity through the EZ Pass system. What a nightmare of a state. I go out of my way to drive around MA when visiting my kids in NH.
Several years ago my now ex-girlfriend and I were on a road trip to see the country. A crisis at home in Minnesota came up and we had to end our sight seeing and get back home to take care of the problem, and planned to complete our tour of the the remaining states we had not been to including Mass. We broke up before travelling back to visit the remaining states so going to Mass did not happen, and after hearing this story, I am glad that we did not go back because to even see a small amount of any state takes more than just a few hours or just driving through it and only seeing what is visible out the car windows along a highway or freeway. I would not want to even enter a state with such ridiculous laws because it would be likely that something seen would be a reason to stop somewhere or there would be the need of gas in the car, something to eat or drink, or there might be toll roads in the state and it may sound crazy but I refuse to spend even 1 cent there that would go to that states govt even if it would only be the taxes on any money I would spend there. Not that I was going to finish seeing the remaining states anyway since I can no longer travel due to my disabling spinal problems.
@@patfrederick7327 Yep, liberalism is well known known for causing strict driving laws. Biden, Obama, and Gore screwed up the weather too. You can only trust anonymous chat bots. Thank YHWH there are patriots such as yourself not interfering with anything.
Where does he 'claim' to pay his taxes? Where is he registered to vote? Utility bills? Make copies of all of that and send it to them. It's those things that can help establish your residence. Make them do the work, though, remember it is up to the government to prove you violated the law.
I don't think he needs to do anything. Massachusetts has no jurisdiction over him, so they are not in a position to dictate anything to him. And they can't bar him from the state because he has a constitutional right to travel, and every state is mandated by law to accept another state's drivers licences.
This is just a perfect example of some of the ridiculous laws in this country. This is the kind of thing that I think about when someone is adamant that they want to be a tough prosecutor and prosecute every crime. That would be fine if none of the laws were ridiculous.
usually when people want "tough on crime" they mean like robberies, murder, sexual assault, they could care less about "missing liscense plate stickers"
As a certain much-maligned author pointed out, the Government has no power over law-abiding citizens. So, Government creates a situation where, in order to exist from day to day, you are forced to break the law on a regular basis. Then any time you step out of line they can come down on you with both jackboots.
This is a perfect example of why I hate term "law abiding citizen." I'd prefer something more along the lines of 'Abide a government that abides the Constitution citizen.' Following laws just because they say they're laws is what's got us into this fight over whether 2A can be infringed or not. Does the government give you a ticket for not wearing a seat belt because they care for you? Do they unconstitutionally expand their authority by passing a law telling you it's for your health..?
Thank you SO much for pointing out this state that I need to just stay away from. I have no need to be anywhere near a place with a ridiculous requirement like this.
I moved to Florida 17 years ago. We updated everything appropriately after arriving. In 17 years I’ve never been pulled over, stopped or other wise involved with officials. I’ve actually heard “Snowbirds” bragging about living here for decades on plates bought in other states and never a problem. Looks like Florida knows who “ butters their bread”.
Steve. I was pulled over by the Missoula Montana County Sheriff in 1982. My home was in Central Washington (Wenatchee). I was starting my career operating restaurants. The first one I opened was 9:50 in Missoula. The deputy had seen my car in town “for some time”. My situation was similar to the subject of your post. I was given a warning for the plate. The deputy agreed with my opinion of the situation. I explained Montana would require me to turn in my existing driver license and plate on the car before issuing me Montana paperwork. I asked him what he recommended. “I duh know”. I never heard about it again. Oh, I opened 14 restaurants in four northwestern states. I retired in 2011.
Steve, you might take a look at that Massachusetts statute. It appears they are misapplying it. They could (crazy but true) cite him for failure to register in the year he was there, but they can't require him arbitrarily to register in subsequent years. That would be like telling someone, "I know you moved to Florida, but you once lived in Massachusetts, so you must register here." Also, there's a good chance it violated full faith and credit because he was licenced in his legal domicile.
The state of Ma. is after some excise tax money. I live here, they are a greedy bunch. The Demonrats that control Ma. never met a tax they didn't like. A good lawyer should be able to shut them down. They are nothing but shysters looking for a quick payday. If they get it, he will spend hundreds or thousands getting it reversed in the courts. This is how they operate. I don't recommend that ANYBODY move here. If I could afford to move out, I would.
I moved from California to the state of Washington. Years later, California still wants me to update my California registration even though the vehicle is registered in Washington and never drives on California roads.
Communists in control don't care, they just want revenue Their may/or is ccp - tell ya anything!!! But then again, so is mitch McConnell's wife[daughter of a shipping magnate for the ccp][and her daddy enlarged turtles bank account overnight by 55mil] Who is he working for???
People who have multiple domiciles are generally exempt. I understand what happened. He was ticketed, say in January and then ticketed again in March so they look at that as if he were there during this whole time period which exceeds their minimum. It doesn't take into account dual residences which most states will let slide. He better pay what little parking tickets he does owe and sell that car.
I'm 71 years old, the laws by Which we live , have become a nightmare in recent years, we now live in a crazy world, lucky for me my days are limited in this crazy world.
@kingdomfor1: I agree. I'm 60 and I grew up in what was a free country (i.e. the USA). LEO tyrants and left-wing politicians are turning the USA into Nazi Germany. "Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it." We're currently going down the well+travelled road to Hell! 🤬
if your days are limited to need to make sure you connect with the Lord; John 3:3 states Except you be born again (christian), you will not see the Kingdom of God.
Moved from AZ to CA (kind of back and forth…) in 2003 and someone had stolen my front AZ plate…or it fell off, Idk. Anyway CA DMV makes you turn in your plates when you register fro out of state, like most states. OMG, I thought the clerk was going to make me take a polygraph! She kept asking me where the other plate was. FuckifIknow! She all but said they’d be sending the FBI by my house to check it out! I went home and told my wife to bury her license plate collection (which included one of her past AZ plates….not mine!) and to draw the curtains! That sad thing is, I could have re-registered AZ and not had to mess with the more stringent smog crap because a friend had moved to our old address.
Oooh yes that's an excellent idea. If someone in charge of that stuff there hears about it, it would be insane if they didn't get pissed off at the boneheads responsible. Part of me figures they would be out for blood against those responsible.
I had a friend who drove his motorhome all over the continental US for more than a decade with expired PA tags and no PA inspection. At the time, he claimed that the lack of inspection was a "Pennsylvania matter" that non-Pennsylvania police can't enforce. When he was pulled over (for bad driving) and the Florida police officer noted his tags were expired, my friend told the police officer that he was on a 48 state tour and hasn't been home for years and years. The Florida police officer cited him for the bad driving, but not the expired tag.
I live in Oregon. I can't imagine them having a law that would apply to each and every Washington state driver that lives in Vancouver but works in Portland. Washington would pitch a fit. I can't imagine how people in New Hampshire or Vermont right next to the border would have to do this for Taxachusetts. What the hell?!?
@@TheRealMrPeach it's funny. I grew up in NH, and we had a low opinion of MA, and an even lower opinion of people who specifically moved in from MA and brought their MA voting habits with them (considering those voting habits are how MA ended up so shitty to begin with) But, when I left New England, I felt a similar joy. That whole part of the country just sucks. Full of snooty assholes who look down upon everyone who doesn't appear to have lots of money, and can't keep their noses out of others' business. Alabama didn't work out, but now I live in the central-upper Midwest, and short of moving out to the mountain west somewhere (except Colorado, too expensive now) I doubt I'll ever make a significant move again. It may not be as pretty, but the people out here are so much more laid back. One thing's for sure, I'll almost certainly never live in New England or even the Northeast in general ever again.
@@lt1caprice57l Hey, cut me some slack, i was only 23 and starting a small family. Mass taxes were not to my liking and i wasn't big on voting at the time. Also, making gross generalizations based on a small sample is absurd.
I spent nearly 2 years in CA taking care of my elderly mother, yet had my vehicle licensed & registered & was voting in OR. On the way home, after winding up my mother's estate, A CA cop asked me why I didn't have CA plates. I told him the story & he condoled me instead of writing up a ticket!!
I worked down in Kentucky for several months in the Winter of 83/84, never changed my plates, never was questioned about it. Plus, I got a speeding ticket (my last one EVER), and the cop never brought it up.
It blows my mind that someone can say those words out loud and look at you with a straight face. Like....there is probably 8 people in the WHOLE country that thinks that makes sense. How can someone be so.... just oblivious.
One of my coworkers had a similar experience. His son lives in Massachusetts and he would fly into our office there every 2 months for a week or so. He got a ticket over a decade ago visiting his son. He was ordered by the court to maintain two separate registrations, plates, and the court even ordered him to have a Massachusetts drivers license. His residence is in Florida. So he actually has a Massachusetts ID with a Florida address on it. It has caused him a ton of issues, every few years the state sends tax officials after him because he isn’t paying his Massachusetts income tax and property taxes; but he has a binder full of paperwork, court orders, letters from various state departments, etc that he always uses to get out of it. He appealed the original courts ruling, but it was upheld. Of course I asked if he has ever voted twice… he refuses to answer. Oh and yea Massachusetts loves it reciprocity relationship agreements, they will totally send notice to the other state if he doesn’t register, keep it active, etc.
I'm shocked that this is allowed to happen. Imagine if Florida did that to everyone who visited Disney World for a few weeks out of the year. Or imagine if two states did that to each other. And trying to make him pay income tax to a state he neither lives in nor works in every few years probably costs the state more money than the license registration cost so I really don't see the point. Plus, well, you can't be compelled to pay income taxes in a state you neither live in nor work in.
Everything governmental in New York State is a total friggin' nightmare. It's not just NYC, the toxic mentality applies statewide. Currently having lots of negative experiences in the wild west in Western New York State.
Pray that God-Emperess Hochul doesn't hear about this- she'll send a "message of necessity" to the lickspittle Legislature, and it'll be law within a week.
Don't give them any ideas. The Adirondacks are my happy place. I usually spend a long weekend a month from May to October, and a week in August there. That alone could make it 30 days in the state. I don't need the hassle of new licence plates on top of paying the out of state resident fees for using state campgrounds.
