there is nothing wrong with offering an opinion or providing facts as long as its done in a respectful, informative, constructive and even-handed manner
@@DraxisTheDragon but without it numerous misconceptions can't be cleared up..for instance..the ending..many bring it up as an important element in this performance...but thats the way Tuomas arranged it..and in many other songs, Tarja ended each with an ear shattering vibrato...
@csrgatorfan I was with you until you stated ''from opera to growling''... Yeah, no. Flor can sing in a classic way, not opera. Same as Tarja - she never sang opera, she sang operatic. There is a huge difference. ''Tarja was ALL opera, ALL the time. It's like she didn't have the ability to switch it up. '' No, she wasn't all opera, since she didn't sing opera. Ability to switch it up? Switch, what up? That was the style the band was going for. It's like critcising Mariah Carey for not growling in her songs. The original version was made to suite the Tarja's voice, the new version is modified to suit Flor's voice better. Those two are two different arrangements. Tarja's and Flor's style differes - that's why the songs sound different. And ''like she's singing it as a lullaby''... I always thought that was the point. Yes, Flor is the current front woman of NW... before her it was Anette, and before Anette there was Tarja, the OG. ''She wanted out and she got her wish.'' - that's debatable, they way they ended was a mess. ''wanted a different change in her life'' - Yet, she still does the same/similar type od music (+ a lot more classical stuff using her operatic voice to it's potential). ''But it's been 15 years. GET OVER IT!!'' - it seems that you still didn't get over it... just saying. Tl; dr: 2 different singers, 2 different arrangements, 2 different styles, 2 different periods... both singers respects each other to the fullest and have collaborated together, the band and Tarja moved on but are still in contact. That's all.
Phantom of the opera! Swanheart! There is no conversation needed. Floor did the hype, Tarja did the singing. You never can mess with an educated operatic singer. The are so many female singers that sound like Floor, but Tarja is unique.
@@monicacarolina6480 She has a light voice and would be drowned out (and was) by the likes of Tarja and Tatiana. I suggest y'all Floor fans need to keep it real. She's a good singer but this Iron-Maiden-Valkyrie-Queen shit? lmfao
Hahaha... Only a deaf can refuse Floor's version. Tarja always has flat voice. The same thing in every song. Even those years she had a good voice. Now she hasn't anything ( really sory for that but that's the truth, she destroy her songs when she song live) At the only song Tarja is better from Floor is in "The Phantom of the Opera" and I'm talking about the years she was in Nightwish, of course not now!
@@monicacarolina6480 the timbre is light. We aren't talking about textures. She is what many professionals have called contemporary style while Tarja is definitely classical. Tarja's timbre is much richer, deeper, heavier, fuller and would easily project more. Floor is still an amazing singer who can do lots with her voice. But her timbre is lighter, floats more, but with that, it requires more to project. Her range seems to be higher as well. I've heard her music outside of night wish as well. Timbre differences doesn't mean one is worse or better. Some people have preferences and so of course we have two sides in this. And some out of spite. Both are great singers. I may personally prefer tarja's timbre, I still recognize and enjoy floor's performances too.
Tuomas always wrote for Nightwish curently singer and (I belive) he take the best ability of his bandmember. Now he has very versality people in band and he used them. I'm not a fan of this version but I apreciated Tarja way to sing. Fun fact. Yannis Papadopoulos from Beast in black perform his version of this song. 🙂
@@pin-upmariposa412 I LOVE Yannis! Beast in Black is amazing! When youtube popped up the recommendation of a male singer doing a cover of Ghost Love, I thought there was no way it could be as epic... then I watched it... lol!
Glad you did this. Just for the record, Floor and Tarja are good friends, and have no time for the stupid flame wars among certain Nightwish fans over who is better.
For the best (imo) performance of Tarja and Marco together, Phantom of the Opera is MANDATORY! THAT is an epic performance by the two of them! And for Annete, go for a studio version as mentioned already!
Iván Flores Vázquez I think it was pretty disappointing actually. Not that Tarja isn’t a great singer, she sang some amazing songs, but this performance can not even hold a candle to Floors’ performance.
This is the only song where Floor really outshines Tarja. Others are pretty much tie in my opinion, some are better with Tarja, some are better with Floor...and usually that varies with my mood from day to day.
Oo Pee There are some songs I really like by Tarja. Although, if I had to choose, I would probably always choose Floor. And I don’t like Tarja live in general.
Tarja performing Phantom of the Opera with Nightwish is really the best display of her vocals IMO. You also get to see Marko go nuts in that show as well. You might get goosebumps from that. :) I still prefer Floor overall, but I respect Tarja a great deal.
UP UP UP You HAVE to react to their Phantom. It's funny, but after hearing Floor's and Henk's Phantom, I checked Henk's phantom from 1993 (to see the differencies with the original) and man, Nightwish's arrangement is spectacular, it destroyed to original version, for sure.
thats just one snapshot in time, of her vast abilities and flavors...here are salient examples of others.. czcams.com/video/ESlyjQl90p0/video.html ... czcams.com/video/q-VemLTvnE8/video.html
Hey man, yes the background vocals were there for wacken too. It says "my fall will be for you, my love will be in you, if you be the one to cut me, I'll bleed forever" ...and yes, floor's version is why everyone went crazy bc with this song being as epic as it is, she took it further with her own twist at the end. The floorgasm lol ... from this concert end of an era, please react to SLAYING THE DREAMER or THE PHANTOM OF THE OPERA
I think the background vocals seems not to be there on wacken concert is because there were at least 50.000 more people so the background got faded away. And, in my opinion, nightwish get better with Floor (I wouldn’t imagine myself saying this). Tarja is Tarja, Floor is Floor and Floor > Tarja
@@augustomelo5857 yes, 50,000 more but open air vs. arena. plus when dvd mixed, volume can be controlled to whatever level. i think background vocals were suppressed more to accentuate Floor's vocals vs. Tarja vocals. i think background vocals volume level consciously chosen different at each concert by band/mgmt. still, agree Floor>Tarja when it comes to this GLS song live performances.
On the first part yes, in the ending chorus the background is " My fall will be for you, my fall will be for you, my love will be in you, YOU WERE the one to cut me, SO I`ll bleed forever
I don't bother weighing up who's best. It doesn't matter, it's the fact they fitted with Nightwish and helped them progress as a band. All three have their own unique sound and that's important. I like all three.
Tarja was Nightwish in the beginning and i was quite upset when she was fired from the band. Never liked Anette, even though she's Swedish like me. At first i was proud to see a Swedish singer in my favourite band, but it quickly faded. Floor.. oh wow. She made everything better. Floor + Nightwish is a match made in heaven, that simple.
@@FluffyLaDooDoo Not really, Floor is much more versatile, and one thing that always bugged me about Tarja is that she quite often sang out of key. Small, almost unnoticable mistakes, but they're there. Floor is just better, and more versatile. Tarja was good, but not as good as Floor. Simple.
@@BudhagRizzo thats the third excuse Tuomas used to justify her firing...1st being: she no longer acted like a part of the NW family ( because she wanted to spend more time with her husband which meant Tuomas could go ahead and try to smear her good name with a nasty publicly published letter) .. 2nd being ...Tuomas felt Tarja was leaving NW anyway ( as none of her concerns from vocal style and health to safety and privacy were addressed, she was considering first, at least trying a solo album (as they all were considering) , while remaining in NW (she turned down numerous offers from other bands and producers)...and Finally the 3rd..her husband/manager Marcelo, whom she married in 2003 and who helped her so much after her mother's passing that year...Tuomas accused Marcelo of turning her against the band when all he did was put her concerns in stark , concrete terms...Tuomas bulked, cut her out of all decision making (while keeping the boys, in the loop), waiting until the end of this last concert of the tour, and (publishing a defamatory letter) stating that no further negotiations were feasible separated her
🙂 Enjoyed your reaction. It was 2004 when I first heard this song and I fell in love with Tarja's vocals on it. I had already been a Nightwish fan for 7 years and was very familiar with the range & beauty of her vocals. I was impressed with this performance and sad that she was fired from the band, right after. But when I watched Floor perform this song, in 2013, she took me to an all new level of appreciation. Floor can easily project the roller coaster of emotions, of this song, while Tarja could only deliver an operatic performance with no emphasis on emotion. This song now belongs to Floor. Nightwish and Floor have taken each other to bigger success and have brought in more fans than they ever had with Tarja or Annette. And that's a very good thing.🤘💜🤘
For Tarja with Nightwish, I recommend "Sleeping Sun" ... Also "Walking in the Air" ... both definitely fit her voice and she nails them. I like the studio versions better with Tarja, but that's just me. Once Floor came on, their live performances far exceeded the studio versions.
Yeah, i also wrote that in an earlier review. Those are for me the most iconic Tarja songs. I think Floor still has never sung "Walking in the Air" and it took very long until she did "Sleeping Sun".
Tarja´s "Walking in the Air" is so beautiful. Magical, really. I already listened to it four times today. I believe Anette sang it as well. But I never heard it.
Well, their live performances are also post produced, so who knows what they do to those. The big difference is the mixing console recording, you can get very good live performace recording with that, much better than camera doing the recording.
