10 Items In Blackwing Lair That Will Cause Drama In Your Guild
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- čas přidán 5. 08. 2024
- Drama, a big part of loot distribution. And with Blackwing Lair coming out soon I thought it would be fun to go over some very drama sensitive items. Enjoy!
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You can't spell DFT without drama
Just like Drama Spine Trophy in Gruul's Lair lol. Good to see you here bro, and thanks for the inspiration, your explanation of loot reminded me a lot of the difficult decisions I had to make when I was in a loot council guild myself.
Skarm Tank sure you can. MT gets prio for threat and then it goes to rogues. Warriors don’t need it anymore with the new hs queuing mechanic and our 6% hit cap.
TheOriginalLokisam warriors do more damage than rogues though so it equals out. And you can’t expect warriors to master heroic strike queuing.
The Knee with ony+songflower most warriors will be pushing over 40% crit. At that point you can nearly sustain hs every mh swing anyway. It’s just not worth it to take dft over a rogue when we’ll replace it in the next major raid release.
TheOriginalLokisam you need more hit once you get crit capped. DFT + HoJ is bis until Naxx. Getting crit capped is easy with world buffs. And heroic strike queuing doesn’t work with all warriors. You cannot expect warriors to all que it perfectly.
I remember rejuvenating gem dropping and spending ALL of my DKP on it. The salty tears from the other healers who tried to go cheap was fantastic.
Juicy loot
UberDanger Play fury warrior or no balls
I can't believe this only got 2 likes
Life giving gem was seen as a tank item in Vanilla, in fact it's one of the best trinkets for a MT if not bis because of how it scaled with health. I don't recall many guilds on my server having drama over this, it was often MT pri in most guilds and PvP rolls would come second. The item that will cause the most drama will definitely be The Untamed Blade and Ashkandi, especially on Alliance.
Compared to DFT, Tear or the Gem? You are clearly clueless.
Green2711 1 I thought similar things regarding the weapons but most guilds don’t seeem to give a shit about PvP. I’ll tell you what though if I was warrior on alliance and lost Ashkandi to a ret Paladin id punch a wall lmfao. I’m horde though so I just chuckle at that meme spec as it attempts to auto attack me down. I also gotta say not enough people give love to the trusty Drake Talon Cleaver. I used that in vanilla until Ashkandi and it was legit. I was hoping to do the same in classic but I got Spinal a month ago so I won’t be rocking it this time around. But folks shouldn’t sleep on it. Especially if you’re horde and orc. Two hand fury with an axe or OEB puts out insane numbers
Ashkandi is for arms warrior, what drama are you talking about ?
UNTAMED is NOT A DRAMA ITEM for Alliance. It's good and only will be great if it has higher than 1 proc per minute.
ASHKANDI is a PvP weapon, who cares. Hunter Ranker or Warrior.
DFT + Lifegiving Gem/HoJ is insane combination.
*Also*: CHROMATIC BOOTS ARE NOT TANK PRIO. GIVE THEM TO YOUR DPS WARRIORS. Make them happy. We get Drake Talon, they get Chromatic Boots. They get AQ Shoulders first, we get AQ Boots first.
Aslong as rets stay away from bre U can have all the ashkandi u want lol also amazing for pvp hunter
Actually Boots of the shadow flame is Druid/Dagger rogue prio since they get Aged Core Leather Gloves from molten core they will never get 8 set bonus from tier 2 so they take those instead
Also cause of talent that leads to crit cap way faster
william hals any good feral Druid tank should get that over a stupid ass rogue LOL
I knew from maining shaman that you can make any spec of it work to a degree (enhance dps/tanking, ele dps etc) but I didnt know feral druids did that much damage they really are the only true hybrid
Our healers still used Rejuvenating Gem in Karazhan , Gruul and even SSC.
Not that suprised to hear that, it's an amazing item :)
As a priest, if I remember correctly, you'd basicaly want it untill Illidan rofl (using the class trinket then Illidan's memento finnaly as a replacement).
I did haha.
on my guild we are not much people we kill ragnaros fine with 25 players but idk if we are gonna keep progressing when BWL is out , is it posible to go BWL with 25-30 people or we need 40 for bosses such as Vael? never raided BWL in vanilla but seems way harder than MC .
The gloves thing Is funny dude I liked it
Lol, I was like why is he talking about gloves of rapid de?
Oh well, Ashkandi for me as a Ret. Loving it.
Pffft, hunter weapon!
Great vid. Definitely remember a lot of rogues in my guild seething when one of the worst performers went all in for the talisman and spent all his DKP in one go.
