Tragedy of Air India Flight 1344: What REALLY Caused it?
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On the 7th of August 2020, Air India Express flight 1344 crashed down into a Ravine after a failed landing attempt in Kozhikode International Airport in Calicut, India. In this video I will be discussing the many different underlying reasons for this crash and what we can learn from it.
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00:00 - Intro
00:31 - All In The Detail
01:30 - Flight Overview
03:16 - Off The Shelf Medicine
03:54 - Table Top Runways
05:11 - Dubai Departure
06:30 - Cruise And Approach Briefing
07:59 - Descent Towards Kozhikode
10:24 - "Just See That It Works"
11:40 - Approach For 28
15:31 - A Very Busy Cockpit
18:15 - "I Hope It Works"
20:05 - Unstabilized Approach
22:47 - Gliding Down Runway 10
24:16 - Touchdown At Last
25:52 - Too Late
27:13 - The Jigsaw Begins
28:22 - Collating The Evidence
29:04 - The Flight Crew
31:51 - The Company
34:17 - The Airport
35:05 - Report Outcomes
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Crash 6: @ ANI
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Wipers: @ cockpitbuilders.com
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Crash Image: @REUTERS/Stephen Hird
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Crash Site Images: @DNA India
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Mona Lisa: @ Leonardo da Vinci
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Air India Express Flight 812: @ India Today
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Air India Express Flight 812: @ Bureau of Aircraft Accidents Archives
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Company 1: @ UNKNOWN
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Another excellent detailed presentation and well worth the wait, what can an FO do if he observes the Captain to be “unfit” to continue flying the aircraft and the Captain refuses to relinquish controls? I’m assuming there is some company mandated procedures??? Thanks again for another great video.
There is big problem associated with ownership of this airline.... This airline was started by sir Jamsheji TATA, and his policies to run business was good enough to stop this type of accidents...
Due to internal politics in India distroyed this airline culture.... Once its handed over to government due to laws made, air indias reputation etc etc got ruined
Wilco
Government owned Air India has now been "auctioned back" to descendants of the family the socialist government of the day originally stole it from. As to what caused the crash, government bureaucratic inertia and opportunistic political squabbling over land acquisition leading to unsafe sites for airports all played their parts.
I'm there at the time of crash
Being from India, I can confidently say this expectation of respecting (by not questioning) the hierarchy starts early in life. You are berated for questioning parents, teachers, etc. so much so that it becomes second nature to just accept the judgment of an authoritative figure. I really do feel bad for the FO in this case. thank you Petter for covering this tragedy with such empathy!
@SassySam ur doing a really good job parenting!
I am only now learning my own personal boundaries from how unhealthy the power dynamic is from traditional households. I wish i had learned them sooner because they can cause a lot of harm
Sounds a little like Africa.
Same case for Airblue crashed into Margala Mountains back in 2010. Captain humiliating First Officer
This is not always a bad thing. In Germany we have many migrants which are do not thinking much about Germans. So it happens really nearly daily that an elderly person asks eg for quit smoking in the train, and gets cursed at and really extremely frequently gets severely beaten or stabbed. This is a huge problem in German cities. That bad that newspapers and police don’t show since 2017 any migrant background.
RIP first officer 👮Akil Sharma. Can't get over the fact that he couldn't see his new born son. Rest in peace dear friend.
How is his wife doing now😢
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@@xyxxyz243 Hopefully she learned to use a toilet instead of the street.
Despite the terrible accident 169 people survived and 21 lost their lives, thanks to the wonderful people who volunteered with whatever vehicle they had to take the injured to the hospitals.
We the people of Kerala will never forget that dark rainy day because this was the second tragedy to have struck that day. 70 people had lost their lives in a landslide at Pettimudi earlier the same day.
I AN SO SORRY TO HEAR OF YOUR LOSES, I PRAY YOU WILL GROW STRONGER😇😇
Rip to the souls lost
i didn't knew... i don't know where i was at that moment. kerala also suffered from flood the same year, if i remember correctly. covid times...
But did they all smell like curry and run 7/11s. DIRKA DIRKA MOHAMMED JIHAD!!
Yes.. It was a horrific day for us.. Two tragedies in a few hours gap.. 😢
This video made me think about how my dad regularly says to me “the wrong decision is better than no decision” even if the captain had kept reverse thrusters and full brakes rather than muddling in indecisiveness the incident would likely be less severe
Its the same feeling when you overtake a vehicle and there is another vehicle approaching in the opposite lane closing in fast .. double thoughts happen and you are in doubt whether to accelerate and get back into lane or pull back and try again .i think the capt here also felt the same , the concept of go around went through his mind im sure because he restored the reversers at one point and the thrust levers were in TOGA according to crash pictures of cockpit.
“More is lost by indecision than by wrong decision.” - Cicero
That is the most important lesson taught to every military officer. Indecision kills. Leadership is less about making always the right decisions than being able to make a decision quickly with good situational awareness and then stand by that decision.
wtf.... its clear he didnt follow the rules of the windshield wiper, he didnt listen to the first officer, collaboration is important. I dont agree that you take quick bad decisions while flying an Aeroplane. That is not the take away from this video. Listen to the recommendatios from Investigations he told at the end. Those are the take aways, not "taking bad decisions".
@statetechguru4804 The point isn't "Make a wrong decision" the point is the captain's waffling was itself a decision that bought him the worst of all worlds.
THis one hits close to home. I have had this same experience as a First Officer at a Mexican airport. I called Go Around, used his name, tried to get attention and nothing. I simply took over the control by yelling "My aircraft, my aircraft". He let go and remained silent until basically downwind. I had to select my own gear and flaps up and back down. After I landed he was still in sort of a daze. I told him to 'take control and we will talk later. Just taxi to the gate and don't worry. We are still a team." Had I not taken action, we would have crashed.
Wow. So what was the reason for the captain's lapse in your case?
Like the other comment. I’m wondering what the reason for his daze ?
Wow. Respect.
As just a pax, i wonder how often that scenario happens and is there ever a tussle with a captain insisting on staying in control. What rules/crm then applies?
