Bricky! Man, this one is already bring the 40k fans out in force. Big thanks to you, Brother! I picked up 40k again in quarantine, and your Every 40k Faction video was my starting point. Great work. Great storytelling. You really helped me get caught up and back into the hobby.
This is the first time I've ever agreed with Jay and disagreed with Mike. I'm not even a horror movie fan - but I can recognize and appreciate an awesome Space Hell movie for what it is.
Anderson's illustrious career of terrible movies implies the directors cut would have been the same badly edited, scripted, paced, scored, lit, nonsensical garbage but with a longer running time. He's one of those incorrigible directors who somehow keeps getting work because some of his trash actually turned a profit.
@@mellowyello1478 I remember watching those movies as trash movies so I was actually hype for the last one I think. (The one where they are stuck on the roof of a prison or something?) But they somehow took it extremely seriously and that's where I lost my "cheesy boner" for the series
@@mellowyello1478 honestly, it's RE2 that I like as a "so bad it's actually good" movie. The first one was just kind of boring, but I definitely remember it well because it was my first "up past midnight watching an R rated movie without your parents knowing" movie.
Most of the deleted/lost footage is more back story to the characters which would have made the audience care a bit more when they get devoured by the ship.
11:57 - Weir wasn't on the maiden voyage of the Event Horizon. The reason he's crazy is because he's based his entire existence around this ship and got absolutely nothing in return for it. The world thinks it blew up on its maiden voyage, making it "one of the worst disasters in space history" which ruined his career. And his obsession over his work directly led to his wife's suicide, which he blames himself for. He has nothing left... until the ship returns and hints that he can be with Claire again "forever". That's why he's home!
I was scrolling down to see if anyone would argue against the absurd assumption that Weir was in the disastrous maiden voyage, and was like, "heyyy I recognize this name"! From Aesthetic Perfection. Nice. As for Weir, while I agree with you, I wonder if there was supposed to be some connection between the fact Claire committed suicide (considered an unforgivable sin) and Weir's possible hidden motives - maybe believing his wife was in Hell he designed the ship to try and reach her there? Maybe the maiden voyage was actually - unbeknownst to the crew - a test, and that's why he wasn't there? Perhaps also a reason for the ship design itself, as a place where a religious ritual should happen or something. I'm sorry if I'm saying something dumb -I watched the movie for the very first time just a few days ago and I'm still digesting it, so to speak!
@@Bloodyshinta1 well, that's disappointing. They did achieve an interesting aesthetic, however, it's a shame it doesn't have any deeper meaning. But thanks for the info anyway!
@@whatyoudo9773 I think lawrences fishburnes chair being wierd is probably the most baffling complaint about this movie or any movie, that ive ever heard
I think it was just an homage to Alien that wasn’t executed very well, i mean jesus those production designs are so unfitted for the whole gothic church/hellish torture chamber design of the rest of the space ship
@@AntLeonardi01 I thinks it's funny just because of how jarringly realistic it is. There's no "hey gang let's split up or investigate" it's just like "well what's say we skedaddle the fuck outta here and never look back"
The theme is GUILT. Sam Neil isn’t a Devil worshipper. He is driven mad by the guilt of his wife committing suicide while he was too busy working on creating the ship. Every person on the ship has to face their guilt. 90’s, yes, entertaining, yes.
Love how they see the video of the Event Horizon crew losing their minds and immediately Fishburne’s character goes “we’re leaving”. Refreshing to see a horror movie where they make a realistic decision, like, fuck that we’re not staying in this hellhole any longer than we have to
The fact that it succeeds as a comedic line means it unfortunately fails in this movie in the way the movie is constructed. As Mike and Jay point out every moment of comedy undercuts the premise.
Mike, actually lightning CAN occur in space. Nebula are large clouds of dust and other particulates. The particles can become charged and large electrical discharges can occur within huge nebulae out in the vastness of space. There is no requirement for an atmosphere in order for lightning to be formed.
Mike doesn't know anything about science, he repairs VCR's for a living and he can never seem to get them working so obviously space physics is beyond his comprehension, they should have asked Scientist Man for HIS opinion on that 🙄
The "I am home" comment doesn't imply Weir (Sam Neill) was on the maiden voyage. He was deeply involved in the ship's construction, which is why they brought him in the first place.
Yes, exactly. He was definitely corrupted by the ship when he got on it, because the entity or whatever you'd like to call it finds a weak point, a vulnerability in your psyche, and preys on it.
Always saw it as in he can be with his wife again, and there are other plausible explanations: never crossed my mind he already gone through the black hole. Too convoluted.
I mean, designs of some factories, spaceship, reactor, dams and the atmosphere they give off are simply creepy. Especially when turned off or when not in motion. I'm not trying to give a definite answer. But creepy spaceship, Sam Neil dialogs can be looked at as coincidental. Except for the latin inscriptions in the spaceship part though.
Right. This is one of those movies that more literal-minded people just don't get. I.e., "I don't understand. Why they did design the ship to look like a medieval torture device?"
You guys were way off with Sam's character. He built the ship, it's his baby, which is why he calls it home. Wife killed herself because he spent to much time working on the ship, he never even hinted towards rezzing her. He just felt massive guilt. Ship plays on your worst fears, that's all.
This is basically the same thing I was going to say. The ship picked up some kind of malevolent force when it went to (for all intents and purposes) hell, and brought it back with it when it returned. That force seems to kind of lurch around the ship looking for a host, exposing people to their worst fears, and finding its designer to be the most suitable host.
@@DarkHelm78 It would preferably have to be CGI, or at least mostly. That or someone competent like Peter Jackson would have to fiddle around with forced perspective to do justice to space marines etc, and someone like Guillermo del Toro to design practical effects and monster stuff. It would also have to be R rated, so yeah, it most likely won't happen unless someone picks it up as a passion project. It would be really expensive to make, with a very limited target audience which is further limited by the R rating. Basically, it's almost guaranteed to lose money which means it won't happen. And that's the scenario where the movie turns out good. But who knows, maybe Elon Musk or Jeff Bezos likes WH40K...
Did we? Big Dead space fan but the team was inspired by Resident Evil 4, The Thing and a sequel to system shock which was initially the planned game I don't see the connection
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As someone who loves sci-fi and cosmic horror, I think he's right. The concept is really cool but it's just executed terribly with regards to direction and story, it all just devolves into actors punching each other and other dumb action schlocky things like explosions instead of delving into the true horror of if a portal to a hell dimension was opened and what that would do to the mind.
I always interpreted Sam Neil's character as having put his whole life into the warp drive, to the point where is wife felt so alone she ended up killing herself. The emotional trauma of that makes him even more attached to his creation, and both these things make him more susceptible to Hellraiser Dimmension™ influence
'The crew gradually form a plan, and attempt to lure the alien into the going-out-in-space-room. But it is far too intelligent to be caught in such an obvious trap, and spends most of the afternoon lurking in the conservatory'
Yeah, I remember seeing an interview with producer Jeremy Bolt years ago where he said the studio was pretty much fighting with them the whole production. Making things really difficult for them to do their jobs the way they needed to.
@@aBoogivogi I bet when the estimated price was presented, everybody in the conference room looked at that bill like it was a piece of poop on the table.
@@aBoogivogi not really cause they would the original soundtrack, original foley voice screams from the actors, either liscence new sound effects or hire a foley guy to make new sound effects, then a new sound mixer
Have you rewatched it lately the shitty computer effects looks terrible, sound effects makes you laugh and Sam Neil's complete detachment from reality makes no sense
Sam made the ship. Sam neglected his wife while obsessing about the ship. She killed herself, the ship preys on his guilt and his need for the ship to have been 'worth it'.
I need the longer uncut version. Lovecraftian material is hard to pull off but I still love it. Sam did this and In The Mouth of Madness close together and make for a great double feature.
You can see most of what was cut on CZcams in low rez form. Very little of the blood orgy or visions from hell was actually cut. Most of what was cut were character related scenes and a few short moments early on. The gore being cut has been greatly overexagertated.
My read on Sam Neil's character is that he was never able to get past his wife's suicide, and, just like everyone else, the ship preyed on his trauma. The difference though is that he embraced it and let it twist him into a monster. I don't think the implication was that he was originally on the ship. "I am home" is not literal.
