ULTIMATE FIX TO BOWSTRING SLAP "ARM AND FACE"
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I have slapped my wrist many many times with the bowstring while shooting archery. When the bowstring slaps the arm it is normally because of bad form in the archer. The other reason there is sometimes bowstring slap on the wrist is that the bow may not be tuned correctly. If the brace height it the right height then bowstring slap on the arms is a lot less likely to occur. We need to be careful and diligent to avoid this dreaded slap of the wrist. Avoiding this bowstring slap is all about the form so that is where we have to start!
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The one thing about brace height you may wish to mention in future is that if a manufactured bow has a brace height recommendation, it's best to not go over that, as it may put excess strain on the limbs, contributing to earlier than expected limb failure.
THANK YOU! My wife started to get into archery after she enrolled my son into it for school. She had a 16lb recurve bow that was was a pleasure to shoot. Then she bought a new, much more expensive bow that hurt on every shot. I slapped my wrist (not my forearm) every time. It was much more extreme for me (with a longer draw length) than it was for my wife who also had the same problem. Turns out the bracer height was 5 1/4" when it should have been a minimum 8 3/4" given the riser and limb length. After twisting the string and hitting 8 3/4" bracer height, I can shoot the bow with NO arm guard!
Props to you for taking all of those videos of the string slapping you in the wrist so you could show us what's happening in slow-mo. I'm sure that didn't feel good so thank you for putting yourself through that.
Hi Kramer, I enjoy your videos very much, as a Pro Archer, staff shooter for Browning, High Country & Bowtech, and many years of shooting and teaching, one thing that is overlooked quite often is a shooters stance, it is either open or closed, and sometimes, somewhere in between. A recurve shot is a lot quicker executed shot than with a compound as you know, but a proper stance is the key part of form, similar to addressing an opponent in martial arts. A proper setup in form, with a good stance, will automatically set up a proper distance between the forearm and the bowstring, it is known as an archers triangle, up the arm, (Left arm for right handed shooters) across the chest, and down the arrow, and adjusted as needed. As for Tab Slap, well, that is an inherent, and ongoing problem with a tab, not so with a glove, or an under the chin anchor point. Trial and error with present a comfortable stance and anchor, but it does take time, and a little experimenting. I hope this helps a little. Keep up with the great videos, and thanks for promoting a sport I have loved since 1960, I am now 75, and still shoot until the joints say enough is enough. I have gone traditional, and enjoy it a lot, compounds were getting to complex, to expensive, and outa control...lol Cheers Mike :-)
i was "death gripping" the bow and would constantly get either wrist slap or bruises just above my elbow crease on the bicep. an archer instructor suggested holding the bow almost just with my thumb and palm almost as if i had my hand against a wall, so i could rotate my elbow and position the elbow/bicep area entirely away from the string. this worked instantly and i havent had a string slap since
Love your content. Started watching a year and a half ago. Saturday I made my 1st cuts and today I finished tillering my 1st red oak, 25lb selfie. (No back). My wife’s bow is next and I want to make sure we don’t hurt ourselves. Going to be trying all your advice!
I've had bowstring slaps many times on one of my old bows. Thanks for the great tips on how to prevent them!
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I made 2 pos bows years ago. Watching your vids has inspired me to learn more and make a great bow :)
You're so positive grounded Kramer.
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That's a beautiful bow!
Great tips. Also is this to prevent face slap: Pull it back further past corner of the mouth and plant thumb joint on back of jaw. This has the draw hand to go backwards to slap only air, not the face.
I've never had this problem, even when using my first bow for the first time. I guess my father is a good teacher.
Helped a lot man cheers
Thanks Kramer.
i still recommend arm guards, they're not even that much for protection but if u slap ur wrist the string will glide off so you you still have somewhat of a clean shot
Good stuff, thanks!
Thank you!!! I was so confused. I always shot longbows. One day decided to buy a hybrid bow and all uf a sudden I had stringslaps at the wrist bone. Started filming myself to see if for some reason my form changed. But i never checked the bracehight. I am now having fun again in archery. Thx for this simple tip❤️
Some folks use a high wrist grip on the bow, rather than a flat palm hold. The high wrist is how most archers hold the bow handles on recurves and compounds due to how the handle is made. Longbows have a flat grip and favor the flat palm grip. If you choose to grip a longbow with high wrist grip, it can actually be painful to do so, therefore for some shooters, raising the brace height can be the only option. Always good to wear an arm guard, not just to protect your arm, but it holds loose clothing out of the string path. Enjoy the videos.