@@chodeoriki4113 partial or "soft" incapacitation can happen for seemingly small reasons, the brain just goes into a weird mode sometimes. Thankfully, pilots are trained to recognize it in their counterparts.
@@__Andrew_ Typically when this soft incapacitation happens there is no challenge from the incapacitated pilot. They’re not responding to call outs, so it’s pretty unlikely that they’re able to “fight back”. They go through strong training for pilot incapacitation and since French Bee 711 (Mentour Pilot has done a video on this one as well) there has been a lot more training on recognizing “soft incapacitation” instead of the other pilot completely going unconscious, which had been the previous training focus on pilot incapacitation. So, likely, even when a pilot enters this soft incapacitation, they are still “in control” enough to release control just like what happened with the OP here.
I can’t help but feel particularly sorry for the first officer here. My airline has started encouraging the monitoring pilot to intervene in high pressure moments like this now, but thinking back to when I had 2k hours and sat with training captains, the instinct to take control is heavily suppressed by faith in the experience of the captain. Deciding to grab the controls off him might also result in an accident. It’s a lose lose situation.
In this special case the FO had full situational awareness and offered again and again his assistence and help to the Captain - but the Captain not only never accepted this help - he flew the aircraft as if he would be a single pilot in the cockpit. This type of Captains seems to be from another time, a time before CRM was introduced. I wonder what would have happened if the FO would have done what the recommendations made it posthum his duty: to take over the control of the aircraft. But this will of course stay speculation.
Personally I would not blame the FO. But this sort of Captain is outdated since a long time - latest since the Tenerife desaster back in 1977!
I had a great Flight Instructor when I did my Instrument Rating and he told me one very important thing.
No matter what happens, do not let the other guy kill you.
I currently am a 2000 hour first officer and you can't help but think what you would do in these situations. I would love to believe that i would step in and intervene ... Just like the book teaches us ... And a lot of people would say so too. But when you're actually in that seat facing conditions they were having . Its hard to say what one would do.
@@NicolaW72 I don't agree with your way of thinking. I even believe that your colleagues will experience your being such a captain some time without you even noticing it. Let's explain why: we are all human beings, whatever time we are born in. We are supposed to maintain a good working culture by ourselves and are being challenged all time by our own physiological and mental weaknesses (and I'm very weak on that point). The instant we start to believe that this working culture exists by itself, for whatever reason: that it's given by social progress, that it's a personal achievement that you're not able to loose any more, that you're somehow not able to behave normally this particular day, or whatever, the instant you give up working on it, you loose. So you cannot say that some misbehaviour is from some ancient time, it is universally human and that's why we train. This captain seems to have lost his mind out of a sense of duty that led him to take everything on himself and experience his own weakness, maybe for the first time. In his view on Aug 6, bad CRM was going to be of a near future time, maybe after a remarkable career without any incident, and presumably because of something as simple and human as hypoglycemia and the impatience that comes from it.
I can't help but think that if the FO did take control and save everyone, the captain might have become belligerent or he may have still been punished in some way.
My best friend in college lost her classmate in this crash. Really sad to see how it happened.
Sorry to hear that
As a passenger I typically land 5 times a year in kozhikkode which is just 45 mins drive away from my home. What is even bone chilling for me is the AI 425 which was in runway during the diversion of first approach is the usual flight i take when i fly to my work (its in Delhi). Hats off to you for this accurate depection of events.
One thing to add is that: monsoon in kerala (indian state where kozhikode is located) is pretty heavy and the rain drops are so big (it hurts to ride a motor bike in kerala's rain due to heavy water drops). Morever, Typically when it start raining, it tends to last for 3-4 hours non stop.
Every single analysis where there is loss of life, Mentour Pilot states the number of lives lost and pauses - to let that sink in - demonstrating the gravity of the loss. I like that despite, huge numbers of videos - he does not get de sensitized and neither then does the viewer. He really does a good job with these. Explanations, cadence, non sensational, really great.
Indeed.
Amen! One life…one hundred lives. Same impact…same importance ❤️❤️❤️❤️ No need to sensationalize the situation to sell ad space. Principles are important
Yeah, I really appreciate that he just treats it as a proper sombre moment, and doesn't turn it into melodrama.
For me the loss of life statement was followed by a quite insensitive ad break.
@@carstenhilbert5472 Yeah, CZcams ads can really kill the mood.
"I hope it works" is never the thing you want to hear from someone who has 200 lives on his hands, even when there were many other factors at play for this crash 😶
He likely meant if it didn't work he would have to go around again like he did the first time, not that he would crash.
Just to let you know, the pilot was a former Experimental Test pilot.
My fiancée gets hypoglycemia sometimes. It’s no joke. It seriously degrades decision making, gives her literal tunnel vision, etc. I can absolutely see how this could cause an accident.
yep and the scary thing is, sometimes you're able to notice it way earlier before they are able to notice it themselves! I tend to remind my gf to eat from time to time when she has glassy eyes and she tends to isn't focused that much, trying to find the right words.
Dad was a diabetic. He used to get super super confused when his blood sugar was either low or high, was very scary to witness
This crash is extremely similar to the Air India Express flight 812 crash which happened in Mangalore, Karnataka on the 22nd of May 2010. Both of these planes were boeing 737s that were flying into Southern India from Dubai and crashed after runway overrun due to pilot error.
Yes. It was horrible. One of the survivor from Kerala was in shock for more than six months and he never returned to Dubai because he was scared of boarding a flight again.
Both are table top runways. In Mangalore crash only 8 people survived out of 200
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Petter's hard work educating people. Time to send an email to my friends who work at Blue Origin and at NASA. You never know what they might do to contribute, or to sponsor videos.
The house shakes a lot when the rockets take off + the noise is loud; yet it's a thrill to watch from the backyard!
The airport (Calicut International Airport) is located nearly 30 km away from where I am from, Malappuram in Kerala. Although it was the peak time of the pandemic and the state was under lockdown, people in the vicinity came down to the site and took part in the extensive crash rescue operations, without being bothered about Covid-19.
Excellent rescue operations done by local people..