Yeah I figured the ship was already calling to him with space magic from the get go. He had those visions of his wife. It used him to lay a trap to everyone.
My understanding is that the creators of Event Horizon were huge 40K fans; the script was intended as a part of the WH40K timeline but they failed to secure the rights from Games Workshop. The ship looks like a cathedral because that's how Imperial ships look, lots of religious imagery in 40k. Also in 40k FTL travel requires a ship passing through the "Warp" aka "realm of Chaos" which is basically Hell. If the shields fail, the ship could be attacked by demons, who live in the warp. The Latin, The roman numerals, the Gothic architecture, all of it because 40k.
It wasn't a Demon speaking Latin it was the ship's captain, even though he was posesed or whatever at the time. It was established, in the ship's log, that the captain could speak Latin as he gives an address in Latin prior to them activating the gravity drive.
I picked up the vhs of this movie laying around at an uncle's house when i was about 12 years old. Movie freaking traumatized me and I was afraid of going to sleep with the lights off for weeks.
I love that Mike explains warp drive using Star Trek logic. I was waiting for someone to come in and say "Mike, let me tell you about Warhammer 40k warp travel..."
@@mabusestestament they rip a hole through hell and fly through it, using a tortured psychic to navigate and generate an energy shield that prevents demons from getting inside (most of the time) Even if you make it through, its entirely possible that you didn't quite end up 'where' or 'when' you intended
@@mabusestestament Doshka17 explained it pretty well. You travel through an immaterial hell protected by a "reality bubble" called a Gellar Field. If it fails, the ship and its crew get infested by the demons which live there.... Or just get torn to pieces.... Or sexed and tortured for eternity.... Depends on the type of demon that finds you first.
Not gonna lie, this was probably the first horror movie I watched that actually grabbed my attention and kept me interested. Oh, and as for Sam Neal’s character (Dr. Weir), he was never on the ship when it transited through the “hellverse”, but he was the chief designer and the black hole drive was essentially his brainchild.
yeah he was Heywood Floyd from 2010. He designed all the stuff in 2001 but didn't actually get onto that ship. Arthur C Clarke thought Floyd deserved better so made him the protagonist of the sequel (which was shit).
I genuinely do love Mortal Kombat. To this day it still holds the high score on the video game adaptation film scoreboard(As low as that can be). It has fun action, an awesome soundtrack and several pitch perfect casting choices.
@@ZachFett RLM are so full of shit at times. MK is a bad movie, but it is relatively well done for a garbage movie. It's the same thing with the super mario movie, I was 30 when I first so it, zero nostalgia and I liked it for what it is. Very very creative...
I recently re-watched it and was surprised at how good the visuals are (well, sans the Reptile CGI). Every setting has a sort of creepy, decayed look to it that adds to the atmosphere. Also, the actors who played Kano and Johnny Cage were fantastic.
Yeah, this exactly. He may have been on the ship, but only prior to its voyage. Although I don’t remember if they mention whether he intentionally designed it to “fail” or not.
@@billbadson7598 Weir absolutely did not design the drive to fail, he was a true believer. His wife's recent suicide was exploited by the corrupted ship to make him sabotage the Lewis And Clarke crew.
A spaceship orbiting a foggy planet. Crew in distress, personality changed. A rescue crew. Hallucinations. A supernatural being/world playing with people's fears, and an ending where we are not sure if anyone won. It's got so much similarities with *Solaris*.
Well... Solaris (the book, anyway - none of the films quite lived up to it) is a pretty deep reflection on the impossibility of communication and true understanding between vastly different forms of intelligence (there's no "playing with people's fears" - Solaris actually tries to satisfy people's _desires,_ it just doesn't understand humans, it's like zoologists playing animal noises back to them), while this is basically a flying medieval dungeon with buckets of blood and things that go boom. Edit: Also, while Lem did write a lot of (deliberately) very silly sci-fi, Solaris was one of his more "serious" books (he did know his physics and orbital mechanics), and nearly all the actual "space stuff" in Event Horizon is just nonsense.
@@RFC-3514 Not really. Most of what Event Horizon postulates about space travel is fairly accurate. Using gravity couches and stasis to overcome extreme g-forces, having limited oxygen, relying on CO2 scrubbers. Using Neptune's atmosphere as an analogue for a stormy night... Justin's over the top blood geyer when exposed to the vacuum isn't remotely accurate, but i'm not seeing "nonsense."
Gotta note, the Earth scientists knew the recording was Latin. They thought it was "Liberate me" (save me). They got the actual recording from the ship itself. It was impossible to get the actual phrase (Liberate tute me ex infernis, save yourselves from Hell) until they got to the ship. Also, the captain, not the demon, was speaking Latin. Why? He was a Latin aficionado. They showed him toasting the crew in Latin before they warped.
@@anothercleverusername992 I doubt it's literally the Christian hell but just some fucked up alternate dimension that could be described as Hellish. Doubt the entities there would be speak an ancient European language.
if you decouple a train, friction will slow down the engineless part and quickly separate the train cars. in space if you decouple the ship all the ship parts will just keep going. an explosion will push the different parts in different directions
I would like to remind everyone: John Carpenter's The Thing was both panned by critics and wasn't a box office hit when it originally came out, yet nowadays it is a Cult classic, and widely praised for its performances, oppressive paranoid atmosphere, minimalist music that fits the movie so well, and stunning special effects. Event Horizon is vindicated by history in the same manner.
@@steviegbcool nope... have you seen the horrible crap horror film made in the past decade?!? I ❤ The Thing with Kurt's sexy beard and bleak ending and Event Horizon was creepy enough to make me uncomfortable 😬 which is what good horror should do. Not be basic ass found footage films that are cheap and not scary!!!!
@@steviegbcool Idk man, I dont think its vindicated either, it has some serious issues with it, but at the same time, its a lot more interesting and enjoyable than a LOT of the horror genre, one of the least clever, most typecast, and boring genre's of film. There are SOOO many of them and most of them rely heavily on sound design, gore, revulsion and nonsense to be considered good. I can't say Event Horizon's attributes outweigh its flaws, but at least it isn't lame, its premise is interesting enough that I'm not just screaming at the screen the entire time for the characters to get the fuck outta there. It takes itself seriously, with a sort of military setting that also worked for Predator, even though it doesn't deliver on its characters and moments nearly as well. At least its not "The Purge" or some absolutely banal trash, people say Event Horizon doesn't make sense while the same critics and audiences are orgasming over that unrealistic stinker.
The best part of this video is how all of Mike’s suggestions for improving this movie (“Put a kid in there!”) sound exactly like how Hollywood studio executives see a film they don’t understand and ruin it by incorporating plot points and characters from other movies you’ve seen.
Yeah, I feel like this is one of those movies that Mike made a conscious decision not to 'get' because he had a fundamental problem with the premise. After all, Mike's a pretty big Star Trek fan, he likes his science fiction. Blending horror and science fiction together is probably something that just doesn't sit right with him from the very start.
yeah but he's spit-balling, not orchestrating. He gives a simple suggestion on how to fix a gap in the text and expects the writer to come up with a way better way of fixing that gap, because that's what writers are good at. I'm not going to pretend everything Mike recommends would make the film better, but I also don't expect a critic to go out of his way to rewrite the entire script of a movie to implant the nuanced emotional core it needs.
@@tetryst I don't doubt that he didn't put a lot of thought into it. They're still bad ideas that would have made this movie immeasurably worse and less memorable had they been implemented. The issue is not that there is a legitimate gap in the text, it's that the movie is not for Mike. That doesn't mean his personal issues are objective, valid criticism.
Possibly my favorite guilty pleasure, sometimes I even want to say its genuinely good. The fact that the movie is a total mess adds so much to the messines of the situation the characters are in. I enjoy it sometimes ironically, sometimes unironically.
@@Simon-yp7rv I wouldn’t say it’s a bad movie tho. It’s a messy movie with decent story idea. Like Jay said this is one of those movies that needs a remake with better writing.