I think this is a bad song to start out with for several reasons. , Tarja had the flue during this gig. 2, Anette and Floor had reinvented this song quite a lot over the years, and yes, it was actually Anette who first started to change the ending of Ghost Love Score, not Floor, but sadly most current fans don't recognize that and pretty much want to fast forward in the history and forget the Anette era and the two incredible albums she was part of. I would personally choose Slaying the Dreamer or Phantom of the Opera from this gig. With that said, Tarja has a very successful solo career and her voice has continued to develop, and she is actually way more versatile than she ever was in Nightwish. I recommend that you check out: Supremacy - Live At Hellfest 2016 czcams.com/video/wmMBI_0X3oE/video.html or Love to Hate - Live at Metropolis London czcams.com/video/jxqodwLVdcU/video.html
Well Ronny, there's flu and there's flu. Sometimes you can speak, sometimes you can sing, sometimes you have days you don't sound like yourself at all, or can't sing. It's not that all flus or moments of your flu are similar. Yeah in the morning rehearsal Tarja told in an interview, she couldn't sing at all. So obviously it got better towards the evening. Still Tarja lost her voice in the second half of GLS and none of her songs in that concert are the best of hers. Maybe Phantom and Opera was saved, because it's sung so operatic fashion. In her open letter after the concert Tarja said she was so happy when she could pull the concert to the end despite of her flu. So obviously it was still an issue for her thoughout the concert.
I am a big fan of Floor, but once i heard Tarja for the first time, I WAS BLOWN MORE AWAY BY TARJA!!! WOW!!!😮!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Her voice is SO ENCHANTING!!!!!👍👍👍👍👍
Tarja is world class, no doubt. Her tone is darker than Floors, for sure. Both of them sound fantastic. For me, no one can match Floors ability to vocally construct a song to convey whatever she wants. The ability to bring us to tears, or amp us for battle at her will and whim, is what sets her apart from just about anyone out there:) it's superhuman. If you're wanting some recommendations, Tarja's version of Nemo is awesome
What world class? A singer with a one-octave range who was only on stage because Tuomas wanted her to be. She left the group and became almost useless. That's the whole class. Tuomas told her how to do it, and she did it. Gone and turned from a vocalist to a croaking crow.
__THANATOS_ (this is coming from a hardcore Floor fan btw). First... one octave range? Her range is similar to Floor’s. I think Tarja can go a tiny bit higher and Floor a tiny bit lower, but she has a FANTASTIC range. Also, Tuomas didn’t “tell her how to do it”, I think you probably know the quality of HIS vocals😂. The stuff she does nowadays is not Nightwish standard I’ll give you that, but her band just isn’t Nightwish. Not trying to start an argument, just saying they’re both amazing
@@__thanatos_8631 and here we go..the ignorant haters are coming out..SUCH PURE IGNORANCE AND HATE IS PATHETIC BUT AL TOO COMMON IN SOME NEW NW FANS...you better worry about Floor being relegated to a backup singer by your God Tuomas
@@__thanatos_8631 Tarja is a vocal beast and took NW to the top of the world for 9 years...when she was let go a near civil war broke out in Finland followed by massive amounts of hate mail at Tuomas driving him to almost dissolving the band...hatred is a poor substitute for factual data
@@katrinarickard2286 actually, her style today is very different, and precisely as she designed it, drawing from some of the best musicians in Europe and the Americas...
Tarja, (Tar - Ya) is tremendously talented. but, the all opera all the time is a bit much for me. For those who love Tarja, please continue to love her. Floor will always be 1st for me.
Villainous ChrisK I think it depends on the song. For this ten minute long marathon I’m inclined to agree. There are some other songs on Once that I’ll still prefer Tarja over Floor on
love Floor too but Tarja was purely classical only for the first 3 albums and then compelled by Tuomas to go up the register (a move she was not happy to make)
The Siren from that concert is amazing and not reacted that much 🤔 this made me feel very nostalgic since I basically grew up with this band 🧡 can't wait for the new album!
I'm a new fan in the last year so I was introduced to the band with Floor. She is now my favorite female singer. But I love Nightwish so much I have listened to as much of their back catalog as I can find and I've really grown to love Tarja and what she brought to the band. Walking in the Air with Tarja is incredible. I can't imagine any singer, even Floor, comparing. Having said all that, GLS is Floor's vocal masterpiece.
i love them both for their respective strengths...her are links to some superb rare footage... czcams.com/video/6Acl6I8km3w/video.html ... czcams.com/video/nkvGvJFq-04/video.html
Tarja and nightwish created a whole new world of music. She is a beautiful singer in her own right and was perfect for nightwish at the time. As they evolved to a more modern level the same songs have grown and evolved over the years and floor has reinvigorate the music to a whole new level
Amo esa banda, tuve la oportunidad de verla en vivo en el 2015. Te recomiendo la reacción a la canción The phantom of the Opera , con Tarja Turunen. Es de las mejores versiones de esa canción
The best version ever, I love Tarja's voice. In Nightwish Tarja was very limited vocally, only on her first solo album could she use her whole voice range. If you want listen her full possibilities, please react "Supremacy" live from Woodstock 2016.
Please react to "underneath", the studio version. This is one of the most beautiful Tarja Turunen's songs. It's from her solo career. I never saw anyone reacting to this. It is really a beautiful song, with a beautiful message. It's poetry. And we need poetry to warm our hearts in this quarantine.
Tarja, Anette and Floor all had their own styles. Tarja's was opera-esque with orchestra and just full on paving the way for symphonic metal as a genre. Having her go really was the end of an era, but their final live concert together was and still is amazing, especially the beginning of Ever Dream. That part still gets me to this day. Anette leaned more towards folk (imo) and while she didn't have Tarja's range you just can't go wrong with Amaranth, Escapist or Turn Loose the Mermaids. It's a shame they had to let her go after they finally found the style of music that fit Anette perfectly with Imaginaerum, I would have loved to see what they would have and could have made with her. And Floor can take (almost) any song that was written for Tarja or Anette and make it her own, coupled with her amazing stage presence. Her vocal range and talent are astounding, you can feel the energy in the songs and even more so in concerts. While I'm sad about both Tarja *and* Anette leaving, Floor really is the best Nightwish could have asked for. She fits in perfectly with the band and their dynamic, and I love her just as much as I love Tarja and Anette. I just love Nightwish so much.
I'm not looking to start a range war, but everyone has their own opinion of who is the "best" singer of Nightwish, they are all good singers and did a fabulous job at the time of their involvement with the band. I never heard of the band until 5 or 6 months ago, so, of course, my 1st exposure to the band was with Floor as the singer. Fell in love with the versatility of her voice and her stage presence. Of course, after reading many comments, I had to go back in time and listen to Tarja and Anette (sp?). Tarja has an amazing voice, beautiful and clean, but seems (at least from what I've heard) pretty much one style. Anette, great studio singer, powerful, but a little "poppy"; not so great in concert. Floor, well, and this is MY opinion, seems to be what Nightwish should have now.
We talked a lot about versatility, but it's not really that important to be a versatile singer anyway. Floor fans seem to be making it a rule, and it's kind of unfair when you think about it. Especially if someone is only a contemporary singer, most of these people making comments about "Versatility" wouldn't be going on and on and on about versatility then. It is because classical isn't there a cup of tea, they are looking for "versatility".
I agree. I was never a fan of Tarja, sorry to say but I can say that because I have been following Nightwish since 1997. You can easily hear how she has to force her notes and transitions and for someone who listens and plays music for a living it's very noticeable. I do have much respect for all of the members and vocalists just saying I can't go back to the old school songs after hearing what has happened since Floor joined. Even the band themselves have come so far with their sound.
I fell in love with Nightwish while Tarja was part of the band and I really loved her but honestly, after Floor... this just doesn't do it for me, it lacks everything Floor adds and that's a LOT! I'm so happy my fav band has find the perfect singer (also my fav) and I hope she stays forever! I never liked Anette but Scaretale is "her" song and I can actually enjoy that so go for it of you wanna hear her! czcams.com/video/5EmpS8E7d30/video.html
The orchestral and choral tracks were recorded by the London Philharmonic Orchestra and Metro Voices Choir for the album version and continue to be played in the live versions.
You're right about the background vocals in the chorus. Nightwish totally changed the mix of this song with Floor. In the Tarja version during the chorus the choir is actually the foreground vocals while Tarja sings the background vocals; they switched this with Floor, you can barely hear the choir during the chorus. And overall they made it more heavy to fit Floor's style. This song is where the term "Floorgasm" was invented, because Floor actually invented that last part of the final chorus that is not present in the original song as you heard from Tarja! BUT if you want to hear some (old) songs that in my opinion sound better in Tarja's version, check out: Slaying the Dreamer (End of an Era live), the Kinslayer (End of an Era Live), Dead Boy's Poem (From Wishes to Eternity Live), Deep Silent Complete (From wishes to eternity live), FantasMic (From Wishes to Eternity live) oh btw, in nordic languages "j" is read as an "i", so her name would be pronounced as Taria ;) P.S. you're so cute!
well im little bit disapointed because the old fans knows already that this not the best performance of TARJA from this live but it was the FANTOME OF THE OPERA he's best performance in this dvd with MARCO
@@perfectone5848 yes you are right tuomas arrange everything , im just talking about the choice of the song from the whole live , this song from this live obviously is not the best illustration of the voice of my love tarja
@@einstfr it may not have the aggressive delivery used by Floor but it is just one of the flavors of Tarja's soul caressing voice and the way Tuomas arranged it...i suppose if one wanted to see an aggressive performance from Tarja, there are plenty great examples online...the one thing i can say about Tarja is that she is always challenging and innovating herself
This version is quite loyal to the original album version and also includes the original fading end. Tarja hurries to change her dress again. Actually the style is for an original love song here as perfection. The moment when the glitter comes...is the peak of all music performances there is.