I worked in New Hampshire and had an apartment in Massachusetts a number of years ago for one year but my house was located in Maryland. I never registered in Massachusetts and never had this problem.
I visited some friends in San Diego for a couple of months. CA sent a letter (to my actual home, in NM) stating that I was required to register my car. I called the number on the letter, that my roommate read to me, and said, "Hey, look, I got this letter, but... I don't *live* in CA. I live in NM. At the address you mailed the letter to. I still pay rent there. All of my stuff is there. I'm just visiting." They said, "OK. Have a nice visit." and that was the end of it. CA is insane, but clearly MA is even worse.
He absolutely needs to keep fighting this! ... But I wonder, how could he even register his vehicle there anyway? Everything I've ever registered a vehicle in my state, they always required a local in state address. He obviously doesn't have that, so how could he register a vehicle there?
I was born in Massachusetts, and grew up in Connecticut just a few miles from the border with Mass., where I have lived for nearly 60 years. I even worked in Massachusetts for five years while living in Connecticut and...not only did I never get a Mass. registration...I never even heard of such a law! We here in Connecticut refer to Massachusetts as "Taxachusetts"...and hearing this story just gives us one reason more for doing so!
One of the biggest issues with this is you normally have to prove some legal presence in a state to register your vehicles there. That’s kind of hard to do if you’re only visiting.
Even harder when you just commute through like so many thousands of people probably do every day. At least staying with family for a month the state might argue to use your family's address. What does a commuter do for an address? The interchange of these two highways?
Which it is questionable that he was only visiting...I think he was living there with his own place and getting mail...thats enough to be reqauired to register.
Many Canadians have been restrained in the USA because they say our licenses are not valid. I was a truck driver and in the early 90s drove from Ontario Canada to places all over the USA and several times I was told my license was not valid, so I called the marshals, they would show up and inform the folks, that the USA does have an agreement that we Canadians can drive anywhere in the USA with our Canadian License. There is a famous case where a woman was driving from Florida back to Ontario, Canada, and going through Georgia, was pulled over and spent a week in jail for having an Ontario License. She sued the State of Georgia and won several million dollars
The fact that this was all descended from a PARKING ticket is just unbelievable. They have no idea that this vehicle wasn't actually there TWICE - on two different days - visiting the same person two different times, parking only overnight. I would advise the state of Virginia's motor vehicle bureau of this malpractise.
They have that law due to "Visitors" who will commute to a state/city to work and have an apartment to live in in said state/city while declaring they "live" somewhere else. The "Commuter" will come in during the week and leave for the weekend. The City of Alexandria in Virginia has that issue and has lost a lot of revenue due to it.
The legal issues with dual registrations for law enforcement would be an absolute nightmare. When they run a plate it comes back to a car. If they check the vin it will come back to either plate. Their fisrt assumption would. Be a stolen plate.
This exact same happened to me when I went to school at ft devins Massachusetts for two month course back in the late 80's when I was sent on orders from ft bragg where I lived. It took the US Military JAG to get the assholes off my back and stop the threats of suspending my license.
@@charlebrownga I want to point out something today we get more than 50% of our oil from Canada. From the 90s to 2000 opec and person gulf supplied about 50% of our oil. Since the peak they have dropped to the low single digits. Most of the wars fought over there might have been about saving the oil. yet in the last 20 years we moved from buying from them to buying local. We could 100% stop buying from everyone and produce as much as we need with what we have right now or we could just buy 100% from Canada. Couple other things to consider is the shutting down of the pipelines which likely would have made the cost of fuel cheap. Also buying 100% from canada could make the price stable and low. Because we would not need to worry about market price. Sell the us all the oil it needs then sell off the extras to make profit. Would have worked great for everyone.
I was born and raised in the N end of Idaho, I'm 75. When I was young guys needing work would go over to Noxon or Libby, etc, MT and get work at the mills. The MT state cops would sit at the exit to the parking lot at quitting time and write up ANYBODY without a MT plate. Growing up, it was common to see vehicles in town with ID plates as well as a MT plate stuck up in the rear window. Frankly I think all this is illegal.
I was pulled over in Texas, because my new car from California (where I lived) because I did not have paper plates on my car, just the temp Registration from the dealer in my back window. CA doesn't have paper plates, so we argued. His supervisor showed and let me go free of charge.
There are some videos from a exotic car enthusiast youtuber from Vancouver B.C. Canada, getting pulled over in California, issued a ticket because he "didn't have a california drivers license" which the idiot cop asserted he absolutely had to have in California, even if just visiting. He thought the situation was quashed when he went to the stations and spoke with a Sgt......Nope a few months later, finds out California issued him a temporary license, so they could proceed with tickets and charges, and convicting in absentia. Absolutely insane.
People from Michigan would live in Florida for 5 months of the year, purchase a car in Florida, and then register it online in Massachusetts. I kept seeing all these Massachusetts plates in key west, when I asked someone, they said it was quick and easy to register in Massachusetts online, and you dont have to be a resident of that state
When I lived in Omaha NE, the cops used to hang out in my apartment parking lot watching for out of state plates. Part of the problem was that Nebraska vehicle registration fees were insanely high compared to every other state; something like $400 vs the $40 it cost me in my own state. But one great thing about Omaha is Iowa Western Community College... they gave in-state tuition to Omaha residents and it was cheaper than the DMV.
Steve. In 1980, I moved to a neighboring province in Canada. After about 6 weeks, I stopped by an RCMP station and asked when I had to get that province's plates as I had lived here for 6 weeks, now. No kidding...he looked me, an 21 year old male, and said, "30 days and you were never here."..then he smiled and said, "Have a nice day". I got my new plates the next day.
@@patfrederick7327 Hey, those truckers were protesting because the USA, yes the USA, required them to have a vaccine to enter in the USA! A USA regulation. Since they were not exactly 100 watts, they took it out out on their fellow Canadians. I hope some day someone parks a 18 wheeler in front of your place and honk a locomotive horn 24/7 for a few weeks to protest a Canadian regulation and see how much sympathy you have for them! The horn thing went on even after a court issue an order for it to stop. The only people that were persecuted and had their rights trampled were not the truckers, but the people living in downtown Ottawa. As for "Canada being almost a communist country", it is ridiculous. You obviously don't know what communism or even socialism is.
@@patfrederick7327 Uh, the US has pretty much the same laws about language. But instead of it being related to french *and* english, it's just english so you never noticed before. But yes, having laws definitely makes it a communist country. That's definitely a good use of the one language you know.
In the mid 90's I was pulled over in GA a few years after I was stationed there, I'm from TN. The cop who pulled me over noticed the license was from TN and had all zeros (00-00-0000) for an expiration date. He asked how long I had been in GA and I told him a couple of years. He started raising his voice and saying I was required to get a GA license within 30 days of moving there. I kindly said that was not true due to the Soldiers and Sailors Relief Act. Then he got so boned out on the expiration date and the fact that I challenged him he arrested me for driving on an expired license, not changing my license within 30 days, not registering my car in GA within 30 days, and speeding 5-10 over. Luckily I had an advocate called a First Sergeant who got me out of jail and brought a JAG lawyer with him. After their interactions ALL charges were dropped and the police chief made the cop deliver my truck to me at the entrance and he had to take it to the car wash. Mnny laws are stupid, and sadly many more cops are more stupid.
When a cop starts yelling you know you are dealing with a bully, not a professional. Pros don't yell, they simply act according to the law. And for CIVIL violations (no crime was committed) they are especially out of line acting like that. It should be a firing offense since if they get so upset about a license plate just imagine an actual crime.
I drove for almost a year without realizing my new car's registration had expired. I wasn't sent a renewal notice because the new car had been reported as sold by mistake. To make matters more interesting I was in a KIA but had re-badged it and that looked a bit like a Lexus badge. So when the cop ran the plates it came back as a KIA and he said, how is that possible since it's a Lexus? I explained the reason, he looked more closely and just gave me the expired registration ticket and away I went.
He was courteous the entire time, never any issue, just as it should be. But I can imagine a bad cop hauling me out of the car with claims that I'd stolen it or something.
My dad said that cops wear their badges either over their hearts, or on their foreheads. As in the power of the badge went to his head. That cop sounds like the forehead type.
cop should have been desk jobbed from then on, if not fired... treatinag aus service men station in the state adversely can cause problems..
I am from Washington State and was stationed in California in the late '90s. I was heading to a mountain ski area when I was forced to stop at a snow chain inspection check point. The officer wanted to know why my Jeep wasn't registered in CA. I told him I was in the Navy and not a California resident. He immediately got an attitude and told me I needed to register my vehicle in CA. I decided it was best just to play along with him and he quickly cut me loose. It's important to remember that in the U.S. only 6.4-percent of the population are veterans. As a result, a large portion of the population, including law enforcement officers, do not have a clue about the special privileges afforded to active-duty members of the military. You were lucky enough to have a state which afforded you a vehicle registration which didn't expire. My state provided me with a driver's license which didn't expire. I had that license for more than 15-years, and only replaced it once I retired.
@@CitEnthusiast Quite a few years ago, my friend had a GMC "SAFARI" mini-van. I tried to convince him to go to the wrecking yard and get a few more letters, then re-arrange them to spell "FERRARI"! He wouldn't do it.
An interesting counter suit to this would be to charge the RMV with criminal coercion. By forcing him to register in Mass they are essentially forcing him to commit a crime in another state. (in Virginia your registration has to match your license) The coercion charge could also be argued that this action unlawfully restricts his freedom of action to his detriment. I just looked it up and the legal definition of residency in Mass is "A resident is a person who maintains a permanent place of abode in Massachusetts and spends more than 183 days of the taxable year in Massachusetts. Whether a person maintains a permanent place of abode in Massachusetts is a factual determination." I think the threats toward Ben are pretty flimsy and he should certainly retain a lawyer and counter sue for damages (time and trouble in dealing with this frivolous action)
And your best evidence is that they sent the letter to your Va. address there by admitting that you live in Va. Steve would this fly ??
This is key. When I stayed in another state in the northeast (not MA) for the winter to help my mom out after she moved, I would have had to register my car there if I had established residency. Establishing residency is defined as taking a new permanent job, maintaining a permanent abode, etc.. I did none of those things. Since I didn't legally establish residency, I didn't worry about it.