Thats why DKPs are shit
This video does a good job showing why I generally dont like loot council
getting mad for not getting loot, then you are really idiotic
It's a matter of politics, letting 2-5 people decide who does and doesn't get loot is an easy way to introduce unnecessary drama. Using something like dkp so that those who participate the most get priority, or main spec rolling so everyone who needs it has the same chance are fair systems, no matter how many times I roll a 6
Both systems have pros/cons. What you should look at in the long term is this, Do you wanna be in a guild that uses DKP or LC? If you pick one ask yourself why and etc. In the guild I am in we use LC but we actually have a good core so we dont have drama much. The only drama of late was another tank leaving because he didnt get a 100 percent guarantee he would be the second set of bindings(We got one finally of the 2).
If a loot council becomes corrupt then id argue the main raid can just say fuck you to the 2-5 deciding loot and tell them to just 5 man every raid. And watch how fast that wilts.
@@Ytinasniiable I'm with you here. Having to blindly trust complete and total strangers to do the right thing and not have any bias against friends/girls in their guilds is something I don't wanna do. EP:GP all the way
@@HamsterWheelGaming Spitting truth, girls in raids cause logical dudes brains to malfunction because getting noticed by gamer girl is most valued currency by lonely spergs.
At least the CZcams algorithm still suggests Hamsterwheel
if you give nef mace to a shaman without allowing the druid a chance as well...you will cause a huge revolt...ive seen it first hand
Happened before in Loot Council where I was on. Druids just don't provide as much hard healing as a holy pally or resto shammy, and unfortunately that argument can be used when Loot Council decides who should have this item.
oh no! the only one druid would leave the raid! it is so hard to find druids out there. i mean, they got the hardest part of the raid. using fearie fire. lul :D
its ok if you're half decent you only use 1 druid heal.
@@HamsterWheelGaming I'm not familiar with how holy paladins stack up to resto druids. But I do know that I tank heal on my druid alot better than any shaman could. It's honestly such a debate I can understand it personally going either way. My personal opinion if i ran the guild though would be to let shams and druids both roll, to help keep the drama down. Got a lot of respect for you man keep it up
Luckily I'm a druid and off tanking, so, druid has it's perks.
Ahhh fellow druids, so sad that we don’t have tier sets. Theirs a couple crafted purples u can make that help with mc (helm,belt,boots). Aswell as warden staff and the beast chest. Makes tanking mc smooth as butter! :)
We are making our feral druid got resto for bwl, guess they arn't as strong in t2...
z z I’m still feral tanking bwl we’re 6/8 so far. Theirs two fights feral can’t tank in bwl everything else is fair game.
See this is why our guild has a mentality of ‘it doesn’t matter who gets it first’, everyone is going to get loot if not the first week then the next, if not this month then the next. I’m there to Tank and have a good time raiding over seeing who gets what loot first.
Then one guy skips the raid since he got what he wanted and then another. eventually your guild struggles to get 40 man log for raid night and you're still missing the one piece you wanted. Not everyone gets bwl trinkets, ever
@@9axel5 This doesn't mean that we don't have loot council, I'm kinda saying this from my perspective. When it comes to BiS items we do have a loot council that is determined by in game performance and attendance.
Edit: Also yes, when it comes to tier sets its determined by who's closer to the tier set bonus. Then taken into consideration depending how good that tier set really is.
Well, all i need left from MC is choker and 1 ring of spell power and i'd be maxed out... good think is that BWL has like 9 new items to look forward to and with it, finally your BiS gear is primarily epic xD
I joined an awesome guild a week ago. They were clearing Mc and BWL, with little to no issue. In one week, I got fully geared as a hunter with them! Awesome guys!
This is a great video for raid leaders.
and here i thought vaelastrasz the guild breaker would cause enough drama
And why vaelastraz is guild breaker is that rogues again bringing their toxicity and backstabbing their ranged/healing group to death as well.
Vaelastrasz won't break anyguild in 2k19, dps is way higher, he will get destroyed.
No worry there wont be. Classic raiding is easy ! People are gona speedrun that shit the second week it came out.
@@LeCaptRage Its not so simple. Sure best guilds will clear BWL in first day. But there are casual raiding guilds who havent cleared MC yet.
@@nakki123 its still very easy compared to any retail raid.
Moral of the video: rogues complain a lot.
Ofcourse I complain, can't lose Sindragosa's Cruel Claw to some crit wannabe pala. Didn't play wow for 2 years and I still remmember this shit.
Somebody has been killed 1 too many times by a rogue. LOL
the most insecure class
@Kim Jong-un O hey dont get me wrong I've heard complaints from rogues but I hear complaints mostly come from tanks & offtanks wanting shit they dont need. I never played a rogue on retail but when I came to classic I decided it was a fresh start to play a rogue. I dont complain about loot when I raid? I've been waiting on perds for forever now & guess what? Its wtv! Lol. There are many gear substitutes. I think it's just other whiny classes trying to stereotype a class like saying only rogues are ninja looters.. in my experience hunters are ninja looters. But again that's just my rng experience. It's not the class, it's the person. Dont be a douche and stereotype, cause then it leaves players like me to deal with the ridicule of playing a certain class. (It's a game get over it.)