Ith iniyum sambhavikathe irikatte
Probably because the Wuhan Virus has a survival right of 99.7%
I see a proud malayali up here🤠
liar the crash was in 2014
As someone with type 1 diabetes I can say first hand that hypoglycemia even minor can cause someone to become very confused and disoriented. Some people can’t feel hypoglecemia coming on as well. I think pilots today are required to have a CGM, continuous glucose monitor, which gives a glucose reading every five minutes. This pretty much negates all risk with a diabetic pilot, assuming they have decent blood sugar control, which is normally also requirement from what I’ve read. Love your videos! Always so detailed!
The pilot increasing speed during landing is a very "I've just walked into a room but I forgot why I'm here" response to being tired. He likely spaced out and forgot if he was landing or taking off for a few critical seconds. RIP everyone who didn't make it.
It's more likely that he was having a low blood sugar. Reaction time, and decision making are both severely compromised when in that state. It's like being highly intoxicated, and oftentimes people that are hypoglycemic are often mistaken for being drunk. Based on how he was talking on the flight recorder and the slow reactions and poor decisions he was making, as well as the apparent confusion he was experiencing, all point to being hypoglycemic.
Or he wanted to abort the landing but then he became indecisive
This happened near the hospital where I work as a doctor. I had just reached home after a busy day and had turned on the news having coffee. Immediately came back to the hospital and the scenes were catastrophic. Most of the casualties were children. Hoping that such accidents don't happen again..
I’m sorry you experienced this
Watching this to see if my video is accurate! Great job!
Hey!! Great to see you here. I only saw that you covered the event yesterday when I was researching titles.
Hope you liked it! 💕
I really hope you guys Collab someday.
@@MentourPilot thats great that both are appreciating each other..!! Lot of respect
Wholesome exchange
I actually had just watched your vid Wednesday and was like '....this accident sounds familiar'
This is one of the few occasions where it seems like a company in the aviation Industry doesn't want to learn from its mistakes. This is so sad for everyone who lost someone in this accident.
Power gradients are socially ingrained in India. Juniors of any profession are expected to stand up when seniors enter a room even in casual situations. Juniors refer to seniors as "sir" or "madam." This happens in any profession, such as in medicine. It is not considered acceptable to question a senior, and often seniors speak down and in a disparaging way to juniors. I do hope this is changing. Some respect is, of course, required, but teamwork is necessary.
It always feels especially painful when human negligence and hubris, in a non pressure situation, contributes to these accidents.
I dont think it was a non pressure situation, but definetly a situation professional pilots should be able to handle.
@@jakoblang5750 I don't think they are referring to the time of the crash, but the circumstances that resulted in the wrong medication, high power gradient in the cockpit, broken windshield wipers, wrong windspeed readouts and so on.
@purforme the same human negligence and hubris where I work (a big public building), when I say to my boss "this... doesn't look good, that is dangerous for people in this room" I get answers like "no, that was fixed with a nail" or "there was an inspection last year, it CAN'T be dangerous" or "this is not my responsibility, it's the responsibility of Mr...." they just push away their(!!!) responsibility!
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I had the same reaction. Heartbreaking and pointless loss of life. Well presented by Petter, with dignity for those who were lost. Thank you for that.
I typically "watch" videos on my second monitor, while I am doing other things. Petter's videos however, deserve and get my full attention. Another great one, my friend.
Thank you so much 💕
I have the very same set up buddy and believe me I know what it's like to give preference to one monitor for one thing! Thanks a million!
Wow. Dude that's a flex..XD!
he's talking way too fast and have to slow it down!
I used to study in the same town Calicut and would often go home by flight every nine months. Whenever we landed at Kozhikode/Calicut airport, I'd start praying. It's a table top runway in a valley and very short. And I knew the dangers of this.
There's a similar one at Mangalore airport- and there was a crash there too
Wow, thank God for your prayers, that's probably the only reason you are alive today. I pray every 5 minutes or else I might die from a meteor landing on my head.
@@idothings6685 😂
@@idothings6685 lol
Bro…
I am working in Dubai for the last five years. I used this airport for all my vacation travel. I didn’t pray but still, I am alive.. what a surprise 😂😂😂😂
@@Junaid_Paramberi That is medical miracle.
I work in finance, deal with India on a daily basis, and can say with full confidence that this business culture of never questioning superiors and being intimidated by them exists and shows no signs of changing
As a retired RAF Aircrew Officer, I am highly impressed by this presenter and the thoroughness of his deliberations. His manner of remaining eyes locked on to the lens of the camera is so reassuring, it wouldn’t be overstating the case that with editing, Petter’s? analyses might be used to supplement basic classroom/simulator training. Fascinating. I’d be proud to be on his flight deck.
I’m afraid of flying but would feel a lot more confident if MenTour
Pilot was the Captain 😊
I’m a retired pilot and have to say I’m impressed with your videos, very detail oriented and well explained. There is a couple of flight incidents you could look into, Aeroperu flight 603 and Faucett flight 251, the latter was also to land on a plateau runway. Keep up the great work. I love it.
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This high authority gradient thing reminds me of a similar situation in British hospitals where patients were dying because none of the assistants in the operating room or on the hospital ward felt able to warn the surgeon or consultant when they observed problems or mistakes being made. The surgeon/consultant was God and you didnt speak to him unless he gave you an order. I remember there was a lot of publicity some years ago, calling for a change in culture and protection for whistle-blowers, in the interests of the patients. I haven’t seen anything about this in the media lately so perhaps things have improved. The lives of the patients/passengers are sometimes the very last priority of the consultant/captain.
As I am 80km near this airport i can clearly say the civilians in the sorrounding area was so fast and helping which made the faculty very less. They wer the real super heros in this sad accident.
Schedules are important, safety and CRM are far more important. Perhaps the early departure and the late arrival checklists might want to include something about the state and wellbeing of the flight deck crew. SOPs exist to ensure safety. Another outstanding video Petter, many lessons in this one.
I get that the financial bottom line matters a lot but weren't go arounds changed to non- penalizing actions to ensure greater safety? IF so why would tight timelines still be a thing when they have such an impact on flight crews? Shouldn't someone other than the senior of the crew be capable to call "this is unsafe" "we need a scedual/personell change"? Would that be a decent change in relationship change between crews and companies? I'm asking because this isn't the first accident where there was a problem with one of the crews and the senority gradient was high, causing a break down of communication...