I use a tab but have never encountered the face slap. Another way to reduce the string slap is to make sure the bow is resting on the meaty part of your thumb. The bow hand shouldn't be up and down rather turned over a little and that will help the string slap.
You can avoid string slap,with a full grip.The trick is,to keep your shoulder low and some slight bend in your elbow.It is the style Howard Hill used and it takes a bit of practice to be consistent with,especially if you are used to a more upright static target archery style..
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You've described my shooting style well.
I don't use a guard and don't get my arm slapped!
Wish I had watched this BEFORE first shots of my new hickory self bow. Might not have a scrape and bruise on my arm. Brace height was OK but my form was crap. Really tense. Better now. thanks.
twisting your elbow out will move your arm away from the string reducing the chance of arm slap
I tell students to point their thumb at the ground then hold the arm still and rotate their wrist back to neutral. Most people don't understand when you say rotate your elbow out of the way.
nice! Bows looking great! I only see my pops once in awhile, and like him see those little accomplishments too. Even though a hell of a lot work can go into it! Especially your 3rd, and 4th time... could so easily see myself sharing this story so it makes me laugh, but no.. I think I'll spare him the black, and purple arm 🤣 good stuff!
For bows with a shorter brace height I've found that using a thumb grip instead of your palm helps alot.
Yes exactly I have a homemade longbow with a 6 and 1/4in brace height. It slaps me alot with a palm or recurve bow grip style. I was actually looking for more information about low price Heights shooting technique.
@@stevejenkins9984 my brace height is about 5 inches on my longbow, with about 70 lbs. Draw weight at a 29 inch draw. And I've used the thumb grip for years. With no problems, it just take some getting used too if your new to it.
@@stevejenkins9984 also if you have the extra room for adjustment without weakening the bow you can remove a little more material from the limbs. Very carefully of course. Especially if its homemade.
I'd go with changing your grip first.
oh thanks, that could help me, will try tomorrow!
I'd really like to see you make a bow with a radical reflex, no deflex, with long static non bending recurves at the tips. Then I'd like to see how it chronographs compared to your standard deflex, reflex bow with bending recurves. Both bows need to be close to the same poundage. You do good work. Bet you could do it.
I agree with your suggestions about wrist slap, however I would like to add one of my own, it involves foot placement, open your stance by moving your right foot a little bit much like in baseball when you're trying to pull the ball down the third-base line, this moves the string away from your chest, a little bit eliminating the wrist slap.
Have you tried shooting left handed? It’s really cool when you can switch up on the fly. Makes people go.... “WHOA DUDE!!!”
It teaches you how to shoot with both eyes open. Sometimes necessary for situational awareness or acquiring quick target sight picture (say from horse back or on the run). It becomes instinctive.
Good Video, and Good advise, now with that being said I shoot a 62" Edge Takedown bow that is set at 55 pounds of draw at 7 and a half inch brace height and 28 inch draw. I actually draw 26 and a half inches here. So the first thing is at this draw length I am pulling about 53 pounds, and I tend to hold the bow stiff because of the draw weight. The manufacture recommended brace height range it 7.5 ( 7 and a half inch ) to 8.25 ( 8 and a quarter inches ). Now my actual draw length with an 8 inch brace height gives me basic 55 pounds of draw.
Its really a mind/quible. I don't per se notice the difference between 53 to 57 pounds, but my mind knows its there, and I am doing shooting tests with the bow. I have the bow modified with custom forward leaver assist arms that i made and mounted on the bow. This makes the bow draw at 75 pounds at 8 inch brace height and my just over 26.5 draw. When I shoot the bow at this power level I notice that I seldom have any issues with string slap on my forearm. I don't at 55 either. My concern though is that if it did slap my forearm with these poundage's I am sure it would hurt like a Massy Fergison, and I just think that the wrist/forearm guard is part of the shooting/archery equipment. If you dont like wearing a bra then burn the damn thing. I like my arm guard, and have even been looking at a really cool leather one that is like a lace glove that goes around the whole forearm and looks like something in Game of Thrones, and of Medieval/LOR garb, and it runs about 20 dollars.