@@romanpapec6735 get used to it junior
What happen to the infamouse AL sword?
Chromatically tempered sword?
Cool video!
@hamsterwheel You claim that Shedothedruid is somehow going to show us the way of feral in vanilla but his channel has zero uploads from retail classic and only some pserver footage
Good video, nothing to debunk here
What's Dodge rating?
ashkandi is definitely one, because from my experience every1 who can will roll on it, and people always get pissed if some1 who doesnt do alot of pvp gets it. same goes for lifegiving gem.
I decided to not throw ashkandi in here because it's mainly pvp prio for warriors (sorry Esfand). So it's not super beneficial to raiding and only relevant to off-spec rolls so probably not that much drama involved compared to an item used for raiding that is great for multiple classes that makes it really hard to narrow it down to just one choice. Also based on my own experience in Loot Council that sword barely caused any drama.
@@HamsterWheelGaming that is true but im talking more about pvp based guilds, in the guilds where i've been some ppl have gotten pissed off about the fact that some1 else got this weapon even tho they barely do pvp, feels like in my guild people care more about pvp bis than pve bis.
@@Alexandros.Mograine Fair enough, that makes sense!
@@HamsterWheelGaming untill the hunter wins it 😏
Give it to the highest ranked pvp warrior, there you go you're setteled
Does Lifegiving Gem increase your max health first and then heal you?
look at it as if were a Last stand, because that is Lifegiving gem
@@luckiness9500 one difference being tho, last stand doesnt give you healing aggro while the gem does
the whole trick behind the warrior macro is it circumvents the need for +hit gear, so logically hit gear should be left for rogues and meme specs, with hunters somewhere inbetween
Nothing funnier than guild drama and just watching everyone fight in guild chat lmao
Thank god i have a good guild. Everyone always passing on items just to gear others, we know it will drop again.
Same
Same
The 3 trinkets, Reju, DFT, and Nef tears, will surely be the biggest of Drama starters.
Can't wait...
as far as i'm concerned, any item that drops on faerlina stirs up drama, especially BoPs
Small correction: I know you said DFT was good for Feral DPS druid, but it is also part of your classic BiS setup for feral tank. It is the only way to get 9% hit(cap for maul) without losing a significant amount of mitigation.
For feral tanks hit cap isn't important. 5-6% hit is enough in 90% of situations
@@glorytoukraine2760 Yes how important that is depends on a lot of things. If you are MT then threat can be important depending on what your dps is doing. In 4 horseman you want to have 9% hit and classicdb.ch/?item=19947 as a taunt resist can mean a wipe.
most guilds wont use feral tanks so ...
Fucking got me with the Gloves of Rapid Evolution, love the content.
Downed BWL Week 1 and got the tear on my Warlock XD, BIS trinket for the rest of classic bois!
2nd week for me, but got it on my Mage. Was 2nd on DKP until the trash just before Chromaggus where Blizzard Boots dropped and the top mage took them. Then I prayed to RNGesus and was finally rewarded with a Nelth Tear - my main goal of Classic, and something I never got in Vanilla or private servers.
When you mention Feral Druids. It feels like you're talking about the dps aspect over a feral tank. I'm a feral tank with 10k hp raid buff, usually main tanking. Luckily with how well I perform. I've never had drama on choosing my loot prio. Reaching hit cap is more difficult than any melee class and Hunter as a feral. Especially a feral tank. I have my band of accuria. Hopefully the Shadow boots drop so I can mix around my future rank 13 gear and have a healthy hit rating.
@Brian Hopefully your prio is warrior tanks. Because Warrior dps have larger amount of resources to obtain hit than others and dps taking hit over a tank is purely idiotic and selfish.
I'm a feral tank as well. And that band is the last thing I need! Hit rating is hard for us for sure!
Especially with warriors tanking as fury. Thanks should always get hit gear prio imo. Tank DPS means higher raid DPS.
@@joshholmes1372 and higher tank dps means higher threat, so your Warlocks can go all out. Especially if you're Horde aka no Salv.
@Brian why would warriors have prio for Accuria? Warrior only needs 6% hit (and edgemasters if wrong race), and most of it is already covered by Lionheart helmet, don julio's band and Ony talisman.
So many melee items. :D
Imagine not have ashkandi in this list
not really a high drama item tbh, goes to warriors that care about pvp and dont have any of the pvp epic weapons already. Better options for pve
Was apart of a high end guild that disbanded because a hunter received the sword.