What about the interstate commerce act? there has to be 100's if not 1000's of tractor trailers that are afoul of that state law but are 100% in compliance otherwise.
Sy Bernot: You cannot sue another state as a non-resident unless you have that state's permission. Catch-22.
@@TheLoiteringKid As an interstate truck owner/operator in the late 80s and early 90s, I had to report my milage in each state I drove in and paid road use fees out of my settlement to each state according to miles driven. Now, I am sure it is all done electronically. Although, I also had to have several different "authority" plates on the front of my truck.
I was a cop in California while attending college over four decades ago. Our philosophy was unless there was another traffic violation we wouldn't bother enforcing license tags at all. In patrol. versus traffic (motor cops) our primary job was to protect the public from crime, arrest those with warrants, reckless driving, and emergency traffic accident response. I remember we once pulled over an elderly man who happened to be black. He had failed to stop fully at a stop sign in a part of town that had very few cars, or people for that matter. As I approached the driver, I asked the gentleman why his tags were expired. He explained a month earlier he had lost his job and was in the process of getting another. In the meantime, he said he had to take care of his sick wife who was bedridden. He was scared we were going to give him a citation. I remember walking up and addressing the man respectfully, Sir you have enough problems and we don't want to make things any more difficult for you. We gave the man our business card with a note on the back in the event he was stopped by another officer, to show him compassion, courtesy and understanding. He was very grateful and said he would take care of it as soon as he was paid from the new job. I remember how happy he was that we didn't cite him, and since he said he was hungry, we sent him over to a locally owned diner where he could get a meal. To me, that is what a police officer should do whenever he could. The man later contacted our watch commander to thank him and let us know he finally got his tags.
Thats awesome. Youre the 1%
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Whether this is true or not, this is what America should be about! Not trying to nail others for every cent they have in a traffic fine or giving citations for ludicrous things trying to hurt these citizens. Be fair and try to help them not hurt. Thank you Alex !
In about 84 I lived in CA and worked with a girl who had relocated from IL. She drove the freeway to get to work so I assume it was the CHP saw her out of state plates and she ended up getting a ticket /demand she register sent to the IL address of record.
you are verry clearly not from the LOSD and I do apricate your report of this stop and am sure that this is how you conducted your self to everyone not just those that are fearful of your potential as documented often from those in your profession.
"Registering a motor vehicle [in Massachusetts] automatically triggers the assessment of excise, which is calculated at a rate of $25 per $1,000 of value." Damn, so that's why they do it.
I pay about 6k in property tax for my house in Massachusetts and a yearly bill of about 400 in taxes for parking my car in the driveway I pay property taxes for.
@@rolanddeschain965
Park your car in your neighbors driveway so they have to pay it. 😝
@@rolanddeschain965 400 for parking in your driveway what a scam
I feel for you it's the same in CT. 5k a year tax for a 1000 square foot house plus the cars. My brothers Ford truck is around $1800 tax par year.
@@rolanddeschain965Double taxation and illegal... someone should file a lawsuit over that.
This seems like something you *_should_* be able to get an injunction against, but unfortunately bureaucrats aren't human.
Not even close
Equitable relief is always fought as being an "extreme remedy" but this is an extreme situation.
They will probably require the poor guy to exhaust his administrative remedies before an injunction is even entertained too :O
The injunctive relief may be in federal court as this appears to be an interference with interstate commerce.
This is what you get when you leave vehicle registration up to states.
Constitutionally, Massachusetts has to recognize Virginia's registration unless residency is established. I cannot envision a Federal court allowing Massachusetts to force this. This whole situation begs the question of just how stupid have we become?
Well it's democrat run.
I'm not sure where the attorneys heads are in this case but it is astounding. You could strike down this application of the statute on statutory and constitutional grounds with little research.
Have you seen the movie “idiocracy”? We just about there in some places.
@@totallyjonesin Right, because nothing stupid like this ever happens in Republican run states...
Federal court: It's a state matter. Next.
How can another state suspend your license because they want you to register your out of state vehicle? I smell a scam.
It is even more ludicrous if Steve's explation is the full law without any carve-outs. Federal laws and international agreements supersede state law, but that wording would apply to foreigners and company vehicles as well.
You are correct.. It IS a scam. Massachusetts may be the most expensive state to own a vehicle. Title transfer 75$ registration 80$ it varies. There is a 25$ fee for this,, a 40 dollar fee for that, State inspection is 'just' 35$ PLUS all the repairs and emissions testing.. Good luck at getting out of the office for less than 300 or 400,,, plus the inspection and required repairs PLUS there is an annual excise tax on the value of your vehicle 25$ per 1,000 valuation,, payable to the city in which the car is parked. (pronounced 'pahcked') 250 to 1500 per year. And trust me,,, there are a few dozen other charges. 250 to 2000 per year is normal. THE REASON IS,, There are 120 plus schools and universities in just the Boston area. Students from all around the country and the world bring an out of state vehicle into Mass. And it used to be,, no one ever got caught. Heaven help you if you did.
That is in violation of the requirements for states to have reciprocal agreements to recognize other states registrations. It is an interference with interstate commerce. Sue in Federal Court.
I had a Massachusetts cop drive extremely reckless in rush hour traffic to chase me down and stop me for having an Alabama plate. He didn’t understand that we only have one plate on back and don’t have front plates. I still can’t believe how aggressive he was driving like a maniac trying to get to me in eight lanes of traffic at rush hour. I was a travel nurse so I wasn’t about to switch plates when I worked in several New England states and stayed at a friends in Rhode Island.
Many years ago my Father in Law was driving in Nebraska in a vehicle with Kansas plates. He got pulled over by some small town cop for not having a front plate (Kansas doesn't have front plates but Nebraska does). He almost got arrested by the Nebraska cop who refused to believe that Kansas didn't have front plates, and it wasn't until his supervisor was called out to resolve the issue. Apparently he looked at the young cop with disgust and chewed him out in front of FIL "What the f is wrong with you? Kansas don't have front plates." (apparently his supervisor was off duty and had his supper interrupted to come out and address this issue).
Some cops really give the rest of them a bad name.
Report it to the FBI
Putting the public in danger over nothing - only works if you have immunity.
California had a problem ticketing oil workers and requiring them to get a California plate, even though they were only in the state for a few months.
Could he reverse it back on them with a fraud lawsuit ?????
He needs to file a federal lawsuit involving Interstate Commerce regarding this foolish law.
10/4
Is it even a law, or is it a rule that a local government official pulled out of thin air?
That was my thought too.
This has nothing to do with interstate commerce... are you a sovereign citizen or something?
Probably doesn't even require a lawsuit. Just get the US Department of Transportation involved and have them handle it.
A few years ago, a cop pulled me over in another state because my Pennsylvania license plate didn't have a registration sticker. He embrassingly had to apologize after verifying that my state no longer issues physical registration stickers. Police can simply verify the legality of the plate by using a plate reader. The Pennsylania DOT saves millions of dollars per year by not printing and mailing out stickers. As drivers, we just download and print out our annual renewal info. I'd like to know how this Massachusetts case turns out.
The entire sticker is a useless thing anyway today. Much like having a registration in your car. If you pulled me over, you already ran my plate. lol
Sounds like it's time for a letter to the Attorney General's Office...
I'd moved from a beach community in Southern California to Michigan to help out my parents when my Dad got a cancer diagnosis. My plate was nearly welded on bc of the salt air, so they told me I could just tape my new Mich plate in my upper left-hand rear window. I was driving my Dad home from chemo one day during a horrible snow storm & we got pulled over bc of it. The cop said it was illegal & he tried to get my old plate off, while my Dad was throwing up waiting (he couldn't do it, either). Then, he asked for my insurance. I was busy trying to help my Dad, so the cop said, "Oh, never mind". Next thing I knew, I was being fined by the city, the county, AND the STATE. Worse still, as soon as my Dad passed away we moved back to Calif. & Mich had added even MORE fines before they'd release my license! I HAD insurance at the TIME. I just thought that the cop was being nice bc my 80yr old Dad was throwing up everywhere. It ended up costing me over $4k! These ppl suck.
So sorry for your loss. Family is so important when fighting cancer,my family has been such a support. I’m sure that meant so much to your dad.❤
so sorry
Wow that's just wrong.
Sue for damages.
@@dmorgan6503 Thank you so much.
Craziness! I emailed the Governor of Mass and made it completely aware that this story is going to go viral and they will be losing revenue from tourism because I'll post this story on my CZcams and TikTok for others to be aware of this. I live in Vermont and use to visit for more than 2 weeks at a time. I won't anymore knowing this stupid law. I won't even go to the casino anymore. 🤷♀️🤦♀️
Good move!
Excellent idea!
My wife is a travel nurse, and I'll be damned if we will take a contract there now. They just lost 25+ years of experience.
good for you completely unaffected by this and outraged please stick by that and stay out ;-)
One more of the many reasons I avoid Mass.
Back in the day when I was
Driving truck I was informed my Utah driver license was suspended by the state of California when at a inspection in
Colorado. Thanks to
PRE PAID LEGAL SERVICES for helping.
Can't believe states can get away with that crap.
When these things happen, it seems one option is calling the local news to see if they'd like to help you with some exposure and getting people of authority to look into it and bypass the red tape.
I live in Massachusetts and about twenty years ago, I had an unusual car experience. The Volvo company had a promotion. If you were visiting Sweden, you could buy a Volvo, take delivery in Sweden, drive it during your trip, turn it in at the factory in Göteborg, and they would ship it to your home in the US. There were some other reasons why this seemed like a good idea. We visited Sweden in May, and returned to the US.
The Volvo was shipped to the US and arrived in New Jersey August 12. It was delivered to our home in Massachusetts the very next day, and I immediately drove to the nearest office of the Registry of Motor Vehicles to register it.
I was told that I had to pay a penalty for registering it late. How, I asked, could there be a penalty for late registration if it was registered on the same day it arrived in Massachusetts? "Oh", said the clerk, "we go by the bill of sale, which is dated in May."