@@Craftymom1o19 I got this joke for you!
What do you call a Volvo that flies?
An airplane Made in Japan.
Yeah I would wonder what will happen to Boeing if a 737 MAX crashes in Japan?
I bet they are going to the same route as Fokker did, going out of business.
@@Embargoman sorry, I don't understand this.
I was waiting for this particular investigation since could not get hold on accident report. So nicely presented Petter, as if this can become a training documentation. The thing which makes more sad is learnings from Mangalore accident were not implemented.
Very well presented, the way you got into each and every detail is so amazing. This is truly on of the worst air crash in India after 2010. Sad part is that no lession is learned after the 2010 Mangalore crash.
Unfortunately, the power gradient, which he talked about, is high in our country in any job or service rendered, be it government or private. Although, it is lesser in the latter, but it still exists. Sometimes, this fear of losing job or insubordination can make people myopic and less aware of the grave repercussions they may face for not correcting their seniors. Same thing happened here. Yeah, faulty equipments and other factors also played their part, but the moment of disaster was when they glided on half of the runway and didn't make a favourable decision.
Everytime you describe the cabin crew and disclose a large agegap between the captain and FO I start to expect the worse
It's heartbreaking that some of these incidents start off with the smallest things. It's like United 173 in Portland in 1978 where a burned-out light bulb started a series of events that led to a fatal crash in the Portland suburbs. I enjoy your explanations and takeaways. Top class quality presentation as always, Petter.
That was exactly the incident I was thinking about when he started to talk about the wiper failure.
I always believe that catastrophic events often start with almost insignificant incidents. When I find myself sailing in very hazardous conditions, I make sure that no actions are taken that might start a chain of events, nothing!
That would be a great video for Peter to cover.
Wasn't their another one just like that. The Eastern Airlines that crashed in the everglades? Crew more worried about a burnt light crashed into terriane.
@@kenaston4220 very , vey smart of you. As you know all crashes or accidents are never a cause of just one incident.
Is there a reason our man Petter hasn’t hit 1 mil subs yet? Let’s go people, best aviation content on CZcams.
Thank you! 💕
Hi TTD. Perhaps it has something to do with your handle? I suggest "The Round Trunk" or something like that. I do agree that Petter deserves 1M.
@@roderickcampbell2105 my handle has zero to do with Petter’s number of subs, and I like my handle, so I’m gonna keep it 👍🏻
@@thetowndrunk988 Fair enough TTD. I have nothing against your handle. I was trying to be witty. I often fail. Cheers.
It’s probably you tubes Whacky algorithm. Doesn’t reward good original content. It will push millennials “reacting” to tik tones and animals doing things. It’s embarrassing.
I have type 2 diabetes and I have experienced low blood sugars several times. The symptoms include difficulty in making decisions as well as hesitation even if a decision is made. It also can cause your body to just not work correctly. I once sat in my car for 45 minutes with one foot out the door but I couldn't make myself actually get out of the car.
I am not a pilot but I really enjoy listening to you explain these events. Thank you for taking the time to do this.
But Sir, every episode of this or similar channels predictably has one ending _ pilot error, especially if pilot is killed in crash. Weather conditions, control towers laxity, mechanical faults are all brushed under the carpet which makes one feel that these reports are more filmy than actual
Thank you for the details inch by inch.
The crash happened not so far from my native. A major accident, condolences to the families who lost their dear ones. A well detailed technical explanation. I would appreciate if all the content reaches as a training material in India's pilot training centers.
I remember it during failure-safety analysis, "The Cascading failure"
I hope so too, from what I hear the service on Indian airlines is very excellent compared to many places, but from the few accidents I have watched analysis of on CZcams, it sounds like the seniority and hierarchy culture may need some stronger CRM training to overcome. It's important for a FO to be able to question/correct the captain or even take control when they *need* to in situations like this!
@@revenevan11 The F/O should have started to become assertive long before his physical intervention was ever necessary. Once they deviated from the stable approach, it's an automatic 'go around', because things after that point start happening very fast and one is just asking for more trouble if you don't do a 'go around' and re-set the approach.
First class video as usual, Petter (and Dominic) - this is why quality always wins over quantity!
Thanks Joe! It feels much better to release a quality video. Hope you enjoyed.
I completely agree! There are lots of air crash videos that tell us what happened, but very few put us in the cockpit as it happens.
In some of these events - maybe including this one - it might be enlightening to have a real-time account of everything going wrong. As in this case, the "crunch time" probably began with the destabilization of the approach. I recall a Mentour video several months back that, after the full explanation, had a real-time segment via ATC recording (IIRC). I was stunned by how rapid it was.
@@dominicMcAfee there is not only great footage/animation and good video cut, but also great FLOW in the story and good narration, sound, not too long and not too short... interesting details...
@@flagmichael great feedback thanks so much.
After rejecting FO's initial toga recommendation, pride didn't allow him to quickly reconsider and I think he basically panicked after that. BTW, since when does ATC's convenience (reason stated for one of landing plan change requests) get considered, ESPECIALLY in bad weather, faulty ground info calibration AND etcetera?!?
Also, I agree that if FO HAD usurped control, unstable pilot may've freaked out (ONLY knowing his authority's just been taken, but still NOT being able to function otherwise), referring to the "lose/lose" situation mentioned 😣.
I am from Kochi, near Kozhikkod (pronounced so), and the details of the accident inquiry report was minimal in the media. Being a retired aircraft mechanic and interested in flight safety, I was keen to know the reasons that caused the accident. The matter that the wind shield wiper was not working is news to me. They should have chosen to land in an alternative airport.
Your genuine face when you talk about loss of life gives me chills. I'm very much an empath and it gets me teary eyed every time. Thank you for these videos. They break into my true emotions and make you appreciate how fragile these times and how fragile life is.
I feel you. KnightRaven did a memorial for a CZcamsr that died recently, MittenSquad.
Yeah it's silly sounding but I'm still a wreck over it.
