Removing the factory hard top // SOUP Classic Motoring 47
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- čas přidán 7. 09. 2024
- Stripping the roof from a Range Rover Classic to get at a rotten windscreen frame. Motorised dumpster anyone?
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has anybody ever suggested you have a great voice..diction..suitable for commercials? it is sonorous...with emotion when needed..and such a sly bit of humor that i dig..
love it man thanks, funny enough I used to produce stuff that required hiring voice guys and girls, it's fun work [to watch others doing]
That intro with the spinny roof - so cool!
one of my fav visuals so far :)
starting on my 94rrc, grn, lwb, 280k, a total rust bucket, best 1100$ ive ever spent !! Great Job on these vids man, totally inspired to see its possible Thx !!
Gods Speed
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Right on! Best thing you can ever do... have fun with it :)
Your patience and perseverance is to be commended. I would towed that old rot box to the scrappers after the first five minutes!
thank you
I am following this video from an old one because I have a Range Rover flipped over and I want to repair myself. You are a professional I would like to repair my car
Just want to say that I seriously enjoy watching your videos. I don't have a Range Rover Classic, nor am I good at restoring cars (I have a pair of old Jags that my Mechanics wallet loves me because of) but seriously, well done. These videos are fantastically edited - and very interesting!
I too have an old Jag now, but shhhhh, I didn't say that. If it hears me it'll start absorbing money.
The reason for not using a cord to fit the windscreen is that it is Clayton wright rubber like a Mini.They are fitted with a blade or putty knife from the outside and then a filler tool is used to replace the rubber strips. JUST A POINT THE ROOFS DROP WHEN YOU REMOVE THE GLASS WE USED TO LIE UPSIDE DOWN AND PUSH THE ROOF WITH ARE FEET ON THE REAR VIEW MIRROR FITTING TO GET THEM IN, GOOD LUCK.
Thanks a mill for this Graeme, I learn this very thing today when the fitter arrived. Was made up to find that I'd been using the right method, just with the wrong tools and too much force/not enough experience. that's funny about the feet on the roof, cheers!
Just done a few screens...depends on the type of rubber & the arrangement. One golden rule - never use metal tools! Of all things I've found that heatproof kitchen tongues broken in half to give a single 'paddle' is by far the best tool for manipulating the seal & beading where necessary as its very tough material but doesn't interact with the glass the way that metal tools do, the shape of the padle is also ideal to dig into the gaps & pry the rubber seal without causing permanent damage. Between that & good old soapy water there isn't much you can't do!
Learned this just today from the fitter too. All of it. Wasn't on the wrong track method wise but yeah, plastic dibbers and self made tools all the way! Thanks pal
Well done again. Make the videos as you like, nothing wrong with them as they are.
;)
Always looking forward for your videos
glad :)
I saw the long video on the RRC a couple of years ago, such a useful instruction for a complete rebuild. This seems to be the only reference to replacing this upper windscreen frame, although it is referred to in the factory workshop manual showing the welds, someone said the early body frames were actually bolted together where you said the holes were probably jig holes. I've had all the panels & the roof off before simply to do a colour change & I can't believe I didn't notice the rust under the windscreen rubber right near the gutter drain
The format is great George, as is the progress and work that you're doing. Keep it up!
Cheers Tom
Brilliant as always, George! Fantastic work on the windscreen header.
Proud of this one Bob, stepped back and thought 'when'd you learn to do that??'
It’s a shame this hasn’t circulated enough through CZcamss algorithm. I echo what many people have said in the comments; excellent cinematography, brilliant narration and great project. I’m watching the rest of the series this morning.
great video series. always great content well filmed.
👍 Excellent video ! 😊
For the windshield you can use a piece of curver tube 5/6mm diameter with a piece of rope one and half size of the windshield dimensions. 😉. I'm old school.. 😊.
You did a very good job 👏. Thx from France 🇫🇷
You're killing it George - it looks fantastic.
Getting better I think C right?
You bet. I'd hit those button welds with a little more heat - hot and fast is the way to go with them. I normally set the MIG to the next thickness up from where I weld on a flat position butt weld for buttons. They fuse better and finish easier. Often without grinding. Grinding sucks.