Mike: *explains the intricacies of FTL travel and how its represented in all these different Sci-Fi franchises* Also Mike: *calls an Airlock the “going out into space room”*
Well, he does compare it to Star Trek Enterprise from Star Wars. ...which is incorrect, because as sci-fi FTL travel goes, Startrek Enterprise from the Star Wars franchise is the polar opposite of the SS Event Horizon from the film Event Horizon
i found that kind of baffling too. maybe they filmed that part after having a few too many beers. or maybe his brain stopped caring since he didn't like this movie at all.
@@666FallenShadow Honestly just seemed like one of the things he says for Comedy because it's cringe and makes nerds upset on the internet. Pretty sure mixing and matching the two is one of his go to jokes.
"Why is the demon speaking Latin?" It was the captain of the ship speaking Latin. They show another recording of him giving a Latin quote as they set off on the mission. Just was a language he knew.
He was speaking Latin because the dimension they reached was the Roman Catholic conceit of Hell. Watch the Critical Drinker's review. I usually like his takes, but the dude gets it completely wrong on this one.
I think there’s a GREAT movie buried deep inside the final product. A lot of the flaws Mike and Jay mentioned are legitimate, but my main problem was the pacing: it’s too quick. This should have been a much more quiet, suspenseful film and instead it feels sometimes like characters never stop talking. With a MUCH better director with the freedom to make it dark and slow, this could be a masterpiece.
Great comment. The comedic side characters are annoying, the plot holes are unavoidable but that's just surface level. This hands down goes to the core flaw of this movie. I still love this flick for what it is though
Jay said the same nonsense about Exorcist 2 and the demon "Pazuzu". It never occured to him on either occasion that the films were trying to convey that "hell" and "the devil" are actually just imperfect and cultural-specific interpretations of a greater evil that is far older than Christianity. Reducing the place that the Event Horizon visits to simply "hell" is a misunderstanding. "Hell" is just the imperfect concept that emerged when humans caught a glimpse of where the ship goes. Jay always gets this sort of thing the wrong way around, trying to force his own cultural perspective on to something broader.
Correction: Mike hates every space-themed sci-fi that isn't Star Trek. He always talks about how he likes structure, the "we need to figure this out" scenarios of smart people applying their smarts and the "down-to-Earth" sci-fi. Yet he trashed absolutely every single movie with exact that premise they've ever reviewed or mentioned, sans for Annihilation (where he still complained about the very things he supposedly likes). Hacks and frauds, indeed.
True story: My dad used to work in a mental hospital for teens with various learning difficulties and behavioural problems. He and a few of the other staff organised a trip to take them to the cinema and picked Event Horizon, thinking for some reason that it would be a fun sci-fi film like Star Wars. My dad doesn't work at the mental hospital any more.
@@dallesamllhals9161 to be fair, it is a fairly misleading/misdirecting trailer. It does like a sci-fi action adventure with some Aliens elements, not just a straight up horror film
I think Paul Thomas Anderson made Punch Drunk Love to show that he can make a better movie with Adam Sandler as the lead actor than any Paul WS Anderson film
I love at the end where Jay says that it's kind of fun sometimes to "go back and revisit something and see ..." Yeah. Almost like you're watching something again. Almost like you're re-viewing it. These boys are so special.
Sam Neill's character designed the Event Horizon. He was never onboard the ship when it went on it's maiden voyage. Sam Neill's character is very similar to Jack Torrance in The Shining, except that his wife committed suicide - so he felt guilty for her death. The captain of the Event Horizon knew Latin. He said "Ave, atque, vale" (Hail and farewell) before they engaged the warp engine - hence, why he said "Liberatis tutemet" (Save yourself) during the blood orgy scene in the final video log.
He's not speaking Latin because he's possessed. They show the captain, before the event, speaking Latin to the camera made by the crew. The old captain knows Latin.
Jesus. Thank you. I'm listening to them like 'did you even watch the fucking movie'? Right before they jump, Captain is making the ship's log and says "Ave Atque Vale - Hail and farewell". Cause smart people like starship captains know latin. Whatever. The guy in the video is the mutilated captain. It's not brain rocketry.
@@stewmott3763 Maybe, but either way, the movie establishes the captain speaks Latin prior to the jump. Smart guys speaking Latin is just a general trope.
That engine seems to be undoubtedly a reference to "Ezekiel's Wheel." Even including eye-like circles all over it. What's funny though is the actual biblical depiction is nothing like the artist renderings of it. He's basically describing a table with wheels -- a throne chariot. That throne chariot itself being a symbol of the skies; the stars being the "eyes" and the four animal faces corresponding to the ancient zodiac.
Tarkovsky's Solaris (not Soderbergh's remake) is a much scarier film, as the contrast between the benign spaceship design filled with hallucinations works.
@@justwatching1980 you meant boredomer? want scary? watch tarkovsky outtakes where that idiot just tortures enemies between scenes of actually shooting his bullshit unmovies
solaris is a book also the author of that book hates that hack maybe not as much as the remake, he was quite vague in calling them apples and oranges of shit
At the time Mortal Kombat was a groundbreaking film the way it relied so heavily on cg. That stuff was cool as hell and heralded a new era of filmmaking. Not that it was good lol
It's 2/3's great, and 1/3 kinda dumb. I agree with everything they say about Cooper, and the final act's sound mixing. If they cut out some of Cooper's ham (and killed him when the Clarke blew up), and fixed the sound mix, that would significantly improve the ending.
Just seen this movie for the first time. I'd watched this re:view when it was uploaded and without remembering Jay saying he thinks the movie could serve to be remade, I found myself thinking as the credits rolled "man, I really wish this had been made 10, 20 years earlier on almost no budget, or had been made in the last couple years". I totally agree with Jay that the concept is really very appealing and I also love the production design throughout the movie. It's honestly frustrating all the little mistakes that were made that come together to make the movie so ineffective because there really was a lot going for it and I wish I could see the alternate hell dimension where this movie was as good as it could have been.
They kinda did, Dead Space is MOSTLY the exact same premise, just done better in every way, and it really shows off how good this movie could have been if the script writers had another few weeks of editting and shooting to make it less jarring and tacky, which was 90% of the problems, the scenes were sometimes really good but other times ran like a roller coaster with speed bumps.
Man, I never interpreted Sam Neil's character as having been onboard the maiden voyage of the Event Horizon. The movie makes it clear it disappeared on the maiden voyage through the foldspace while the doctor was back on Earth. He's a touch mad at the start of the movie because of the suicide of his wife while he was a workaholic, amplified by the knowledge that all his hard work led to something strange happened to the ship and its crew. Doubly whammy of survivor's guilt... but I do have to say that it is an intriguing idea if he was secretly a survivor of the maiden voyage and was sent back unconsciously to lure more victims... but somehow I suspect that would be one ball of cheese too many.
We all know Mike would hate 40k or atleast suggest we go back to rogue trader days of everything being stupidly funny but not being condusive to books or narratives
Yeah. He literally says 'I built it' Then one of em says 'I can see why they sent YOU' He wanted the ship, his life's work, back. Especially given what it cost him. And the ship exploited the trauma of his wife's suicide (and that he pretty much caused it, indirectly) and used that to GET him. So by thr end, the ship has possessed him but it kinda backdoored in so he's more with it than Justin. All of this is pretty obvious if you just, y'know, WATCH THE MOVIE. They're funny as hell, but sometimes I wonder if these guys intentionally gloss over shit like this expressly for comedic purposes.
It was great to hear your different takes on the movie. It's always been a favorite of mine, and I would be interested to see a reboot (done properly). The original atmosphere and design of the scenery and costumes really lend to the movie's flavor, along with the practical effects. I think it would be challenging for a reboot to tackle this aspect.
Event Horizon is by far my fav horror movie. I love the actors, the setting, the ship which they actually built, and the fact that the force they are fighting is so unimaginably evil. Us hardcore know about the evil salt mine but there was no guarantee it would make the movie better.
The reason the Latin phrase is in there is because the captain of the event horizon speaks Latin in the pre-crazy log when they are setting off on the mission. Sets him up as the kind of grand-thinking guy who likes to drop Latin into everyday situations. That was a set up and pay off mike, pay attention!
It's one thing to not like a film or even hate it (that's everyone's prerogative) but for people so experienced in film criticism, there were a lot of things in this video that were just lazy by both of them given the film spells things out quite clearly. It's not trying to go out of its way to trick the viewer.