I hope you give the video a view btw
I am reminded of a training exercise in a completely different field, where the textbook led us through a sequence of minor wrong decisions that led up to a disastrous outcome.
Absolutely. That’s how all these accidents work
@@MentourPilot well, sometimes there is a BIG problem that no amount of right decisions can overcome, but in this case it was the cumulative result of a bunch of poor decisions that happened to all align.
I wish there was the equivalent of an air crash investigation team in medicine!
@@californiahiker9616 There is at many hospitals. My father ran one for many years.
I remember keenly following the news after this accident, where scores of people started coming up with theories and claims into what happened. I was waiting for someone credible to explain this to the general public and avgeeks, and who better than you! Thanks captain, Class complete!
most of the theories does get end up correct though
@@JithinJose2 what you talking about. the initial theories where, hero captain turned off engines to save from explosion, the aircraft skid off the runway becuase of rain and all of these were media made up theories. I even remember media making animations on what actually happened.
@@isacjohnson8891 Clearly we both are not following same media :)
@@JithinJose2 what theories did you hear initially and it was true??
The irony is that there was never any chance anybody would get it right enough to ensure it could be prevented from happening again. Just too many moving parts, so to speak, led to this result.
Growing up, I used to take flights both to and from Calicut during our school vacations. I was in Calicut at the time of this crash and it haunts me to this day.
This made me realize how important it is to avoid petty anger. I think we all have had some minor tantrum because we are wrong and someone gently corrects us. Most of us do this rarely, or as children, then we learn to be thankful people have our back, but on a bad day I can still get irate if someone tries to help me with a move in solitaire. That’s what this reminds me of. I think in this case the destructiveness is more apparent, but it’s real in every case when we react in anger to anything. Patience is a virtue, and it needs to be a habit as well. Controlling emotions is our own job, and it has real consequences when we indulge in this kind of pettiness. Low blood sugar or no.
I love the flow of the story / the editing in this video in particular, I must say! Have you been trying something different here? Also, the ATC transcriptions are a very nice touch! Thank you, Petter, and Petter’s team!
Finished watching and feel that the joyful tone in my comment above was inappropriate. I left it when I was halfway through the video. I wish this story had a different ending 😔
@@funastacia While the story has a ending not agreeing with the tone of your comment. I think its still fine as yoh are expressing enjoyment of the delivery and as a content creator he will probably appreciate it
The only different things I see here are those "flashback memories" short clips added, where he repeats what he said earlier in the video. Everything else is usual stuff.
O Kay
She doesn't give a rats ass what any of you think. She's talking to Petter.
I thought your Swiss cheese analogy was peak brilliance, but Mona Lisa's smile without rest of the painting is a just as brilliant analogy. Made so much sense, thanks for another excellent video.
Thank you. I like working with analogies, it makes things easier to understand
@@MentourPilot ... Peter, your work is absolutely fantastic and you deserve a lot of credit, but not for the Swiss cheese analogy which I strongly suspect precedes your birth 😇
Yeah, that was a pretty good one. I kept wondering during that if you were going to show just the smile. Well done 👏🏻
@@MentourPilot Do a video about the Boeing 737 MAX if the plane crashes in Japan and while it crashes in Japan, about Mitsubishi making a competitor against Boeing, to see to compare Boeing with Fokker.
This will be a good explanation to say if a Boeing 737 MAX crashes in Japan, and then Mitsubishi comes along and release a plane to compete with the Boeing 737 MAX then compare Boeing with Fokker and then if Boeing after a crash of a MAX in Japan Boeing becomes the modern day Fokker.
The title of the video will call The Day That Boeing is Gone Forever if Mitsubishi turns Boeing into The Modern Day Fokker.
I really do believe as Japan makes the best in the world that even Qantas from Australia gives the middle finger to Boeing in favor of Mitsubishi after a first of a Boeing 737 MAX in Japan and yet a Japanese competitor will turn Boeing to the fate of Fokker and Boeing will be gone forever.
Is like when I compare Boeing and Mitsubishi then Boeing is an unarmed man Mitsubishi is a man with a gun and then the man pulls out the gun who represents Mitsubishi and then pulls out the trigger that aims at the unarmed man that represents Boeing and the man that represents Boeing gets shot and killed, as it will be viewed as two companies that competes on the same product.
I bet this comparison is like what will you be after Boeing goes out of business and then you end up with Mitsubishi planes.
In this day of age a Boeing 737 MAX crash in Japan will turn Boeing into the modern day Fokker.
@@MentourPilot I've stolen your analogy for our software team, hope you don't mind :)
I can’t stop binge watching your channel! I stumbled upon it and my first video was about the Concord. I’m hooked. Your voice is nice to listen to, you make the information very easy to understand, and I feel like I’m sitting across from you on a couch listening to your very detailed and interesting accounts of aviation history. Keep up the great work and amazing content!
Indian here, was living in Kozhikode at the time of this accident, my dad knew the pilot fairly well
My dad said he tried (the pilot) everything to minimise casualties, which only seems to apply to the last few seconds.
Hats off to everyone living nearby, first response was incredible, as is always in India, everyone tries helping with stuff like this and that minimised casualties, i remember reading BBC the next morning and seeing this.
It also shows the twisted way Indian culture grooms kids, your superior's words are law, no questioning it.
Mate, the thrust levers indicate that he was probably attempting to take off at the last moment after seeing how bad he messed up.
oh, thanks @@SAL-9000
As a critical care nurse, one may have a tendency to disregard some of the patient monitor alarms, because most of them are frivolous. However one cannot afford a cavalier attitude, because one never knows when a "frivolous" alarm is an early warning for something ominous. If the captain had taking the time to hold and rebrief before the approach, or divert because of the broken windshield wiper he may have completely changed the outcome. So thanks for the video. I watch these videos because I can apply the lessons in general aviation.
Absolutely. It’s all about braking that vicious chain.
There is an unusual amount of similarity between the medical field and aviation. Only that the fly guys have had protocols and SOPs for longer so they're better, hierarchy is toned down a lot and the science is more straightforward and well understood. Still amazing to see the similarities!