@@ThrottleStopGarage Were you looking at the pair on one side or the single big one on the other? The pair look strange because there was only half a flange of metal under each of them so they're essentially half welds falling off into nothingness, but actually good for penetration without me having to wander out far from where I started. The other one [drivers side] is just bad and got very big before I'd hit any decent depth. So yeah I'm with you ;D
@@soupclassicmotoring That was the one I was looking at. The finished weld looked good. My point is for the next round of spot welds...try the technique and see if it works for you.
I love the blues music in that episode
Always a challenge to find the right music, so thanks :)
nothing like a bit of black paint to make things look fresh. the window frames look great keep up the awesome work
Turned out way better than I expected, they'll be the smartest part of the whole car 😄 thanks man
Yes, the body frames on Range Rover Classics do have a lot of jig alignment holes like the ones on the A-pillar/roof rail joints. In fact apparently they all have some holes in front end panels that are there from the Velar and pre-production days that were only used for assembly purposes on those hand-built vehicles...
That's a fun fact, nice that something carried over needlessly from the VELAR
@@soupclassicmotoring BL really didn't develop the Range Rover at all over its early life, it just got a bit of lipstick like the tinted glass, cloth seats and head rests up until the 5-door came along, and that was only new body side frames so a very low cost change really. That's why companies like Monteverdi and Wood & Pickett could make so much money from offering poshed-up vehicles to those, often, with more money than taste...
@@gosportjamie Don't think I've ever seen a conversion or an uprated one I liked the styling of. There's nothing as sweet for lines as the early cars
@@soupclassicmotoring Yes, they did look very good. Having said that, the 5-door conversions done by a British company, still using the vertical door handles on the edges of the doors did look pretty good too...
@@gosportjamie The door handles were one of the coolest features and I was really glad to see the L322 getting those front wing vents that harkened back to that styling cue.
You did an awesome job, really! This car was so bad, an absolute rustbucket and you brought it back to life, unbelievable.
Cheers :)
Wow, well done! I love the camera work and perspective when you filmed the roof - particularly the "sunroof button" part :-)
Mine is rusty on the side frames, and I have no idea how the top or bottom are, so it'll be a different problem to solve to yours. Still I remain inspired by your inventiveness and motivation to just keep cracking on. I'm off to charge my battery up and begin the detective work as to why my Vogue doesn't like starting at the moment. It runs fine once it's started, so I'm going to start with spark (coil, dizzy, leads etc) and see where I get to.
Had a lot of fun on this one mate. It's nice when you realise something is going to be visually good, really helps with the motivation. Good luck with the roof, and don't jinx me with starting problems. Back! Back!
love the stop motion, love the detail of the work done, you ara a great motivation to keep me up working in my w123
Absolutely love the 123 man, such a sweet little cruiser. Look after it ;)
Fantastic channel, outstanding work and massive achievement on the Range Rover - getting close now ! Thanks for sharing 👍👍
So so close, very excited for the next few days and the next episode.
Anyone else hit like before 3 seconds in?
nope ;)
Oh well, yes 🥳
I'm hitting Like before pressing Play ...
It just keeps getting better. The suspense is killing me.
sweet , my pizza just here , now its dinner and a show ! or is it soup...
has to be olives ;)
I, m from south Europe. It, is incredible how much rust there is in yours classic cars.
You always do an amazing work!!
Temperate climates man... and salted roads. Perfect storm for oxidation. Thanks :)
Just when we thought it was getting close. Can't be any other way though!
Tip for the spotted in paint sections (bonnet, tailgate, etc) is once it's cured up and hardened, hit it with a polisher. Those 'hard' edges will soften a bit, and having the old paint glossed up can also help it all look more uniform. Even if the colour isn't bang on.
Thanks for the tip. Looking forward to learning a bit about polishing. I haven't actually lacquered them yet because I ran out of paint and want to hit them again to fade them some more. Then clear, then polish. Hopefully it all goes well.