@@shan4680 yeah, I feel the word “perfunctory” tends to apply to some recent videos. Like something came across his desk and he was like “event horizon?! Fuck it!” Hack frauds etc ;) Even so, was a fun time.
@@shan4680 and I would say that's fine if they didn't present their subjective reaction to movies as objective truth. Like at the beginning, Jay goes on about how Mortal Kombat was terrible, how people only like it because of nostalgia, and that it's okay to not like something now that you liked as a kid. Yes, and it's also okay for other people to think a movie is good when you think it's bad. This is why Rich is my favorite. Zero pretention or film student energy.
@@janeeyre1990 also when they talk about the "dated techno music" when it's Prodigy. I know he wanted to make a parralel to the Mortal Kombat theme but it's like saying using Limp Bizkit at the end of your movie it's the same as using Deep Purple because both are rock/metal bands.
Worth mentioning that the Captain of the Event Horizon speaks Latin when the ship is being launched, so they set up he spoke Latin. Unfortunately we can't fire anyone for that blunder.
@@whywhy8324 He is talking about the original Captain of the Event Horizon. He is shown in a video before the Event Horizon take off and he said something in latin (and I think the movie also implies he was a religious man), that's why he talks latin in the blood orgy video later on. This whole Re:View episode gave me WW1984 vibes. It seems they missed a few things.
@@alanpennie8013 Sure, they probably first thought about the spooky Latin phrase and then justified it. But is not a "demon from another dimension speaking Latin for no reason" like they tried to imply.
Uh.. What? Event Horizon was aiming to be a serious horror film. It was trying to be The Shining or The Haunting in space (From the director's own mouth.)
I mean i have to agree with the replies here, Event Horizon OBVIOUSLY took itself very seriously in its writing and shooting. Unfortunately it suffers pretty heavily from the "Big Production Studio" effect, where it looks like each scene was decided upon by commitee, so they often feel like totally different genres and have stark differences in quality and attention. Side cast was given too much time and were boring, main cast weren't developed enough to get invested in. Dr Weir was the closest to being a rounded character then gets suddenly and awkwardly shuffled out of the cast mid-movie. Shit like this which looks like it was some kind of fight between the director, actors, writers and cinamatographers all trying to compromise on what they thought would be good to include in their limited time. Which is why everyone pretty much universally agrees this woulda been a better TV show, because CLEARLY there were too many cooks in the kitchen for a 2 hour runtime, and it just ended with the audience getting 2 potato chips, one bite of pie, the bottom half of a cake, one leaf of lettuce and 5 peas, instead of a whole meal. It also explains why some people loved it and some people hated it with very little in between. If you're the kind of person who likes to fill in the blanks with your imagination in your media, this was probably a fun movie. If you're the kind of person who actually wants to get invested in your characters and plot, this movie was probably an awful shitshow. I think a TV show would have solved this, since all the characters would have got their time, the scenes would make more sense, and it would be much less rushed, plus you'd be more invested in the actual drama because you'd have more time to think about whats going on, instead of just having suspend your disbelief and going along with the nonsense rollercoaster. It wouldn't have been AMAZING, I think a lot of the characters needed a fundamental rework, and it needed a few more interesting elements, but I think as like, maybe a 10-episode Netflix style show, it would probably have been very very good.
Every time i see the engine and the core, i can see how amazingly creative it is, how terrifying it is and yet i always have to ask “Why the hell did they build it like that?”
if you're just looking at the design in isolation, you can be like "Hey, Gothic madhouse aesthetic -nice!". but if you question for a second why the ship actually looks the way it does... it's not outrageous, it's just stupid. and not fun stupid.
I like Event Horizon. it was one of those movies that came out around those years when these kinds of things were popular, like 13 ghosts, and Ghostship, and Final Destination 1 and 2, and The Faculty. all movies i loved back then as a teenager man.
Something that I think is So underrated. I love how they edit these videos. How they fade to black, put an ad, then fade back... that alone makes it better edited than most everything on CZcams. But the editing is also pretty on point for everything.
Yup, it's me, the guy who loved Event Horizon and weeps for the loss of the deleted footage. Genuinely, this is one of my favourite horror movies. Is it a masterpiece in tension like The Shining or The Thing? No. Does it have an amazingly-written script? No. Is it 90-odd minutes of cheap fun and surprisingly inventive gore? Hell yes. And when I need something like that and don't feel like a slasher movie, I usually wind up reaching for this.
Event Horizon has many elements that could be improved. It is IMO a very flawed movie. That said, it is also one of the few movies that actually scares me a bit, even though I've seen it six times or more. Plus, I actually enjoy it more now than I did the first time as I know what I'm in for with EH. The first time I was expecting something different and was slightly disappointed.
Hey nothing wrong with that. I also really like it equally for the parts that work and the parts that are just schlock. It's really rare to find a movie with this kind of balance of good ideas AND so bad they're good ideas.
Ah yes, my favorite Warhammer 40k movie
Bricky! Man, this one is already bring the 40k fans out in force. Big thanks to you, Brother! I picked up 40k again in quarantine, and your Every 40k Faction video was my starting point. Great work. Great storytelling. You really helped me get caught up and back into the hobby.
It’s weird how much more the movie makes sense in the 40k universe
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Ah yes the only reason talk about this movie anymore
I wanna see Star Trek and Godzilla in the warp too. They are part of the canon!
This video really is just 40 minutes of Jay going "I like x about this film" and Mike going "no".
This is the first time I've ever agreed with Jay and disagreed with Mike. I'm not even a horror movie fan - but I can recognize and appreciate an awesome Space Hell movie for what it is.
@@Yusuke_Denton "for what it is" is always used in caveats, never glowing praises of anything.
Interestingly enough, Jay seemed kind of dismissive of the film back when Mike brought it up during the Interstellar HITB.
So the opposite of the Joker review where Jay said "I disliked x about this film" and Mike going 'no."
@@RoachOverlord Jay didn't like the film, he just thought it had some cool ideas that should be explored more.
Now let's be fair, there's a great character arc. See at the beginning, Sam Neill likes having eyes, but by the end, he thinks eyes are for losers.
And then he has eyes again lol
@@hankheavy it's a story full of complexity and deep, meaningful character moments
Damn never thought of it like that.
dont you seeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! it´s genius see as in eyes see ...
@@johnnordqvist6081 I never even realized that! So brilliant and multi-layered!
"Hell and spaceships don't work" Lets not tell mike about one of the most successful video game franchises in history
Grand theft auto?
@@qiff6667 Doom seems more likely in this context.
@@DarkestKNIGHTCJH the joke is that he said the wrong game
Dead Space ?
Hell and spaceships sounds like some kind of old novel that would have inspired doom
Everytime Anderson asked if he could make his director's cut of Event Horizon they let him do another Resident Evil movie as a distraction.
Anderson's illustrious career of terrible movies implies the directors cut would have been the same badly edited, scripted, paced, scored, lit, nonsensical garbage but with a longer running time. He's one of those incorrigible directors who somehow keeps getting work because some of his trash actually turned a profit.
I mean, come on, Event Horizon is much better than any of those RE movies...
@@mellowyello1478 I remember watching those movies as trash movies so I was actually hype for the last one I think. (The one where they are stuck on the roof of a prison or something?) But they somehow took it extremely seriously and that's where I lost my "cheesy boner" for the series
@@mellowyello1478 honestly, it's RE2 that I like as a "so bad it's actually good" movie. The first one was just kind of boring, but I definitely remember it well because it was my first "up past midnight watching an R rated movie without your parents knowing" movie.
Most of the deleted/lost footage is more back story to the characters which would have made the audience care a bit more when they get devoured by the ship.
You know, Sam Neill has so many dreams in this movie, I kept expecting a talking raptor to show up.
Alan!
This a nod to Jurassic park 3 when this actually happened?
Clever girl
Alan!!!!
A nod to that scene in JP3 would've been the scariest scene of all
11:57 - Weir wasn't on the maiden voyage of the Event Horizon. The reason he's crazy is because he's based his entire existence around this ship and got absolutely nothing in return for it. The world thinks it blew up on its maiden voyage, making it "one of the worst disasters in space history" which ruined his career. And his obsession over his work directly led to his wife's suicide, which he blames himself for. He has nothing left... until the ship returns and hints that he can be with Claire again "forever". That's why he's home!