ALL the old NW songs were written for Tarja. They are fit for her Voice. People say that Tuomas had a crush on her. You can see the difference between the songs on Tarja era and Anette and Floor eras. This version os my favorite, but Floor nailed it! Please, react to "The Phantom Of The Opera", with Tarja, from this same concert (End Of An Era). Great video!
I love both. For two different reasons. Love Tarja for the introduction to nightwish Love Floor for taking nightwish to the next level. I even love Annette an what she brought to nightwish.
Floor can sing from ethereal, classical and operatic singing, to powerful belting, and aggressive, raspy vocals like screaming and death growls. She is a soprano. Floor started studying music at the Dutch Rock Academy in 1999, entering the Conservatorium Tilburg three years later. She studied musical theatre and a year of opera. Later, she started teaching . Tarja is a lovely singer just different. I personally prefer Floor 😊
The differences in singers shortly: Tarja is the one with beautiful classical style singing with being able to keep her personal tone of voice because of her work in Nightwish, Anette was the best of the three in storytelling, she truly was the storyteller Tuomas always wished for and Floor is the one who can technically jump around most of these three. All of them have their strengths and weaknesses and above all, all three have qualities that make them unique as singers. Many like to suggest End Of an Era for Tarja reactions because it was the latest release with her but personally I think that alone is a bit poor comparison because she was fired that night and you can see the tension and that they had not talked in months from the performance. If you want to see the band having the same enthusiasim with Tarja and Anette as they do with Floor I'd suggest From Wishes to Eternity with Tarja and live with Anette from 2011. :)
To put it into simple words, Tarja emphasizes the melody, Anette the lyrics and Floor the feelings. There are those who say that Floor is the best out of the three, but her expressive singing style definitely has its limits.... Which is actually a good thing. She could easily sing Deep Silent Complete just as Tarja did, she could easily sing a Storytime or Last Ride of the Day that is just as amazing as Anette's version, but she chooses to stick to her own style and add a lot of texture, accentuation and expression to the song. While it won't flow as well as it would with Anette, and definitely not as well as it would with Tarja (who in turn is hard to understand at times,) it also feels more alive. So on its most basic level, it's a simple tradeoff. Tarja meshes better with the symphonic style and Anette meshes better with the groovy style the band perfected with Imaginaerum. Meanwhile Floor goes like "let's add a bit of contrast to this bit here," and I love every bit of it.
when Tarja was fired, a near civil war erupted in Finland, with the Prime Minister's intervention being required to keep things from escalating, followed by a super storm of hate mail directed at Tuomas, driving him into a deep depression...thats just one of her myriad of rich, deep, resonating flavors of vocal perfection...she brought everyone to tears, made them jump with joy and even put them in a trance for 23 years...
Tarja didn't write the song, Tuomas did, but it was originaly written for her voice, but she just doesn't have the power Floor has, was also always behind the music in my eyes, her English pronounce wasn;t that great, and her voice was always in the same style unlike Floor's, Floor made this song HER's she also invented that great end. If you hear Anette's version of this song, sorry to say but she butchered it, and yea opera, wait till you hear the new albums song Shoemaker it will blow your mind, but we just have to wait till there is a live version of that. Anyway great reaction, but i hope you stay with Floor's songs :) I will probably get a lot of hate for this reaction, but its my opinion
Floor's finish to this song is one of the best things in the history of music. Its like the first caveman who hit a hollow tree stump with a stick and realised it made a pleasant sound, was merely the first musical step of what would eventually pinnacle in GLS and the Floorgasm at the end. Watching/listening to a version without that ending is actually one of the most frustrating things a human can experience in the modern world. (note that I've made no comparison between the ability of the singers)
Floor's finish was great indeed, but it was written in by Tuomas and removed in Tarja's version..had he left it in, it would have been as epic as Tarjas's ending in "Planet Hell", "Wishmaster," "pharaoh sail to Orion" etc...
The background vocals you asked for: "My fall will be for you My love will be in you You were the one to cut me, So I'll bleed forever". Please react to Slayin' The dreamer and Phantom of the opera from End of an Era concert. Thanks.
@@oo.llpee.7457 The lyrics from the background, at the end, are diferent than the ones at the begining of the song. The song start with the ipothethical "if you be the one" and it ends with the "you were the one" as a already completed action.
I respect what Floor did with the song and love her with Nightwish now, but this song will always hit me harder when Tarja sings it. Tarja with Nightwish is what drew me in, it was so different. If Floor had been their original singer, I don't think I would have gotten as obsessed with Nightwish I became/am.
Tarja is pronounced like "Tari'a". and nowadays she has her own band performing under her name - Tarja Turunen. and, by the way, welcome to simphometal fans family!
I prefeer Floor... More metal style, more agressive, crowd control, when she growls OMG! No doubt... I'm a Nightwish fan from Tarja era, but Nightwish with Floor Jansen is on another level, specialy in their live performances!
It's good you checked out Tarja early. Considering how time flies, she was in her early 20s I believe when she was still in Nightwish? Still, her Phantom of the Opera performance, Walking in the Air, Elven Path, Pharaoh Sails to Orion, or from her solo career,: her cover of Supremacy by Muse. She has a more operatic approach. But there's plenty of room to love them both.
Yes, it is the better version. But that's just because the song was made for her voice. The arrangements are made for her voice. It doesn't mean Floor is bad, she kind of made the song hers in many aspects. The fact that she managed to put her own touch in a song like that, made for a different voice... shows how talented she is. I doubt Tarja would sound better in the songs that came after her, because those were not made for her voice.
Tarja (ta rrr ee ahh) is using the pre recorded backing vocals from The London philharmonic/London Symphony used on the Album ONCE (2004). The lyrics are I believe " My heart will be for you. My love will be with you " they switch between those phrases. An angel is sining and in her solo career she has even done an opera piece Mein Herr Marqis by Straus. Tarja has had training at a german music school. even went back for more training. The concert the last night with her as a member of the band. October 21, 2005. Hartwell arena attendace 11,500. Helsinki Finland. Last night of the Once upon a tour. celebrating the 5th album ONCE and a successful homecoming. Annette hired on after a year long search. Up unti she went into labour and had to leave the tour and the band. Floor was hired on a temp basis with 48 hours to learn the setlist. She formally joined the band in 2011. With her good friend Tarja's blessing. They are friends to this day so ignore the drama from fans. Floor had led two different bands before NW so she was already experienced. While Tarja is from the same small town of Kitee that Thomas is. Her mother taught him piano. Without Tarja and her powerful voice even as a teenager NW would have been a folk rock band not symphonic metal. No need to feel bad for Tarja, she has gone on to a brilliant single career with 8 almbums, 6 concerts. 2 full concert dvds. near 20 some videos 2 eps and 50 singles. An autobiograhy Singing in my blood. While her husband then and now has been her manger and they have an 8 yo daughter Naomi. her career has christmas albums light and dark, symphonic metal, ballads, radio friendly hits and current project started in 2014. Outlanders where she teams up with superstar musicians for stripped down sound exploring the music. Visualizers what she calls the videos are up on youtube under her ownlabel. Yep she is a producer as well. She has no sub par songs. I highly recomend diving into her solo work. She has only grown in her craft since those early days.
What Floor Jansen did with her typical endpose and high notes in Wacken 2013 was an audacious challenge to champions in music history: Freddie Mercury and Tarja. And she nailed it. The apprentice overtook the wishmaster.
I am an old school fan. I was at their performance for Once Tour in 2004. I have some special fellings for Tarja (vocals, style) (and it is spoken "Taria" or "Tarya" like the "J" in finland has an i sound). I think it is all about the time they perform that says the style fits or not. Floor nowadays style are more acceptable. But Once song got all over rankings of MTV all over the world at the time (2004). Its was thrilling see that kind o rock from a band from Finland was amazing. Anette was amazing too. Love Dark Passion Play and Imaginaerum. Yet, if i can recomend, try to listen Tarja solo albuns (I Walk alone is a good one) too. The cover song of Poison from Alice in Chains is really good too. Love the react and sincerity :-) hugs from Brazil ;)
I was allways missing something in Tarja's voice, or there was something too much in other parts .... just my feeling from long way before I even knew who Floor was 🤷♀️
I really like Floors version, but i love this one bc Tarjas voice don't eclipse the music and voices on background. This is a complete master piece and u can fell all parts when Tarja sing. (Sorry about, i'm not an English speaker)
Anette is more pop/rock, and you can find some great stuff sung by her. Both Dark Passion Play and Imaginaerum are great albums. I prefer her quieter songs like "Slow Love Slow" and "Meadows of Heaven", but she does a pretty decent job on all her studio stuff. She just had the problem of trying to sing Tarja's opera stuff live, which wasn't really fair for her. Then Floor came along and sang all of her stuff better, because she's Floor!