I also shoot with a 3 finger leather glove so the Tab thing doesn't really create a problem for me either.
Now the only issues I am dealing with is making 900 grain arrows with 2114 aluminum Easton shafts. I am inserting 300 spine gold tip hunter carbon shafts inside the Easton aluminum shafts and then puting on a 175 grain feild tip. The aluminum arrow is 31 inches long so I can use them in the shooting experiments with different bows, and or if I have taller people with longer draw lengths they should provide a slight lenght range to use.
Anyway I get long winded. I intend to make some YT video's about the bows and arrows in the near future. I always enjoy watching yours. Happy Shooting. Haratio.
According to my calcs., from the time of release to the time of the sound of the 79 yard impact reaching your recording equip., you're shooting at over 700 ft/sec. Fast bow! I've slapped me arm numerous times but once (the last time) I ruptured a vein and had a lump almost as big as a golf ball and just as round. Haven't done it since, a low brace height was the cause. Thanks Kramer
I hope you're kidding about that fps my dude
I'm saying that an edit made that shot seem fast. Not an intentional affect, just an effect.. think about the time that passes. I'm not picking, I shoulda lolled but poor sense of humor. This channel has great info!
Best way to fix string slap is to press your bow hand flat against the wall and focus on twisting your elbow out of the way of where the string would be. During the exercise you should be twisting your elbow so that you can no longer see your inner elbow. Practice this and replicate it when you shoot next and it should fix the problem
String slap is from poor form. I had a great teacher, I don't wrist slap. But I still use a guard.
Usually I relax my wrist after the shot falls, that causes the bow to tip over sideways and as a matter of consequence I avoid string slap
Most of the time, string slap is a matter of how you are holding the bow. The back of the handle should rest on fleshy base of your thumb. If you are resting the handle against the heel of your hand, you are probably going to get slapped a lot more than someone holding it right. Also, many new shooters tend to swing the bow to far to their side. If you are getting slapped regularly, take a look at how you are standing. Find a comfort zone that is not so far to the side and see if that helps. I have been making and shooting bows for about sixty years. I really enjoy your videos. I wish more people your age would get involved in the sport of archery.
Raising your brace an inch also shortens your draw an inch that can seriously mess up your setup. So unless you are way off in your brace height or want to swap out or re-tune all of your arrows and also shoot with less power but put more passive strain on the bow i would just use a bracer instead or try to adjust your shooting form.
Oh and Thanks for the videos
Pretty good. But twisting your string may cause additional problems depending on your bow. Some bows don't like it. If a bow is wiggly side to side, you will twist the limbs.
As for slapping your wrist, it's just a matter of grip. Be it hard or gentle, you have to keep your wrist straight.
Slapping your face though, I've never had that problem. Just try to keep your release as clean as possible.
I shot 65# to 75# bows (recurve and compounds) all my life. Most of the issue with 'wrist gauld' or as you call, 'slap' (more of a string-scrape, actually) is (allowing for a properly built bow without damage to riser or limbs) related mostly to 'weak hold wrist'...as humans, we use a LOT of improper form to hold things, and when we are pulling against something heavy or resistive, we tend to not let our muscles do the work, but we rely on the anatomical 'joint stops' to help us. In the case of 'holding a bow at draw', we take our bow hand (right handers know this as their left hand) and we curve our wrists INWARD so that our hand is unnaturally curved into an 'h' with our forearm. Doing this, we don't have to force muscles to hold the bow resistively, but we are relying on the bone-stops in our wrist, along with cartilage, to hold the bow. By doing this, our inner wrist goes INSIDE the brace...and 'making your brace height taller' only helps HIDE the problem you have to start with...and THAT IS FORM! Now, you want to really see how bad your form is? Tape a straight dowel or ruler to your arm from inner elbow to wrist, and try to shoot. Proper form means you don't really notice the dowel. Improper form will show you just how bad your form is, by doing this. The reason that a 'full wrist guard' lessens or eliminates the 'inward curved forearm' is that your mind recognizes it as a brace, and does some correcting on its own...your hold your wrist STRAIGHTER! Now, practice what I am saying with your own bow. Watch your forearm go INSIDE your brace zone when you first draw. Then, you'll try to over-correct the next shot, and you'll be off target...because now, you are trying to TORQUE your bow hold to force the correction (while still being lazy)...resulting in torque to the riser as you draw and release, resulting in WAY OFF TARGET shots! Then, you realize, you must hold a STRONG forearm-wrist to shoot straight and correct for your original bad-form.