"Well," I said, "how would I have registered it when I was in Sweden?" "We go by the date on the bill of sale."
"Suppose I had bought the car twenty years ago and brought it into Massachusetts just today?" "We still go by the date on the bill of sale".
"Look, I know someone who moved from Massachusetts to Florida and brought her car with her. Florida had a law that said you had to pay a sales tax when you did that? But the Supreme Court ruled that Florida could not do that. I'm not even objecting to paying a sales tax, but imposing a penalty charge seems really unreasonable. I have had my other car registered in Massachusetts that whole time." "We go by the date on the bill of sale."
"May I discuss this with your supervisor?" "Yes." Supervisor: "We go by the bill of sale."
I had no alternative but to pay the penalty, which was about $35.
My revenge - I am still driving the Volvo. The state will not collect an auto sales tax again for as long as I can drive that car.
A guy I bowled with did that with his Volvo but I think things went much smoother for him.
Porsche offers the same thing today. You can choose to take delivery at its factory and drive it while over there. Then return it, and they will ship it over to you.
Probably not worth it for $35, but sounds to me like you could take them to court. At the very least, that could be seen as falsifying government documents.
They'll just send someone to intentionally have a wreck with your car, then you will have to
Just like the caSINo - they always get their monies
Taxachusetts!
I had a friend that moved from Massachusetts to Rhode Island and he tried doing the right thing to register his car, get a RI license, etc. The people at the DMV told him that he needed such-and-such so he left and returned with it. Then they said you need this and that so he got it and returned. This happened several times and he finally told one of the woman at the RMV that he was done and would simply leave his car registered in MA and park it in his driveway because they were too difficult to deal with. The woman was like "Fine, give me the forms" and she did everything he needed. It just goes to show that these people make things difficult just because they can.
I said at the beginning here that The most important #1 qualification for employment at the
Ma. Registry of Motor Vehicles is you have to have the personality of a Rattle Snake. I guess Rhode Island acquired this requirement also, or maybe it's just New England.
@@CorbinAce I lived in MA when I was a kid and had a Mustang for my summer car and a junker for my winter car so twice a year I would be down at the registry transferring plates from one to the other. I used to teach karate and one of my students worked at the RMV. I would go there on a Saturday and the line would be out the door and around the building but I'd stick my head in the door and get her attention. She'd scream "SIR... SIR??? COME ON UP" to me and people would be freaking out. She be yelling at people to shutup because I was in earlier and blah blah blah. She'd hook me up real quick and be like "get out of here before there is is a riot" since it was at least a 3 to 4 hour hour wait. Haha.
@@rhoonah5849 Yeah yeah, you had connections. Flaunt it for the world to see.
@@SarafinaSummers Yeah I was "connected" like Tony Soprano because I knew someone who worked at the registry. SMH...
Were the employees there BLK? Because I'm sensing a stereotype here. Might be just my experience, though.
I had something very similar happen with IL. I was an Alabama resident and visited friends in Chicago. I got a parking ticket while there which I mailed payment and a self addressed envelope to have the receipt sent back to me. The cook county clerk failed to mark my ticket as paid and pull it from the docket. So unbeknownst to me I failed to appear. The judge issued a bench warrant and suspended my IL license (that I didn't even have). A year after this I tried to move back home to TN and discovered I had a valid AL but a suspended IL license so TN would not transfer my license until that was resolved. So a year after the original I learned about the warrant when I called IL to figure the mess out. I scheduled to appear before the judge and I show the receipt that it was paid and he dismissed the ticket and the warrant. He then stated I would have to pay a reinstatement fee for my IL license I never had. I then asked for clarification as I still had an AL license. He gave me a number to call the state as he didn't know how that even happened. Long story short it took 8 months of hounding IL to fix their mistake so I could transfer my license to TN.
A friend of mine had a similar experience in Kentucky. He lives in Alabama. He got a speeding ticket in KY and mailed in a money order. He got a receipt. A couple of years later, he went to renew his AL license and found he had a warrant for his arrest in KY. AL told him he had to resolve the issue with KY before they would renew his license. He still had the receipt. He called the court in KY. He was told the warrant was still active and that he was being penalized $30.00 a day which would have been around $10K. He finally was able to email a copy of the money order and the receipt. They dropped it all.
By issuing a liscense in the data base the state could then create a voter registration. Use your imagination on the rest.
This reminds me of this Canadian visiting LA, I believe, and the LA cops would not accept his Canadian driver's license, and the cops went and pulled a dirty low-down stunt, and "issued" a make-believe license, then instantly "revoked" it, and he visited the area again, and he got pulled over again, and was illegally arrested and his sporty ride illegally impounded. This guy's lawyer was not happy about this, and I do believe he came out on top in the end.
I've seen a number of cases on CZcams where Canadian drivers were wrongly treated by very ignorant police officers. I can only hope that such cases are rare in number, and that judges are much better informed regarding resiprosity between countries and states.
@@549BR These cops must not travel at all. If they were to travel around a bit they would realize how they're trying to enforce the law is stupid.
What these locals do not realize, and they have a responsibility to, is that foreign drivers operating in the US, and vice versa, are covered by international treaties and agreements.
@@joelee2371 I think these cops are too full of themselves.
Nah those guys were skirting the last and they knew it. They actually lived in CA but still drove around on a Canadian license.
The fact that they are threatening to report this to Virginia tells you everything to know about how ridiculous situation is.
I don't think they're specifically threatening that; they're just threatening to "revoke his license", and a side effect of that is that _generally speaking_ that will cause every other state to also revoke his license. (That isn't a hard guarantee, but he does _not_ want to be going to the bureaucracy of every other state individually and asking them to not take Massachusetts' word for it that his license should be revoked.)
@@Tzizenorec correct. In general, if another state issues you a moving citation or similar violation, the state which has issued your license will also be informed. And based on that state's laws, you'll be treated accordingly.
@@Tzizenorec He doesn't have a Mass license to revoke.
He should get down to the VA dmv and talk to them to see what their stance is .
I just say screw it trying catching when I drive through Massachusetts if you don't pay the ticket and keep going but you better have every cop on the road looking for me every single day because you never know when I'm going to pull through
A CBS news article says “However, Ben’s car insurance company informed him that he would not be able to register his car in Massachusetts because he’s not a resident and therefore is unable to get the necessary insurance policy required to register the vehicle.”
An excellent point. No way he can get insurance in MA as non-resident, not garaged in MA. How’s he supposed to register?
However - if he could register in both states - wouldn’t it be less expensive and less shit-and-bother just to do so ?
@@michaelashley2855 This kind of thinking is how rights get slowly eroded away. "It's too much bother to fight it, I'll just pay it and move on with my life." Give them an inch...
@@michaelashley2855 not really, considering issues with insurance, duplicated fees, etc. Also it isn’t likely to stop with 1 year. MA is likely to try to keep forcing a non-resident to register their car in MA for the fees year after year under threat of action against the license. What I don’t get is how MA can possibly suspend another state’s license over vehicle registration from a nonresident.
@@anonymouse14 they can and they do. It happened to my son.
When I lived in New Hampshire many of the jobsites I worked on were located in Mass. There was not a single year in which I did not operate my vehicle in Mass. To think officials in Mass could demand I register my vehicle in a state I don't live in, yet often works in is totally nuts. Presently, I reside in a city that has what amounts to a twin city located in another state immediately adjacent to limits of the city in which I live. Literally, one can drive down one side of the street and be in one state, yet driving on the other side of the same street means operating a vehicle in the adjacent state. Many, many, many people commute for work between the two states. Even more people travel regularly between the two states to shop, recreate, or simply dine out. Were one of the two states to suddenly require the visiting driver to register in the visited state absolute chaos would surely result. Threats to suspend licenses would mean literally thousands of unlicensed drivers were such threats made good. Suspension of driver's licenses would also mean adding thousands of uninsured drivers traveling the roadways on both sides of the state line. WTF kind of sense does this make?
Time to ignore all DMV's. No longer ask permission / pay for the right to drive or put your car on the road. Break the law. Become ungovernable!
U had Too much meth, mate.
The law applies whether you agree to it or not.
Reminds me😂. Virginia tried to force me to pay state income taxes because my wife, who worked there while I was in the Navy, paid taxes. They said it's all or none. Whatever. It got so bad they put a lien on the house I lived in...as a renter!! Too funny. Owner sued the crap out of them. I moved to Japan. 😂😂😂 Some states are crazy.
The state runs afoul of some federal laws, active duty is strange with how they interact with that state is considered 'home'.
You know that the Japanese hate the US Navy? 'Yankee go home!'
@DaVile But they love the money the US brings to their economy...all while hating us. 😆 Not sure what this has to with anything, though.
@@toolbaggers They hate Marines even worse.
should have asked if you could vote there too if they want you to pay taxes..
Sounds like something the Virginia Secretary of State needs to get involved in.
Yeah, I'd be calling the state I live in and pay taxes to. They're probably the ones who can tell Massachusetts to go f-off and leave their citizen alone.
Yeah, if Massachusetts doesn't back down then all of the Massachusetts police's (or perhaps DMV) license plates need to be revoked by Virginia to keep them out of the state.
No the Virginia national guard.
My point is that there definitely are laws that require reciprocity (that's the magic word) in vehicle and driver licensing between states, and the Secretary of State's job (maybe the Attorney General) is to handle matters between states. A legal registration in state X _must_ be accepted by state Y, full stop.
absolutely, a 5-minute phone call where VA reminds MA that honoring VA's records is not a choice its legislature can make, and that it would be glad to assist its citizen if necessary
I had a friend who moved to CA and when he registered his car there they said they would send him his new license plate but it would take a while and not to worry about not having one in his car as he had the paperwork. It took THREE YEARS for them to send him the plates.
In regard to driving with expired plates in CA, when I went to update the year after my latest car registration, I realised I had never updated it the year before. The sticker was still sitting in a bag in the glove compartment. And yet despite driving regularly for that whole year, I was never once pulled over for it.
There will never be a limit to how badly the government can screw up, nor how dishonest they can be.
Limits would just give then new goals to reach...
Or how many taxes they will try to collect. My mom called the place Taxachusetts when I was a kid, now I KNOW WHY! She used a tone of disdain when she memtioned it.