@@fsmaNjaRe That’s an excellent point.
I think you could more or less term that as a type of "Victory Disease". Basically, you get so good & experienced at something, that what began as the over-caution of the new & inexperienced, became realistic caution, and finally has become a *lack* of caution. "I know what I'm doing, I've done this forever, I can do it with my eyes closed". And sure, most people with "Victory Disease" *probably could* do whatever it is, eyes closed. They are often genuinely that good, I do not want to take away from the captain's experience or a surgeon's or so on and so forth.
But then these kinds of situations come about. Where, it doesn't matter how good you are, the compounded factors of various equipment failures and outside factors has rendered a situation where failure is not just possible but likely.
@@fsmaNjaRe When I worked as a nurse I attended a lecture on medical mistakes and they used the same Swiss cheese model that Petter mentions in his videos.
The co-pilot should have taken control of the plane as soon as the captain failed to comply with the go around order. He should have said, "My plane." and pushed the TOGA button.
The pilot had clearly become incapacitated and the co-pilot failed to recognize and act on this factor.
In a perfect world, that would have happened, yes.
@@MentourPilot in India, respecting elders is deeply ingrained in culture. Also the Late Captain was from the Air Force, which might have added up... hope their souls have attained peace
@@gauru2303 one of the reason why I wouldn't put my life in the hands of Indian pilots or other similar culture pilots as they are more likely to not communicate as well as other pilots with different cultural background. It is so furiating to see this kind of accident happen by people who should not have a job as pilot which is responsible of so many lives. They need to have certain type of training to break off their cultural respect for elderly people before going into pilot training. These culture should be banned in Aviation industry. I don't hate this kind of culture, it has pros and cons but in the aviation industry, it is absolutely terrible.
@@maxyu1534Get lost man. I wouldn't put my life of any Western pilots who are absolute dumbheads and corrupt companies like Boeing.
Toxic work culture in Air India express would not allow first officers to take over captains. It's just on books.. When it comes to reality we are asked not to test captain's ego. Happy that now Tata took over this poorly maintained airline.
Thanks for these amazing videos! I am a flight surgeon in the military and it's my job to prevent aviators from getting into situations like this. This video does an amazing job highlighting the importance of pilots taking care of their health and not taking any medications without discussing first with their flight doc. Even with a two person crew, having one person incapacitated, increases the work load to a degree that can be very unsafe. Thank you again for all your videos! I am not a pilot myself, but your videos have really helped my understand the amazing work the aviators I take care of do everyday. Take care!
I noticed in the final report that the First Officer had a breathalyzer blood alcohol of 0. I infer that that means he was still alive for a while after the crash. So very sad that the guy didn't speak up more firmly, or take physical control of the plane when he realized what was about to happen - heartbreaking, really, that he didn't survive.
This was likely before CRM Crew Resource Management
@@nieshamccoy9419 CRM is a thing that’s been around since the 1970s or 80s. This incident happened in 2020. There is 0 chance this was before CRM, when CRM had been around for decades before the accident.
If you're referring to the extract of the final report seen at 30:00, the breathalyzer result is from a pre-flight check - if you read the paragraph it's taking about pre-flight checks and says "at this time" his breathalyzer result showed a blood alcohol level of 0. The next paragraph then talks about the post mortem and that his injuries in the crash were fatal.
Being from India, these two tragic accidents will be etched in my minds forever. Your detailed analysis of the accident has illustrated the chain of events leading to the tragic event of the ill fated flight. As you have amply made clear in all your videos that numerous factors are involved in such accidents and pilot's error is not the only factor. In adverse situations, the work gets really difficult for the pilots.
But I think human error is the main cause of the accident.
Yes, the basic flaw is building a constrained runway - which is a absolute no no. That Airport should not exist of at both the end by additional construction runway needs to be extended. If Japan can build an artificial Island to put aa very large airport, doing construction works at the both ends, should be doable.
Lot of things can happen and additional 30% distance should be there to control the aircraft. I am not a pilot, what am I telling is the minimum flying passenger experience I have and common-sense and my engineering background.
@@rahuldebchakrabarty1848 There is nothing wrong with the runway. Many airports operate with much shorter runways. The only contribution of the airport to that unfortunate chain of events was a possibly malfunctioning wind speed measuring equipment.
@@rahuldebchakrabarty1848 do you believe our country has that kind of approach and Culture. Secondly it clearly states that the organisation has the problems.
@@sunshinesuen6998 human error can have systematic and operational causes, as was highlighted in the report. it's easy to dismiss all of the contributing factors in favor of blaming it on "human error" bc that provides us a scapegoat (aka the individual flight crew) to shove all the blame on. luckily, that's not at all how the aviation industry works- they look at the real root causes and try to fix them. that's why air travel is the safest mode of transportation there is.
like the report said, the main (root) cause was improper management by air india, then it was the airport's technical issues, then the other miscellaneous things
A sad and tragic story, which you have documented here so professionally. As you said, there were so many individual (the Swiss cheese model) factors that contributed to this accident - you detailed each one clearly, and also explained how each factor impacted on the outcome. For me, one of the most important takeaways was the CRM - there were several times where better communications between the Captain and FO could have altered the outcome, and it is so sad that did not occur in this instance. Can see the hard work that went into making this video - thank you Petter, absolutely fantastic as always!
You are completely correct. CRM is crucial and we are spending tonnes of time on training this to our crews.
Absolutely right!
It often makes me wonder, if the FO understood that the Captain was going to kill him, would he have reacted differently?
Personally, I bet he would have!
@@brucejones2354 That's a very good question! Probably.
I am young 28th years old engineer work 3 years with India supervisor, idk what to say. It's almost true that they lack of things like calculations, preparations, and to many times they break the uncommon procedures.
I just discovered this channel and have immediately become a subscriber. I'm in the airline industry and really appreciate all the explanation of details in each of these videos. Thank you for being so precise and making such great content.
Knowing thoroughly professional people like Petter are flying our planes helps put this anxious flier at ease. Accidents like this happen but it is comforting to know the industry is always striving to learn from its mistakes. Superb video as always.