The background chorus, sings "My fall will be for you , my love will be in you, if you be the one to cut me, i'll bleed forever'' and in the end "My fall will be for you , my love will be in you, you were the one to cut me, so i'll bleed forever"
Just fyi for the album ONCE 2004 of which this was the last date (October 21,2005) Helsinki, Finland, the tour was called Once Upon A Tour. Support for the album and the DVD was always planned for 2006 release. After Tarja's departure the DVD and concert became the End of an Era,and so tilted. Now as I was saying, the band hited London Symphony Orchestra or parts thereof to provide accompaniment on the album and every album since. In addition the choir was London's Metro Choir's Voices. Yes Tarja sings like a featured singer would do with a choir. Not drown them out nor be drowned out but blend with them,but staying in the forefront sonically of course. Nor does she outshine her bandmates by hogging the limelight. She cheers on and hypes the audience. She plays to and with the audience as a front woman in the front of the band but knows to step back and let the boys have their time to feature. As part of an ensemble. It shows professionalism. NO I am not going to compare or contrast that to anyone else. Its enough to say she was very very good at her job. She loved what she did and has said at this point she was finally satisfied that her voice was what she wanted it to be as part of Nightwish. The album has her sounding as she felt was correct. Then. 9 years and many tours and countless gigs,from clubs,tv, to arenas,festivals and stadiums, to hone their craft. No one even in darkest days ever said that anyone in the band was not capable or failed to perform in a manner not befitting their record as a group. This lineup with Marki went back to 2001. 4/5 years together they knew their craft. It shows here how good they were. Now that we should all agree on without controversy or disagreements. The 1st 9 years were good years without which years 10 onwards could not have ever happened. We have lots of recordings. We have the albums. The 1st era is saved. Who likes what best is not the point. Only that thank goodness it was. The band were trailblazers. Pioneers in female fronted metal and in the genre of symphonic metal. A few contemporaries and they created the genre. Created the thing out of whole cloth. For posterity's sake thank you for that. Now future fans can find it and enjoy it like those who were there at the time.
I never recalled this to be a great hit of Nighwish back in the day. Tarja songs are songs like Kinslayer, Wishmaster (fish-master) End of all hope, Nemo and the cover of Phantom of the opera, and Over the hills and far away.
Great reaction! I agree with you, we cannot compare them. There are both very good in their own style.Saying that Tarja is better or Floor is better is just a matter of taste. Although, Floor is much older and experienced than Tarja was back then.
It's so sad that some people think to love Floor you have to hate Tarja and to love Tarja you have to hate Floor. They are actually friends and respect each other, and totally DIFFERENT singers with something special and unique about each of them. We are lucky that Tarja went solo and now we have two great bands to listen to. Hope you do reaction to Tarja solo stuff, because it's very different musically and her singing changed in a very interesting way, in my opinion, she sings even better now. Hope you get a chance to watch Tarja live someday because it's totally different in many ways. Great review, thanks!
A lot of people's favorite Nightwish singer is the one they first heard. In addition to Tarja, Annette, and Floor, Nightwish has had many other singers for one reason or the other over the years and all were good for one reason or another (including Tuomas!) so going down the rabbit hole of which is "best" is pointless. However the first song I heard from them was their cover of Pink Floyd's High Hopes from the End of an Era DVD, which makes me "Team Marco" :-)
I started with NW in 2002 and was hooked. When Once came out I didn’t love this song with Tarja and first really fell in love with it after Floor came into the band. Some of my favorite Tarja songs are Deep Silent Complete and Slaying the Dreamer. While Floor rocks these songs, I prefer the Tarja versions.
I completely agree with you when it comes to comparing the singers. As for the background choir, as has already been mentioned by others they are present in the Wacken concert as well, but considerably more in the background (IMO, perhaps a little bit too much). You can even see part of the crowd singing along with the choir 😀 The intermezzo is the same as well. Thanks for the reaction - as always, it was fun to watch!
My favorite songs by each singer. Tarja , Phantom of the Opera, my favorite cover of this song. Annette, Bye Bye Beautiful. Floor, Ghost Love Score live at Wacken 2013. But Floor has become my all time favorite singer and Nightwish is the band I would most like to see live. Nightwish is now my favorite band and this is coming from a fan whose favorite band was Led Zeppelin that I saw live in 1970.
in those early days the production and singing style designed by Tuomas were meant to accentuate Tarja's head voice for angelic effects..her original vocals involved a very deep, mezzo flowing, reverberating splendor as in the :from "Wishes tom eternity concert" from 2001, the lowlands concert from 2005, summer breez concert from 2002 , and the great Raumanmeri one from 2003......further,Tuomas wrote in a climactic ending for Floor's version....
Not my favorite Tarja performance, good to pick a song you know though. That entire show was fantastic, GLS was actually the low point arguably. 'The Siren' 'Creek Mary's Blood' (99.9% chance to never be played again) 'Tekee Kuolema Taiteilijan' (when I think of Tarja, it's this) All from that show, each not done by Floor (yet), each feature different scopes of Tarja's vibrato
Pretty sure you can push the chance of Creek Mary's Blood to never be played again to 100%, after the whole mess it became when everyone learned how the band got player by the con-artist Two-Hawks.
@@matthewkolb1694 The only chance it would ever resurface is if they rewrote the lyrics in real Lakota this time. Which I hardly see ever happening, and it wouldn't really be the same song anyway.
"I'm definitely not going to start that conversation" is possibly the wisest thing I've ever heard.
there is nothing wrong with offering an opinion or providing facts as long as its done in a respectful, informative, constructive and even-handed manner
@@perfectone5848 But it NEVER ends that way :D
Definitely 😂👌
@@DraxisTheDragon but without it numerous misconceptions can't be cleared up..for instance..the ending..many bring it up as an important element in this performance...but thats the way Tuomas arranged it..and in many other songs, Tarja ended each with an ear shattering vibrato...
@csrgatorfan
I was with you until you stated ''from opera to growling''... Yeah, no. Flor can sing in a classic way, not opera. Same as Tarja - she never sang opera, she sang operatic. There is a huge difference.
''Tarja was ALL opera, ALL the time. It's like she didn't have the ability to switch it up. '' No, she wasn't all opera, since she didn't sing opera. Ability to switch it up? Switch, what up? That was the style the band was going for. It's like critcising Mariah Carey for not growling in her songs.
The original version was made to suite the Tarja's voice, the new version is modified to suit Flor's voice better. Those two are two different arrangements. Tarja's and Flor's style differes - that's why the songs sound different. And ''like she's singing it as a lullaby''... I always thought that was the point.
Yes, Flor is the current front woman of NW... before her it was Anette, and before Anette there was Tarja, the OG.
''She wanted out and she got her wish.'' - that's debatable, they way they ended was a mess.
''wanted a different change in her life'' - Yet, she still does the same/similar type od music (+ a lot more classical stuff using her operatic voice to it's potential).
''But it's been 15 years. GET OVER IT!!'' - it seems that you still didn't get over it... just saying.
Tl; dr: 2 different singers, 2 different arrangements, 2 different styles, 2 different periods... both singers respects each other to the fullest and have collaborated together, the band and Tarja moved on but are still in contact. That's all.
I find "Walking in the Air" and "Nemo" from Tarja are , for me, the best.
Sleeping sun too! 🥺😍 beautiful song
From tarja
and "Wishmaster" too :)
csrgatorfan i agree
Aswell as The Siren and Ever More. They especially were made for her voice.
To get a TARJAGASAM, you NEED to hear Tarja do the 'PHANTOM OF THE OPERA' song, from the concert END OF AN ERA'! You'll be blown away!!!!☺👍
Yes React to phantom of the opera
Agreed! Also, The Siren.... Gorgeous!
Well last note she does is autotuned so ... useless to hear.. better hear the Floor version made last year from Beste Zangers ..
Yes, this is my crowed, thought I was the only old Nightwish fan left. Love all 3 singers but yes, finally Tarja. Good choice.
@@quentinmas8636 She's done that note more than once live mate. She's done it higher too
Phantom of the opera! Swanheart! There is no conversation needed. Floor did the hype, Tarja did the singing. You never can mess with an educated operatic singer. The are so many female singers that sound like Floor, but Tarja is unique.
Exactly my thought. Floor is more pop oriented, doesn't have the depth of Tarja's voice.
Tarja la mejor de todos los tiempos👸🏻
Con ella nació Nightwish y su voz le dio el carácter y estilo a la banda.
This is so true mate.
Floor has a light, lilting, lyric, acrobatic voice. Tarja has a dark, heavy, majestic voice. It's a dark soprano. Tarja all the way for me.
Light? Hahahahahaha. She distorts and growls and has lungs of Iron. Please keep it real ;)
@@monicacarolina6480 She has a light voice and would be drowned out (and was) by the likes of Tarja and Tatiana. I suggest y'all Floor fans need to keep it real. She's a good singer but this Iron-Maiden-Valkyrie-Queen shit? lmfao
Thank you. Tarja all the way.