If you get string gauld with a well-built bow...it is either too much draw weight for you, your arm is too weak to hold proper form to control the bow in-draw, or you have an anatomical problem that you may have to address beyond conventional 'bow mechanics'. If you are having to change your brace height to avoid string gauld, you have improper shooting form, guaranteed! I can take a recurve and set the brace height from 2-12 inches, and never gauld once... brace height manipulation is NOT the fix here...
thumb release is solution. u can get thumb ring and put arrow on opposite side. I have 6 inch brace and dont slap myself
I made little leather rings that go on the tips of my fingers
i have inherited a lakota longbow that has a very low brace height set. I'm pretty afraid of breaking it if I shorten the string. Any idea?
First time I shot a bow, slapped my arm. My dad nodded his head like a sage, "Keep your arm out of the way". Never have done that again, lesson learned.
Thank you for the video, as always it was great.
I was looking for more info on Brace height and the effect on the arrow. I shoot a bow with a brace height of 6.25", it just happened to be what I bought. I saw something about how it allows the arrow to receive more of the energy from the string, sort of like a longer barrel on a rifle. For hunting this is a good thing, can you go into that a bit. How much effect does adjusting the brace height up and down effect the energy in the arrow?
I had an issue in the past when I was shooting recurve bows and slapping my face with a leather tab on, when I shot a compound bow, I didn't have that issue.
I'm a Ambidextrous but am right handed when it comes to archery. I had someone watch my draw stance and differences between using a compound and a recurve.
it turns out that I was collapsing my draw as I held the recurve bow in the drawn position. My draw arm was pulling inwards and to the left under the tension and this was creating a slightly misaligned left pointing position of my arrow that resulted in excess lateral tension that needed corrected so when I loosed the nock I would over correct this tension and end up slapping my face.
This was likely relating tension created in drawing the recurve which I did not have when drawing back a compound bow.
The fix was simple but also hard work. I had to draw back with a rearward pull with a relaxed draw up with my shoulders and back muscles rather than my arm, which was alright for 5 shots then my form would deteriorate again. I had to keep correcting myself with this and was real exercise for my back muscles on the draw.
I noticed on your slowmo of your release that the mechanics of your face slap appears to be over correction of your fingers as the string from your finger tip. This is probably related to a non-hook draw and release where your finger tips(although covered in leather) slide of the string and they automatically want to correct their position thus create lateral pressure on the string and when the resistance of the string is gone, they over correct resulting in a slap to the face. It could also be that when you are ready for a release, your fingers creep open in anticipation of release and create a collapsed hand draw position that results in the same effect as above. I assume that gloves give a better feel if this effect as each digit is free to feel the slide and probably is less likely to over-correct.
The 1 way you suggested where you place your tab back and therefore preventing a slap would suggest a deep hook method of drawing which is a better way of getting a good release due to the structure the muscles in your fingers. When you use a deep hook draw, when your brain tells your muscles to relax, it has to relax both sets of muscles for the proximal and distal interphalangeal joints, creating a more natural relaxed release and basically instantly moving your fingers out of the way of the string therefore avoiding this over-correction altogether.
Or just do what everyone else here seems to be suggesting in the comments and switch to a thumb release. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Anyway thank you for your videos, i really enjoy them and would like to try to make my own bows at some point to shoot other forms of archery, in particular practice shooting from the right side in right handed draw
What is brace height and how do you measure it?
I made myself a guard out of duck tape and yarn because I’m to cheap to buy one, it works pretty good
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I made mine out of a shoulder bone from a hog. Got after it with a dremal little bit of paracord. Boom works great and it looks cool.
I think you forget the main reason for the arm slap : bow arm position. Shoulder should go as far back and low as possible, and elbow oriented outwards and not downwards. Bow handle should rest along the line separating the thumb "cushion" from the rest of the palm, with palm and wrist as soft as possible, fingers loose. All of this helps pulling your arm away from the string line. Also, it's easy to train for this position standing against a wall or a pole, to focus only on this and train it into muscle memory.
