10_Ron Jarzombek - 'Cretaceous Chasm' in 12-Tone Fragments
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- čas přidán 26. 11. 2011
- Ron Jarzombek from Blotted Science gives a crash course on the 12-tone system used to write the EP 'The Animation Of Entomology'.
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For more Ron Jarzombek videos go to www.ronjarzombek.com/rjvideos.... and / ronjarz - Hudba
It took me over two years to score the music for the EP that this song is from. You don't think that takes time, dedication and some heart? Just because I choose to use a rather involved system to write doesn't mean there is no passion. I just got tired of using normal, typical scales that I had been using for years, and needed something else. I found it using 12 tone patterns. BTW, it's very common for those who are baffled by something that they don't understand to criticize it.
12 tone Scales are awesome but what u did , its simply mind blowing, everyone that know your work, know how Deep music its inside you, i feel u totally cause everything its already made, everything have its pattern, and even music have its xtremmist when u dont do what where written to do 100 years ago they hunt you like a witch, u for sure one of the best guitarrist and composer i ever saw, for sure, i admire all your work from A to G# , you are out of this world man i have no words for describe your playing , just not of this Planet! Greetings from Argentina and wish u the best Ron!
@Mick Stone Many thanks!! And yep, that's how I work... Do what works best for me, stay true, and just go with it!... Otherwise I'd be a copycat or faking it. Thanks for listening... ;-)
Ron... U actually took time to reply to ass wholes who haven't done a thing in their entire spectre of their existence...
You, Abassi, Marty Friedman, a few others.... Who think outside the box.. and present us with such jewels.... We are in gratitude and mind numbness.... Blotted science not exactly easy to even try, forget replication..... Is a treasure of the highest level of musicianship....
I don't understand much of keys etc but this concept of tonality.... Gets me... And today... I just tried out one segment of the many.. and the bass has never sounded so bad ass till date.... I dropped a full step..
D G C F.... Once I get a hang of it on four string.. I will transpose it to my five strings.. thank u for giving me new concepts to learn and understand... And evolve.... It's heavy... It's the dissonant me....
Gratitude n respect sir
From us to you
Ra5
I think one may wonder what else would have been possible with that kind of unlimited level of talent…I guess guys like you just push the limits further for what would be called nirmal/mainstream…however I still admire the songs and actually sometimes even enjoy them ;)
Duuude. A man in your position should never feel the need to justify your musicality. Everyone has a different approach. Yours is ..inspiring. I mean to say, hearing your music and seeing how it was done has made me start composing again - with a fervor I thought was gone out of my life forever. One can make music any way they want, and to criticize another composer for their methods is just dumb. ..What are we supposed to all write the same way using the same scales, same progressions, same licks, same forms? That's top 40 territory and 99% of the time boring as fuck. The rest of the world wants variety and originality - something different.
And your guitar playing (although I'm a classical guitarist) has made me want to become even more rhythmically accurate and precise. I've been using your apps System 2412 and A.C.T. 1 with my souped-up Ibanez 7 string and am having fun like I haven't since the year I got it when I was 12 or 13 to play Korn lol.
I see all these shredders online, and although I looove the playing, I usually fall asleep at the note choices. Your approach takes quite mature ears to digest and once you get it, it's hard to go back to traditional everything-based-on-the-major-scale harmony. (Ironically, to use the apps, one needs to know all that stuff as well - it's NEXT LEVEL SHIT).
Inspiring, inspiring, inspiring!!!
I am dead serious when I say Ron Jarzombek is one of the most innovative guitarists in all of metal. And nobody has heard of him. Damn.
Rap gets millions if not billions of views. Geniuses like Jarzombek get thousands. The absolute state of our civilization, lol
dude is a straight up wizard
@@lotharschramm5000 my basedmeter cracked from your comment
Ron this shit is beyond nasty. The music conjures images and feelings that are borderline alien. Normal music makes me feel happy, sad, angry, excitement, lethargy. Your music makes me think and feel things completely differently. I think of microscopic bacteria and cells fighting in an unseen alien world hidden out of plain sight. I think of the asteroid belt and the chaotic yet predictable movement of the space rocks. I think of insects and the foreign way they live their lives. Your music is on such a strange and beautiful level. It really touches on fear, power, the unknown, and science...
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You are right about your guesses.
Ron, I just wanted to thank you for what you're doing. I mean it from the bottom of my heart. It's truly inspirational to see someone with such an unrelenting penchant for creative exploration following their deeper instincts; even if it means eschewing commercial success. These days, the works of countless musicians and artists are conditioned to such a degree by the trends of the mass media that they often end up reduced to petty commodities with the staying power of plastic cups or disposable razors. The sense of authenticity, devotion, and ingenuity apparent in your work is a ray of light in an otherwise dismal and cloudy sky. Keep on keeping on, my friend!