Best use of stop motion yet :D ... Don't know if you'll ever get a good result feathering metallics, as there will always be a visible border where the fresh metallic flake sits on top of the lacquer of the original paint. The only way I found of doing it (passable rather than concours) without spraying the whole panel is to use panel lines to mask against, or with tight double curves (eg bonnet swages) use a sharp feather with the metallic basecoat the breadth of the transition, then overspray the laquer topcoat wider and cut back to blend with the original lacquer. Luckily my car was grey and the paint hadn't faded - that's a whole other ballache with coloured pigments. Anyway good luck with it and I hope you prove me wrong ;)
Used the swage lines on the rear quarters to hide the transition and was trying to use the edges between the front face of the bonnet and the sides/top to do the same. Lapsed concentration meant I had already scuffed over onto the rest of the panel with the sand paper before I noticed. No biggie, love this car but not fussy about using it as a training ground. you're def not wrong, it'll never be quite right. Thanks for the experience :)
Great video George as a fellow Range Rover restorer I'm enjoying following your progress.
Good stuff Garry, have you much to do?
@@soupclassicmotoring got 90% of welding done usual both front floors and sills both front body mounts I had to fabricate.
Rear crossmember to do
All suspension bushes and shockers replaced.
Had to replace windscreen used old rubber and it went it fairly easily (not to rub it in)
Just rear tailgate to repair and valve stem oil seals to replace.
Whist the windscreen was out I sprayed the top section of the dash.
@@MegaGarryboy ha no worries at all, I missed a few key prep steps before trying to fit. Love the way you lump valve stem replacement in with lower tailgate as a little finisher ;)
Good job George. I don't think I would have been as confident as you seem with that one.
I have to say, as I have before, that your stop frame production is excellent. It"s one of the main reasons your videos are so different and entertaining. Please don't change that too much. Nothing personal but, hey, the car is the star after all! 😎
No intention of changing it up drastically, just had to have a bit of fun giving some jive talk a go. It's not for me/the channel, unless there's something that specifically needs it. Anything's possible, and yeah, the car's are the stars 🤘🏼
Top video. I appreciate your honesty, with things like “I would have been daunted by this a while ago...” etc. give a pleb like me hope
George great work, next time you're in a DIY store. pick up a tube of Roof and Gutter sealant, is a rubberised sealant and does not set hard like silicone, perfect for windows, used it on two of my Landrover series 2 heated screens and was still pliable 5 year later.
Good tip Jonny, thanks a mill
Love your work man! Really do.
George, Great video and content, I had know idea the roof came off like that on a Range Rover, The amount of work you have done
on this car is really showing now. Looking forward to you getting it on the road & driving it. Cheers Dave
She'll never be a show winner Dave but I'm very proud of her at this stage. This episode really felt like I've come a long way, both with the car and what I've learned. Didn't recognise my own work on the windscreen frame. Hope you're good mate.
The extra bolts on the roof for the sunroof are not there on non sunroof models, but there was two types of sunroof, steel from October '87, replaced by glass in Dec '90.
By the way, you make all this look very easy, shows how good you are.
am I becoming the make it look easy guy?? I'd be chuffed. Thanks man. Yep my one has the glass roof, good to know about the support differences.
Welding Jedi??? someone watches Tavarish...
this channel is amazing by the way.
I just can't stand tavarish his style. To flashy and clickbaitie for me, he does have some interesting cars though.
Total coincidence :)
@@blackbird8632 cant hate the guy,have being watching him since he bought that AMG\SL...probably Nonna die from old age before he converts it to manual though : )
Great progress there George! Weather looked a lot better for you for this one. You even got to work without the extra thick overalls! Good to see the rest of the top rails weren't like the front too.
Bugger about the screen cracking, but I guess it means you get to learn more from another professional now...
Don't speak too soon man, it's a little damp this last few days, with a distinct hint of chilly. You said it, have a great windscreen fitter, hopefully more on that soon
@@soupclassicmotoring I noticed you had it back on at the end again... We get that sort of thing, come September we get some really hot days, then it cools down again for another month or so going into summer.
@@NemoConsequentae Australia?
@@soupclassicmotoring Yes. I've been to Ireland once, about 20 years ago, in March. I recall being in Galway for St Patrick's Day. We started in Dublin & went north then around the coast with some trips in & out across the country. We had 3 essential tools on the trip. A map, a B&B book, & a mobile phone.