@@Frostshaitan Goes to Hunters, if the warriors don't need it for pve
Just personal thoughts but, Best way to handle rejuv gem is to give it to the healers that get screwed with dire maul books
Paladins/shamans
Then priests or druids
Same thing with prestors though hunters should get priority over rogues simply because rogues will eventually end up with ony head necklace
@@pakman184
priest is 33 healing and mp5 druid is raw 44 heaping
Shaman and paladin both benefit the most from mp5 and neither of their trinkets have it and also have the lowest healing value on their respective trinkets comparatively
@@axion3979 Rejuv Gem is literally the best trinket in the game for healers.
@@Shatamx thanks for the obvious comment, wasnt sayjng priest and druids should never get it but the stat/weigt value would boost a paladin or shaman the most.
In terms of stat prio, it helps out druids the most. Shamans get more benefit from mp5, and priests get more from +heal and spirit, whereas druid largely benefit from +heal and mp5 due to how beneficial +heal is to HT, and we don't get as much benefit from spirit as priests, and shamans dont get as much benefit from +heal to their spells. Shamans actually have the best trinkets for their class before bwl, because they get 16mp5 from ony and 11mp5 from mindtap, which for shamans is INSANE. Giving up 2 mp5 for 66 healing isn't that great for shamans as opposed to +20 heal and 9mp5 for druids is insane. Priest trinket also benefits druids slightly more and druid trinket benefits priest slightly more, so why should a shaman take it again?
@@fb6248 druids can also more efficiently use trinkets like the one from BRD that reduce mana cost compared to shamans where a druid can effectively 'gain' 800 mana in a fight and assuming the fight lasts 2 minutes thats 33.5mp5 and 12sp but i guess its about the same in a case where the druid is spamming healing touch and not hots
What's crazy is the first item on the list is good but them blue first damage ones are not far off yeah stats are way less but still crazy how good them blue frost shoulders from brd are
Nevermind the Deep Earth Spaulders for ele shammies, MC item that gives you 40 nature spell damage. Crazy shit lol
Cpax here to say how much I miss VG
It's a shame that server was so poorly managed.
There will be no drama in a Chinese server, because items always drop into the pocket of those who pay the most money.
When enhancement doesn’t get mentioned that’s a big rip
Lol cuz it's terrible,
Enhance is trash my guy
I used to play on feenix. Been missing it a lot lately since classic came out. I was part of the group that started the GDKP pugging of mc which progressed into bwl etc etc. Respect to the main man Drakon for the idea behind gold-dkp pugs. Every Saturday and Sunday, then we started doing them on horde side as well. However there we never any reserves, even the legendaries in Molten Core went for gdkp. I remember baron binding going for 30k if I recall correctly.
What was your class/race and character name there?
@@HamsterWheelGaming I was mainly on Devilsphobia (female nelf warrior) or Clockworks (male nelf rogue) had all other classes but mained those and yourself?
You're such an advocate dir meme specs. I wonder how your guild parses are. Assuming you actually bring them to your raid ofc
I don't recall the the shoulder ever being drama, seems like a bait? The lifegiving gem goes to tank for Vaelastrasz living through debuff, again not much drama to be had here.
DFT should go to the MT first every time on the Horde side. Not only is the dps limited by your MT's threat, it also has 1% dodge that is worthless to dps.
I was surprised you didn't include Mish'undare, Circlet of the Mind Flayer
As a class leader in my guild i am very concerned about Mish'undare causing drama myself...
There are two ways to do it in a way. U can give it to classes it will last the longest, or u do it with progression in mind. If u give it to the class it lasts the longest, pallies are also in the conversation
This is why I'm glad I'm in a guild that is a bunch of people who became great friends over time, and we're a bit more casual, I've yet to see anyone freak out over loot or start any drama over it.
guild and loot drama in general is the most entertaining part about classic
@@kingoust yeah it is to a degree when you see videos of it on CZcams but I really don't want to deal with it myself, though I'm sure I'll end up dealing with it anyways when some player inevitably joins our guild and raids with us.
As a rogue in vanilla I went through this drama with a hunter in my guild.
loot drama! in other words... melee classes.
you europeans can keep your socialist/communist loot council while us americans will continue our successful capitalism with point system
I ran as a fury warrior two weeks ago and got the Drakefang Talisman on my first run. Haven’t felt that lucky since I got my Deathbringer.
Your prob a undead
I got lucky with a talisman of ephemeral power, and I'm completely OK with locks getting prior over mages.
benefit of using DKP, whoever has points and is eligible for the pick has equal chance for drop as any other
DKP made a human warrior get perditions blade instead of me as a night elf rogue. yup.
@@soab24 sounds like you dont show up to raid enough
@@JT-91 or i spent too much on other items because i didn't plan for a human warrior to bid on a dagger, literally the only melee with more dkp.
