Pan Am 747-200 Departure From LAX (Slow Climb Rate)
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- Clipper Water Witch performing a long takeoff roll and slow climb.
Shot by my friend Craig Pilkington (Aviation Media ©).
Edited / uploaded by me with the kind permission of Aviation Media ©
Don't be fooled by the slow looking takeoff roll (telephoto camera angle). Those 747s glued you to the back of your seat all the way down the runway and well into takeoff. Total respect and admiration!
Appears slower as a high takeoff speed is required to rotate.
Well, I remember sitting in a 747 from Johannesburg, it was very hot and the plane was sure at the limit. When the throttle was put in full the accelaration felt like non existant. There was no being pushed in the seat like in smaller planes. The plane took ages to lift his nose, and even with the lifted nose it took a while for the bird to lift of the ground. Once airborne the end of the runway passed only meters below us. In the first 20 minutes of the flight the 747 hardly gained altitude. It took us more then 45 minutes to reach cruising level. I will never forget that it was really scary.
At heavy weights the 747 and DC10 Step Climbed. They had to burn off weight to climb to altitude. Back in the day there were no fixed slots first to push back was next in line. It was 10min to departure of the JFK Flight. I was clearing the log the Captain told me to hurry it up. "I want to push back before United". "If I get off first I can hold him on the first step and beat him to JFK". The L1011 had the surplus power to climb direct to cruse altitude.
I miss them😢😢
Fully loaded takeoff speed of 160 knots(184 mph)
“Every country has an airline. The world has Pan Am”.
I mean overall it is PAN AMERICAN WORLD airways
Oh, wow. "Queen of the skies." I was a flight attendant on the TWA 747-100s back in 1970. They were flights from JFK to western Europe. It was a wonderful and very interesting time to be flying. RIP Pan Am, TWA and EAL.
Please tell me that the reality was anywhere close to smoking hot as the fiction portrays those days...............
TWA had excellent service as did PanAm.
I flew Pan Am many times during my youth between LAX and London Heathrow from 1975 to 1984. Each flight, I knew that I was being treated by the VERY BEST! The flight crew would take turns visiting the passengers mid-flight and they were regularly on the intercom giving us information on the landmarks below us - Iceland, Greenland, Hudson Bay, Grand Canyon, etc. I have flown dozens of times since on numerous other carriers and they feel cold and crude by comparison. For those who have flown Pan Am, you know what I'm talking about. For those who never have, I can assure you that they brought America to the world like no other!
I completely agree, and can relate. Miss those times.
Well yeah, but we did too.
@@Twobarpsi So do we.
@@TWA-km9wt Teeduba and PanAm were wonderful. Better than any current US carriers today by far.
Nothing will ever beat the sound of those JT9Ds spooling up...such a monstrous growl.
Rolls Royce is a close second....
I miss Pan Am, American pride, worldwide.
Ahhh, the growl of those JT9D's at takeoff power.....
I went to work at LAX in the Spring of 1971 (JAL) and for many years you would not have seen a B747 taking off from the southern runways (25L and 25R) because of the Sepuveda Blvd. tunnel which ran underneath both runways. It was not structurally able to support the weight of "heavy" aircraft so the widebody planes were restricted to 24L and 24R. This situation existed thru the decade of the 70's and into the early 80's.
A long takeoff roll on LAX Runway 25R, just over a minute long, probably loaded to maximum gross weight and headed on a transpacific journey. Pan Am only had a few passenger 747-200s. Most of their 747s were 747-100s and 747SPs. Great memories.
This is very enjoyable. The Boeing 747 is the finest four-engine jetliner ever made, so enormous yet never dumpy looking. The 747 has the curves where she needs them. Look how she leaps into the air. It's a modern engineering miracle.
I miss Pan Am, they're the airline of a dozen childhood family vacations, when we still dressed up to fly. There was no more civilized place in the world to me than a window seat in Clipper Class. I feel sorry for people who never experienced Pan Am at her best.
When flying was something you looked forward to! Tears in my eyes watching this 😭
Agreed but aren't you glad you experienced it.
It was also a better time to be a pilot .
LOVE the growl of those JT-9s!!
Beautiful Airplane! I like that old 747 sound more than the new quiet engines.😊😄
The video showed Pratt & Whitney engines. The 3-spool Rolls Royce RB524 engines were quieter.
@@miaflyer2376 Yeah even CF-6s also on the 747-400s were even a little more quieter that both B&W & RR RB but at least all tree engines thankfully still possess that addictive very high pitch sound, the more modern Rolls Royce Trent-1000 however is most rebellious in sound.
It took like 55 seconds to be airborne , it was probably fully loaded with passengers, baggage and cargo...used to work at MID airport as passenger services supervisor...up to this date I miss Pan Am.