Hahaha... Only a deaf can refuse Floor's version. Tarja always has flat voice. The same thing in every song. Even those years she had a good voice. Now she hasn't anything ( really sory for that but that's the truth, she destroy her songs when she song live)
At the only song Tarja is better from Floor is in "The Phantom of the Opera" and I'm talking about the years she was in Nightwish, of course not now!
@@monicacarolina6480 the timbre is light. We aren't talking about textures. She is what many professionals have called contemporary style while Tarja is definitely classical. Tarja's timbre is much richer, deeper, heavier, fuller and would easily project more. Floor is still an amazing singer who can do lots with her voice. But her timbre is lighter, floats more, but with that, it requires more to project. Her range seems to be higher as well. I've heard her music outside of night wish as well. Timbre differences doesn't mean one is worse or better. Some people have preferences and so of course we have two sides in this. And some out of spite. Both are great singers. I may personally prefer tarja's timbre, I still recognize and enjoy floor's performances too.
Tarja Nightwish songs will always be Tarja songs to me. I've been around that long 😅
Toumas, (the keyboardist) wrote this song, as is true for the vast majority of Nightwish songs, from all the eras.
I know, when I said she wrote it, I meant that the song was written for her and her Style.🙄🤘
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Tuomas always wrote for Nightwish curently singer and (I belive) he take the best ability of his bandmember. Now he has very versality people in band and he used them. I'm not a fan of this version but I apreciated Tarja way to sing.
Fun fact. Yannis Papadopoulos from Beast in black perform his version of this song. 🙂
@@pin-upmariposa412 I LOVE Yannis! Beast in Black is amazing! When youtube popped up the recommendation of a male singer doing a cover of Ghost Love, I thought there was no way it could be as epic... then I watched it... lol!
Glad you did this. Just for the record, Floor and Tarja are good friends, and have no time for the stupid flame wars among certain Nightwish fans over who is better.
not only that, but would be very upset with those who demean either
Once you go Floor, you don't go back.
😂
I went floor and went straight back.... nice voice, but doesn’t do anything for me, don’t like her live at all.
love Floor too, but ignoring Tarja's rich history and establishing of solid foundation is silly and leads to erosion of quality....
Slaying the Dreamer from End of an Era is unreal
Why?
Aurinkohirvi it’s an opinion- people are entitled to opinions right?
@@kellyhagstrom44 Of course. I just wanted to know why is it.
Yeeeees
@@Aurinkohirvi Because it's an emotionally intense song and Tarja and Marco hit it out of the park.
For the best (imo) performance of Tarja and Marco together, Phantom of the Opera is MANDATORY! THAT is an epic performance by the two of them!
And for Annete, go for a studio version as mentioned already!
Ouhh yeah. Tarja ❤️ the best of Tarja and Marco now: The Phantom of the Opera! Belive me. Something like that you're never heard! 😍😁
I wouldn't say this is amongst the best Tarja performances, but it still is amazing.
Iván Flores Vázquez I think it was pretty disappointing actually. Not that Tarja isn’t a great singer, she sang some amazing songs, but this performance can not even hold a candle to Floors’ performance.
Well she has had better performances of this song, as well as better performances of other songs.
This is the only song where Floor really outshines Tarja. Others are pretty much tie in my opinion, some are better with Tarja, some are better with Floor...and usually that varies with my mood from day to day.
Rosannasfriend Yes, she has had much better performances, but they were not Floor performances.
Oo Pee There are some songs I really like by Tarja. Although, if I had to choose, I would probably always choose Floor. And I don’t like Tarja live in general.
Tarja performing Phantom of the Opera with Nightwish is really the best display of her vocals IMO. You also get to see Marko go nuts in that show as well. You might get goosebumps from that. :) I still prefer Floor overall, but I respect Tarja a great deal.
100% this is the best example of Nightwish with Tarja. Amazing cover of phantom of the opera
I agree, this song is a must if you want to hear Tarja.
Definitively.
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You HAVE to react to their Phantom.
It's funny, but after hearing Floor's and Henk's Phantom, I checked Henk's phantom from 1993 (to see the differencies with the original) and man, Nightwish's arrangement is spectacular, it destroyed to original version, for sure.
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Hey man, yes the background vocals were there for wacken too. It says "my fall will be for you, my love will be in you, if you be the one to cut me, I'll bleed forever" ...and yes, floor's version is why everyone went crazy bc with this song being as epic as it is, she took it further with her own twist at the end. The floorgasm lol ... from this concert end of an era, please react to SLAYING THE DREAMER or THE PHANTOM OF THE OPERA
thats not her end..Tuomas puts in all the details...thats precisely the problem..viewers need to be apprised of all these facts...
I think the background vocals seems not to be there on wacken concert is because there were at least 50.000 more people so the background got faded away. And, in my opinion, nightwish get better with Floor (I wouldn’t imagine myself saying this). Tarja is Tarja, Floor is Floor and Floor > Tarja
@@augustomelo5857 Not at all x) hahahahaha
@@augustomelo5857 yes, 50,000 more but open air vs. arena. plus when dvd mixed, volume can be controlled to whatever level. i think background vocals were suppressed more to accentuate Floor's vocals vs. Tarja vocals. i think background vocals volume level consciously chosen different at each concert by band/mgmt. still, agree Floor>Tarja when it comes to this GLS song live performances.
On the first part yes, in the ending chorus the background is " My fall will be for you, my fall will be for you, my love will be in you, YOU WERE the one to cut me, SO I`ll bleed forever
I don't bother weighing up who's best. It doesn't matter, it's the fact they fitted with Nightwish and helped them progress as a band. All three have their own unique sound and that's important. I like all three.
Tarja was Nightwish in the beginning and i was quite upset when she was fired from the band. Never liked Anette, even though she's Swedish like me. At first i was proud to see a Swedish singer in my favourite band, but it quickly faded. Floor.. oh wow. She made everything better. Floor + Nightwish is a match made in heaven, that simple.
Patrik Karlsson 🤩. Yes Tarja yet later become more powerful than ever. For she is the God of metal
Sounds like opera singer, becose she is opera singer... And she's name sounds like Taria.
I heard different stories why Tarja was fired. Seems it was kinda centered around her husband.
@@FluffyLaDooDoo Not really, Floor is much more versatile, and one thing that always bugged me about Tarja is that she quite often sang out of key. Small, almost unnoticable mistakes, but they're there. Floor is just better, and more versatile. Tarja was good, but not as good as Floor. Simple.
@@BudhagRizzo thats the third excuse Tuomas used to justify her firing...1st being: she no longer acted like a part of the NW family ( because she wanted to spend more time with her husband which meant Tuomas could go ahead and try to smear her good name with a nasty publicly published letter) .. 2nd being ...Tuomas felt Tarja was leaving NW anyway ( as none of her concerns from vocal style and health to safety and privacy were addressed, she was considering first, at least trying a solo album (as they all were considering) , while remaining in NW (she turned down numerous offers from other bands and producers)...and Finally the 3rd..her husband/manager Marcelo, whom she married in 2003 and who helped her so much after her mother's passing that year...Tuomas accused Marcelo of turning her against the band when all he did was put her concerns in stark , concrete terms...Tuomas bulked, cut her out of all decision making (while keeping the boys, in the loop), waiting until the end of this last concert of the tour, and (publishing a defamatory letter) stating that no further negotiations were feasible separated her
🙂 Enjoyed your reaction. It was 2004 when I first heard this song and I fell in love with Tarja's vocals on it. I had already been a Nightwish fan for 7 years and was very familiar with the range & beauty of her vocals. I was impressed with this performance and sad that she was fired from the band, right after. But when I watched Floor perform this song, in 2013, she took me to an all new level of appreciation. Floor can easily project the roller coaster of emotions, of this song, while Tarja could only deliver an operatic performance with no emphasis on emotion. This song now belongs to Floor. Nightwish and Floor have taken each other to bigger success and have brought in more fans than they ever had with Tarja or Annette. And that's a very good thing.🤘💜🤘
this.
Thanks for your message. I agree with you 100%
I agree for the full 100%
Tarja is best
For Tarja with Nightwish, I recommend "Sleeping Sun" ... Also "Walking in the Air" ... both definitely fit her voice and she nails them. I like the studio versions better with Tarja, but that's just me. Once Floor came on, their live performances far exceeded the studio versions.
Yeah, i also wrote that in an earlier review. Those are for me the most iconic Tarja songs. I think Floor still has never sung "Walking in the Air" and it took very long until she did "Sleeping Sun".
Tarja´s "Walking in the Air" is so beautiful. Magical, really. I already listened to it four times today. I believe Anette sang it as well. But I never heard it.
Brindle Chase Wishmaster is also very Tarja
Well, their live performances are also post produced, so who knows what they do to those. The big difference is the mixing console recording, you can get very good live performace recording with that, much better than camera doing the recording.
I think this is a bad song to start out with for several reasons. , Tarja had the flue during this gig. 2, Anette and Floor had reinvented this song quite a lot over the years, and yes, it was actually Anette who first started to change the ending of Ghost Love Score, not Floor, but sadly most current fans don't recognize that and pretty much want to fast forward in the history and forget the Anette era and the two incredible albums she was part of.
I would personally choose Slaying the Dreamer or Phantom of the Opera from this gig.