@@soab24 idk what warrior but prot uses daggers for threat generation
@@JT-91 yeah it's definitely not bad for him, but there are better options for him in phase 3, especially since he's a human!! he will easily obtain those too because he is one of our 3 main tanks. for me it's the best up until c'thun, so likely the best i will ever get to see in the whole game. it's just so very shortsighted to give it to him. i'm not exactly looking forward to seeing him put his perd in the bank while i still didn't get one.
The script is 90% same with Skarm's podcast.
yea, take his content -> shorten it into a vid -> write click baity title -> ez money ez life -> lose all dignity. worth?
@@Jonassvensson-uv9zd Trimming the fat from skarm's video is valuable though. If i want to start a discussion with my guildies, i can't expect them to watch skarm's 2h vod where he fumbles over the database, and has to think about what he is gonna say, on the fly. I can however expect them to watch a nice 13 min video that covers all the most interesting and important points. brevity is good.
@@haldir108 the information is good but Hamsterwheel do not deserve getting credit for spreading it. There is a reason for laws like copyright, if I heard a good album and released it with only a few adjustments I would never see the light of sun again. My product might still look good to you, but that does not mean my income of said product is morally correct. Hamsterwheel downright stole another mans content, but since youtube is the wild west of modern society he will get rich (at the cost of his own self worth). youre worthless Hamsterwheel, go produce to society on legit grounds or stand in the dark hall of shame in which youre already stood. /spit
Lok'Amir is also BiS for shadow. That with AV offhand is BiS over Ath staff.
Yeah, but it's not as big of an upgrade for other classes that can use it.
All this drama can be avoided if they just make anyone who wants these items to just /roll and let fate decide
Chill6063 I couldn’t agree more lmao what happened to the simpler days of /roll
What? That's simply stupid. Ofc just rolling will cause drama. Why should X be allowed to roll for Y item when the item is clearly made for Z class.
I wish you were right, but you are delusional if you think simply /roll will be the option to go for avoiding drama.
It is a solution but whiny bitches will always exist
@Brian as I said. whiny bitches will always exist. If you lose your roll just wait till next time (its not like we have to wait for a new exp or something) or make it RR for the guy that won last week if the same loot drops until everyone gets the loot they are fighting over.
/roll doesn't solve drama. You know whats gonna happen then? Some shit player who does minimal dps might win the roll, and then all the tryhards are gonna throw a tantrum saying 'he doesn't deserve the item, REEEE'
Hello. Here are my thoughts on these items.
Following points only applies if LC is the used system. DKP solves itself, highest dkp wins the item. Don't like it, find a LC guild. With that said, LC should only be a thing in very serious guilds imo. Also, meme specs like feral dps/shadow priest isnt ever in my consideration. I'll explain later.
Mantle of the Blackwing Cabal: Are you serious? 30 spell dmg shoulders are in the game. Even rank 10 shoulders. Are you in a LC guild, with casters not using these items, your guild aren't serious enough to be a LC guild. It's really not a big deal.
Lifegiving Gem: Your guild is a serious guild? Give it to tanks first, since they can have use of it in PvE, then rankers/PvP'ers cus its useless for dps. How does this cause drama?
Lifegiving Gem: Shamans prio imo, but this is prolly the item I have the least knowledge about.
DFT: Tanks = Rogues > Furies. Allright, so Fury dps gains stat ratio is 9AP pr hit above 6%. Making this a 14AP Increase over the 2% crit trinket (1crit is valued about 30 ap). So a very small gain.
For tanks i'd say it should be prioriticed to them for TPS, if they are currently struggling with threat, however I'd say rogues has a better claim to this, depending on your tanks current threat state (don't be that greedy MT, taking everything, just because you can). Also If you're running tank druids, they have same prio as other tanks. Stop the feral meme, saying ferals does competetive dps is such a false statement. If you have a feral dps doing high dps, i bet you, he isnt doing high dps, but your warriors are doing LOW dps. Recruit new warriors! If this is the case, you arent in a serious guild, hence shouldn't use LC over DKP, and therefore problem solved.
classic.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/1000#metric=dps&class=DPS Theres a reason charts looks like this.
Lok'amir: I'd say shamans = Druids > Spriest. You don't bring a spriest for his DPS. But then again, as I said, im not really into healing that much, however your guild will prolly bring a shadow weaving priest, so please...
Prestor's: Rogues > Hunters. Why? Benefits you're guild more to have geared rogues cus they do more damage. Theres allrdy hit on ony neck, so hunters will do fine hitting tranqs without this item. You will probably seeing hunters whine more about the first xbow just within the hunter class alone, than hunters whining about this item.
Boots of shadow flame: Tank druids > Rogues. Cus tanks more important that your rogue. Feral? really? If you are feral and want loot, find a dkp guild.