Alfredo Isaac The early 747s were a bit underpowered, they had 43-46000 lbs of thrust per engine where as the 400s have 62-63000 lbs of thrust per engine.
That plan was empty dude
When Pan Am ruled the skies....
My first 747 flight was a PanAm, from LAX to Honolulu. I was stunned at how much longer the takeoff roll was versus say a 737 or an MD80. it felt like we traveled miles before lifting into the sky.
Well, if it took the airplane 55 seconds from the start of the takeoff to get airborne, you probably did travel atleast 1.5 miles.
Max takeoff weight is over 750,000 pounds and higher takeoff speed is required to get airborne.
This aircraft was once operated by Pan Am, the aircraft was later given to Evergreen International Airlines (not the Taiwan-based EVA Air), and it's now stored forever.
Pan Am pilots were the best in the world, without a doubt. A long roll and slow rate of climb are all part of thir smooth image. Never in a hurry, always in 1st, always the best; Pan Am was the American Ambassador to the world.
(I flew on 37 differnent 747's of their 50+ 747's). Water Witch was one of them. My favorites were Clipper America, Young America and Constitution all as an SP. It was nice flying to New Zealand (or Hong Kong) without having to stop at HNL to re-fuel.
Thank you for saying Pan Am pilots were the best in the world. I believed that too and so much wanted to fly for them. Somebody was watching over me because I did get that chance in 1986 when I got hired by them on the 727. I flew for them till the very end, Dec 1991. I miss it terribly. Wished I could have flown the 747 but that was not to be. Still, I have great memories of my time with Pan Am and would do it all over again.
PanAm had a lot of great pilots. I flew with some of them after Delta acquired the profitable remnants of PanAm. They didn't change their takeoff profiles to advance some image though. By the book, just like Delta.
Cant tell you the many times I flew Pan Am across the ocean.
Well, we had some of the best pilots too. John Testrake. Captain HIJACKED TWA 847. He was a hero.
@@joebatters6508 No need to thank me for saying what is entirely true. My mother worked for PAA as well. She was a Flight Attendant/Stewardess and Pursar. Started in 62 or 63 she was based in these locations: JFK/Idylwylde > lived in Liberia ROB? > JFK until '73 > SFO until '86 > JFK until last day in 1991. She said she was the most senior FA when PAA ended. Cheers to you! If you were based at JFK, surely I flew on yours JFK > SDQ or JFK > POP at least once!
Miss them pan am 747 nice first class planes ✈️✈️
I always rewatch this video. I love Pan Am and I love the 747. Such a beautiful aircraft. I miss seeing her at the airport.
"We paid for the whole runway, we're gonna use the whole runway!"
Whoa that was magnificent. I miss the older days of comm flying!
AWESOMELY AWESOME. THIRTY YEAR'S AGO LIVING ON VENICE BEACH, I'LL MISS LAX FOR ALL THE BEST PLANE SPOTTING. THANKS AGAIN FOR A MEMORABLE VIDEO.
That was a HEAVY Clipper :D
Love how you hear the squeak of the radar….and what a “Grovel” of a take off !
Woooow. I wish planes would still sound loud and powerful like this classic! The engines are too quiet and boring now
I love classic 747! Very cool!
A beautiful machine! So impressive!
Piękne za każdym razem jak oglądam te starty nie mogę wyjść z podziwu,pewnie nigdy mi nie przejdzie,a chciałabym choć raz przelecieć się takim odrzutowcem 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍🤗
Such a wonder! It never fails to impress me how such a huge aircraft like that B742 can be so onimous, yet graceful. That's a real pilot flying that Jumbo! Thanks for posting, I admire PAA.
Always liked the paint work of Pan Am :-)
This plane is now the Airforce One Replica in Rhode Island !!!! Great to see it is still in one piece.
I was a young guy right out of college and hired as a Pan Am flight attendant. Use to work this plane frequently. I can cry remembering the most spectacular days of my life! My heart inside is a big blue ball forever!
So beautiful! Flew (worked) on Water Witch many times out of JFK. How wonderful to see her take to the skies again. Is it just my imagination or do Pan Am's engines have a unique sound? I guess it's just my nostalgia talking.
Amazing liftoff legendary.want to go back to this area
Oh, Water Witch, so good to see you again. You took me on my first visit to Europe.
Will always love PanAm ❤❤❤
BOEING 747 RULES !!!!!!!!!!!! I LOVE IT.
Back when planes had real engines!
flew Lax to Hnl on Pan Am 747 ....slow climb out too, fully loaded and every seat taken...love the flight, the food, and the crew..
Wow Pan Am 747!!! Thanks for this lovely video!!!
just listen to the roar of the JT9D´s:)
Amazing sight!