Regarding g the tab, maybe try gripping the string a lot less deep, as close as possible from fingertip, hooking with only the pulp of the fingers. To release, just release tension from the fingers, they will slightly open and let the string fly a lot smoother than with a deep grip. You can also bring the hand in a smooth motion to the back of your head (as a reference) which also helps in smoother release. This is a lot easier said than done, especially with higher poundage bows, because it requires a lot of finger strength and can cram the string forearm pretty quick. So train on this with lower poundage bows :)
Hope this helps!
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I have some strings that to get brace i have 30 twists in them. When you are in the range do you fine tune for noise?
Thx now my arm can stop being purple. Because i just dealt with it
thanks. What bow are you shooting. what bow do you recommend for simple longbow/recurve?. wooe/type of wood etc. I shoot compound (with fingers) but curious about going very simple. thanks
Apparently, I am the only person that has never experienced this in 20 years of traditional archery.
Nope, I also haven't had this, I have very limited shooting experience though, but then again mostly with heavy draw weight long bows.
I have, it seems to have a lot to do with stance,when I stands I tend to be at about 45 degree angle causing my arm to come out more eliminating the problem. Who stand more parallel with the bow the chances of it being in the way of the string. That might be one cause.
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When I was a young boy, I had wrist slap all the time, when shooting my bow, but now as a avid adult trad shooter, I'm also like you, bow set up properly, "no slap".
I'm pretty much Brand New to Archery at about 3 months now. I'm an older guy 57. I wish I would have taken it up earlier. I appreciate all the Videos you do they Help me. I'm Shooting a Compound Bow. Don't know why but I am lol I don't use sights or a Release. I tried those things but keep going back to not using them because I find myself looking down the Arrow anyway. Should I be Shooting a Recurve ?
WARKONG , I have been shooting since 1957.. The bow you " feel" comfortable with is what you should shoot! That said, since you are new... Try several n see/ feel their differences to get a "grip" on the bow to shoot! Just a suggestion! Go to a hunt club n see if they have an array of bows n try them! You may well stay with your compound... The options are out there... Explore them for the sport n adventure of it all! Good luck! Me: I shoot trad! Have had many types of bows n I feel that they are like a box of tools... Each can do "a " job n several may do many jobs... Which " feels " best in your hand and enables one to do the best job at hand!??
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@@greywolfwalking6359 I have a Couple Bows now. I found a bow I was Comfortable with. I live in the Middle of the Mohave Desert in a Town of about a 150 People. A Town with an Archery Shop is a little over an Hour one way. I watch Videos and try to learn by Trial and Error. I appreciate all the Help
Excellent information. Also really like to see your enthusiasm. One thing I might mention though. Brace height should be comfortable but not too high because what you are doing is robbing the bow of some of its stored energy. It just makes sense to me that the farther the string travels the more energy it imparts to the arrow. Also, with self bows, too much brace height could lead to more string follow in the bow. Anyway, that's my take on it, for what its worth.
Thats not always the case. I thought that also, and depending on where the pound range is it usually doesn't matter that much as long as you are not hitting the stack wall. My 55 pound takedown recurve shoots 55 pounds at 28 inch draw on 7.5 brace height. It shoots 58 pounds at 28 inch draw with 8.25 brace height. Now theoretically I am pulling the bow string to the same area of my nock point on my cheek, but the arrow is clearing the string 3/4 of an inch sooner. I have shot both ends or the brace height range and measured the depth of the arrow in target, and the 8.25bh/58lb shot goes in about a half inch deeper at 20 yards. Now again this is a mind quibble. The difference in those few pounds is basically not noticeable at this level of bow power. It is actually more noticeable on a 25 or 30 pound bow, and they usually have a slighter larger Brace Height range like an inch and a half, to two inches.
Now I am sure that I am not per se schooling you, and I don't want to come off as a know it all or smart ass. I would only ad this for beginners who might be reading this.