I agree the federal gov needs to put a stop stop things like this.
You can blame the tax avoiding, rich a-holes driving around with Montana plates for this.
It doesn't have to be right, it doesn't have to be good, it doesn't even have to be accurate, it just has to be the law.
Sounds like the DMV is double-dipping into this man's wallet...
Exactly, plate and property taxes
Indeed. States do NOT have the RIGHT nor POWER to effect Citizens OUTSIDE their state. This is what's bugging me. If he lived in Massachusetts. I could understand them applying Massachusetts laws to him. But he lives in Virginia, a DIFFERENT STATE. Massachusetts Laws about the citizens living in THEIR state should NOT apply to people living in OTHER states.
Also I thought a Driving Licience was Universal. Namely, it just gives the right to drive a car. Period. Not "WHERE" you can drive it. Just the legal right to DRIVE, period. There is also the Freedom of Movement right. Massachusetts, the STATE is REFUSING this man's right to Travel between states. It does NOT matter if that travel is by foot, or by car, they can NOT legally stop him.
There is a MASSIVE ammount if illegal actions and Unconstitutional Actions happening here.
Extortion .
RMV
I think it's called
Extortion
When we moved to Florida in 1995 specifically Jacksonville the Jacksonville Sheriff's Department (and yes I did say Sheriff's Department as they combined the sheriff and police departments into one when years earlier they unified the City of Jacksonville with Duval County into one governing body) would on a weekly basis go through the parking lot in our office complex looking for plates just to write them up for that..
This is the perfect example why we don't want government Healthcare in this country,
The Massachusetts tourist agency whether the arm of the government or privately run, needs to know about this because this is going to hurt tourism. I think I’ll call them tomorrow.
I am sure there will be cops just eager to write a ticket for something like this, even if they don't understand how it works
Trust me, as a resident we don't want tourists or snowbirds.
@@HH-ru4bj What snowbirds?😂 You guys get the same shitty winter weather as the rest of the Midwest and New England.
@@HH-ru4bj You probably ought to keep quiet about that since tourism makes your state a lot of money.
"Direct spending by domestic and international visitors totaled $10.0 billion in Calendar Year (CY) 2020
Visitor expenditures supported 102,100 jobs in 2020 and $4.3 billion in wages and salaries
Visitor expenditures generated $879.9 million in Massachusetts state and local tax revenue in 2020
Each dollar spent by a visitor in 2020 generated 5.7 cents in state tax receipts and 3.1 cents in local taxes
State hotel room occupancy tax collections totaled $124.2 million and local option room occupancy tax collections totaled $108.8 million in FY2021
Domestic visitors accounted for approximately 93% of all visitor spending. International visitor spending accounted for approximately 7%"
@Nathan Weigel I nearly froze my PA tuccus off in MA, in the autumn.
In 2021, registering a normal private passenger vehicle in Massachusetts costs $60 and is good for 2 years. In MA, the Certificate of Title fee is $75. You'll also need to have your vehicle inspected, which costs $35.
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I think we can guess why they have implemented the law. It's a shakedown.
"The object of all despotism is revenue." -- Thomas Paine
... land of the free and the home of the brave, eh?
@@FHL-Devils Braves are in Georgia!
That's much cheaper than my state. Maybe I'll just register to MA instead.
Guess what's next. They will "ask " you to pay state taxes.
.....you obviously now live there.
Similar things even happen within a state... in Virginia, we have a sticker tax collected by the towns/counties/cities, but in recent years, many localities stopped issuing stickers, even though they still collect the sticker tax. I've received tickets for not having a sticker on my employer's vehicle while parked at my home, so my employer got to pay 2 separate localities their sticker tax. One based on the vehicle registration, the other based on where it's parked most of the time.
my mother had trouble getting her license in Texas because even though she had a valid DL in Nebraska, when she moved here, and have to bring in several documents, her birth certificate showed her maiden name, and her social security showed her married name. They made her come back 30 days later and bring a copy of her marriage certificate and a copy of my dad's death certificate to show that she was still her married name. She cried all the way home. Made me mad that the DMV has people who can't help the elderly who have been driving longer than most of those workers have been alive, and then pull this garbage. My wife and I helped her through and tried to be a stabilizer for her and assure her that we'd help her through it, but it still made me mad. Course if I go down there and give a piece of my mind to inept people, then I land in jail and fines, and a record.
In 2006 my wife and I owned a home in Florida as our primary residence. We owned 2 autos also registered in FL.
We went on an extended auto trip of several months and while doing so we had our mail forwarded to my brother in MD. Once a week or every other week he would box it up & UPS it to us where we were at that time.
Fast forward to the next calendar year. The state of MD notifies us that we were residents of the state for that year by having our mail forwarded to a MD address for a couple of months and thus owed the state - county - city income tax for our 2006 earnings. Yep. Greedy Mofos. I did inform them of the circumstances (that we never established any residence in MD) and was able to get it dropped. Governments are giant, all powerful bureaucracies with an insatiable thirst for money and no morals hindering that desire.
I've heard from more than a few people that Maryland is absolutely horrible to deal with in just about every way imaginable.
Did anyone ever ask *"HOW"* they knew you forwarded all your mail to the address in MD? The MD State Government had to be looking at all the mail, making lists of who is getting mail where, and then comparing it to the tax lists of who paid their local and state taxes. Who knew...
@@CharlieLarkin75 yup, maryland is up there alongside NY and Cali as one of the worst to deal with
@@BeetleBuns Washington state as well.
MD and Delaware, etc. are often used as tax haven states. That might have something to do with it.
Funny but true story. This happened back in 1979. Background info. Tennessee (my residence then and now) was one of the last states to put a photo on your drivers license (1981 or thereabouts). Prior to that, it was simply a paper card that had your name, address and basic vitals (race, height, weight, eye color). Tennessee only required a rear license plate and still does. I was visiting friends in New York City, fully legal driving license and plate issued by my home state. A very young NYPD cop pulled me over and just about threw a fit because I had no front plate and insisted my no-photo driver’s license was obviously fake. Three more cops showed up in the next 10 minutes, all convinced I deserved multiple citations and should maybe be arrested! A more informed sergeant finally arrived on-scene and quietly explained to the younger cops that my Tennessee driver’s license was just fine and that not all states required front plates. Those kids were SO disappointed!
Which shows once again how much overreach they can practice.
The driving license thing is understandable, NY is surrounded by states that all used photo licenses. The lacking a front plate thing is an odd thing to crank on because I dunno if Connecticut even required them back then and they would have seen plenty of CT cars in NYC.
That rookie was counting on you for his OT and his performance numbers, AKA "quotas", Yes, "it" does exist.
I’m in Tennessee and I remember when photo license started, a minor was photographed sideways and that was the photo on the license and an adult was photographed face forward.
@@beckigreen I've never heard of that. It makes me wonder what purpose it might serve.
One of the curiosities I learned while on assignment in NYC was a skirmish between NY and a Florida retired couple. Part time residences in both states, NY insisted the couple pay NY state taxes. I do not know the particulars of the case. I was told it went way up in the court process. The result was that residence is established by the preponderance of nights spent in the state of claimed residency. One more day a year in Florida than in NY made them Floridians.
I came to ponder this 20 years later when I became an OTR driver.
Do I keep a running list of what states I slept in during a year?
It's in my log book . . . But . . . Is some crazy state law going to force me to be a resident because I spent 28 overnights?
Actually, no
But Straight Talk cut my phone service off claiming I had moved to South Carolina.
I (not so politely) told the customer service center located somewhere in India that an act of Congress allowed me to keep my phone number no matter where my company sent me. And that my legal commercial driver's license was from Utah. Did Straight Talk want federal restraint of trade lawsuit? And that my attorney was a retired Judge.
I still think the kindest person I ever knew in Utah was Earl
In Ca. it's only 10 days, and - - get this - - applies even if you have NOT moved there! I was doing some consulting for Polycom (they make those triangular speakerphones in all the corporate conference rooms throughout America) in San Jose, when I was cited for this. And in California, the citation isn't for not changing over to the California license: they ticket you for UNLICENSED operation - a MISDEMEANOR [not a traffic infraction] - as if you had no license at all! And I had a completely clean & valid license from Florida at the time. So, imagine that, a CRIMINAL charge that is based entirely on, essentially, disregarding the sovereignty of the other 49 states in the Union.
It was also a CRIMINAL charge based only on my own testimony.
This is just a shake-down for cash from unsuspecting visitors.
So consultants, students, all out-of-state visitors beware: the correct answer to "How long have you been in California?" is always, "I just pulled in last night, officer."
No, the answer to the question, and every question asked by the police, is “I don’t answer questions.”
They trust that you won't come back for the court date. If you did, you would be able to just point out that you wouldn't be able to fulfil the insurance requirements of registration, so therefore have literally no ability to comply with said bogus law.
There was video a while back of a guy from Canada being ticketed and threatened with tow away because he was visiting California on holiday with a Canadian Driving Licence. The Officer was adamant you could only drive in California on a USA Licence. He was on holiday and had to go to the Police HQ and register a complaint and get the ticket wiped.
i remember that one. the crap our local/state/ and federal gov't people do is insanely moronic
I bet the reverse wouldn't occur to him if he were the one visiting Canada or Mexico.
Yep, it's probably the guy with the Lambo or what ever. He videos it all . The cops insist he has to have a California license and registration. They also ticket or try to ticket him for not having a factory exhaust . He does . He asked them if the know what an exhaust for his car looks like . They also lose their minds because the car is registered to his company. I know he has filed at least one lawsuit which he probably won. It was a pretty easy one to win plus ,he has money for lawyers
I wonder if that's one of the cops who think that a New Mexico license is foreign in the US? 😊
I remember that. People think they can just obey the law without paying a bribe. It disgusts me.
My state also has a 30 day law, though it is consecutive. A couple years back the mayor in my town announced a massive enforcement effort after claiming to have received a flood of complaints from residents about cars with out of state plates. Note: My town borders another state, so you know, out of state plates aren't exactly uncommon. They were going to have officers making daily rounds noting what cars were parked in what driveway. This was shortly before primaries. The incumbent mayor lost badly and we never heard about the supposed enforcement again.