Pure elementium band: Priests > Druids > Shaman. 1 finger will have the MC ring on it. The other finger will have this! In aq40 you get the Ring of the Martyr, whch you will most likely prioritice to shamans/druids, and you can't expect to have both right? But then again, im not into healing that much.
Tear: Warlocks > Mages. If you rolled a shadowpriest and think you're getting this item, you done f*cked up. So the reason my guild prioritices warlocks is obviously because of the hit, however mages need it too. Thing is, Mish'undare is also bis for both, but warlocks lack hit more, AND they get t2.5 from AQ40 which prolly replaces mish'undare, so giving that head to mages. Also giving staff of whatever to mages first, cause locks can get a good hit offhand in ZG, and therefore will use MB and that OH. So mages has prio on 2 desired items, warlock has on one.
So, the priorities arent the end-all-be-all. Obviously you need to consider performance too. If you have a rogue doing less dmg than your feral dps (ffs) then give it to the feral dps, cause you will probably replace the rogue in the near future. Also, most people understand that when they are CLEARLY outperfmed by someone, that someone is most likely to see the very contested items first.
These are my thoughts.
I understand your logic, and the thing is that these items aren't sensitive to drama as there's no logic to explain why said item should go to x over y. The thing is that despite logical explanations, people will still loose their shit over some items as logic goes out the window and emotions take over with these super sought after items.
You can't hold a guild togather for so long with this mentality, this isn't 2005 vanilla where ppl were hardcore basement creatures who take this game more seriously than IRL, most of ppl nowadays are for the fun and if you start dictating what they should play and threatening them, then most of them will gquit and go back to their real life business
D. K. P.... so simple of a loot system
I remember more drama regarding the staff and cloth head from nefarian than some of the other items on the liste :)
Head: classic.wowhead.com/item=19375/mishundare-circlet-of-the-mind-flayer
Staff: classic.wowhead.com/item=19356/staff-of-the-shadow-flame
Vanilla gaming footage. :¨)
Log on one of these days, bro! ?¨:´D
Hehe I wish I could go back but raiding with my Chaos boys took a lot of time out of my hands. Time I unfortunately don't have anymore, but I just had to put it in here as background footage. 1. cause it's fitting and 2. as a little hommage to that awesome guild and the awesome people on VG :)
@@HamsterWheelGaming So glad to read that, bro! The VG community os fantastic, even these days that The server IS not in its best moments of people (well, It has never had a good moments un terms of population), but, you get The idea.
Anyway, thanks man. :")
Dissapointed todo have never seen you out there on VG.
Have a good one! :")
@@sebastianhurtado1203 The feeling's mutual, and you too!
You should have mentioned the R10 shoulders in comparison to the Mantle of Blackwing cabal. The R10 shoulders are one of the best pieces in the set for spriest/warlocks/mages and the +23 SP 2 set bonus is obviously great. And R10 is not that hard to get.
yeah but with nefarian headpiece it isnt that comparable
@@WINTERGRIFT Mish'undare is not that good for SP and R10 shoulders+boots are great for mages when they respec fire for AQ.
Chromatic Boots are definitely Ret Pally boots. No question.
Hi Esfand
Hunter item 100%
In my guild mages and locks have an agreement the mages get prio on staff of the shadowflame and locks get tear. It helps minimize drama, yes people want both, but atleast it helps split people across items and each class is still able to get a stupidly powerful item. I've been lucky with my guild in that everyone is pretty reasonable and there isnt to much loot drama. EPGP FTW.
Maybe this is me being overly optimistic, but holy shit am I ever impressed with how mature and patient people are with loot in 2019 compared to 2005, when I first began raiding. People just don't fight over loot like they used to anymore. Ofcourse, when you can down all content with little to no effort and you clear all of MC in 90 mins without breaking a sweat, you're bound to get your loot sooner or later. If someone else gets theirs before you, it's no biggie. You'll have your chance next week. Or the week after that.
You tell someone they can't have this item right now and instead of starting a flame war over it, they just accept it and go: Yea, sure, that's cool. I'll get it next time. Seems like a big part of the reason people used to drool over loot so hard and fight for the right to get it was because killing bosses back in 2004-2006 was much harder because we had no clue what the fuck we were doing. Now, we know pretty much all there is to know and every single piece of content that is currently available is a cakewalk for even the most casual guild. When you know your guild is clearing all available content with minimal effort anyway, you'll get your loot sooner or later, which makes it far easier to be understanding of why you didn't get it this time.
Sure, raids like AQ40 and Naxx are probably NOT going to be the walk in the park that MC is right now, but I still expect a buttload more people will clear it then they did in vanilla. Even Naxx will be brought to its knees by a guild that takes it halfway serious. With everything we know about our classes, all the foresight we have to prepare ahead of time and all the strategies already mastered long before the raid even comes out, how could we not clear it with so much more ease.