I have that same rust heavy forward of the sunroof (91 RR)..this video will surely help prepare me for the worst..thank you. Liked and subscribed.
I love your work !! Keep going
Not that I have any problem with your visage, but I'm happy that the bulk of your content is your amazing stop motion filming. Not seen anyone else do that and it's what makes your content brilliant. I think I've said the same for the last couple of episodes, but you're almost there, well done.
You sayin' I'm ugly? Well I do have an alibi, so stuff it Holttum 🖕🏼Thanks mate, Lotus soon ;)
Factory spec! 😁
Yeah you cocked up the screen install but then again you did better than I would have done... so I call that a win! 🤪
An optimists win ;)
just found your channel and love these videos, just finnished up my engine swapped 86 RRC and took it for its first spin in over 20 years!
what went in??
Telling everyone about you and your vids George. More please.
My 1989 rangie, had repair work around the rear mudguard rear seatbelt locations, that our classic cars go 👍🚙
wow! it´s really noticeable the improvement of your skills, everything is much tidier!
I think that i´ll have a whisky celebrating your work! hahahaha!!!
Cheers from Argentina man!
Really show's in this one doesn't it! Proof that just getting out there and stuck in with even crappy tools will get you places ;)
Beautifully crafted video as usual. Your not to bad at car restoration either. :)
Almost didn't recognise my own work in this one fella, thanks a mill
brilliantly filmed !!...keep up the good work
the production team says thanks ;)
Excellent,so interesting.You deserve a lot more subs !
Cheers Yan, appreciate it
You want to get that roof skin fixed down, spinning as seen in the opening credits will cause all sorts of problems........😊. As ever, very, very good & I admire your staying power on this project. Excellent attention to detail on the car & video. Ps - don't worry about the level of movement you've seen, the original tolerancing would have been fairly wide (5mm isn't that unusual in bodies).
Thought as much when I saw how much compound was in one side of the screen and not the other. Thanks for the kind words mate
Truly excellent stuff.👍
I hate doing windscreens , they are always trouble , not looking forward to doing the one on my project , that's heated too , special order , no longer available - no pressure . Great work on that windscreen surround though .
Thanks a mill mate and very best of luck with the screen, hopefully yours doesn't have the 90˚corners, they make it super difficult.
you have done an amazing job on that range rover...i wonder why manufactures didnt protect the metal work better which could have prevented much corrosion on these cars ???
George, I would've used the cord method. I did it the last time I changed my windscreen on my Triumph Dolomite. Sikaflex is the sealant that was recommended by BL back in the day. I didn't use any sealant when I did the Dolomite and it remains leak free to this very day. I must've got lucky or something. I didn't know the roof was removable on the Classic Rangie.
I'd never really thought about sealants for windscreens until I saw the stuff used on this one. There's an advantage the Dolly has over a screen like this, it has rounded corners. That makes a huge difference especially with the cord method because there isn't a big increase in resistance as you get to the corners. The square corners on the Range Rover glass, and same with the Cortina, get extremely stiff and it's very difficult to get the cord to pull through. Even pushing with a hard tool it's a real strain.
Bit of a blessing in disguise I think George in as much as you got to treat areas under the roof. Pain in the ass about the screen though.. Are you using gasless wire on your mig? Keep pushing George it's getting closer all the time👍
Wasn't long before I was looking at it that way mate, silver linings and all that guff ;) Yep the welder is gasless and not even set up so you can add gas. Will get the new welder soon.
Great ep. Yes, give us more talking to camera!
I've got a question, it's been burning for many episodes now ... why didn't you buy a new cover for the car ages ago and save yourself so much work???
Thanks mate. The cover wasn't so bad until more recently, and frankly I thought I'd be finished by now. Mainly though I'm trying to save to build a workshop.
Having stumbled on this video I am asking myself was it a good idea to sell my 85 RR Vogue 5 door manual that I purchased new and sold for £700 ten years ago. Low mileage but rather corroded. Seeing this-Yes.
