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Is Taiwan a part of China? | VPRO Documentary
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- čas přidán 4. 09. 2020
- It is more than seventy years ago that the current People's Republic of China was established and the nationalists fled to Taiwan. Is Taiwan a part of China?
In the final episode, Ruben therefore travels from mainland China to Taiwan in search of stories from people in both countries who have experienced this charged history. Why do the Chinese think that Taiwan belongs to China today? What do the Taiwanese want their future to look like? Are they afraid that their lives will change drastically?
In Chinese dreams, documentary maker and China expert Ruben Terlou travel further through China, driven by his fascination for the Chinese and with the rapidly changing society as a compass.
Original title: Het land aan de overkant
Director and Sound: Jeroen de Greef
Presentation and Photography: Ruben Terlou
Camera: Peter Vancraesbeek & Joost van Herwijnen
Editing: Jan van der weken
Research: René van ´t Erve
Executive producer: Marit Gerritsen
Production: Jorike Verlaan
Mixage: Joost Oskamp
Colour correction: John Thorberg
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I am from Taiwan, and it’s a very interesting yet strange question to answer. I am in my late 20s and my generation think we are Taiwanese, not Chinese. Therefore, Taiwan is of course not part of China. The majority of people (of my generation) and younger will not think Taiwan belong to China.
This question exists because of the strange entanglement of our history. Taiwan was ruled or colonized by different people, such as Dutch, Chinese, and Japanese (from 1895 to 1945.) So if you ask old people who lived through Japanese ruling. They will say they are Japanese. It’s no joking. The first president elected by Taiwanese people, Lee Tung-Hui 李登輝, thought himself more Japanese than Taiwanese.
The turning point of Taiwanese history is when the Nationalist Government retreated to Taiwan after failing the civil war against Communist Party. The Chinese Communist Party took over China in 1949, and it marked the birth of Red China. The Nationalist Government and the generation grew up in Mainland China, and naturally they think themselves are “Chinese”. Taiwan island is just a place reluctant or in transit. They will return to homeland one day. Their dream never comes true and time goes by til today.
In ancient China, it’s a long standing tradition that when new dynasty was established, there shouldn’t be anything left from the old dynasty. New emperor needed to “unify” every inch of the kingdom to prove legitimacy. It applies to the status quo. Taiwan is deemed as the rebel from the old dynasty and we are not allowed to exist. So China does everything to isolate us on the world stage.
Identity conflict or crisis is still a big problem in 2020, and it will not go away anytime soon. In fact , political leaders also manipulate the identity problem for their interest here. Populist is on the rise to some degree, which is a little alarming as well.
People from different generation have different take on whether Taiwan is part of China. But it’s certain most young people don’t think so.
Taiwan Strait is one of the most heavily militarized zone in the world. The “Taiwan Problem” is one of (if not the most) sensitive topic for Chinese government. We are like a chess played by both Chinese and American Government. Both sides treat us based on its own interests. Anything can go wrong easily if not handled appropriately. The conflict could be whole-scale, because no one know what will happen if China decides to take over Taiwan by force someday. If America sends troops as it promised to protect Taiwan, the costs of military conflict between two great powers is beyond imagination. It’s not exaggeration, but a reality many people overlook.
Therefore, as an individual from Taiwan, I want to express gratitude to Vpro for making the video. We need more people from all over the world to know more about Taiwan. This is the foundation for future dialogue between us and the world. For anyone still reading, please see the video or share it. Small changes are incremental. Everyone in Taiwan will appreciate it!
P. S. By the way, everyone should visit Taiwan after the pandemics is over. We are one of the role model in handling the pandemics. We are eager to welcome everyone to come and visit. You will not feel disappointed, trust me:)
"P. S. By the way, everyone should visit Taiwan after the pandemics is over. We are one of the role model in handling the pandemics. We are eager to welcome everyone to come and visit. You will not feel disappointed, trust me:)"
That's a bold statement, those eager people might be wise to contain their enthusiasm as the current vaccination rate for Taiwan is 12%
How Ridiculous are you?Why those living in Taiwan all speak Mandarin plus writing Chinese characters or Hokkien dialect and observe the Chinese cultures and customs?
Try read some 中華history if you are able to understand.
This is an excellent journalism and it's so rare these days. Ninety percent of people in Taiwan consider themselves Taiwanese. The rest is just politics.
You realize that the ROC was never apart of PROC right...
Most of my Taiwanese friends would say Taiwan is not part of China. Over the years Taiwan has developed it's own separate identity and culture. I have been to Taiwan and I felt Taiwan has its own culture.