Loot drama isn't what it used to be because raid difficulty isn't what it used to be. I lost T1 priest rolls so many times in my first few MC weeks. Didn't give a shit, because I knew I'd catch up eventually and I had plenty of time before BWL. And lo and behold, I did in fact catch up to the other priests just fine. No point in being dramatic when you know the loot is pretty much guaranteed. You just have to wait longer then some others to get it, but you will get it in time.
Yes knowledge is a big part of the massively reduced drama, but you can't ignore the fact most players are now much older, late 20's or 30+ compared to the whiney kids and teenagers most were back then. Kids are still gonna be massive drama llamas. However girls in your raid can still cause some guys to think with their little brain instead of their big one...some things never change even with age :) Also some gear like Mageblade has so much demand there will always be drama for it.
@@cattysplat indeed in our guild loot council gave azuresong mageblade to a girl mage. Soon she stopped playing and left the guild.
Feenix - Warsong... brings back memories.
This topic gives me horrible memories.
Just watching the intro now, but I bet one item is the nelthation’s tear trinket.
I lost one to a SHAMAN HEALER first time it dropped. He had the dkp. I was so mad.
DFT should be rogue priority now that HS queuing circumvents crit cap, that's not going to stop me from trying to take it on my fury warrior though
VG still going strong?
it's alive but barely one guild raiding on each faction
nice
DFT is the best tank trinket in phase 3. It's not even close. Huge drama. As a GM and healer, I want that on all my tanks.
I think Neltharion's Tear should be warlock priority first and foremost. Not only do they need this item the most due to hit. Mages don't really need that item, and I say this as a mage myself.
My reasoning is that if you do a loot council, you can give mages a priority on ToEP from Molten Core. It is quite a bit better on a mage than a warlock thanks to the Arcane Power talent. A mage will want to go in boss fights with ToEP and MQG equipped if they have them - and giving them a Neltharion's Tear is therefore unreasonable, as they won't even have it equipped most of the time.
Ideally it should yes, mages can get 6% hit from talents and 1% more hit from Ringos or r7 boots. In the ZG patch they also get 2% hit from their head/leg enchant while warlocks are just shafted with their tier/pvp/enchants lol. Giving warlocks extra hit actually marginally improves mage dps because getting 5 resists in a row while trying to apply Curse of Elements is frustratingly more common than you'd think. It also reduces the chance of the improved shadowbolt debuff to resist so that's another raiddps bump.
i like how the thumbnail shows the item with rating numbers tsk tsk
Nelths tear is Warlock prio. I'm a mage. But the first let's say about 4 of them need to go to Locks who are core and plan to tank in Twin Emps. If you ask me, going into BWL, the mages and warlocks should agree that HIT gear is warlock prio and CRIT gear is mage prio. So bracers, ring, trinket go to warlocks first and staff plus helm go to mages first. I would say up to 4(maybe less) of any given piece before opening it up to other classes.
gl getting your bis forever trinket then (you're never gonna get it with those loot rules)
@@mythni1826 I didn't say it was best for me did I? Any non-retail dipwad knows that since the game has actual challenges you need to prioritize loot properly. Good luck with your DKP or open rolls. Have fun not progressing.
Ashkandi should have been on this list i knew a guild back in the day that the hunter guild leader the first one to drop im sure there was salt for days
Was it on Warsong? Avatar? It’s amazing. He was known for being the greediest POS. He got efamous as the only guy with rivendares sword. Then he got Ashkandi and even got that AQ40 Twin Emp 2H Sword. He made his guild let him tank Nefarian too as a hunter. I found out years later he was SERENNIA! My jaw dropped. serennia was known in tbc and wotlk as the biggest scumbag ever and then to find out he was vanillas biggest scumbag too it was a mind fuck.
SKARM is amazing and a gentleman of the genre!
imagine basing loot priority for a raid that can be done once a week and is faceroll with or without that loot anyways.
Cloth head from Nel Will cause some serius drama.... Atleast in my guild
You forgot Ashkandi ... Hunters vs pvp warriors ?
Im going to get me nelth tear as an ele shaman, il steal it if i have to xD Brings me to pvp hit cap from 1 item (the rest of the gear should be all crit pmuch). Pass on lokamir tho, il be rank 14 by then, already 11/14 :D And crit on the hwl dagger > any aq/bwl item. Might even keep it over naxxaramas's end of dreams.
we lost 3 rogues when our first Perdition's went to one of the lootcouncillors.. i dont think we'll survive BWL now
sounds like a shit guild that deserves to die
Maybe lose loot council instead.
question is, did that LC member deserve it and what class was he ... for example if it went to your guild maintank the DPS whore need to STFU or never ever again complain they cant go all out because tank doesnt have aggro to keep up with them ...
and yes LC is just asking for guild disbanding over loot drama, even as flawed as it is DKP is much better because its nearly drama free unless your raid leader assigns loot bid privileges to someone who shouldnt have them (for example in my guild bid prio on Head of Onyxia is melee+hunters only, all caster classes will have to wait theyr turn after them)
everything is MASSIVE
Staff of the Shadow Flame tho...