This looks like something you would make but during the 90s
She’s beautiful
Very beautiful plane😊 ✈️
flew her back in 1987 JFK to Nassau, Bahamas. Best flight ever, as short as it was. Have a photograph of me and my family in front of her after disembarking her via airstairs. Will always cherish that photo and Pan Am.
I repossessed one of these planes on the ramp at Boeing Wichita. They were in terrible condition. Pan Am maintenance sucked, they were pencil whipping the jobcards. In one of these, garbage had coagulated into a morass of goo about 10 inches thick in the aft lower cargo compartment. The entire aft lower cargo door sill and the aux door structure was so corroded it ran out of the rivet holes like sand in an hourglass.
John Falkenstine and what did you do for a living,? scab, let's see your photos,
you are full of shit snowflake, never would have been allowed
I'd guess he's right. I was Pan Am Cabin Crew to nearly the end, and it was amazing we hung on as long as we did. A long slow decline, but grateful I got to share a part of that history.
I'm always a "PanAm er" at heart!
The old airliners sound better and louder than todays airliners. I wish the GOVT would have bailed them out !
I love Pan Am.. Their planes never looked like other Boeings or Tristars etc... They all looked unique as "Clippers".
A magnificent plane..
My first time ever on an airplane was on a Pan Am Boing 747-200 in October 1978 from CCS to MIA. Great Airline would not ever forget those memories.
@Starboard76, thank you so much and I'll let Craig know as well. You actually really helped me because I couldn't quite read which Clipper it was or the N number so I appreciate it and it's now added to the description.
Ryan
I actually flew this particular plane from zurich switzerland to ny jfk. It was pan am flight 090. I felt like I could not enjoy it because both my parents got sick. Pan am was a very good airline back in the day. I enjoyed it immensely
COOL....... bet they were a bit under powered back in 1970...... flew on the first United 747's LAX to Honolulu 1971....... still love that plane !
HEAVY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I will say it best, PAN AM was fucking AWESOME ! We flew the 747 in 1986 from L.A.X. to Athens Greece. Almost the whole plane to ourselves. Enjoyd Athens, also stayed on Mykonos a couple of weeks. Back to Athens a few days. Then returning back to L.A.X. THE BEST AIRLINE OF IT'S TIME..
+Mark Wentworth Might have been fun for you, but an empty plane is never good for the airline. :(
fact is they lost two 747s over the years, that would be enough to bankrupt a lot of airlines, they were never going to recover after the loss of 103
It was a lot more than 103. Do your homework.
Tenerife and Lockerbie
Mark Wentworth
I seriously want PAN AM back...miss them so much
Waow. That 747 was extremely heavy
Never rode a Pan Am flight since they went out of business 8 years before I was born, yet it's my Favorite airline of all time and I wish I could fly with them...
Beautiful ! :D R.I.P all of the passengers and crew on flight 103 . Clipper Maid of the seas.
Because abdelbasset al-megrahi put his bomb that he built to make sure the Clipper Maid of the seas cannot escape.
buenas como estan? somos TopayMuni . Que lindos los videos que tienen!
Les mandamos abrazo.
Hasta luego!
great take off........so graceful.......it seemed like a very quiet time at Lax.......can anyone take a guess as to where the "water witch" was heading?
very nice video....looks as if it was shot this week,while we all know that this airline has been gone for almost two decades...
What is the year of this video? Top! Pan Am is legendary!
@onecunningfox, yeah thanks. I put Clipper Water Witch in the tags.
That's LAX. 1981. Maybe I was on that flight from LAX - London Heathrow, then on to
West Berlin TGL.
I used to love those long takeoff rolls. Looks like it is barely moving down the runway.
Pan Am A300 JFK to Barbados in my youth, my favorite airline to fly on to this day
Would have been nice to know *what year* this was taken?
They didn't repaint all of their planes in the new colorscheme though. Given when all the other videos this user posted were, it's very likely this was the late 1980s or early 1990s.
Yes, we hated those big tacky letters. This old style was much classier.
Wow talk about a slow rate never seen one like this before on 747.
Beauty!! I wanna fly with a pan-am which is no longer possible :(.
Tragic accident in March 1977 , two big planes collided on the runway...
Clipper Maid of the Seas was blow to pieces in december 1988...RIP
Tenerife, Canary Isles and Lockerbie, Scotland, respectively, correct?🤔
@@rudyho3790 Yes, correct!
As a controller and a ga pilot for many years, that was not an initial slow climb: i have seen a great many. Long , probabaly rotated in the within the last 1000ft, roll and obviously very heavy and maybe even broke away a little runway and taxiway signage in the days before they were frangible(after EAL66). I'll guarantee the first thing he asked that departure controller for what's called a "high speed climb." That's a deletion of the 250kts restriction below 10k. Looking at that roll he probably requested about a 270kt- 280kt climbout.