With that said, Tarja has a very successful solo career and her voice has continued to develop, and she is actually way more versatile than she ever was in Nightwish.
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lol, the flu ? check out Floor doing GLS at Buenos Aires where Floor had the flu
@@ronnyseffinga7950 Yes, you read that correct, in fact, she was so sick she was advised by a doctor to cancel, but she refused.
@@FemaleMetalLover you didnt get my point what i was trying to say...
Well Ronny, there's flu and there's flu. Sometimes you can speak, sometimes you can sing, sometimes you have days you don't sound like yourself at all, or can't sing. It's not that all flus or moments of your flu are similar.
Yeah in the morning rehearsal Tarja told in an interview, she couldn't sing at all. So obviously it got better towards the evening. Still Tarja lost her voice in the second half of GLS and none of her songs in that concert are the best of hers. Maybe Phantom and Opera was saved, because it's sung so operatic fashion. In her open letter after the concert Tarja said she was so happy when she could pull the concert to the end despite of her flu. So obviously it was still an issue for her thoughout the concert.
@@ronnyseffinga7950 why are you here? Troll. .
I am a big fan of Floor, but once i heard Tarja for the first time, I WAS BLOWN MORE AWAY BY TARJA!!! WOW!!!😮!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Her voice is SO ENCHANTING!!!!!👍👍👍👍👍
Tarja is world class, no doubt. Her tone is darker than Floors, for sure. Both of them sound fantastic. For me, no one can match Floors ability to vocally construct a song to convey whatever she wants. The ability to bring us to tears, or amp us for battle at her will and whim, is what sets her apart from just about anyone out there:) it's superhuman. If you're wanting some recommendations, Tarja's version of Nemo is awesome
What world class? A singer with a one-octave range who was only on stage because Tuomas wanted her to be. She left the group and became almost useless. That's the whole class.
Tuomas told her how to do it, and she did it. Gone and turned from a vocalist to a croaking crow.
__THANATOS_ (this is coming from a hardcore Floor fan btw). First... one octave range? Her range is similar to Floor’s. I think Tarja can go a tiny bit higher and Floor a tiny bit lower, but she has a FANTASTIC range. Also, Tuomas didn’t “tell her how to do it”, I think you probably know the quality of HIS vocals😂. The stuff she does nowadays is not Nightwish standard I’ll give you that, but her band just isn’t Nightwish. Not trying to start an argument, just saying they’re both amazing
@@__thanatos_8631 and here we go..the ignorant haters are coming out..SUCH PURE IGNORANCE AND HATE IS PATHETIC BUT AL TOO COMMON IN SOME NEW NW FANS...you better worry about Floor being relegated to a backup singer by your God Tuomas
@@__thanatos_8631 Tarja is a vocal beast and took NW to the top of the world for 9 years...when she was let go a near civil war broke out in Finland followed by massive amounts of hate mail at Tuomas driving him to almost dissolving the band...hatred is a poor substitute for factual data
@@katrinarickard2286 actually, her style today is very different, and precisely as she designed it, drawing from some of the best musicians in Europe and the Americas...
Tarja, (Tar - Ya) is tremendously talented. but, the all opera all the time is a bit much for me. For those who love Tarja, please continue to love her. Floor will always be 1st for me.
Agreed! My ears are a bit sensitive in the higher range. And all operatic gives me some ringing in the ears.
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Villainous ChrisK I think it depends on the song. For this ten minute long marathon I’m inclined to agree. There are some other songs on Once that I’ll still prefer Tarja over Floor on
love Floor too but Tarja was purely classical only for the first 3 albums and then compelled by Tuomas to go up the register (a move she was not happy to make)
The Siren from that concert is amazing and not reacted that much 🤔 this made me feel very nostalgic since I basically grew up with this band 🧡 can't wait for the new album!
I'm a new fan in the last year so I was introduced to the band with Floor. She is now my favorite female singer. But I love Nightwish so much I have listened to as much of their back catalog as I can find and I've really grown to love Tarja and what she brought to the band. Walking in the Air with Tarja is incredible. I can't imagine any singer, even Floor, comparing. Having said all that, GLS is Floor's vocal masterpiece.
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Tarja and nightwish created a whole new world of music.
She is a beautiful singer in her own right and was perfect for nightwish at the time.
As they evolved to a more modern level the same songs have grown and evolved over the years and floor has reinvigorate the music to a whole new level
Amo esa banda, tuve la oportunidad de verla en vivo en el 2015. Te recomiendo la reacción a la canción The phantom of the Opera , con Tarja Turunen. Es de las mejores versiones de esa canción
Gracias Sergio. Intentaré a grabar el video para el phantom la semana que viene.
The best version ever, I love Tarja's voice. In Nightwish Tarja was very limited vocally, only on her first solo album could she use her whole voice range. If you want listen her full possibilities, please react "Supremacy" live from Woodstock 2016.
Please react to "underneath", the studio version. This is one of the most beautiful Tarja Turunen's songs. It's from her solo career. I never saw anyone reacting to this. It is really a beautiful song, with a beautiful message. It's poetry. And we need poetry to warm our hearts in this quarantine.
For Tarja, definitely go for her Phantom of the Opera, Nemo, and Wish I Had An Angel
Tarja, Anette and Floor all had their own styles.
Tarja's was opera-esque with orchestra and just full on paving the way for symphonic metal as a genre. Having her go really was the end of an era, but their final live concert together was and still is amazing, especially the beginning of Ever Dream. That part still gets me to this day.
Anette leaned more towards folk (imo) and while she didn't have Tarja's range you just can't go wrong with Amaranth, Escapist or Turn Loose the Mermaids. It's a shame they had to let her go after they finally found the style of music that fit Anette perfectly with Imaginaerum, I would have loved to see what they would have and could have made with her.
And Floor can take (almost) any song that was written for Tarja or Anette and make it her own, coupled with her amazing stage presence. Her vocal range and talent are astounding, you can feel the energy in the songs and even more so in concerts. While I'm sad about both Tarja *and* Anette leaving, Floor really is the best Nightwish could have asked for. She fits in perfectly with the band and their dynamic, and I love her just as much as I love Tarja and Anette.
I just love Nightwish so much.
I'm not looking to start a range war, but everyone has their own opinion of who is the "best" singer of Nightwish, they are all good singers and did a fabulous job at the time of their involvement with the band. I never heard of the band until 5 or 6 months ago, so, of course, my 1st exposure to the band was with Floor as the singer. Fell in love with the versatility of her voice and her stage presence. Of course, after reading many comments, I had to go back in time and listen to Tarja and Anette (sp?). Tarja has an amazing voice, beautiful and clean, but seems (at least from what I've heard) pretty much one style. Anette, great studio singer, powerful, but a little "poppy"; not so great in concert. Floor, well, and this is MY opinion, seems to be what Nightwish should have now.
We talked a lot about versatility, but it's not really that important to be a versatile singer anyway. Floor fans seem to be making it a rule, and it's kind of unfair when you think about it. Especially if someone is only a contemporary singer, most of these people making comments about "Versatility" wouldn't be going on and on and on about versatility then. It is because classical isn't there a cup of tea, they are looking for "versatility".
@@Rosannasfriend * I was only talking about the 3 singers of Nightwish, not all singers.
I agree. I was never a fan of Tarja, sorry to say but I can say that because I have been following Nightwish since 1997. You can easily hear how she has to force her notes and transitions and for someone who listens and plays music for a living it's very noticeable. I do have much respect for all of the members and vocalists just saying I can't go back to the old school songs after hearing what has happened since Floor joined. Even the band themselves have come so far with their sound.
Floor wipes the floor (oh, pun so intended) with both Anette and Tarja. Not even a competition in my mind.
@@Rosannasfriend No
I fell in love with Nightwish while Tarja was part of the band and I really loved her but honestly, after Floor... this just doesn't do it for me, it lacks everything Floor adds and that's a LOT! I'm so happy my fav band has find the perfect singer (also my fav) and I hope she stays forever!
I never liked Anette but Scaretale is "her" song and I can actually enjoy that so go for it of you wanna hear her! czcams.com/video/5EmpS8E7d30/video.html
That video of scaretale with Anette is fire, love it!
“ that part is perfectly for her style “ that song was recorded by Tarja ...
Tarja's warbling, throaty voice with No Expression or vocal change of emotion. No thanks. FLOOR❤️🔥
That’s true she doesn’t change much at all , and doesn’t carry notes very long .
MY FRIEND , WITH TUOMAS, NOTHING IS IMPROVISED..HE DETERMINED WHO, WHAT, WHERE AND HOW THE PERFORMANCE GOES..HE IS THE MASTER OF THAT BAND
The orchestral and choral tracks were recorded by the London Philharmonic Orchestra and Metro Voices Choir for the album version and continue to be played in the live versions.
You're right about the background vocals in the chorus. Nightwish totally changed the mix of this song with Floor. In the Tarja version during the chorus the choir is actually the foreground vocals while Tarja sings the background vocals; they switched this with Floor, you can barely hear the choir during the chorus. And overall they made it more heavy to fit Floor's style.
This song is where the term "Floorgasm" was invented, because Floor actually invented that last part of the final chorus that is not present in the original song as you heard from Tarja!