True been there 4 times and also been in China. They are different, even la language is not the same thanks to the cultural revolution in China, recommended by Stalin some say. People over 40yo do not see themselves as linked to mainland, most of all they are so proud of what they have achieved and they see what going on in Hong Kong, they know you must NEVER trust China CCP if you want to survive. Look what happen with Covid they never trusted China reports and there are the results. Taiwan must be free and independent they are by fact.
What the hell is Taiwanese
Culture ???
@@jowgakungfunycchinatownmar4287 guess mix of originals people from the island , chinese and japanese all together.
@@mlgcarra that is only least than .05% of the population on Taiwan and has been a interracial Cultures for 200 years .. Just like can we call American Culture with the tiny "Mixed Natives" Population looking like European as Natives .
@@jowgakungfunycchinatownmar4287 well take it this way. Its a mix of good Chinese and japanese value with a touch of indigenous people. And on not clear by good Chinese value i dont mean communist one. All i know is i felt observered and controlled in China and so independent and free in Taiwan. That i so people afraid in China, scared to talk about certain topics and so free and independent in Taiwan. That's all i know. That's why i love Taiwan and not so such China Period
It has long been my understanding that there is 1) Taiwan, Republic of China (island), and 2) Occupied Taiwan (mainland China).
@Richard Yang Warning: your sense of humor module has been corrupted or is not correctly installed. Please contact your system administrator or local Party propaganda chief for further assistance.
Title is wrong and misleading. Taiwan was never part of China.
? You know anything about history mate? lol what a troll
@@sharkb8754 Wu Mao you obviously don't
@@blyons123 Anglo Saxons usual tactic, divide and conquer, turn the Chinese against the Chinese ;) Unfortunately most Chinese aren't dumb lol and can see right through it
@@sharkb8754 Ok Wu Mao,. Taiwan existed before the evil CCP. I've said nothing about the Chinese people who are victims of the evil CCP. You're obviously delusional. You sound like one of the low intelligence CCP party toads
Blaming & doubting each others intelligence ? ! Surely that will solve the issue ! ! Maybe (like often) war will be the continuation of politics by other means (Carl Von Clausewitz 1792 - 1832) until the most powerful wins & oppress (as per normal). Not necessarily the best option of course.
In all official maps, Taiwan is a part of China, both in the constitutions of the Republic of China and the People's Republic of China, Taiwan is also a part of China, the Chinese living in Taiwan call their country the Republic of China, which is also written in in their constitutions and on the cover of their passports. There is no country called "Taiwan" in the world. In fact, the civil war in China that started in 1945 has not ended. Some of the 23 million Chinese living in Taiwan want to split from China, while the 1.4 billion Chinese people Most of them are completely unacceptable. If a vote is used to decide whether or not Taiwan is independent, the party that advocates Taiwan's independence will have an overwhelming defeat. The United States has taken advantage of this chaotic situation and used it to create trouble for China in an attempt to contain China's development, and the current ruling party in Taiwan also regards American military power as their only bargaining chip for survival. The real purpose of the United States is to dominate the Pacific Ocean and block other countries on the mainland, especially China. Because of Taiwan's important strategic location, the United States regards it as a pawn to restrict China. Once the Pacific War begins, Taiwan will surely become a battleground for both sides, and the artillery fire will be ruthless. The United States is seeking the entire Pacific Ocean, and China can only smoothly free up its legs to move forward by putting its testicles (Taiwan) back in its crotch.
Taiwan was either part of Free China, Japan, Qing Dynasty, the Netherlands or Portugal (or native Taiwanese). It was never part of communist China.
For anyone wants to know what the majority of Taiwanese think of independence, look no further, just look into the result of 2020 presidential election. The pro-independence DPP's candidate Tsai yingwen secured 72% of the votes. It tells you all.
No. Vote Biden doesn't mean want Biden, just don't want Trump.
Taiwan isn’t China. Ask anyone in Taiwan.
All big conflicts are very complex, but at the end of the day, it's about how much value you give to freedom. If it's a top priority, you will pick a side: Taiwan and Hong Kong vs China, South Korea vs North Korea, Israel vs Palestine, India vs Pakistan...
*I don't know how but they make the Documentaries on the Topics I want* !
Fantastische docu zoals we dat ondertussen al gewoon zijn van VPRO. Objectief & informatief plus de oprechte emoties opinies (als die vrijuit durven praten tenminste) van de betrokken mensen langs beide zijden van het debat. Dank u wel VPRO
On the caption to read from English subtitle.