So he did that when he was close to re election? Sounds like the dumbest mayor ever. Not sure how he wouldn’t have known that it was going to harm his re election chances
@Robert Smalls He also "cut taxes" and "balanced the budget" by withdrawing the legal maximum from the city's cash reserves every year...
Virginia it's 30 consecutive days. Fairfax county tries to crack down on it from time to time. The problem is how do they prove that the car wasn't driven over the bridge into Maryland or DC during that time? I have a car registered at my vacation home in MD. It makes the trip there or to my Mom's in MD at least once a month.
We've been in Mexico for 5 weeks now. Our permit is good for 6 months.
The "c" word caused deficits in municiple budgets even before many gvmnt employees gave themselves handsome raises for all of their *demic suffering enforcing and finger wagging their constituents at the behest of their governmental big brothers and sisters. They decided to run tons of these safety and licensure enforcements. Coincidently, only those with the most promising revenues. There was some scandal with one of my local city officials, and they demoted him to Parks and Rec management with a raise that nets him $106,000 a year.
Virginia sent me a thing for back due registration on a car I hadn't owned in 10 years once. Once I told them that and that I was happy to fly in and go to court, I never heard from them again.
Last time I checked Massachusetts does NOT have any jurisdiction in Virginia or any other state. File a suit for malicious prosecution.
Right to travel in Massachusetts and driver’s license removed? Hmmm that’s also a violation of civil rights under the 14th amendment. Sounds like a nice federal law suit now
Sounds like Massachusetts really doesn’t want ANY tourism or commerce coming into their state. Because I’m sure a lot of people hearing about this is going to cause them to rethink travelling to or through them.
Do not reply to the person saying contact them on telegram. ITS A SCAMMER!!
Seriously. Hell, if I were in a position of power with my state and found out a neighboring state was doing this to my constituents, I'd start warning people in my state to avoid going through or visit that state if at all possible, because they have and enforce a law that in my eyes does something they do not have the right or authority to do to visitors. Or at least should not have the authority to do. Like mess with my people I mess with your economy. Want that tourism revenue? Play nice with everybody else.
Then again, that's probably why I'm not a politician. God forbid there exist a politician in office that might actually do something useful or helpful. Or moral. But I digress.
This could be on national news for a week straight and it still wouldn't put much of a dent in the tourism trade.
I don't believe that story kinda odd never once happen people I known who visit here
Who cares ? I went to Mass once, no need to go again !
I live on Martha's Vineyard and as you'd imagine, in the summertime there's almost nothing but out of state plates when people come to their vacation homes for MONTHS at a time. There's an older gentleman down the street from me who's too old to commute anymore and he's being driving around on FL plates for maybe 3 years now. MA's laws are outrageous but people need to mind their own business.
If people were capable of minding their own business, we'd have a Libertarian society.
the rich live by different rules.
"Your freedom to swing your fists around ends at the tip of my nose"
Not, if you have your nose ever encroaching up the crack of my ...
rules are different for the rich.
Virginia tried to do that to me when I was a New Mexico resident. It took a while to get the problem resolved.
I moved to Michigan from Pennsylvania about 30 years ago to attend school. I intended to return to Pennsylvania after graduation. I kept my PA plates and license for about three years without any problems. I got a job in Michigan, got married and decided to stay there. That’s when I switched my license and plates.
Many years ago, I was a cop in Santa Fe, NM. I made a traffic stop for speeding on a vehicle with out of state plates. I cited him for expired registration and expired driver’s license. When we went to municipal court, the Judge threw it out. The Judge stated that we could not enforce the laws of a different state. Thank you, your honor, you have just made my job a lot easer.
Makes a lot of sense actually.
That’s what I was thinking too in regards to the “out of state expired” story.
That would be BS in DC. Cops will ticket VA cars with expired inspection stickers.
In va you can be ticketed for expired registration with an out of state plate, instead of an “expired registration” ticket it’s a “improper display of license plate” ticket.
@@extremerc76 surely you can then argue that it's a catch-22 since you're not allowed to display no plate, and you don't meet the requirements to get the other state's plates...
Thanks Steve instead of booking our campsite in Massachusetts during our New England trip this summer we will spend longer in New Hampshire.
More money for New Hampshire businesses, less for Massachusetts.
This is the kind of HIGHWAY ROBBERY law that should be abolished by whoever their lawmakers are that can.
I have a 40+ year old set of plates on my 1965 Mustang and realized the plate readers don’t read that old number combination. It’s an older system, fewer numbers/letters. Haven’t put new tags on it in years. And now I’ve realized that these automatic plate readers have made cops lazy, they don’t look around much anymore, they wait for the audio cue from their computer to look up and it shows them what car on their targeting software.
Was recently travelling through a certain southern state. I got pulled over because the sticker on my tag said Nov 2022. He was writing me up for driving with an expired tag. I told him that my province no longer uses stickers. He gave me grief for 30 minutes. I asked if he had actually run my plates to confirm they are expired. He came back sheepishly and told me to have a nice day. At least he didn’t PIT me.
Should have sued for wasting your time.
Province? BC I'm guessing?
BC stopped issuing license plate decals starting May 2022.
People I know who work at car dealerships and auto insurance told me to remove all the expired decals completely to avoid any hassle when heading south. But I'm wondering if they will also hassle you if you have NO decal now...
@@victorliu9715 Ab now as well has gotten rid of the sticker
That’s funny because like 5 years ago, I legit drove around with an expired plate for 3 years in my own state. I never got stopped. And when I finally went to update my registration I had to reregister my car and get a whole new plate.
Ontario has also eliminated annual renewal stickers. I scraped off my old ones in case a NY PA or NJ (where I often drive) officer is bothered by the old dates. Better to show nothing.
In the mid 1990s I was in California serving in the US Air Force. I got pulled over while turning into military family housing. My license plate light was out, but I was questioned as to why I had an out of state plate. I told him that I was USAF, gestured to the base sticker in the windshield and told him I was in California temporarily. A low level of harassment, but harassment none the less.
Must've had a girlfriend that cheated on him with a pilot. Sorry you probably suffered for some of the sinning of one of your brothers.
@@maebandy LOL! I was enlisted. And driving a 24 year old Plymouth Duster. Cop probably thought I had no business being in a high cost of living area.
@Joshua Skinner well ok, that sounds probable. And to the point you made at the end of your last comment, I think the career enticement of warranted or unwarranted harassment of any civilian they see driving down the road has to stop. I mean we're all just bigger humans playing the same games we did as children. The girl who cheated playing the bank during Monopoly or the boy who still tried to tag you once you were safe on base can't be allowed to win the games as adults, we certainly didn't let that shit fly as kids.
Massachusetts is so needy for money that this is common. Moved out of the state in September and changed over my license and insurance. Got a notification that my registration was revoked because of not insured in state. Sent me a tax bill for the car for the following year.
Something similar happened to me way back when i was 17 and moved to N.C. to live with my dad. I actually went to the DMV to get a N.C. license and I handed them my previous states license and a current insurance card when they said ok well sit down and well take your picture for the new license. They took the picture and printed out a new either temporary or permanent license and literally handed it to me when another DMV employee ask me for my drivers education slip or whatever its called. I said I dont know what that is and they both looked at me as if I were lying or something. Then one said in N.C. you have to take drivers education in school for so long or you can pay for it yourself and classes can take 6 months to a year or you will have to wait till your 18 birthday to drive. I said I understand that why this is in place but you should understand that I will be 18 in 3 months and I've been actually driving legally for almost 3 years without any type of accident so it doesn't make sense for me to have to wait or pay any additional money. They refused so I ask for my previous license back and told them I would be keeping those and most likely returning to my home state if this is the type of unreasonable crap I would have to put up with in this state. Needless to say I finished the school year there and went back to my home state and dad moved here not long after.
According to the RMA, the vehicle has to be permanently based in Massachusetts in order for this to apply. Also, how can someone even register a vehicle in a state where they have no proof of residency?
This is exactly right. A quick browsing of their website shows that you must prove you reside in the state to register your vehicle. I hope he goes to the DMV and tells them he does not reside in the state but he would like to register his vehicle and record the interaction as the person behind the counter vehemently denies him service because he cannot register an out-of-state vehicle.
3/27/23...COPS + JUDGES + STATES DON'T CARE! THEY ARE BLEEDING OUT $+ MUST CHARGE EVERY "SUCKER" THEY CAN FIND!
PLUS THEY HAVE FREE LAWYERS---THE "SUCKERS" DON'T!
It's also common for people to have multiple properties in multiple states. Most states have the language PRIMARY RESIDENCE when determining where to register vehicles.
There are many states you can register a vehicle without having residency. This is used to the benefit by some people and business and to the benefit of the government by other states. Getting a drivers license in a state usually requires residency and some states have very lacks laws for residency. Many New York people have a vehicle licensed in Florida to them; they store when not in Florida. People try the Montana one often but South Dakota has the most vehicles licensed to out of state people. I could see if he spent extended time in Mass. every year they would require him to register the vehicle. But if he spent less than half a year there they will have a tough time forcing residency.
The license plate is just the first step. Once they get him to register his car there, they’ll consider him a state resident and then they’ll come chasing after him for income taxes!
I knew some workers from Mass.They called the state Taxachusetts
Outrageous! State agencies are out of control, because they have control.
I moved to Florida one January and brought my motorcycle. In the state I moved from, motorcycle plates expired in February of the year after the year on the plate, but in Florida they expired on the owner's birthday in the year on the plate.
I was riding my motorcycle in Florida in April, with a now-expired plate when a cop pulled me over and asked if I knew why he'd stopped me.
I replied "because I have an out of state plate?", knowing it was expired.
He said, "No, is because your our of state plate is expired."
I explained how it worked differently in the state the plate was issued, pulled out my registration and showed him that it expired the February after issuance.
He was so surprised that he didn't notice that i the registration was still expired. He apologized for stopping me and told me to have a nice day.
I transferred the title and registered my motorcycle in Florida the next day.
If he registers in MA then VA is going to cancel his registration.
Yes and then he gets to re-register in VA so both states get to double-dip.