If you buy a bow from a sporting good store, archery shop, and or from online. Make sure to read the instructions and manufactures recommendations. If you dont know what terms mean like Brace Height, AMO length, how bows are measured, arrow spine strength, draw length, and things like that, then please look them up, and or watch some You Tube video's
(like this channel) and there are some others that show beginning archery. Be patient and be safe. I personally know some people (full grown ass men mind you) that ran down to the store, threw down 500 to 1000 dollars for a new bow, and arrow/accessory set, and promptly went out and either got hurt, or damaged the hell out of their new 800 dollar compound. The last scenario was an 800 dollar Browning and the guy fired 500 spline strength arrows from an 85 pound bow which bent his cams inside of 15 minutes. Luckily it broke the bow and not him. As always I get a tad long winded. Shoot safe, have fun. Haratio.
@@TwistedSisterHaratiofales correct. But we are talking about traditional bows here, recurves, longbows. Most longbows and recurves are measured at a 28 inch draw length. Something you probably couldn't do with a self bow, but probably could do with a manufactured traditional bow is overdraw it to, say, at least a 30 inch draw length and a lot of people do. I would never advise someone to overdraw or not follow proper use of a compound. That's another critter and another way of shooting entirely from an instinctive traditional shooter. Unless it was extremely well tillered a 32 inch draw length would have the top limb cracking you in the head or giving the bow such an extreme backset that you wouldnt care to shoot it much afterwards. The way that I was taught, with the old longbow, was to hold it somewhat like you would a shotgun and 28 inches is a pretty long draw. I'm 6'1" and shoot about a 27 inch arrow. Though I haven't had the opportunity to hunt much in the past few years I used to do very well.
Also, a heavier bow provides better penetration with a shorter arrow. I dont shoot compounds. I can but I dont. I just don't like 'em. To me it just ain't archery. To me archery is 2 sticks and a string, a steady hand and a good eye. Primitive gun season should be a flint lock and a round ball. We keep trying to make things easier all the time and we keep.losing the reasons we made those special seasons in the first place. See, I can be long winded too.
@@larryreese6146 LOL, yea and to be clear I was talking about the compound thing with what someone else did. My bow is a Fleetwood Edge 62" takedown 55 pound recurve bow with forward leaver assist arms that make it a 75 pound draw at 28 inch BH. Now I am 5 foot 9 inch and my draw is 26 and a half if I have the BH set at 7.5, so I am drawing about 72 there. I set it up to 8 and its closer to the 75 pounds. I am at shooting 5 sets of 12 there now. Then I remove the Forward Leaver strings, and its a 55 again, and I shoot 15 to 20 sets of a dozen there.
And I agree Bare Bow and instinct is the only archery for me. Now my older Brother is Blind as a bat with coke bottle glasses, and has hip and shoulder problems, Not to mention Heart Problems. He shoots a 3 year old Browning compound that is 55 pound and at draw is about 20is, so it has about a 65% let off. He has shot my 75, but it is just maybe 3 or 4 shots and he is like,
( I am Good. ) I like giving compound and crossbow people a little gif about their chosen tools and hobby, but LOL we all know that Recurve, and Longbows are the real old school challenge, but shooting something is better than not shooting at all.
@@TwistedSisterHaratiofales agreed. It's a free country and any archery is a good sport. However, I will say that we have lost a lot in the sport with the compound and the crossbow. Just because something is easier doesn't make it better, and i think we lose a lot by making it easier and by running after the newest tackle that the manufacturers push out there. A lot of these new guys can tell you all about the newest technology in bow or rifle design but they cant tell you what kind of tree they just set their stand in.
nice video. try shoot on the right side of the bow with thumb release.
Contrary to popular belief,it is possible to shoot an arrow on the left side{for a right hand shooter} and vice versa,with a thumb release.I do it quite often and have seen Mongolian archers do it as well.The trick is,,To draw the arrow lower below the nock with an above the nock point,similar to string walking, or a double nock set can be used. For a below the nock set style , use your middle finger,to support the thumb and point the index..That way,the index doesn't push the shaft,away from the riser..
When I coached junior Olympics often the kids would have wrist slap because their stance was to closed. I would tell them they need to point their toes at the target.
Bully: why do you keep slapping yourself?
Kramer: maybe try moving your tab as far back as possible
damn, he got hit by that string just to get it on the film. It doesn't look that hurt, but damn that thing hurts more than a slipper that my mom smacked my head. It's that bad
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Do you sell your bows?