In case it wasn't blatantly obvious, I love Event Horizon and have seen it, not even joking, at least 100 times.
I was scrolling down to see if anyone would argue against the absurd assumption that Weir was in the disastrous maiden voyage, and was like, "heyyy I recognize this name"! From Aesthetic Perfection. Nice.
As for Weir, while I agree with you, I wonder if there was supposed to be some connection between the fact Claire committed suicide (considered an unforgivable sin) and Weir's possible hidden motives - maybe believing his wife was in Hell he designed the ship to try and reach her there? Maybe the maiden voyage was actually - unbeknownst to the crew - a test, and that's why he wasn't there? Perhaps also a reason for the ship design itself, as a place where a religious ritual should happen or something.
I'm sorry if I'm saying something dumb -I watched the movie for the very first time just a few days ago and I'm still digesting it, so to speak!
@@irineumaiden From what i've read in interviews they made the ship that way to be spooky, no deeper context lmfao.
@@Bloodyshinta1 well, that's disappointing. They did achieve an interesting aesthetic, however, it's a shame it doesn't have any deeper meaning. But thanks for the info anyway!
@@irineumaiden Canon is whatever the audience wants anyway.
Traveling to hell to re-unite with your partner sounds like a good horror plot.
I can't believe they didn't once mention Lawrence Fishburne's adorably hilarious swivel chair that just dangles from the ceiling.
That's actually what you want, vibration can kill you.
i tried to watch this recently, the captains "baby-chair" was my first clue this was crap....didnt make it much further than that
@@whatyoudo9773 I think lawrences fishburnes chair being wierd is probably the most baffling complaint about this movie or any movie, that ive ever heard
@@ThePatank whelp...what we know so far is that you are baffled
I think it was just an homage to Alien that wasn’t executed very well, i mean jesus those production designs are so unfitted for the whole gothic church/hellish torture chamber design of the rest of the space ship
I've never seen a more realistic horror movie reaction than the "We're leaving" line
It’s the best part of the movie
The entire movie's existence is justified by that line alone.
Gold
No matter how many times i watch it, that line doesn't come off as funny to me. It's a very rational response.
@@AntLeonardi01 I thinks it's funny just because of how jarringly realistic it is. There's no "hey gang let's split up or investigate" it's just like "well what's say we skedaddle the fuck outta here and never look back"
Finally, Jay is talking to Mike about a space movie, and it’s as far from Star Trek as it is possible to be.
And in usual Mike fashion, he hates it.
ST: Nemesis is as dark and miserable.
I'd love to see them talk about the film 'Contact'
When mike mentioned Star Trek in 8:00 I DIED
Let me guess... it's sci-fi but not Star Trek. So Mike hates it?
The theme is GUILT. Sam Neil isn’t a Devil worshipper. He is driven mad by the guilt of his wife committing suicide while he was too busy working on creating the ship. Every person on the ship has to face their guilt. 90’s, yes, entertaining, yes.
he was already on the edge; the ship just nudged him over.
I felt guilty making my friends watch this last night
@@steviegbcool
Did you go to a hellish dimension ?
@@navylaks2 no but i guess it would forced to watch Event horizon on loop
No, it's the Chaos affecting him. Even the portal is shaped like Chaos Unleashed (the icon)
“FUCK THIS SHIP!” Fishburne delivered that line perfectly.
He's great,
from Apocalypse Now in 79 to the Hannibal TV series in 2014 - LF always does a great job! 👍
He meant ''Fuck this script'' they just left it in lol still love this movie. The Prodigy song at the end is epic.
My suspension of disbelief was solidified by Larry's line deliverance there.
Love how they see the video of the Event Horizon crew losing their minds and immediately Fishburne’s character goes “we’re leaving”. Refreshing to see a horror movie where they make a realistic decision, like, fuck that we’re not staying in this hellhole any longer than we have to
comedic and realistic, good scene
I also love that the one guy who understands Latin is a doctor, which actually makes perfect sense.
That was his Ripley moment. No you are not bringing him onto the ship.
The fact that it succeeds as a comedic line means it unfortunately fails in this movie in the way the movie is constructed. As Mike and Jay point out every moment of comedy undercuts the premise.
Definitely intentional
You could really see the regret in jay's eyes, dragging mike out to talk about a space movie only to hear about warp travel and star trek.
😐I'd be ok with watching mike ramble about space-time and singularities for about an hour.
Nothing demonstrates Mike's about something disinterest more than changing the subject to Star Trek
We need Mike doing star trek asmr, whisper about warp nacelles and make me feel naughty
Mike, actually lightning CAN occur in space. Nebula are large clouds of dust and other particulates. The particles can become charged and large electrical discharges can occur within huge nebulae out in the vastness of space. There is no requirement for an atmosphere in order for lightning to be formed.
Was just thinking that as he said it. Oh well, we don't come here for physics explanations so we'll let them off with that one.
Dude thank you for the information! That shits legit! Lol DAM SPACE YOU SCARY!
Huh, that's neat. Does it look like it does in the atmosphere?
Mike doesn't know anything about science, he repairs VCR's for a living and he can never seem to get them working so obviously space physics is beyond his comprehension, they should have asked Scientist Man for HIS opinion on that 🙄
Also they are partly in Neptune's atmosphere.
"Hell and spaceships don't work"
Meanwhile, the entire 40k lore universe and hundreds if not thousands of books
WS Anderson has literally cited 40k's Imperium and Warp as influences on this movie
@@zimriel wasn't it supposed to be a 40K movie about chaos demons but since he doesn't get the license the 40k element is changed
Reminds me of the time when Starcraft was originally going to be a wh40k rts
@@zimrielwhat
The "I am home" comment doesn't imply Weir (Sam Neill) was on the maiden voyage. He was deeply involved in the ship's construction, which is why they brought him in the first place.
Yes, exactly. He was definitely corrupted by the ship when he got on it, because the entity or whatever you'd like to call it finds a weak point, a vulnerability in your psyche, and preys on it.
Thought he even talked about being on it in earth's orbit while being built, he designed the entire thing so he feels at home.
Always saw it as in he can be with his wife again, and there are other plausible explanations: never crossed my mind he already gone through the black hole. Too convoluted.
I mean, designs of some factories, spaceship, reactor, dams and the atmosphere they give off are simply creepy.
Especially when turned off or when not in motion.
I'm not trying to give a definite answer. But creepy spaceship, Sam Neil dialogs can be looked at as coincidental.
Except for the latin inscriptions in the spaceship part though.
Right. This is one of those movies that more literal-minded people just don't get. I.e., "I don't understand. Why they did design the ship to look like a medieval torture device?"
You guys were way off with Sam's character. He built the ship, it's his baby, which is why he calls it home. Wife killed herself because he spent to much time working on the ship, he never even hinted towards rezzing her. He just felt massive guilt. Ship plays on your worst fears, that's all.
I thought that was obvious but some how Jay and Mike missed that?
Never heard their theory from literally anyone before
This is basically the same thing I was going to say. The ship picked up some kind of malevolent force when it went to (for all intents and purposes) hell, and brought it back with it when it returned. That force seems to kind of lurch around the ship looking for a host, exposing people to their worst fears, and finding its designer to be the most suitable host.
I'm usually cool with people not liking a movie i do, but since they clearly didn't understand massive parts of it, they should at least rewatch it
@@baneh1329 I thought the same lol
Jay is right on this one. The atmosphere and set design is awesome, also I love the concepts in the movie. I agree it deserves a QUALITY remake.
A sequel where they find fishburnes ship an the entity managed to get there, evil ensues
Don't
It's called Dead Space, and it's a video game.
It would be nice to see a good, full length W40K movie...
@@DarkHelm78 It would preferably have to be CGI, or at least mostly. That or someone competent like Peter Jackson would have to fiddle around with forced perspective to do justice to space marines etc, and someone like Guillermo del Toro to design practical effects and monster stuff. It would also have to be R rated, so yeah, it most likely won't happen unless someone picks it up as a passion project. It would be really expensive to make, with a very limited target audience which is further limited by the R rating. Basically, it's almost guaranteed to lose money which means it won't happen. And that's the scenario where the movie turns out good.