BUT if you want to hear some (old) songs that in my opinion sound better in Tarja's version, check out:
Slaying the Dreamer (End of an Era live),
the Kinslayer (End of an Era Live),
Dead Boy's Poem (From Wishes to Eternity Live),
Deep Silent Complete (From wishes to eternity live),
FantasMic (From Wishes to Eternity live)
oh btw, in nordic languages "j" is read as an "i", so her name would be pronounced as Taria ;)
P.S. you're so cute!
well im little bit disapointed because the old fans knows already that this not the best performance of TARJA from this live but it was the FANTOME OF THE OPERA he's best performance in this dvd with MARCO
Tuomas arranged everything in Tarja era and in Floor's..any complaints should be directed at him
@@perfectone5848 yes you are right tuomas arrange everything , im just talking about the choice of the song from the whole live , this song from this live obviously is not the best illustration of the voice of my love tarja
@@einstfr it may not have the aggressive delivery used by Floor but it is just one of the flavors of Tarja's soul caressing voice and the way Tuomas arranged it...i suppose if one wanted to see an aggressive performance from Tarja, there are plenty great examples online...the one thing i can say about Tarja is that she is always challenging and innovating herself
This version is quite loyal to the original album version and also includes the original fading end. Tarja hurries to change her dress again. Actually the style is for an original love song here as perfection. The moment when the glitter comes...is the peak of all music performances there is.
ALL the old NW songs were written for Tarja. They are fit for her Voice. People say that Tuomas had a crush on her. You can see the difference between the songs on Tarja era and Anette and Floor eras. This version os my favorite, but Floor nailed it!
Please, react to "The Phantom Of The Opera", with Tarja, from this same concert (End Of An Era). Great video!
I love both.
For two different reasons.
Love Tarja for the introduction to nightwish
Love Floor for taking nightwish to the next level.
I even love Annette an what she brought to nightwish.
Hi Damon🤘I still need to work my way up to Annettes work. Take care 👌
Well said!
Thank you for giving Tarja a chance.
Floor can sing from ethereal, classical and operatic singing, to powerful belting, and aggressive, raspy vocals like screaming and death growls. She is a soprano. Floor started studying music at the Dutch Rock Academy in 1999, entering the Conservatorium Tilburg three years later. She studied musical theatre and a year of opera. Later, she started teaching . Tarja is a lovely singer just different. I personally prefer Floor 😊
The differences in singers shortly: Tarja is the one with beautiful classical style singing with being able to keep her personal tone of voice because of her work in Nightwish, Anette was the best of the three in storytelling, she truly was the storyteller Tuomas always wished for and Floor is the one who can technically jump around most of these three. All of them have their strengths and weaknesses and above all, all three have qualities that make them unique as singers.
Many like to suggest End Of an Era for Tarja reactions because it was the latest release with her but personally I think that alone is a bit poor comparison because she was fired that night and you can see the tension and that they had not talked in months from the performance. If you want to see the band having the same enthusiasim with Tarja and Anette as they do with Floor I'd suggest From Wishes to Eternity with Tarja and live with Anette from 2011. :)
To put it into simple words, Tarja emphasizes the melody, Anette the lyrics and Floor the feelings. There are those who say that Floor is the best out of the three, but her expressive singing style definitely has its limits.... Which is actually a good thing. She could easily sing Deep Silent Complete just as Tarja did, she could easily sing a Storytime or Last Ride of the Day that is just as amazing as Anette's version, but she chooses to stick to her own style and add a lot of texture, accentuation and expression to the song. While it won't flow as well as it would with Anette, and definitely not as well as it would with Tarja (who in turn is hard to understand at times,) it also feels more alive. So on its most basic level, it's a simple tradeoff. Tarja meshes better with the symphonic style and Anette meshes better with the groovy style the band perfected with Imaginaerum. Meanwhile Floor goes like "let's add a bit of contrast to this bit here," and I love every bit of it.
when Tarja was fired, a near civil war erupted in Finland,
with the Prime Minister's intervention being required to keep things from escalating, followed by a super storm of hate mail directed at Tuomas, driving him into a deep depression...thats just one of her myriad of rich, deep, resonating flavors of vocal perfection...she brought everyone to tears, made them jump with joy and even put them in a trance for 23 years...
sung by tarja this was just a song, but sung by floor has become an epic opera
Tarja didn't write the song, Tuomas did, but it was originaly written for her voice, but she just doesn't have the power Floor has, was also always behind the music in my eyes, her English pronounce wasn;t that great, and her voice was always in the same style unlike Floor's, Floor made this song HER's she also invented that great end. If you hear Anette's version of this song, sorry to say but she butchered it, and yea opera, wait till you hear the new albums song Shoemaker it will blow your mind, but we just have to wait till there is a live version of that. Anyway great reaction, but i hope you stay with Floor's songs :) I will probably get a lot of hate for this reaction, but its my opinion
Floor's finish to this song is one of the best things in the history of music. Its like the first caveman who hit a hollow tree stump with a stick and realised it made a pleasant sound, was merely the first musical step of what would eventually pinnacle in GLS and the Floorgasm at the end. Watching/listening to a version without that ending is actually one of the most frustrating things a human can experience in the modern world. (note that I've made no comparison between the ability of the singers)
Floor's finish was great indeed, but it was written in by Tuomas and removed in Tarja's version..had he left it in, it would have been as epic as Tarjas's ending in "Planet Hell", "Wishmaster," "pharaoh sail to Orion" etc...
Tarja is symphonic rock, floor is metal rock
The background vocals you asked for:
"My fall will be for you
My love will be in you
You were the one to cut me,
So I'll bleed forever".
Please react to Slayin' The dreamer and Phantom of the opera from End of an Era concert. Thanks.
At first it is:
"My fall will be for you
My love will be in you
If you be the one to cut me
I'll bleed forever"
@@oo.llpee.7457 The lyrics from the background, at the end, are diferent than the ones at the begining of the song. The song start with the ipothethical "if you be the one" and it ends with the "you were the one" as a already completed action.
@@oanapetruc9850 yes, that's why I added those, because it's nice subtle detail.
I respect what Floor did with the song and love her with Nightwish now, but this song will always hit me harder when Tarja sings it. Tarja with Nightwish is what drew me in, it was so different. If Floor had been their original singer, I don't think I would have gotten as obsessed with Nightwish I became/am.
Tarja is pronounced like "Tari'a". and nowadays she has her own band performing under her name - Tarja Turunen. and, by the way, welcome to simphometal fans family!
Esta es la versión original de Ghost Love Sore :)
I prefeer Floor... More metal style, more agressive, crowd control, when she growls OMG! No doubt... I'm a Nightwish fan from Tarja era, but Nightwish with Floor Jansen is on another level, specialy in their live performances!
Recomiendo también 'Slaying the Dreamer' de este mismo concierto, descomunal interpretación
she sings her own accompaniment and plays it back. tis tarja who is the classically trained singer. beautiful chest voice and a 3 octave soprano.
Tarjagasm is phantom of the opera live end of an era
The backing vocals are in the Wacken 2013 show too but are harder to hear with the mix. Both versions are great in their own way. The show goes on ❤️
You can hear them quite well in Tampere too.
it finally happened, lol the best part of the song ? glad you asked.....the last 1.15 ....stay safe....
Nothing against Tarja AT ALL, but floor might be the best, most versatile female singer on Earth. Nobody can touch her.
I recommend you Sleeping Sun Tarja's version
It's good you checked out Tarja early. Considering how time flies, she was in her early 20s I believe when she was still in Nightwish? Still, her Phantom of the Opera performance, Walking in the Air, Elven Path, Pharaoh Sails to Orion, or from her solo career,: her cover of Supremacy by Muse. She has a more operatic approach. But there's plenty of room to love them both.
The Siren from the same show is where the Targasm lies.
I love Tarja!!!
Yes, it is the better version. But that's just because the song was made for her voice. The arrangements are made for her voice. It doesn't mean Floor is bad, she kind of made the song hers in many aspects. The fact that she managed to put her own touch in a song like that, made for a different voice... shows how talented she is. I doubt Tarja would sound better in the songs that came after her, because those were not made for her voice.
Tarja (ta rrr ee ahh) is using the pre recorded backing vocals from The London philharmonic/London Symphony used on the Album ONCE (2004). The lyrics are I believe " My heart will be for you. My love will be with you " they switch between those phrases. An angel is sining and in her solo career she has even done an opera piece Mein Herr Marqis by Straus.
Tarja has had training at a german music school. even went back for more training.
The concert the last night with her as a member of the band. October 21, 2005. Hartwell arena attendace 11,500. Helsinki Finland. Last night of the Once upon a tour. celebrating the 5th album ONCE and a successful homecoming.
Annette hired on after a year long search. Up unti she went into labour and had to leave the tour and the band. Floor was hired on a temp basis with 48 hours to learn the setlist. She formally joined the band in 2011. With her good friend Tarja's blessing. They are friends to this day so ignore the drama from fans. Floor had led two different bands before NW so she was already experienced. While Tarja is from the same small town of Kitee that Thomas is. Her mother taught him piano. Without Tarja and her powerful voice even as a teenager NW would have been a folk rock band not symphonic metal.