I hold a degree in music and I understand what is happening but not why or how. This is crazy.
Because
Basically serialism. The clock dictates the prime and helps to organize the order of chunks.
@@MeshuggahDave. yeah I get that, I did learn about it. I cannot explain it well or reproduce it at even a basic level.
@@RyanAlexanderBloom use the clock to dictate prime and also organise the chunks. Pretty much what he did here. In the video...
Serialism. Pick your prime and choose your intervals. Experiment with playing out and experience your own brand of retrograde inverse.
You and Fredrik Thordendal are the two most innovative guitarists in extreme metal in my opinion. I've been studying both of your works for years and I always find new secrets and discoveries. I finally have a guitar tuned like yours and this song is where I'm starting diving in to Blotted Science music. I remember watching this a long time ago, prior to going to school for music, thinking about how I didn't understand what was going on but it sounded fascinating. Now it all makes perfect sense. Thank you for the endless musical inspiration, Ron!
Huge fan of Bobby Jarzombek here. Just want to say Bobby and his bro Ron are absolute masters... John Petrucci can't touch this guy in terms of music theory and execution. Used to be a big DT fan but good lord the Jarzombeks are on another level entirely. Such a privilege to watch both of them! As far as Ron's stuff, I'm familiar with this song from the Blotted Science album but the whole circular pattern of notes still blows my mind!
Lol ...
What I like the most is that I still can hear fragments of "comfortable music" in this piece (a Cmaj7#4 here, a fragment of phrygian scale there), which contrasts with the full dodecaphonic parts. I like how we fly between comfortable and weird places in this song. Really inspiring composition, thanks for this!
Love how he plays 11/π as if it was a regular time signature.
Ron, I would like to personally thank you. I have been looking into getting lessons from a real instructor (all I know has been from tabs/messing around). Seeing this video has been a blessing. I could never figure out how to flow from one riff to another riff when writing. It wasn't until I saw how you play the notes backwards, forward, or just out of order (and on different locations) that it dawned on me how to merge from one riff to a completely different one. Thank you!
Been learning from "the best" guitar players for some years...Now hearing Ron's work make me wonder, what the hell I've been listening all this time?...Also, reading about the "robotic" thing, just sit and enjoy Ron's masterpieces. This is astonishing and far beyond.
You are one of the most intelligent musicians I've ever discovered. Both in your approach to music and your passion for it. Thanks for the tunes.
Can't get enough of this riff... Riffs....
I love 12 tome composition. I must say I really love this CD. You use the 12 tone system well, Ron.
What a strange and interesting technique. WAY over my head.
just discovered blotted science...where have you been all my life this is gold! i am always a big fan of music made with some thought put into it...im still a beginner but this insight helps a lot in how to make music better, lot of respect to you sir!
was 3:49 coincidental or was it meant to sound like Jurassic Park to make for the title "cretaceous"?
Ron, I came across 12 tone serialism through your music. I've been a musician for about 12 years and I've been searching all those years for a unique sound and Blotted Science opened my ears to new horizons with trio bands. Thanks to you I now know the importance of Shoenberg, Berg, Bartok, and Ruggle's music. Write more 12 tone music! Absolutely gives me chills! Thank you for the inspiration!
Gosh bro, you were just ahead of these guys. You still are, here lol I’m about to show this to a friend in hopes that the theory will spread. I love your analysis here.
There is definitely a huge difference between those that play what they feel and those that perform what they understand.
Better yet, those that have the wisdom to employ what they know and understand.
OMG!! this tears up 90% of the bands out there Ron is sick good!!!
Seriously Ron....speechless.
Thanks a lot for putting this up!
That was amazing. I like how you got other great musicians involved as well.
Am 53 years noob...
Countless CZcams tutorials on modes, tonalities, progressions, etc .. but your this all tonality/keys be damned theory has liberated me..... I know my bass fretboard better than before.. music is a personal expression....
I play metal... Ok.... I fantasise about playing metal to my imaginary CZcams audience with these concepts..... Your concepts... Fragments... Arrangements..... Opens up the third eye.... Thank you so much... 🙏
Ra5
This song is what got me into blotted science, its just fckng amazing, great job and thank you for your explaining, it really inspired me, greetings from mexico
I come back to this video each time I explain to someone that twelve tone music doesn't necessarily have to sound jarring.
Beautifully creative and inspiring video Ron. Added to favourites with appreciation and best wishes.
dude Ron Jarzombek you are the most under rated guitarist ever you are honestly top 10 guitarist of all times you are a master of your craft and you never cease to amaze me on how original you sounds and you still keep it fucken metal hope to hear a new album from you mechanization of dementia was fucken brutal now this its like every time it only gets better
I took lesson from Ron all thru high school!! One of the nicest cats around!!!