But who knows, maybe Elon Musk or Jeff Bezos likes WH40K...
I mean we got Dead Space out of it, so Event Horizon is alright by me
Yeah,
I guess that could count as the re-make that Jay was talking about.....They definitely did better with the material than P.T.A. did
@@zetetick395 Who is PTA?
@@NightRanger77 Agggh, I did it again! '😳'
- I meant Paul W.S. Anderson, not Paul Thomas Anderson! (A _faaar_ better director, imo)
@@zetetick395 was gonna say Paul thomas anderson would never come up with such garbo
Did we? Big Dead space fan but the team was inspired by Resident Evil 4, The Thing and a sequel to system shock which was initially the planned game I don't see the connection
"The movie would've been great, if it wasn't for the movie." -Jay Bauman
Still the best Doom movie
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As someone who loves sci-fi and cosmic horror, I think he's right. The concept is really cool but it's just executed terribly with regards to direction and story, it all just devolves into actors punching each other and other dumb action schlocky things like explosions instead of delving into the true horror of if a portal to a hell dimension was opened and what that would do to the mind.
It's not very good, but it holds up as an entertaining watch with memorable visuals.
"It's not that it's gross, it's a striking visual." -The most Jay quote ever. Thanks for sharing gentlemen!
Jay mutters this to himself while watching porn
Me, trying to convince my friends to watch Society by showing them the Butt Head.
It's stylistically designed to be that way
Add this to the ever growing list of timeless Jay quotes next to "It's borderline experimental"
I always interpreted Sam Neil's character as having put his whole life into the warp drive, to the point where is wife felt so alone she ended up killing herself. The emotional trauma of that makes him even more attached to his creation, and both these things make him more susceptible to Hellraiser Dimmension™ influence
That's exactly it. Yep.
Basically Solaris but obvious.
I just realised the warp core /black hole engine/whatever looks like depiction of biblical Thrones angels.
Thank you!
Quality comment
Shiiiit.
"Hell and spaceships just don't work."
*heavy metal music in the distance intensifies*
...and every person who has ever played Doom and/or Dead Space goes, "Wait, what?"
GamesWorkshop: Shut it down boys, hell and space doesn't work!
Hell & Space is my favorite mix. Ancient religious nonsense mixed with Science fiction. It's the best.
@@rotj4587 Literally every Noise Marine: I CAAAAAAAAAAAN'T HEEEEEEEEEEAR YOOOOOOOOOOU
A million neckbeards recoiled greasily in unison
"and then he goes in the going-out-in-space-room"
- Mike Stoklasa, science fiction fan
And after explaining to the viewer how faster than light engines work 😂
There are no airlocks in Star Trek.
Whoa there, Mike! You're getting too technical for me.
'The crew gradually form a plan, and attempt to lure the alien into the going-out-in-space-room. But it is far too intelligent to be caught in such an obvious trap, and spends most of the afternoon lurking in the conservatory'
"sorta like a warp drive"
-Mike Stoklasa, science fiction fan
Mike: "I love science fiction and interstellar travel."
Also Mike: "He goes into the room, The going into space room."
Mike is sometimes like that mom that pretends to like sports but is completely clueless.
Everyone: "Touchdown!"
That mom: "Oh, I love hockey!"
I think it's the booze and the dimentia.
Just for the record, I loved this movie at the time, but I rewatched it several years later and liked it even more.
Even after it turns into shlock around the 75% mark, "where we're going, we won't need eyes to see" is a pretty good possessed bad guy line.
Yuuup
where we're going we don't need roads
Funfact: The soundmixing is so horrible because the editor and soundmixer were given an absurdly short amount of time before release
it was like 2 weeks or something for the final cut i think?
Yeah, I remember seeing an interview with producer Jeremy Bolt years ago where he said the studio was pretty much fighting with them the whole production. Making things really difficult for them to do their jobs the way they needed to.
A thing you would think they could fix with a brand new transfer of the film :p
@@aBoogivogi I bet when the estimated price was presented, everybody in the conference room looked at that bill like it was a piece of poop on the table.
@@aBoogivogi not really cause they would the original soundtrack, original foley voice screams from the actors, either liscence new sound effects or hire a foley guy to make new sound effects, then a new sound mixer
That ‘we’re leaving’ line is a classic 😂
Event Horizon has a lot of pros
Sam Neill ✔
Laurence Fishburne ✔
Good Effects ✔
Atmospheric ✔
Its worth checking out.
Have you rewatched it lately the shitty computer effects looks terrible, sound effects makes you laugh and Sam Neil's complete detachment from reality makes no sense
@@joeschmoe3665 Ah, I didnt say it made sense. Lol
Its so bad that Mr Plinkett would stuff the film crew in a fridge filled with flesh eating cochroaches!
it's a solid horror movie. probably PWSA's best movie.
It's a terrible film with good ideas actors and moments....
Sam made the ship. Sam neglected his wife while obsessing about the ship. She killed herself, the ship preys on his guilt and his need for the ship to have been 'worth it'.
It's a Solaris rip off too.
also the demons don't speak latin, the Captain of the Event Horizon speaks Latin. he does it in all the logs, cos he's a nerd.
The movie makes that pretty obvious. Don't get how Jay missed that, but I totally get how old man Mike missed it
@@Strawberry92fs This movie is pretty deep. With some hidden stuff to come back to. That's why I like it.
@@DERDOHR Just at the part of jay trying to explain how he interpreted it and I'm like "....what?". Its a haunted house in space.
I need the longer uncut version. Lovecraftian material is hard to pull off but I still love it. Sam did this and In The Mouth of Madness close together and make for a great double feature.
You can see most of what was cut on CZcams in low rez form. Very little of the blood orgy or visions from hell was actually cut. Most of what was cut were character related scenes and a few short moments early on. The gore being cut has been greatly overexagertated.
That scene with Jay smiling with the horror scene in the background made me laugh so damn hard
I just wish they would've shown him from the waist down.
That's probably why Mike doesn't like Event Horizon - it's one of Jay's "weird pervert movies".
My read on Sam Neil's character is that he was never able to get past his wife's suicide, and, just like everyone else, the ship preyed on his trauma. The difference though is that he embraced it and let it twist him into a monster.
I don't think the implication was that he was originally on the ship. "I am home" is not literal.
Yeah he designed the ship I believe. They must have both gotten up to get a beer at that point.
@@Arroweast I agree, I think he did design it, and I read "I am home" as I've found my peace in insanity or something along those lines.
Yeah I figured the ship was already calling to him with space magic from the get go. He had those visions of his wife. It used him to lay a trap to everyone.
@@Arroweast 11:52
"He was the designer of the ship" -Mike They didn't miss it they were just spitballing
Yeah Jay was wayyyy off on that one. I dunno how he even came to that conclusion
My understanding is that the creators of Event Horizon were huge 40K fans; the script was intended as a part of the WH40K timeline but they failed to secure the rights from Games Workshop. The ship looks like a cathedral because that's how Imperial ships look, lots of religious imagery in 40k. Also in 40k FTL travel requires a ship passing through the "Warp" aka "realm of Chaos" which is basically Hell. If the shields fail, the ship could be attacked by demons, who live in the warp. The Latin, The roman numerals, the Gothic architecture, all of it because 40k.
It’s almost like they got lost in the warp
I always wondered if it was intentionally designed based on 40k or it was just a coincidence in attempts to make it creepy.
@@davidokinsky114 From wiki: "Screenwriter Philip Eisner acknowledged that Warhammer 40,000 influenced the story."
This actually makes a lot of sense
I was just about to say they should remake it as a 40K movie. Seems like that was the attempt all along
It wasn't a Demon speaking Latin it was the ship's captain, even though he was posesed or whatever at the time. It was established, in the ship's log, that the captain could speak Latin as he gives an address in Latin prior to them activating the gravity drive.
Yep. Hail and farewell is what he says. Abec equitvale I believe.
@@OpenMawProductionsave atque vale
I can quote a few Latin phrases too but that doesn't mean I can speak a dead language.
@@awandererfromys1680 many people speak fluent Latin. It's not such a dead language in the academic world.