It's one thing to make a bad decision, it's another to stand by it ;)
Nice job
Cheers Michael
I did the same on one of the screens on my splitty, fingers crossed for ya on the new to you one 🤞
you kept that quiet
SOUP Classic Motoring I sure did, the replacement one still not fitting right, might end up putting in safari windows yet
@@kieransammon666 must have if you ask me ;)
SOUP Classic Motoring not a cheap item so will have to wait for the upgrade 🤙
Hi George, Did you ever get that welder or narrow down what one you are going to get? Great work as always. Can't wait for the next one.
Nice to see the Range Rover coming together, hopefully the weather won't slow the pace much. How is the dashboard doing after all it's been through?
It's not bad at all and I discovered when I took the glass out that the dash has obvs been out before and wasn't quite put back in properly. It's plenty grubby still so it'll be a good day when cleaning it is the last job.
Good
Thanks
Any chance of seeing how you’ve been storing the thousands of parts you’ve taken off of the two cars? Have you got all the shelves? Or do you rely on a big pile and a good memory?
Till recently that's what the Sprinter was for, it was jammed with all the parts because I'd no storage. Thankfully most of them are back on the Vogue now, but yeah it's been the memory all the way. It's not good. I've wasted a hell of a lot of time recently trying to find all the little things. I've learned a lesson there.
I was also wondering why u didn’t use the rope method
Turns out it's not the correct method for this type of rubber/screen. [should I admit I didn't know that at the time?] I'm hoping to bring a good interview about all things windscreen soon Steven so fingers crossed on that one.
Was their a Range Rover Defender, I slightly remember, seeing one with glass on the roof, also 5here is a Diesel version,band a 4×4 also, you hav3xthexvogue, what is the more popular versionm
No RR Defender, maybe it was some sort of custom you saw. They're all 4x4, and the Vogue was the top model at the time.
Better technique: 8 pints of Guinness, low bridge, close eyes, press down w right foot.
:D Don't drink and drive kids!
With the roof spinning like that be carefull so it dosent take off.
It'd be nice that it was moving under it's own steam even if it was in the wrong direction to be honest
Reference to "Welding Jedi" at 3:42. Tavarish fan?
Must be a great minds thing, don't get to watch much of anything else :)
Get some CO2 mate, gas is cheap, the wire is much cheaper and your welds will be much cleaner and easier to control.
It doesn't even have the fittings for gas. New welder soon though, thanks mate.
I want other videos in the same and more accurate way
Where is the glass fitter based George? I need one and I'm not a million miles from you.
Triple A Niall, they're nationwide. Hope you get sorted.
Why do these cars have a good reputation? They are a library of bad design choices it seems! The car isn't even that old, has it been in the sea for a period of time? They are also specifically destined for wet dirty use. And then on top of this you have the build quality! Aren't these "luxury cars"!?!?! Japanese sports cars known for rusting from the 70s aren't this bad! You are a brave brave man and determined as hell!
28 years is a fair shout, especially for a workhorse. It was hugely rusty for sure, but any car that had worked like this car would have been the same. The luxury thing... was their downfall, really they were a utilitarian vehicle that got shoved into the luxury category when really it was still a workhorse. It was never going to be understood. That's my ten cents anyway :)
Most cars have one or two areas that trap water or mud and become a rust trap, this car seems to have one or two that spots that don't! Salted roads are of course a nightmare too but I still come back to the fact that other companies are able to make cars that were never designed to be extreme duty and didn't necessarily consider salt last far longer. Well done and I'm excited to work my way through the Lotus series!
What do you use to paint the car?
It's brush on over rust type primer from the hardware store. It's good quality but I'm not the person to take paint tips from. I do what I can given my circumstances. Thanks for watching.
Is fetteling high class bodging?
posh bodging yeah :D
I must be a bloody sad ba$tard. Love this stuff. But get on with that Esprit!!
Yeah yeah, I get it. Don't worry mate, soon!
I was cringing watching you with a metal tool around the glass!
Yeah the factors were sent the wrong kit for me, so I went with what I had. Was taking the hit in my hands to protect the screen/rubber so by the end of the day I was bleeding from lots of little poke holes.
Some cat!
Are you a jazz man and talking about me or the actual cat 😁