Most definately
Then they'll add the caveat that he'll need a MA license for the registration, which he won't have because he's not a state resident. And if for some miracle they do let him get a MA license his VA license is forfeited for the MA license like the registration. What a mess.
Registrations in two states simultaneously? Good question.
@@sparkyUSA1976 That's a good one - voting rights. You could vote twice for president and once for each state's congress and senate candidate.
Just set up a mail drop in MA for MA voting.
I lived in MA for about 17 years and knew a lot of people who commuted to jobs in MA but lived in NH. Same for RI, CT, VT, or even Maine. What’s scary, is that they could easily track this activity through the EZ Pass system. What a nightmare of a state. I go out of my way to drive around MA when visiting my kids in NH.
@@patfrederick7327 I would more accurately describe it as left-wing authoritarianism.
there was a proposal in NH to put warning signs on the MA border back in 2011. it didn't pass.
Several years ago my now ex-girlfriend and I were on a road trip to see the country. A crisis at home in Minnesota came up and we had to end our sight seeing and get back home to take care of the problem, and planned to complete our tour of the the remaining states we had not been to including Mass. We broke up before travelling back to visit the remaining states so going to Mass did not happen, and after hearing this story, I am glad that we did not go back because to even see a small amount of any state takes more than just a few hours or just driving through it and only seeing what is visible out the car windows along a highway or freeway. I would not want to even enter a state with such ridiculous laws because it would be likely that something seen would be a reason to stop somewhere or there would be the need of gas in the car, something to eat or drink, or there might be toll roads in the state and it may sound crazy but I refuse to spend even 1 cent there that would go to that states govt even if it would only be the taxes on any money I would spend there. Not that I was going to finish seeing the remaining states anyway since I can no longer travel due to my disabling spinal problems.
The only way to do that is through VT or Canada. 😂
@@patfrederick7327 Yep, liberalism is well known known for causing strict driving laws. Biden, Obama, and Gore screwed up the weather too.
You can only trust anonymous chat bots.
Thank YHWH there are patriots such as yourself not interfering with anything.
Where does he 'claim' to pay his taxes? Where is he registered to vote? Utility bills? Make copies of all of that and send it to them. It's those things that can help establish your residence. Make them do the work, though, remember it is up to the government to prove you violated the law.
I don't think he needs to do anything. Massachusetts has no jurisdiction over him, so they are not in a position to dictate anything to him. And they can't bar him from the state because he has a constitutional right to travel, and every state is mandated by law to accept another state's drivers licences.
This is just a perfect example of some of the ridiculous laws in this country. This is the kind of thing that I think about when someone is adamant that they want to be a tough prosecutor and prosecute every crime. That would be fine if none of the laws were ridiculous.
usually when people want "tough on crime" they mean like robberies, murder, sexual assault, they could care less about "missing liscense plate stickers"
As a certain much-maligned author pointed out, the Government has no power over law-abiding citizens. So, Government creates a situation where, in order to exist from day to day, you are forced to break the law on a regular basis. Then any time you step out of line they can come down on you with both jackboots.
In Boone Cty KY its illegal to cuss on Sundays. But do we? Fuck yes.
This is a perfect example of why I hate term "law abiding citizen."
I'd prefer something more along the lines of 'Abide a government that abides the Constitution citizen.'
Following laws just because they say they're laws is what's got us into this fight over whether 2A can be infringed or not.
Does the government give you a ticket for not wearing a seat belt because they care for you? Do they unconstitutionally expand their authority by passing a law telling you it's for your health..?
@@Horrible_Deplorable The constitution is a fraudulent, racist document written by evil people that conquered an already inhabited land.
Thank you SO much for pointing out this state that I need to just stay away from. I have no need to be anywhere near a place with a ridiculous requirement like this.
It's advisable to avoid all blue states.
Your right
@@celesasheldon6931 *you're smdh
OUCH, that could hurt the stae coffers a bit😂
I moved to Florida 17 years ago. We updated everything appropriately after arriving. In 17 years I’ve never been pulled over, stopped or other wise involved with officials. I’ve actually heard “Snowbirds” bragging about living here for decades on plates bought in other states and never a problem. Looks like Florida knows who “ butters their bread”.
Steve. I was pulled over by the Missoula Montana County Sheriff in 1982. My home was in Central Washington (Wenatchee). I was starting my career operating restaurants. The first one I opened was 9:50 in Missoula. The deputy had seen my car in town “for some time”. My situation was similar to the subject of your post. I was given a warning for the plate. The deputy agreed with my opinion of the situation. I explained Montana would require me to turn in my existing driver license and plate on the car before issuing me Montana paperwork. I asked him what he recommended. “I duh know”. I never heard about it again. Oh, I opened 14 restaurants in four northwestern states. I retired in 2011.
Steve, you might take a look at that Massachusetts statute. It appears they are misapplying it. They could (crazy but true) cite him for failure to register in the year he was there, but they can't require him arbitrarily to register in subsequent years. That would be like telling someone, "I know you moved to Florida, but you once lived in Massachusetts, so you must register here."
Also, there's a good chance it violated full faith and credit because he was licenced in his legal domicile.
The state of Ma. is after some excise tax money. I live here, they are a greedy bunch. The Demonrats that control Ma. never met a tax they didn't like. A good lawyer should be able to shut them down. They are nothing but shysters looking for a quick payday. If they get it, he will spend hundreds or thousands getting it reversed in the courts. This is how they operate. I don't recommend that ANYBODY move here. If I could afford to move out, I would.
It goes by where you live.
I moved from California to the state of Washington. Years later, California still wants me to update my California registration even though the vehicle is registered in Washington and never drives on California roads.
Communists in control don't care, they just want revenue
Their may/or is ccp - tell ya anything!!!
But then again, so is mitch McConnell's wife[daughter of a shipping magnate for the ccp][and her daddy enlarged turtles bank account overnight by 55mil]
Who is he working for???
People who have multiple domiciles are generally exempt. I understand what happened. He was ticketed, say in January and then ticketed again in March so they look at that as if he were there during this whole time period which exceeds their minimum. It doesn't take into account dual residences which most states will let slide. He better pay what little parking tickets he does owe and sell that car.
I'm 71 years old, the laws by Which we live , have become a nightmare in recent years, we now live in a crazy world, lucky for me my days are limited in this crazy world.
kingdomfor1 : So true. You nailed it!
@kingdomfor1: I agree. I'm 60 and I grew up in what was a free country (i.e. the USA). LEO tyrants and left-wing politicians are turning the USA into Nazi Germany. "Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it." We're currently going down the well+travelled road to Hell! 🤬
if your days are limited to need to make sure you connect with the Lord; John 3:3 states Except you be born again (christian), you will not see the Kingdom of God.
@@Lauren-vd4qe and if I'm a Muslim?
@@kingdomfor1 John 14:6 Jesus said "I AM the way the truth and the life; NO MAN comes to the Father (God) BUT BY ME.
Moved from AZ to CA (kind of back and forth…) in 2003 and someone had stolen my front AZ plate…or it fell off, Idk.
Anyway CA DMV makes you turn in your plates when you register fro out of state, like most states.
OMG, I thought the clerk was going to make me take a polygraph! She kept asking me where the other plate was. FuckifIknow! She all but said they’d be sending the FBI by my house to check it out!
I went home and told my wife to bury her license plate collection (which included one of her past AZ plates….not mine!) and to draw the curtains! That sad thing is, I could have re-registered AZ and not had to mess with the more stringent smog crap because a friend had moved to our old address.
Perhaps the state Tourist and Visitors Board needs to weigh in on this issue.
Great idea! I think that's a great place for people to contact in writing about this too!
Oooh yes that's an excellent idea. If someone in charge of that stuff there hears about it, it would be insane if they didn't get pissed off at the boneheads responsible. Part of me figures they would be out for blood against those responsible.
I had a friend who drove his motorhome all over the continental US for more than a decade with expired PA tags and no PA inspection. At the time, he claimed that the lack of inspection was a "Pennsylvania matter" that non-Pennsylvania police can't enforce. When he was pulled over (for bad driving) and the Florida police officer noted his tags were expired, my friend told the police officer that he was on a 48 state tour and hasn't been home for years and years. The Florida police officer cited him for the bad driving, but not the expired tag.
Yup, that's State's rights for you... greedy, zero-sum, and tenaciously rooted in the history and fabric of society.
I live in Oregon. I can't imagine them having a law that would apply to each and every Washington state driver that lives in Vancouver but works in Portland. Washington would pitch a fit. I can't imagine how people in New Hampshire or Vermont right next to the border would have to do this for Taxachusetts. What the hell?!?
One of the happiest days of my life was when I took MA plates off my car. I hated living there, for a lot of reasons.
Said no one ever 😂
I moved out of mass in 1983 and have lived in NH since. I too was happy to leave the place.
So stick it, Nick S
@@TheRealMrPeach it's funny. I grew up in NH, and we had a low opinion of MA, and an even lower opinion of people who specifically moved in from MA and brought their MA voting habits with them (considering those voting habits are how MA ended up so shitty to begin with)
But, when I left New England, I felt a similar joy. That whole part of the country just sucks. Full of snooty assholes who look down upon everyone who doesn't appear to have lots of money, and can't keep their noses out of others' business.
Alabama didn't work out, but now I live in the central-upper Midwest, and short of moving out to the mountain west somewhere (except Colorado, too expensive now) I doubt I'll ever make a significant move again. It may not be as pretty, but the people out here are so much more laid back. One thing's for sure, I'll almost certainly never live in New England or even the Northeast in general ever again.
@@lt1caprice57l Hey, cut me some slack, i was only 23 and starting a small family. Mass taxes were not to my liking and i wasn't big on voting at the time.
Also, making gross generalizations based on a small sample is absurd.
I spent nearly 2 years in CA taking care of my elderly mother, yet had my vehicle licensed & registered & was voting in OR. On the way home, after winding up my mother's estate, A CA cop asked me why I didn't have CA plates. I told him the story & he condoled me instead of writing up a ticket!!
I worked down in Kentucky for several months in the Winter of 83/84, never changed my plates, never was questioned about it. Plus, I got a speeding ticket (my last one EVER), and the cop never brought it up.