@@malinko35hell I remember one of my college teachers roasting us with short latin sentences he came up with on the spot
I picked up the vhs of this movie laying around at an uncle's house when i was about 12 years old. Movie freaking traumatized me and I was afraid of going to sleep with the lights off for weeks.
I love that Mike explains warp drive using Star Trek logic. I was waiting for someone to come in and say "Mike, let me tell you about Warhammer 40k warp travel..."
What's Warhammer 40k warp travel?
@@mabusestestament FTL travel through Hell.
@@mabusestestament they rip a hole through hell and fly through it, using a tortured psychic to navigate and generate an energy shield that prevents demons from getting inside (most of the time)
Even if you make it through, its entirely possible that you didn't quite end up 'where' or 'when' you intended
@@mabusestestament Doshka17 explained it pretty well. You travel through an immaterial hell protected by a "reality bubble" called a Gellar Field. If it fails, the ship and its crew get infested by the demons which live there.... Or just get torn to pieces.... Or sexed and tortured for eternity.... Depends on the type of demon that finds you first.
@@SebaKingmaker Unless they're orks. Then they get a great fight. Until the deamons puss out and leave.
Took Mike less than 10 minutes to bring up Star Trek. He’s showing great restraint
And he barely hinted at Romulan space ships being powered by black holes.
8 min *
The geek is strong in this one...
They actually used footage from this film in an episode of Star Trek Voyager believe it or not.
No, not that footage.
Not gonna lie, this was probably the first horror movie I watched that actually grabbed my attention and kept me interested.
Oh, and as for Sam Neal’s character (Dr. Weir), he was never on the ship when it transited through the “hellverse”, but he was the chief designer and the black hole drive was essentially his brainchild.
yeah he was Heywood Floyd from 2010. He designed all the stuff in 2001 but didn't actually get onto that ship. Arthur C Clarke thought Floyd deserved better so made him the protagonist of the sequel (which was shit).
event horizon is basically 40k when you travel the warp without protection
"Roman numerals are old." "Which has no place on a spaceship." Saturn V would like a word with you.
Who is "Saturn V"? Can you give me his full last name so I can look him up?
@@ericv00 - it's the blonde Sailor Scout.
VGER wants to meet its maker
Mike: "Hell and spaceships just don't work"
"Alexa, play Rip & Tear"
Ahh! A fellow man of culture I see
*Issac Clarke enters the chat*
Event Horizon really is a DOOM prequel, isn’t it?
I think Doom Guy would agree though, that's kind of his entire motivation.
Its more DOOM than the DOOM movies....
I genuinely do love Mortal Kombat. To this day it still holds the high score on the video game adaptation film scoreboard(As low as that can be).
It has fun action, an awesome soundtrack and several pitch perfect casting choices.
I'm genuinely shocked that they both hate Mortal Kombat, it's a really fun cheesy movie.
Yea I still love it and its not nostalgia like Jay said. I mean I rewatched it again when I bought the blu ray.
@@ZachFett RLM are so full of shit at times. MK is a bad movie, but it is relatively well done for a garbage movie. It's the same thing with the super mario movie, I was 30 when I first so it, zero nostalgia and I liked it for what it is. Very very creative...
I recently re-watched it and was surprised at how good the visuals are (well, sans the Reptile CGI). Every setting has a sort of creepy, decayed look to it that adds to the atmosphere. Also, the actors who played Kano and Johnny Cage were fantastic.
@@dixonhill1108 or maybe, you liked it and they didn't
This movie is a 40k prequel as far as I am concerned
It's a cautionary tale of what happens when you warp without a Gellar field and astropath on board.
I laughed at:
"It still has a cult following."
"So does Charles Manson."
Lol
Sam Neill's character was the creator of the ship. The lead designer. That's why he felt at home on the ship.
Yeah, not sure why Jay felt he had travelled aboard it
@@Snipurss Imagine if the scientists who first pioneered nuclear submarine technology went on the maiden voyage of the first prototype.
Yeah, this exactly. He may have been on the ship, but only prior to its voyage. Although I don’t remember if they mention whether he intentionally designed it to “fail” or not.
@@billbadson7598 Weir absolutely did not design the drive to fail, he was a true believer. His wife's recent suicide was exploited by the corrupted ship to make him sabotage the Lewis And Clarke crew.
How did they even miss this? Sometimes i wonder about these two...
I'm with Jay. I actually like this more now than I did when I first watched it.
A spaceship orbiting a foggy planet. Crew in distress, personality changed. A rescue crew. Hallucinations. A supernatural being/world playing with people's fears, and an ending where we are not sure if anyone won.
It's got so much similarities with *Solaris*.
Well... Solaris (the book, anyway - none of the films quite lived up to it) is a pretty deep reflection on the impossibility of communication and true understanding between vastly different forms of intelligence (there's no "playing with people's fears" - Solaris actually tries to satisfy people's _desires,_ it just doesn't understand humans, it's like zoologists playing animal noises back to them), while this is basically a flying medieval dungeon with buckets of blood and things that go boom.
Edit: Also, while Lem did write a lot of (deliberately) very silly sci-fi, Solaris was one of his more "serious" books (he did know his physics and orbital mechanics), and nearly all the actual "space stuff" in Event Horizon is just nonsense.
@@RFC-3514 Not really. Most of what Event Horizon postulates about space travel is fairly accurate. Using gravity couches and stasis to overcome extreme g-forces, having limited oxygen, relying on CO2 scrubbers. Using Neptune's atmosphere as an analogue for a stormy night... Justin's over the top blood geyer when exposed to the vacuum isn't remotely accurate, but i'm not seeing "nonsense."
This movie is more cheery than Star Trek: Picard
Or a German shizer video
@@SpaceSkeletonDragon As someone who despises Event Horizon and loves Star Trek, I 100% agree with you.
Star Trek Picard is the living hell that came back from the Event Horizon.
@@evildoughboy7773 Absolutely.
@@StephenSchaal I dont know what that is and I'm afraid to Google it.
Gotta note, the Earth scientists knew the recording was Latin. They thought it was "Liberate me" (save me).
They got the actual recording from the ship itself. It was impossible to get the actual phrase (Liberate tute me ex infernis, save yourselves from Hell) until they got to the ship.
Also, the captain, not the demon, was speaking Latin. Why? He was a Latin aficionado. They showed him toasting the crew in Latin before they warped.
Plus... Doesn't it make sense that if you have a message from Hell in your film... That it would be spoken in Latin?
@@anothercleverusername992 I doubt it's literally the Christian hell but just some fucked up alternate dimension that could be described as Hellish. Doubt the entities there would be speak an ancient European language.
It’s also incorrect Latin.
@@Ensgnblack He's a spaceship captain, not a lawyer. Cut him some slack.
They hint that the guy who is the captain of the Event Horizon knows latin. In one of the logs he gives a latin phrase to celebrate their voyage.
if you decouple a train, friction will slow down the engineless part and quickly separate the train cars. in space if you decouple the ship all the ship parts will just keep going. an explosion will push the different parts in different directions
It’s a little puff, not an earth shattering kaboom.
I ain't smoking your weed again, Paul
yeah thats why the space station explodes everytime a ship leaves it
Hey just coz the films fiction forgets about the friction, doesn't necesarrily mean it's worth ditchin, the flick's still pretty bitchin'
shush man, we don't want physics in this vlog
I would like to remind everyone: John Carpenter's The Thing was both panned by critics and wasn't a box office hit when it originally came out, yet nowadays it is a Cult classic, and widely praised for its performances, oppressive paranoid atmosphere, minimalist music that fits the movie so well, and stunning special effects.
Event Horizon is vindicated by history in the same manner.
Lol no its not. the film is 25 years old and its still terrible
@@steviegbcool nope... have you seen the horrible crap horror film made in the past decade?!?
I ❤ The Thing with Kurt's sexy beard and bleak ending and Event Horizon was creepy enough to make me uncomfortable 😬 which is what good horror should do.
Not be basic ass found footage films that are cheap and not scary!!!!
@@steviegbcool
Idk man, I dont think its vindicated either, it has some serious issues with it, but at the same time, its a lot more interesting and enjoyable than a LOT of the horror genre, one of the least clever, most typecast, and boring genre's of film.
There are SOOO many of them and most of them rely heavily on sound design, gore, revulsion and nonsense to be considered good.