B1970T full load, warm day,
look at the sky
must of been a heavy bird!
Pan Am 懐かしい！
Wow, you had enough time to eat lunch from the start of the takeoff roll until rotate LOL... good ol' days man
What year was this filmed please?
CWM800 this had to have been filmed in the early 80's due to the fact that PANAM was still flying in it's old livery/paint scheme, they switched in late 80s to big letters and no blue stripe down the fuselage
Year ?
In the video, it looks like they blurred out the Clipper class from the side of the plane... wonder why?
I noticed that as well. I thought it was telephoto beard or something.
I remember the Pan Ams 747 landing in Tehran Mehrabad airport and the Iran Air Homa landing in New York during the reign of the Shah back in 1978. Non-stop flight New York to Tehran and vice versa, wow how I miss those days....:-(
I know and have flown with several ex-Iran Air B747 pilots. All gentlemen and excellent aviators. IranAir was a class act. A favorite of them was the B747SP that would fly JFK-Tehran, nonstop.
V1/V2 t/off speeds wayyyy down that runway for this big bird, lolol😎👍
I was born in ‘03 and never got to know what a Pan Am flight was like
Water Witch.... I like it, sounds evil.
@Starboard76
Brought a tear to my eye...love the graceful PAA roll to the end of the tarmac. I will never forget!
No doubt she went to HNL, then Kai Tak or AKL or SYD afterwards. (The SP did SYD, Kai Tak and AKL on Wednesdays non-stop on Wednesdays from LAX and SFO)...those were the days.
Thanks for the memories :o(...
Why so long takeoff roll? Is it really necessary or is it just showoff?
It’s actually very simple. The hotter the temperature, the less dense the air becomes. Altitude of the airfield is also a factor that we have to take into consideration. The higher the airfield, the less dense the air becomes. Jet engines like air, in fact they love it, lots of it, so with less air going into it, the less the power or thrust will be produced. The less the thrust, the longer the take off roll will be. I’m actually a retired Airline Pilot. I’m a 52 year old Virgin! No, not really! I was with Virgin Atlantic Airways on the B747-400 for twenty one years and flew into LAX from London Heathrow many many times, as well as SFO. The LAS service was out of London Gatwick. Now LAS is a perfect example of what I’m discussing. With temperatures sometimes over 45 degrees Centigrade or Celsius, as they now call it, the old Pratt and Whitney’s would really have struggled! I never flew the 100/200 that Virgin also operated. They were a mixed fleet as far as engines were concerned. The 100’s were Pratt Powered but the 200’s, many being Ex-Air New Zealand machines, had Rolls Royce RB211 Motors. These were considerably more powerful than the Pratt’s but still would have struggled out of LAS in the summer time. LAS is also a very high airfield, at over 5000 feet elevation above sea level. As we discussed earlier, this also has a detrimental affect upon engine performance! The 400 series that I flew had GE’s, these were rated at 58,000 lbs of thrust each, so LAS for us was no problem at all, even with a full load. So you see how it works now then! We use something called a WAT Limit graph, this stands for Weight, Altitude and Temperature. We have to satisfy this requirement, or be within the limits of this graph or we couldn’t go! The Max operating temperature for the 400 was +52 degrees C, above that, we couldn’t go! With all that considered, you can now see that the higher the temperature and altitude, the less the power output of the engines will be, so as a result, the take off roll will be considerably longer than say, JFK, in winter, taking off on 31L with just 250 passengers. R.I.P. to all who were tragically lost on Pan Am flight 103 on the 21/12/1988, and the 11 unfortunates on the ground in the Scottish town of Lockerbie, who also lost their lives in the disaster.
Wow, look at that shocking 1970s LA smog.
More like late 80s
Why do your videos look stretched out?
These videos were uploaded several years ago with a box on both sides of screen to keep it the 4:3 format. Years after uploading, CZcams decided to 'stretch' about 1/2 of my VHS videos. I assure you, it's not my fault. Here's an example of what it looked like prior: czcams.com/video/xhpSfOSRWNk/video.html
Im going to get allot of slack for this, but I kind if like this plane more in the "TOWER AIR" livery ......
Climbing out of Auckland for Honolulu full plane. Take off roll nearly a minute
When America was still America…We have lost our way
This 727 has new quieter engines
I wonder why Pan am Stop servicing?
Same thing with the 4 engine plane such as a340 and a380 about the climb rate
pan am is boss
This must be old as hell i see 80's late 70's etc
Clipper Water Witch 🧙♀️
1985, France, an adult piece of literature.
Heavy tow
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