We solved neltharion's tear by making it prio for warlocks, and making the Talisman from MC prio for mages. Reasoning being is that mages get a really good class trinket with BWL release, while warlocks don't and are stuck with 6% less hit rating than mages. We only have Mages and Warlocks in our raid group as casters, no spriests, balance nor elementals. Sure is nice to be able to avoid the drama of the tear.
if you dont have at least one Spriest in raidgroup then your Warlocks must do reall REALLY shit dps ... therefore wasting BiS prio item on them over Mage is idiotic ... you just wasted item that could boost your useful DPS class and gave it to one that is crap with or without it ...
The tier argument is a good argument.
still better than hunting for warforged!
As a hunter I've accepted that I'm not gonna get dft or like anything that isnt class. I'll get yelled at if I even say I want something
This is classic, you don't need to min/max gearing people to clear the content, the content is easy as piss.
You don't, but at the end of the day you're still going to have to find reasons why said item should go to person x instead of y when your guild has loot council, regardless of how easy the content is.
you can say its easy - and I agree, but you can't overlook just how many raidguilds are not able to clear mc. And in bwl the first 3 bosses have already more mechanics than 90% of the mc bosses.
@@Ras548 Most people are awful at the game but I don't really judge the game on how some struggle to clear MC and it's not because of gear.
@Brian Naxx is not hard by today's standards, the only thing you might min/max is giving tanks gear but otherwise people will meet the checks with gear from the previous tier.
@@DriftNick How exactly is it not hard? Yes the mechanics are not as hard as something in retail, but you also have a LOT less survivability and flexibility
"Tanks will argue DFT is good for them" It is. 2% hit alone is a good enough reason why. This + LHH + Onslaught and your hit is fixed up.
Having DFT literally means you can tank with one of the best balanced items, Helm of Endless Rage.
Drake Fang Talisman
Band of Accuria
Don Julio's Band
Onyxia Tooth Pendant
GAME. SET. MATCH.
You can then give your DPS Onslaught first.
@@thegamemattster that's only 6%
@@hxwow I'm imagining that your tank is playing the proper race or using Dagger Gloves/Edgemasters to provide you with the Weapon Skill to give you effective 3% on bosses. Now you only need 6% from other sources, which are listed above. If both those scenarios are not true, then you are taking so much gear away from your raid that would have been avoided at the Character Select screen or Auction House.
Now you can make your DPS happy and give them
Onslaught earlier, Chromatic Boots ASAP, Nefarian Heads(Master Dragonslayer if they want it), Quick Strike Rings, etc.
You sound so Brazilian. Am I right?
i wonder if he likes rogues
Human or orc dps warriors may not need DFT because weapon skill already gives so much extra hit unlike on private servers (So stick with Blackhand's Breadth!). Troll warriors with UTB would love the trinket though.
I doubt that + 5 weapon skill gives + 24 to hit. Mjury Christmas .. haha
Neltharion's Tear? More like Warlock Tears
why you say that?
@@lilUZI080 warlock is the most hit starved caster in classic. Mages have hit in their talents, warlocks dont.
U also need two warlocks as tanks, so having two locks have this item is pretty important
Ok..."hissy fit" and "giant hardon" got the sub immediately. Great vid :)
If you are in a guild who gives nelth's tear to a shadow priest. U must immediately leave the guild unless u r that shadow priest.
If I’m a warlock to be honest I’d be fine letting others get cabal over me. Tier 2 shoulders looks oh so sweet. But then again I’m a warrior so what do I know hahah. Im surprised that Ashkandi isn’t on here. For pvp that item is legendary.
AL? No more BROTHER after AL!
They'll be drama before a guild even enters BWL.
1) I often argued as a hunter "fine, don't award me plus hit gear. Just don't be mad when a traq shot on chromag misses and his frenzy wipes the raid." 2) I often topped the damage meters in blackwing lair using the epic class hunter bow and a mix of tier 1 and 2 gear on my troll hunter. Still don't think I ever got Prestor's. I think I'd feel guilty taking it from a rogue.
Mostly because hunters didn't get benefit from plus hit over 5% and rogues could use plus hit all the way up to 15% (iirc). So hunters were typically at their hit cap by the time they get to BWL and rogues likely can never get to their hit cap in classic.