@billiamreynolds There are plenty more rules..
for example:
Normal triad chords are not allowed.
Scaleish movements are not allowed, which means you are not play D-C#-D or D-E-F#.
Usually you would take 12, not 6 tones (as it is twelve tone technique). Dividing theese into smaller parts and rotate theese is allowed, as long as the row is finished before a new one starts.
must say im gonna take this on board and love it's complex yet simpleness
This was an amazing video, thanks for sharing, Ron! :)
Always mindblowing!
I almost choked on my milk when I noticed this new video, Ron is a genius!
He also looks like he doesn't get much sleep...
Still awesome in 2024
Love the track! I've done a few things using this same 12-tone system myself. I can't imagine trying to use it when writing to visuals (especially with all the mickey-mousing)
i appreciate a lot of different prog guitarist and love their styles and so on but Ron is my all time favourite guitar hero no other like him out there that ive heard keep it up Ron stay true to what you're doing METAL ROAR !!!
Awesome approach to guitar!
Absolutely P R O P E R ! Cool stuff. I want to explore this realm
good to see you again Ron :)
Solitarily Speaking Of Theoretical Confinement, this album of yours is a masterpiece that will have anyone shocked for about 46 min!!
this has really opened up my playing abilities...
Ron, your work and contribution to the genre of thrash metal(actually, you created the genre of technical thrash metal) will be re-assessed and appreciated. You're to the genre of technical thrash metal what Nikola Tesla was to Electrical Engineering.
It's only envy for your incredible work.
kids would trip if this were on guitar hero or rocksmith!! :-P
You're a beast, Ron.
I can't get through one of your videos before realizing my face was melted off half way into it!!
In ADDITION to the music theory aspects of this song, I believe it is composed to match up to a scene from Peter Jackson's 'King Kong' (2005), the scene with the gigantic bugs (i.e. Animation of ENTOMOLOGY)
brooooooo
Dude...the critics nornally have never written or even played ....that being said...WELL DONE!!!
That was SICK!
That's really interesting!
...a mio avviso il miglior chitarrista di sempre...
No passion,you must be joking.I only wish i knew a tenth of what he knows.Ron keep up the great work and thanks alot for the videos.I may not be able to play the songs but it's great to hear how you put it all together.
You do realise you belong on a different planet... And we aren't worthy 🙏.
Legends like you who think Outta the box... Meshuggah, Tony Abbasi, Marty Freidman..... You guys are wired so differently....
You inspire us to break the rules and do something different n dissonant.. something to call our own
Even in my expeditions through music I have never found something so complex in theory.
This is actually too far over my head.
+Lucas Jenkins Check out total serialism. It's basically 12 tone rows for more than just pitch, like rhythm and dynamics.
Taylor B yes integral serialism pierre boulez and you may also find interesting aleatory music John cage. but if you want to go even further to a more real approach to mathematics then you should go fo stochastic music from Iannis Xenakis which introduces statistic mathematics into the creation of mathematical structures. at this point stochastic music is the most complex music in the entire planet because it requires not only high levels of music knowledge but also a college knowledge of mathematics
I love this.
Just bought the album. It sounds to me on first listening like Decapitated crossed with John Zorn's Naked City. I like it.
Masters and their different ways of writing music....wish I could understand their minds...
That damn tone!!!! Man its so good......And his technique, dudes good, real good lol
The shape he makes all is guitars in reminds me of those ESP Axxion models with Ibanez headstocks.
need the dvd!
Amazing.
Hey Ron,
I was wondering if you could put up some videos of your Gordian Knot material!!?? Like Code/Anticode, Rivers Dancing & Grace. I love those song and would like to see how you play them.
Because it isn't Emin nor Edim ... it is a 12 tones system. For exemple he always plays the "D" at the same fret meaning it is this "D" and none other. This is the beauty of this system. I could say my 12 tones will be A-B-C-D-E-F-G-A-B-C-D-E but it will be the lowest A followed by B two octaves up then C above then D one octave below etc ...
@flibo You have to admit though. this has much more emotion than Oscillation Cycles, which also used the 12 tone system.
this idea seems fairly easy, just take 6 notes and call it a "tone" (or how ever many notes you want) arrange them accordingly to how you want to group them, then add your rhythm and vary the time signature depending on the note groupings. *the beauty of this is how all of that is done*
soooooooo awesome
Reminds me of the second school of vienna.