Thank you! Glad to hear you find it encouraging 💕
Until the Boeing Max fiasco, I agreed with you. Now I no longer think the industry is serious about safety and learning from their mistakes, they're only interested in $$. It's cheaper to pay out death benefits than to make planes safe. I honestly don't know if I will ever fly again, my trust in this industry has been incredibly damaged. It has NOTHING to do with experts like Petter but everything to do with the true evil of our world that is capitalism.
@@samhhaincat2703 The EVIL, my friend, is that Satan's influence is allowed in the ATC Tower: Little last-minute changes (runways, direction), miscommunications, urgent status omissions, shift changes w/o correct hand-offs, killer overconfidence and, Satan's fave, PRIDE!!! It all adds up to disaster, tragedy and 💔 heartbreak😮💨😖😫!!!
Awesome video!!
Investigators hit the nail on the head when they indicated airline mismanagement. I'm so glad now the Indian government has sold the airline to Tata, a private conglomerate which is already operating 2 more airlines. Hope things will be better.
Better for corporates
@@ismailkm1 you would rather trust the incompetent government to take care of the airport safety
I love how he uses flight sim for shots in the video! Even using the same livery! It doesn’t go unappreciated man! Thank you!
You definitely earned an easy subscription from me. I have read articles and watched documentaries about many of these crashes before. But it’s fascinating hearing the perspective from an active pilot. Really great narration and fantastic simulated visuals. Also very succinct, tasteful and sincere Regarding the victims and human loss. Great work on the channel. I’m off to binge watch some more videos 👍
I'm a firefighter in London and your videos will help me understand if the unthinkable happens also I have learnt so much from your other videos.
The concord 1 I really found informative keep the good work up.
Thank you! I hope you will find this one usable as well.
Thanks to those guys from the village who rushed to the crash site without listening to the airport watchman to save so many lives
I recently found this channel. Great stuff, well made, very interesting. Keep up the great work!
I’ve never been interested in this type of thing before but you tell the story so well and along with the editing and the tension of what happens, it makes your videos interesting to watch 👍🏽
Not a pilot myself, but thank you so much for raising the awareness and building up the aviation community with the focus on safety and engineering, I know how important that is!
I did read the report when it came out. The one thing that struck me was that the report never dug into the history of the Captain. He screwed up time and time again on that flight. Pilots who perform that badly, generally have a grim history. But, this report just blames it on his meds and light meal. I feel it is a cover up.
The focus on his meds and light meal are likely because hypoglycemia is entirely reasonable to explain the behaviors of the pilot, in particular the slow reaction times, and lack of awareness about his own incapacity. The symptoms of hypoglycemia are very similar to being drunk, and as a T1D, the first thing I do when I feel at all drunk, despite not having had any alcohol, is to check my blood sugar.
It’s entirely possible that this pilot _was_ screwing up time and time again on approach at this airport, but the hypoglycemia is very likely to be just as significant a factor as if he had had a few beers just prior to the landing, and no one would question that that would be sufficient to cause the accident regardless of his prior issues with the airport.
Yes because he was hypoglycemic for many hours
@@puellanivis can be very similar to hypoxia too
Ummm have you ever seen someone go into hypoglycemic shock? Its not very different from how people function during a localized seizure. They’re totally out of it and it gets worse the more time that goes by.
@@Tsumami__ hypoglycaemic shock can start mildly. It can manifest as someone suffering hypoxia, localised seizure or even grand mal seizure where the body goes into full convulsions. It might even manifest as arrhythmias (really rapis heart beat, a kind of heart attack). So yeah.
Extremely tragic incident. Petter this is an incredibly well-produced video, far more detailed than any other.
Being from India,
Thanks for talking about this crash
Yet another good one, Petter!!
When I think of the number of hours I wasted when younger watching over dramatised, detail lacking Air Crash shows on TV.... 🤦
Keep up the incredible work! ❤️
I will certainly try.
Thank you for being here and supporting the channel.
I agree. It’s really good to have the facts and technicalities without endless shots of people screaming in terror. We can all imagine how it might feel to be in the aircraft when this is happening, it’s so much more respectful to just look at what can be learned (and, as a passenger, the reassurance of what has been learned!).
Mayday/ACI isn't that bad. Some of the others though...
I am from Kerala and I was so curious to know what had happened to Air India flight 1344 , Good job man this is the best explanation i've ever seen ☺
I really appreciate how Mentour Pilot always takes a pause to respect those lost. Never fails to do this.
Yes a subscription from Kerala, India. Earlier I used to watch but just be casual but when I saw something detailed that happened in my province from you which was technically detailed and uncovered by media, I have a sign of respect for you. Also thanks for giving a detailed and genuine video.
Perhaps one day you will produce a full length documentary. Your skill is tremendous ! Cheers from Saskatchewan Canada !
You want me to make the videos LONGER? 🧐😂
Yes !
😂@@MentourPilot
Very sad. I believe the captains diabetes played a role in this crash. My brother who also has diabetes has displayed the same behaviour. Confusion, dizziness, poor choices, etc. Once he has had something to eat and takes his medicine, he’s fine. Sadly, he passed away four years ago, because he kept forgetting to do what I described above. It’s possible this pilot also forgot. My condolences to those who lost their lives, and to their families and friends. Very informative video, Captain.
You are a great story teller. I love how you explain complex things in a way everyone can understand. I also really like how you are extremely respectful of the lives lost and don't over dramatize things just for views. Lots of respect for you. Thank you for your professional videos. 👍
As a person who has taken off and landed in CCJ, the tabletop is a pretty frithtening experience
A very sad and sobering event, rest in peace all souls lost in this accident.
Dear Mentour; this is a very sad story.. I was just wondering if and when can a first officer forcefully take over control if he or she feels that the pilot in command is putting the safety of the plane in danger? I am looking forward to your response
Mentour should respond to this comment, however, my understanding is a first officer must and should definitely force a takeover of control with the phrase "I have control" whenever he perceives the commanding officer's actions (or inactions) to be a direct danger to the plane, or if he believes such actions may happen in short order.
very good question actually. Most FO would be hesitant to do that, which happened on this flight.