It blows my mind that someone can say those words out loud and look at you with a straight face. Like....there is probably 8 people in the WHOLE country that thinks that makes sense. How can someone be so.... just oblivious.
One of my coworkers had a similar experience. His son lives in Massachusetts and he would fly into our office there every 2 months for a week or so. He got a ticket over a decade ago visiting his son. He was ordered by the court to maintain two separate registrations, plates, and the court even ordered him to have a Massachusetts drivers license. His residence is in Florida. So he actually has a Massachusetts ID with a Florida address on it. It has caused him a ton of issues, every few years the state sends tax officials after him because he isn’t paying his Massachusetts income tax and property taxes; but he has a binder full of paperwork, court orders, letters from various state departments, etc that he always uses to get out of it.
He appealed the original courts ruling, but it was upheld. Of course I asked if he has ever voted twice… he refuses to answer.
Oh and yea Massachusetts loves it reciprocity relationship agreements, they will totally send notice to the other state if he doesn’t register, keep it active, etc.
That just sounds like extortion. Seems like other states should cancel their reciprocal agreement with such a corrupt state.
Why didn't he rent a car like everyone else? - Said the RMV official.
WOW.... sad
I'm shocked that this is allowed to happen. Imagine if Florida did that to everyone who visited Disney World for a few weeks out of the year. Or imagine if two states did that to each other. And trying to make him pay income tax to a state he neither lives in nor works in every few years probably costs the state more money than the license registration cost so I really don't see the point. Plus, well, you can't be compelled to pay income taxes in a state you neither live in nor work in.
I know one state I’ll never visit. It’s pretty scary just how little people know about the laws.
I reside in NY State and I'm shocked they haven't come up with this scam yet.
Everything governmental in New York State is a total friggin' nightmare. It's not just NYC, the toxic mentality applies statewide. Currently having lots of negative experiences in the wild west in Western New York State.
Pray that God-Emperess Hochul doesn't hear about this- she'll send a "message of necessity" to the lickspittle Legislature, and it'll be law within a week.
Don't give them any ideas. The Adirondacks are my happy place. I usually spend a long weekend a month from May to October, and a week in August there. That alone could make it 30 days in the state. I don't need the hassle of new licence plates on top of paying the out of state resident fees for using state campgrounds.
I worked in New Hampshire and had an apartment in Massachusetts a number of years ago for one year but my house was located in Maryland. I never registered in Massachusetts and never had this problem.
I visited some friends in San Diego for a couple of months. CA sent a letter (to my actual home, in NM) stating that I was required to register my car. I called the number on the letter, that my roommate read to me, and said, "Hey, look, I got this letter, but... I don't *live* in CA. I live in NM. At the address you mailed the letter to. I still pay rent there. All of my stuff is there. I'm just visiting." They said, "OK. Have a nice visit." and that was the end of it.
CA is insane, but clearly MA is even worse.
He absolutely needs to keep fighting this! ... But I wonder, how could he even register his vehicle there anyway? Everything I've ever registered a vehicle in my state, they always required a local in state address. He obviously doesn't have that, so how could he register a vehicle there?
I was born in Massachusetts, and grew up in Connecticut just a few miles from the border with Mass., where I have lived for nearly 60 years. I even worked in Massachusetts for five years while living in Connecticut and...not only did I never get a Mass. registration...I never even heard of such a law!
We here in Connecticut refer to Massachusetts as "Taxachusetts"...and hearing this story just gives us one reason more for doing so!
ok that's funny!!
They don't call them Massholes for nothing!
Shameful to think that Massachusetts is the same state where the battles of Lexington and Concord were fought.
@@ostlandr
Indeed.
"The People's Republic of Taxachusetts"
Sue the state in Federal court
1 register , 2 required inspection sticker , 3 excise tax. Its ALL about the money!
One of the biggest issues with this is you normally have to prove some legal presence in a state to register your vehicles there. That’s kind of hard to do if you’re only visiting.
And proof of insurance.
Even harder when you just commute through like so many thousands of people probably do every day. At least staying with family for a month the state might argue to use your family's address. What does a commuter do for an address? The interchange of these two highways?
@@noahbehnke maybe. That works for proof of address for voting in Detroit, Nevada, and Arizona.
Which it is questionable that he was only visiting...I think he was living there with his own place and getting mail...thats enough to be reqauired to register.
@@noahbehnke Thats not how the law works this guy is being ridiculous.Its simple...stay longer than 30 days and you are living there.
Many Canadians have been restrained in the USA because they say our licenses are not valid. I was a truck driver and in the early 90s drove from Ontario Canada to places all over the USA and several times I was told my license was not valid, so I called the marshals, they would show up and inform the folks, that the USA does have an agreement that we Canadians can drive anywhere in the USA with our Canadian License. There is a famous case where a woman was driving from Florida back to Ontario, Canada, and going through Georgia, was pulled over and spent a week in jail for having an Ontario License. She sued the State of Georgia and won several million dollars
The fact that this was all descended from a PARKING ticket is just unbelievable. They have no idea that this vehicle wasn't actually there TWICE - on two different days - visiting the same person two different times, parking only overnight. I would advise the state of Virginia's motor vehicle bureau of this malpractise.
They have that law due to "Visitors" who will commute to a state/city to work and have an apartment to live in in said state/city while declaring they "live" somewhere else. The "Commuter" will come in during the week and leave for the weekend. The City of Alexandria in Virginia has that issue and has lost a lot of revenue due to it.
The legal issues with dual registrations for law enforcement would be an absolute nightmare. When they run a plate it comes back to a car. If they check the vin it will come back to either plate. Their fisrt assumption would. Be a stolen plate.
This exact same happened to me when I went to school at ft devins Massachusetts for two month course back in the late 80's when I was sent on orders from ft bragg where I lived. It took the US Military JAG to get the assholes off my back and stop the threats of suspending my license.
The US military should have invaded Massachusetts, captured it, and made it a part of the United States.
@@MrTruckerf mass has no oil reserves.
@@charlebrownga It's got plenty of "natural gas" from all of the bullshit that the state produces.
@@charlebrowngaThey have plenty of slaves, though 😂
@@charlebrownga I want to point out something today we get more than 50% of our oil from Canada. From the 90s to 2000 opec and person gulf supplied about 50% of our oil. Since the peak they have dropped to the low single digits. Most of the wars fought over there might have been about saving the oil. yet in the last 20 years we moved from buying from them to buying local. We could 100% stop buying from everyone and produce as much as we need with what we have right now or we could just buy 100% from Canada. Couple other things to consider is the shutting down of the pipelines which likely would have made the cost of fuel cheap. Also buying 100% from canada could make the price stable and low. Because we would not need to worry about market price. Sell the us all the oil it needs then sell off the extras to make profit. Would have worked great for everyone.
I was born and raised in the N end of Idaho, I'm 75. When I was young guys needing work would go over to Noxon or Libby, etc, MT and get work at the mills. The MT state cops would sit at the exit to the parking lot at quitting time and write up ANYBODY without a MT plate. Growing up, it was common to see vehicles in town with ID plates as well as a MT plate stuck up in the rear window.
Frankly I think all this is illegal.
I was pulled over in Texas, because my new car from California (where I lived) because I did not have paper plates on my car, just the temp Registration from the dealer in my back window. CA doesn't have paper plates, so we argued. His supervisor showed and let me go free of charge.
There are some videos from a exotic car enthusiast youtuber from Vancouver B.C. Canada, getting pulled over in California, issued a ticket because he "didn't have a california drivers license" which the idiot cop asserted he absolutely had to have in California, even if just visiting. He thought the situation was quashed when he went to the stations and spoke with a Sgt......Nope a few months later, finds out California issued him a temporary license, so they could proceed with tickets and charges, and convicting in absentia. Absolutely insane.
I was looking through the comments, hoping someone had posted this story. Thanks!
Daily Driven Exotics.... DDE. Good channel.
When a state turns into a 'Police State'..
Great Channel! That video was wild and weird!
His lawyer should be fine asking who signed the permit. That would be a federal crime in both u.s. and canada
“The bureaucratic mentality is the only constant in the universe.”
- Dr. Leonard McCoy
exactly
People from Michigan would live in Florida for 5 months of the year, purchase a car in Florida, and then register it online in Massachusetts.
I kept seeing all these Massachusetts plates in key west, when I asked someone, they said it was quick and easy to register in Massachusetts online, and you dont have to be a resident of that state
When I lived in Omaha NE, the cops used to hang out in my apartment parking lot watching for out of state plates. Part of the problem was that Nebraska vehicle registration fees were insanely high compared to every other state; something like $400 vs the $40 it cost me in my own state.
But one great thing about Omaha is Iowa Western Community College... they gave in-state tuition to Omaha residents and it was cheaper than the DMV.
Steve. In 1980, I moved to a neighboring province in Canada. After about 6 weeks, I stopped by an RCMP station and asked when I had to get that province's plates as I had lived here for 6 weeks, now. No kidding...he looked me, an 21 year old male, and said, "30 days and you were never here."..then he smiled and said, "Have a nice day". I got my new plates the next day.
@Pat Frederick that's eastern Canada. In western Canada, we're just good folks.
@@BubbaBubbinski Until you get to Vancouver, then they become easterners who happen to live out west.
In general cops in Canada are not out to hem you up and they are generally there to help out the public.
@@patfrederick7327 Hey, those truckers were protesting because the USA, yes the USA, required them to have a vaccine to enter in the USA! A USA regulation. Since they were not exactly 100 watts, they took it out out on their fellow Canadians. I hope some day someone parks a 18 wheeler in front of your place and honk a locomotive horn 24/7 for a few weeks to protest a Canadian regulation and see how much sympathy you have for them! The horn thing went on even after a court issue an order for it to stop. The only people that were persecuted and had their rights trampled were not the truckers, but the people living in downtown Ottawa. As for "Canada being almost a communist country", it is ridiculous. You obviously don't know what communism or even socialism is.
@@patfrederick7327 Uh, the US has pretty much the same laws about language. But instead of it being related to french *and* english, it's just english so you never noticed before.
But yes, having laws definitely makes it a communist country. That's definitely a good use of the one language you know.