*IT HAS NEVER BEING*
In short, YES, Taiwan is part of China
Now close the video. I just saved you 40 minutes. You’re welcome.
Peace between China and Taiwan. No to war.
Great documentary
is anyone gonna talk about the fact that all interviewees were named mr. Wu?
先有中華民國，後有仿名建立的中華人民共和國，或許，該反之問，中國仍是中華民國的一部分嗎？
如果沒有網牆，沒有限制媒體、人民的言論自由，再給中國人投票選擇權，他們還願意讓中共皇權繼續統治嗎？
Well, here's the thing. Suppose that CCP spontaneously disintegrate into several separate parties, and mainland China have some sort of general election, I would wager the party getting elected would be some hilariously far-right ultranationalist party. And we would end up with the exact same set of Taiwan straits problems.
The mainland Chinese are, in general, very nationalist nowadays, especially the young people. And that is without intervention from the "Communist" party. Hell, the party is only taking advantage of this sentiment (which admittedly they had a hand in creating). And that's what's so fucking scary about the whole thing.
Democracy doesn't mean that people won't elect right-wing nutjobs with a irredentist streak. There are plenty of examples of government doing crazy shit with democratic, popular support. Democracy only means that powers are diluted, and there is less chance of that happening, but it is not sufficient to stop it from happening.
@@BicyclesMayUseFullLane Real democracy (or the weakening control of Beijing) will lead to the collapse of China.
@@BicyclesMayUseFullLane The cohesion of China is far weaker than that of Canada and UK (both are real democracy). That's why Canada and UK can afford referendum to keep their countries intact while China can't.
@@profriday Well, not really, Canada is actually pretty decentralized (John A.'s dream of strong centralized federal government never really panned out). While currently Wexit is being treated like the joke that it is, it could very well be the start of something resembling Brexit. Also, people don't appreciate just how close that '95 referendum was, how close the confederation was going to fall apart.
Talking about Brexit, I wouldn't be surprised if there is going to be another push for Scottish independence. After all, the promise that kept the original IndyRef from succeeding was that UK would be part of EU. So UK is really not a good example either.
As for real democracy? Well, there are democracy that have a very centralized structure. Still a democracy, though. Of course, it's not a panacea, and solving real problems would require resources and political willpower, democratic or otherwise.
Great documentary.
To be honest, Chinese people outside of China and Taiwan never thought of Taiwan being a province of China. Many are sceptical of made in China products (low quality and dishonest stated contents), and prefer made in Taiwan products (better quality or at least honest in stated product contents).
Should one day Taiwan becomes part of China by force, we will stop buying made in Taiwan-China products.
By the way, you speak excellent Chinese!
Wrong title. Because Taiwan was never a part of China
Some words of wisdom from the locals of both divide.
I like China more, but it depends who you ask.
Humanity
I, a mainland Chinese not supportive of the Communist ideology, would also be willing to fight for the unification if necessary. For WOKISM is a greater evil.
countries wont recognise it as separate becuase it will fuel separatist movements in their own backyard... eg. uk, spain, usa, canada, etc
JogBird Taiwan is not separatists. It's where the real government of chine is.
@@fin31337 A United Nations has no recognition, haha
vie Lee that’s only because un was created after ww2 and Soviet Union was against it.
@@fin31337 Speaking of Taiwan, I know my people all too well. Don't believe the lies from all politicians. Both KMT party and DPP party are corrupt and steal from the people to enrich themselves, their family, and cronies. Taiwan is not a real democracy. Taiwan's judicial system is very corrupt. What defense official says about Taiwan fighting until the last soldier is pure fantasy. Before the first shot fired, the "leadership" would escape abroad with their stolen treasures to setup "Taiwan government in EXILE". We are not that stupid to die as cannon fodder for these corrupt government officials who secretly possess Western passport and citizenship in violation of Taiwan's law. I'm certain there will not be a big war to resist China. Military's role is to escort high government officials along the escape route. If war comes, there is no doubt Taiwan's generals will defect to China to claim huge rewards.
déjà vu And now imagine how corrupt the ccp is, and the rights of the people there mean nothing at all, absolutely nothing.
I believe that this is not in your interest at all.
did you shoot banana peels back haha lol
Is Palestine a part of Israel?
If not, then so does Taiwan
I lost all respect for china after they started holding Uighurs in concentration camps.
Too bad most of it is not in english... Or any I scrolled through anyways
Use the subtitles Sir
Taiwan is always a province of China. The title of the video is silly and inappropriate.
You have been brain washed since you were born