@@stanislavkostarnov2157 Thank you for answering this one! Having consecutively watched quite a number of Peter's videos where captains' poor judgement wasn't successfully overruled by FO's who had really serious concerns about the situation, leading to fatal results, I can't help wondering whether this cockpit power gradient issue is as rife as it seems at first glance? And if so, whether it's been either exacerbated or ameliorated by the staffing changes forced by the pandemic...? Would be really helpful to hear a pilot or cabin crew's perspective!
BELOW 1000, SINGLE CALL MISSED.....ABOVE THAT 2 CALLS MISSED.....BUT ITS COMPLICATED....SENIORITY, FATIGUE, LOTTA OTHER THINGS COME INTO PLAY....
This is a common issue though. A number of crashes have occurred where there is too steep of a command gradient and the FO has known what's wrong, not felt empowered, and the captain has crashed the plane. Mentour's video's taught me about the command gradient and this was applicable to my day job!
First time on your channel and I already subscribed. Excellent, thorough videos!
This is an excellent analysis and how small actions were initially mentioned to correlate towards the end. Also, this particular investigation was something I was looking for, although airport is closer to where I live and a similar tabletop runway accident had occurred 10 years ago. My son and I are always waiting for these videos ( somehow missed thsi) and this also like a tutorial for those aspiring pilots/maint.crew, / ATC. Great going and really excellent work.
Its amazing that I've been on board of this CZcams channel's journey for a long time and see how it is shaping over time. This channel will be an aviation reference. You deserve all the best Peter thank you for your hard work.
Thank YOU for being part of the crew! 💕
Yup, it’s an institutional level quality resource.
Professionally explained. Indeed, the centre point is the 'chain of events' effect, either directly or indirectly induced. There's always an explanation, as long as it remains objective. Once again well done Captain.
Thank you! That’s what I’m trying to explain with all these videos.
Thank you for commenting and interacting. It really helps!
It seems amazing to me how common it is for people to pick out one causal factor for a problem, and to latch onto that one factor as THE cause.
@@grizzlygrizzle The pilots fatigue + bad attitude indicated that he should have refused to do this flight. It shows the pressure they are under from the airline, which is inappropriate, putting lives at risk + profit first.
This channel is just phenomenally competent and professional. Thanks to the producer.
We always used Rainex on our cockpit windows applied regularly, which makes the wiper redundant even in the heaviest rain, it's amazing stuff. 🙂
This accident was caused by the Captain's negligence and it cost the lives of innocent people including that of the First Officer who clearly knew their landing attempt was far from optimal. Tragic.
The FO was a pussio. He didn't need to wait for the captain to respond to his go around. He should've been direct and take control. I don't get why anyone would keep quiet when it's their life at stake.
This is actually not true.
The Accident was caused by 3 big factors, only one of those is the Captain. If CRM would have been better, accident would not happen. If organisation was not having the many issues described, the Captain would not have been in the situation. So please do not put the blame on the Captain and instead focus on the many other People who failed in their jobs in order to create the situation and let it play out this way.
This accident was not only the captains fault. It was caused by a large number of chain reactions that led up to the crash
@@BernhardWelzel👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 we love nuance
chain reaction started by Captain's bad decisions @@PerryPlatapussi
How better to describe this video than: "Absolutely Fantastic" !
Dominic McAfee's editing really makes the videos shine. They are like top quality training videos now.
Thank you! ❤️
I love Mentour Pilot. You can tell he just loves aviation and cares deeply about the not only the overall safety standards of the industry, but the safety of all the individuals flying, working on, and riding in the planes.
Just love watching your videos ! The content is so detailed and you present it so well!
Another excellent video from you Petter.
Absolutely horrendous accident which should have never been allowed to happen.😲
Talk about the holes lining up.
Also ❤ the T shirt.😊
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It's interesting how often a power gradient between Captain and FO exists in these crash videos. As has been my personal experience with both Chinese and Indian professional cultures, there is great deference paid to job titles and age, where you don't question a boss. Surely there are many non western cultures like that. While in can simply be a personal difference and debated, in aviation it's clearly not a good dynamic. The whole point of two pilots is for safety from cross checks and two minds. You don't need a second pilot if they are just there to flip switches.
I LIVED IN ASIA FOR 13 YEARS, WE WERE LOADING 50 TONS WITH TWO CRANES. I SPOTTED SOMETHING AND TOLD MY AIDE TO STOP IMMEDIATELY, HE RAN TO CRANE CHIEF BUT PATIENTLY AS HE WAS SPEAKING TO ANOTHER PERSON, I'M YELLING, GIVING HAND SIGNALS TO STOP. THE CHIEF TURNED AROUND MY AIDE BOWED, THEN TOLD HIM.😇
I agree that there is great deference to age and job titles in some cultures but to suggest "there are many non western cultures like that" is just wierd. There are plenty of cases where non western cultures have shown very good CRM and many where western cultures have shown similar power dynamic problems.
Love your narrations, explanations in beautiful way .The excellent CZcams videos I never miss
Your video's are great love how you show detailed animation and great narration wonder how I missed your channel all these days .. subscribed and love from India. 🙏
Superb video and as always, an objective and empathetic telling of the story.
Such a sad ending, but you explained really well about how you use this incident to inform your own choices and decision making.
Also a great example of poor CRM and the devastating impact that company culture can have where a FO is not confident in calling out a Captain even when they can see they're in a dangerous situation.
You never failed to amaze us with the quality
Thank you! We are really working hard to keep this up, tgats why there might be a bit of a delay to some videos at times.
Glad you found it interesting!
Obsessed!! Great videos! Very informative and very well edited, all around Great!! Please keep them coming!
I love your way of calmly discussing every possible aspect of the problem
As a B737-800 FO Minute 26+ really made me cry. I feel for the FO very much. You always have to stay on the tip of your toe, especially in the critical phases.
This is no doubt one of the best aviation channels on YT and definitely the one with the BEST presentation ! Have flown into CCJ (as a passenger ofc) several times and the landing on the tabletop is not what I would call an enjoyable experience ! !
Thank you! I can imagine.
Thank you Mentour Pilot. I am a subscriber and respect your analysis every time.