The Second Viennese School sounded like the art of time and place they came from: music that sounded like psychological dementia or expressing emotional, moody tragedy. They were paralleled with the German Expressionist School in the fine arts. Schoenberg actually also painted in that style. This album is more playful (this particular song sounds the most 'dark' to me though).
Que agradable sujeto ❤
i wish i understood this, or even where to begin with understanding this concept, tips plzzz
@bonuzround Wow that's amazing! love your videos man!!! You are the only guitarist I've seen cover cereal mouse. That song is so technically complex! I look forward to your future covers and originals! I've always wondered whats the best way to record guitar? And I was wondering how you do yours (perhaps do a gear guide as your next video :D). Ha you're awesome man and inspire me to make guitar videos as well (I sound like such a fan boy cause I am!) I wish you good luck and also METAL ON \M/
Ron is a fucking genius at guitar and is absolutely amazing. He should have been on the G3 tour.
Maybe I got it wrong, but as far as i got it, while using the 12-tone system you're supposed to use bunch of tone rows, created from an original row, and never repeat a note until a certain row has been played through... What this guy is doing is great, but it still sounds way too coherent for being created using a strict 12-tone system...
I think is because there is a tonal center from 1 to 4 and from 5 to 8 ( F and Bb)(A and D) respectively.
You are correct, he is using the 12-tone system non traditionally. For music (atleast in my opinion) thinking in terms of "you're supposed to" is limiting your creative thinking. He used the 12-tone system as a tool to create that very odd, gloomy atmosphere to perfectly match the moviescene he wrote the song for. Which I personally think is an awesome piece of music. Again though, this is just him explaining a bit of song structure, and by no means an example of traditional 12-tone composition.
it's music you don't HAVE to conform to anything so he can adjust a system he can change it or bend the rules.
What you're saying there is technically correct, but like all rules in music theory there are ways of bending or breaking them that sounds good. Jarzombek is bending the rules of the 12 tone system by not abiding to the you must not repeat any notes until the tone row is finished rule and by creating smaller sub-groupings of notes that give the illusion of the music having a tonal centre.
The 12 tone system actually lends itself really well to metal because if you use the most "evil" sounding intervals it creates music that tonally sounds like metal but is a lot more chaotic in the note choices.
Ron's system has nothing to do with Schoenberg and he himself said about this. Schoenberg was member of serialist movement, in his use of 12-tone system you purposefully deprived from choosing or changing any notes after you created the row because of the reason that human mind unconsciously tends to create tonal centers - which Schoenberg tried to avoid to create true atonality. Ron's system is targeted more at using all notes and intervals to have more options and enrich sound
This is absolute genius.
It's called enharmonic equivalent. It has to do with the scale you're currently in, the intervals you need dictate what the note is called.
the majenta part was the sweetest
My question is how do you arrive at the original sequence/12-tone key? For me, that is the hardest part. Any tips?
the point is taking all 12 tones and
Robert Minton make a random circle...then consider the groupings...after that im assuming how much you know about theory comes into play...each grouping has a multitude of ways to look at them...YOU are then responsible for making music with the groupings...id have to say that is the ultimate riff generator system as far as rolling the tonal dice....
Very cool Robert Minton.
@KykvPL Its in one of his other videos I think. Dont remember which one
Fuck! What a fresh new sound to my ear
How do you decide what notes go where on the clock? Is it random? Do you have chord structure in mind? Thanks.
My head hurts.
This is very cool. Thanks for producing and sharing. PS Write a song about bees with me.
Where does the order of notes in the wheel come from?
Is there a reason why the D# changes sometimes to Eb ?
Well said!
this is so complicated, but I like alot
Yes, it's the same note, but the name changes so I was wondering why that happened.
Very interesting
Ron don't pay attention to the haters, they arn't worth it. Please continue to deliver such an excellent guitar work, and say hi to Bobby, you two are fantastic & innovative musicians. Watchtower family for the win \m/
@menteencoma Only in the sense that it's a 12 tone system, otherwise it has very little in common with Schoenberg's methods.
Way better than those cheesy holiday light decorations synced up to not-very-good music. Mind = pleased.
Nice!!!
normally, 12tone technique involves that you are not allowed to use any tone of your fixed 12 tone sequence before you didnt use each tone, so by repeting a certain phrase, he isnt using the 12 tone technique strictly speaking. However, it might be required to have some repitition in metal I agree
Ok so I think I'm understanding the principal. So now how do you create using this system without sounding like Ron J? I guess that will be my next task. I love the concept.
I think this is the baddest tune in all of metal
Why do the B, F#, and B notes light up weird?
Yeah, sickest legato in the metal world for sure.
well, this is what I wanted to make my whole life, but ron beat me too it!!
Sick!
Freakin INTENSE MAN!
impressive.