Symptom = solution
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The tab looks a bit small imo...
I can shoot 2 inch groups at 40 yards with a compound but with a recurve I can t shoot even a 6 inch group why
They’re completely different. Traditional archery is more about feel and “instinct” where compound has every technological benefit man can provide. The only solution is practice. Trad bows are far less forgiving. It might be hard to build muscle memory if you’re going back and forth between the two
try a thumb draw
Do you sell bows that you make or not ?
@@kramerammonsarchery ok well i would love to get my hands on one of your bows i like the look of them
I learned how not to by hurting my arm. Lol not kidding. It's been 15 years since i had arm slap
String slaps me between the thumb and index finger. Can’t find a reference to anyone else having this issue. Tried so many variations with the same problem. Please help 😭
I've had that happen before with higher poundage and a 4" brace height. I swapped out to lighter limbs but the whole setup was wrong for the riser.
I second the call for some time with a coach to address both issues. It looks like your shot sequence is very rushed.
I never slap my wrist, its always the back of my hand right behind the thumb. Kind of annoying, id prefer it if it were the wrist
if you are getting hit in the face with the string then you are doing something wrong
It's not the string he's talking about getting hit in the face with, it's the leather tab on his fingers. When the string releases the tab can "flip" and slap your face.
Kramer, when you released you are not completely relaxing your fingers so they are curling up following the release which I think is causing you to hurt your face. Trying coming off the string as you do straightening your fingers. I see you are continuing with your rearward following through, good. By the way, you are still a better shot than me!
Laughs in instinctive shooting :)
Looks like you intentionally slapped your wrist those few times. Lmao.
Your arm is so straight, I have to keep it so bent to not get hit :( this sacrifices my draw a little which sucks bc I'm already at 24.5 inch draw as it is.. I'm short
Two words archers tattoo. The reason I call it archers tattoo is because I got a bad of wrist slap I got a nasty bruise.
pain indicates you did it wrong. correct form. dont add gadgetry
brace height gets me thumb not me arm
Other comments here: never happened my father was a great teacher or my teacher must be very good
Me: hmm what he said was effective imma teach it to my dad who just started with me so he won’t bruise a lot anymore
Try it out whit a high end compound ! You will cry dude! Over 300fps
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because you like to imitate curly from the three stooges ?
Wrist slap or forearm slap? Yes wrist slap happens when brace height is low, like under 4", but bend your elbow or wrist to keep the string from wapping your forearm. Sorry, but bracing a self bow 8 1/2" is excessive and is good for causing string follow. I'm not commenting on why you're slapping your face.
Or Hatre ;)
Just use a horse bow with thumb draw technique. No arm slap there.
The problem is torquing the bow, it all has to do with keeping a loose grip on the bow versus gripping the grip tightly. Brace height has absolutely nothing to do with getting wrist slap, it is all about form
He clearly states that form is the main issue and if your form isn't the issue then brace height... This kinda rings true for self bows that usually have lower brace heights
Biz Khan I shoot a 2016 Pse Dream Season Decree with a 6 inch brace height and I’ve never had an issue with being hit in the forearm or wrist, a shorter brace height bow is not usually the type of equipment that most modern archers are going for. I prefer speed because it takes out a lot of possible errors in distance judgement
@@gearhead682010 that's fantastic, start a CZcams channel and educate us all... Or watch the video and listen to what he's saying 🤦♂️
Biz Khan I could actually start a channel for beginners seeings how I’ve been a target archer and bow hunter since I was a young man
@@gearhead682010 and what is stopping you? Share your wisdom
you need a coach...
Maybe you slapped yourself because you did something silly that you wanted to punish yourself for, lol
The string slapping your wrist is because your form sucks....you are holding the bow too tight and locking your elbow! Keep a bend in your arm and it will stay out of the way!
LOL, Sorry. A quick PS. When you were slapping your face, you needed a little kid out there with you to keep saying, ( Why are you hitting yourself ).
You we're slapping your face cause the ghost of a school bully was in the hand
1. Man up and ditch the tab
2. Roll out the bottom of your forearm, if it still hits the forearm raise the brace height till it does not
u need buy new shoes xD