No need to feel bad for Tarja, she has gone on to a brilliant single career with 8 almbums, 6 concerts. 2 full concert dvds. near 20 some videos 2 eps and 50 singles. An autobiograhy Singing in my blood. While her husband then and now has been her manger and they have an 8 yo daughter Naomi. her career has christmas albums light and dark, symphonic metal, ballads, radio friendly hits and current project started in 2014. Outlanders where she teams up with superstar musicians for stripped down sound exploring the music. Visualizers what she calls the videos are up on youtube under her ownlabel. Yep she is a producer as well. She has no sub par songs. I highly recomend diving into her solo work. She has only grown in her craft since those early days.
What Floor Jansen did with her typical endpose and high notes in Wacken 2013 was an audacious challenge to champions in music history: Freddie Mercury and Tarja. And she nailed it. The apprentice overtook the wishmaster.
I am an old school fan. I was at their performance for Once Tour in 2004. I have some special fellings for Tarja (vocals, style) (and it is spoken "Taria" or "Tarya" like the "J" in finland has an i sound). I think it is all about the time they perform that says the style fits or not. Floor nowadays style are more acceptable. But Once song got all over rankings of MTV all over the world at the time (2004). Its was thrilling see that kind o rock from a band from Finland was amazing.
Anette was amazing too. Love Dark Passion Play and Imaginaerum. Yet, if i can recomend, try to listen Tarja solo albuns (I Walk alone is a good one) too. The cover song of Poison from Alice in Chains is really good too.
Love the react and sincerity :-) hugs from Brazil ;)
Look for Phantom of the Opera, with Tarja. It`s just perfection! ;)
That was a time we thought Tarja is everything and GLS IS Tarja song. And then Floor appeared in NW.
You should react to The Siren of Nightwish from End of an Era
I was allways missing something in Tarja's voice, or there was something too much in other parts .... just my feeling from long way before I even knew who Floor was 🤷♀️
I totally get what you mean and I agree.
I feel the same way, but with Floor!
I really like Floors version, but i love this one bc Tarjas voice don't eclipse the music and voices on background. This is a complete master piece and u can fell all parts when Tarja sing.
(Sorry about, i'm not an English speaker)
For a better look at Tarjas style I recommend "Slaying the dreamer", " Wishmaster", and " Sleeping sun" from the end of an era DVD
Anette is more pop/rock, and you can find some great stuff sung by her. Both Dark Passion Play and Imaginaerum are great albums. I prefer her quieter songs like "Slow Love Slow" and "Meadows of Heaven", but she does a pretty decent job on all her studio stuff. She just had the problem of trying to sing Tarja's opera stuff live, which wasn't really fair for her. Then Floor came along and sang all of her stuff better, because she's Floor!
The background chorus, sings "My fall will be for you , my love will be in you, if you be the one to cut me, i'll bleed forever'' and in the end "My fall will be for you , my love will be in you, you were the one to cut me, so i'll bleed forever"
The best version is the Nightwish version! with any singer at any time ! however, Nithwish is timeless ! Thank you man for this amazing reaction 🖤🤘🤘
Just fyi for the album ONCE 2004 of which this was the last date (October 21,2005) Helsinki, Finland, the tour was called Once Upon A Tour. Support for the album and the DVD was always planned for 2006 release. After Tarja's departure the DVD and concert became the End of an Era,and so tilted. Now as I was saying, the band hited London Symphony Orchestra or parts thereof to provide accompaniment on the album and every album since. In addition the choir was London's Metro Choir's Voices.
Yes Tarja sings like a featured singer would do with a choir. Not drown them out nor be drowned out but blend with them,but staying in the forefront sonically of course. Nor does she outshine her bandmates by hogging the limelight. She cheers on and hypes the audience. She plays to and with the audience as a front woman in the front of the band but knows to step back and let the boys have their time to feature. As part of an ensemble. It shows professionalism. NO I am not going to compare or contrast that to anyone else. Its enough to say she was very very good at her job. She loved what she did and has said at this point she was finally satisfied that her voice was what she wanted it to be as part of Nightwish. The album has her sounding as she felt was correct. Then.
9 years and many tours and countless gigs,from clubs,tv, to arenas,festivals and stadiums, to hone their craft. No one even in darkest days ever said that anyone in the band was not capable or failed to perform in a manner not befitting their record as a group. This lineup with Marki went back to 2001. 4/5 years together they knew their craft. It shows here how good they were. Now that we should all agree on without controversy or disagreements. The 1st 9 years were good years without which years 10 onwards could not have ever happened. We have lots of recordings. We have the albums. The 1st era is saved. Who likes what best is not the point. Only that thank goodness it was. The band were trailblazers. Pioneers in female fronted metal and in the genre of symphonic metal. A few contemporaries and they created the genre. Created the thing out of whole cloth. For posterity's sake thank you for that. Now future fans can find it and enjoy it like those who were there at the time.
I'm nightwish fan sinse 2003, I Love all singer of Nightwish, but for me, Tarja all the way for me in this song. This song was written for her.
Yes yay! Someone doing Ghost Love Score with Tarja!! Phew thank goodness. By farmy favorite version. Floor is great but this was written for Tarja.
Hello! :)
Try Sleeping Sun or Slaying The Dreamer with Tarja from tha same concert (end of an era). I love that. Anyway good job.
Tarja FOREVER!!!!
I never recalled this to be a great hit of Nighwish back in the day. Tarja songs are songs like Kinslayer, Wishmaster (fish-master) End of all hope, Nemo and the cover of Phantom of the opera, and Over the hills and far away.
Great reaction! I agree with you, we cannot compare them. There are both very good in their own style.Saying that Tarja is better or Floor is better is just a matter of taste. Although, Floor is much older and experienced than Tarja was back then.
The backing vocal tracks are on the Wacken show, but just not as pronounced.
It's so sad that some people think to love Floor you have to hate Tarja and to love Tarja you have to hate Floor. They are actually friends and respect each other, and totally DIFFERENT singers with something special and unique about each of them. We are lucky that Tarja went solo and now we have two great bands to listen to. Hope you do reaction to Tarja solo stuff, because it's very different musically and her singing changed in a very interesting way, in my opinion, she sings even better now. Hope you get a chance to watch Tarja live someday because it's totally different in many ways. Great review, thanks!
A lot of people's favorite Nightwish singer is the one they first heard. In addition to Tarja, Annette, and Floor, Nightwish has had many other singers for one reason or the other over the years and all were good for one reason or another (including Tuomas!) so going down the rabbit hole of which is "best" is pointless. However the first song I heard from them was their cover of Pink Floyd's High Hopes from the End of an Era DVD, which makes me "Team Marco" :-)
I started with NW in 2002 and was hooked. When Once came out I didn’t love this song with Tarja and first really fell in love with it after Floor came into the band. Some of my favorite Tarja songs are Deep Silent Complete and Slaying the Dreamer. While Floor rocks these songs, I prefer the Tarja versions.
I completely agree with you when it comes to comparing the singers. As for the background choir, as has already been mentioned by others they are present in the Wacken concert as well, but considerably more in the background (IMO, perhaps a little bit too much). You can even see part of the crowd singing along with the choir 😀 The intermezzo is the same as well. Thanks for the reaction - as always, it was fun to watch!
Like it or not, neither Tarja or Anette can beat Floor's stage presence. She's not just versatile, she's overwhelmingly powerful AND sensual
As much as I like Tarjas operatic singing style.. she was a bit of a one trick pony back then. I think she is much better now.
My favorite songs by each singer. Tarja , Phantom of the Opera, my favorite cover of this song. Annette, Bye Bye Beautiful. Floor, Ghost Love Score live at Wacken 2013. But Floor has become my all time favorite singer and Nightwish is the band I would most like to see live. Nightwish is now my favorite band and this is coming from a fan whose favorite band was Led Zeppelin that I saw live in 1970.
Tarjaaaaa!! 💙
in those early days the production and singing style designed by Tuomas were meant to accentuate Tarja's head voice for angelic effects..her original vocals involved a very deep, mezzo flowing, reverberating splendor as in the :from "Wishes tom eternity concert" from 2001, the lowlands concert from 2005, summer breez concert from 2002 , and the great Raumanmeri one from 2003......further,Tuomas wrote in a climactic ending for Floor's version....
Not my favorite Tarja performance, good to pick a song you know though. That entire show was fantastic, GLS was actually the low point arguably.
'The Siren'
'Creek Mary's Blood' (99.9% chance to never be played again)
'Tekee Kuolema Taiteilijan' (when I think of Tarja, it's this)
All from that show, each not done by Floor (yet), each feature different scopes of Tarja's vibrato
Pretty sure you can push the chance of Creek Mary's Blood to never be played again to 100%, after the whole mess it became when everyone learned how the band got player by the con-artist Two-Hawks.
@@daedalron yeah... it's just such a beautiful piece though. A real shame the song died as a result of the mess.
@@matthewkolb1694 The only chance it would ever resurface is if they rewrote the lyrics in real Lakota this time. Which I hardly see ever happening, and it wouldn't really be the same song anyway.
it's amazing how floor fans make an effort to publicize her as a good singer, with the stripe she just needs to sing and the magic happens 😂😂😂
Floor version definitely better for me it’s got more grit floor is a Viking goddess
Slaying the dreamer