I can't say Event Horizon's attributes outweigh its flaws, but at least it isn't lame, its premise is interesting enough that I'm not just screaming at the screen the entire time for the characters to get the fuck outta there.
It takes itself seriously, with a sort of military setting that also worked for Predator, even though it doesn't deliver on its characters and moments nearly as well.
At least its not "The Purge" or some absolutely banal trash, people say Event Horizon doesn't make sense while the same critics and audiences are orgasming over that unrealistic stinker.
Halloween, Alien, Terminator, Evil Dead, etc., so many movies initially got mixed to negative reviews by critics. Nothing much has changed really.
The best part of this video is how all of Mike’s suggestions for improving this movie (“Put a kid in there!”) sound exactly like how Hollywood studio executives see a film they don’t understand and ruin it by incorporating plot points and characters from other movies you’ve seen.
Yeah, I feel like this is one of those movies that Mike made a conscious decision not to 'get' because he had a fundamental problem with the premise. After all, Mike's a pretty big Star Trek fan, he likes his science fiction. Blending horror and science fiction together is probably something that just doesn't sit right with him from the very start.
@@CopiousDoinksLLC which is weird since Mike has said that the original Star Trek was a horror series set in space.
Mike is such an ass
yeah but he's spit-balling, not orchestrating. He gives a simple suggestion on how to fix a gap in the text and expects the writer to come up with a way better way of fixing that gap, because that's what writers are good at. I'm not going to pretend everything Mike recommends would make the film better, but I also don't expect a critic to go out of his way to rewrite the entire script of a movie to implant the nuanced emotional core it needs.
@@tetryst I don't doubt that he didn't put a lot of thought into it. They're still bad ideas that would have made this movie immeasurably worse and less memorable had they been implemented.
The issue is not that there is a legitimate gap in the text, it's that the movie is not for Mike. That doesn't mean his personal issues are objective, valid criticism.
"Say the line, Jay!"
"This is borderline experimental . . ."
"YAY!"
Definitely one of my favourite guilty pleasures. I'd rewatch Event Horizon any day.
Possibly my favorite guilty pleasure, sometimes I even want to say its genuinely good.
The fact that the movie is a total mess adds so much to the messines of the situation the characters are in.
I enjoy it sometimes ironically, sometimes unironically.
@@Simon-yp7rv I wouldn’t say it’s a bad movie tho. It’s a messy movie with decent story idea. Like Jay said this is one of those movies that needs a remake with better writing.
“We’re leaving” is something I forgot. My god that line and the timing is just perfect. 😂
Mike: *explains the intricacies of FTL travel and how its represented in all these different Sci-Fi franchises*
Also Mike: *calls an Airlock the “going out into space room”*
Mike was NOT the guy to review this
Well, he does compare it to Star Trek Enterprise from Star Wars.
...which is incorrect, because as sci-fi FTL travel goes, Startrek Enterprise from the Star Wars franchise is the polar opposite of the SS Event Horizon from the film Event Horizon
i found that kind of baffling too. maybe they filmed that part after having a few too many beers. or maybe his brain stopped caring since he didn't like this movie at all.
@@666FallenShadow Honestly just seemed like one of the things he says for Comedy because it's cringe and makes nerds upset on the internet. Pretty sure mixing and matching the two is one of his go to jokes.
Not to mention that the Warp drive, Singularity drive, and the one aboard the Event Horizon are all different types of engines.
"Why is the demon speaking Latin?"
It was the captain of the ship speaking Latin. They show another recording of him giving a Latin quote as they set off on the mission. Just was a language he knew.
It wasn't the captain. Fishburn played the captain, the medic guy was the one who spoke Latin.
@@whywhy8324 He's talking about the Event Horizon's captain, from the found footage video log with all the gore.
@@whywhy8324 I mean the Event Horizon's Captain.
Larry Fishbone was the Captain of the rescue ship Lewis and Clarke.
He was speaking Latin because the dimension they reached was the Roman Catholic conceit of Hell. Watch the Critical Drinker's review. I usually like his takes, but the dude gets it completely wrong on this one.
@@InBetweenMolecules The thing I really like about this film is that it portrays a "hell" which isn't connected to religion.
I think there’s a GREAT movie buried deep inside the final product. A lot of the flaws Mike and Jay mentioned are legitimate, but my main problem was the pacing: it’s too quick. This should have been a much more quiet, suspenseful film and instead it feels sometimes like characters never stop talking. With a MUCH better director with the freedom to make it dark and slow, this could be a masterpiece.
Great comment. The comedic side characters are annoying, the plot holes are unavoidable but that's just surface level. This hands down goes to the core flaw of this movie. I still love this flick for what it is though
Event Horizon' is a masterpiece.
Agreed it still hurts to know there was near 40 minutes cut from the film a cut we will never get to see :(
"Hell and spaceships don't work"
Warhammer 40k wants to know your address.
Jay said the same nonsense about Exorcist 2 and the demon "Pazuzu". It never occured to him on either occasion that the films were trying to convey that "hell" and "the devil" are actually just imperfect and cultural-specific interpretations of a greater evil that is far older than Christianity. Reducing the place that the Event Horizon visits to simply "hell" is a misunderstanding. "Hell" is just the imperfect concept that emerged when humans caught a glimpse of where the ship goes. Jay always gets this sort of thing the wrong way around, trying to force his own cultural perspective on to something broader.
And DOOM!
Don't worry, the Imperial Inquisition has already been notified.
The Emperor protects!
Heresy! -BLAM-
We all know, that Mike likes his scifi production design to look like the interiour of a 1997 Honda Civic DX...
Correction: Mike hates every space-themed sci-fi that isn't Star Trek. He always talks about how he likes structure, the "we need to figure this out" scenarios of smart people applying their smarts and the "down-to-Earth" sci-fi. Yet he trashed absolutely every single movie with exact that premise they've ever reviewed or mentioned, sans for Annihilation (where he still complained about the very things he supposedly likes).
Hacks and frauds, indeed.
@@Myrth1 also arrival and the vast of night I feel he liked.
love the production, design and atmosphere of this movie. Super nostalgic for me now.
Wouldn't it be neat if the gothic look was the result of passing through the hell dimension? Sort of like a Silent Hill.
I can't help but love Rich's laugh, its so honest and open.
True story: My dad used to work in a mental hospital for teens with various learning difficulties and behavioural problems. He and a few of the other staff organised a trip to take them to the cinema and picked Event Horizon, thinking for some reason that it would be a fun sci-fi film like Star Wars. My dad doesn't work at the mental hospital any more.
@@dallesamllhals9161, it was *SO* much harder to do research like that in 1997. You couldn't just Google for trigger warnings or anything like that.
Lol, yeah he dropped the ball on this one...
@@dallesamllhals9161 to be fair, it is a fairly misleading/misdirecting trailer. It does like a sci-fi action adventure with some Aliens elements, not just a straight up horror film
That's weird when I was a kid I was in a placement and they took us to see Event Horizon.
I caught this around midnight on scifi when i was like 15. Fuvked with me for a long time
Finally. Jay can talk about his favorite Paul Thomas Anderson movie.
I just call him the crappy Paul Anderson lol
I love me some Wes Anderson.
I think Paul Thomas Anderson made Punch Drunk Love to show that he can make a better movie with Adam Sandler as the lead actor than any Paul WS Anderson film
@@frankmerker630
And also make a romantic comedy watchable
Paul Thomas Wes S Anderson is an inconsistent director.
I love the fade of Mikes voice as the camera closes in on Jay and you can see a bit of his soul wither away as Mike starts explaining spacetime.
Loved this move when we saw it in the theatres
Favourite Line:
Jay: This movie has a following.
Mike: So did Charles Manson.
"Where we're going we won't need eyes to see" - That line always stuck with me
The audio recording was what did it for me O.O
"Hell is only a word. The reality is much, much worse."
"Roads? Where we're going, we don't need 'roads.'"
@@UpUpBobby loved that line!
One of my favorites. loved the look and atmosphere.
I love at the end where Jay says that it's kind of fun sometimes to "go back and revisit something and see ..."
Yeah. Almost like you're watching something again. Almost like you're re-viewing it.
These boys are so special.
Sam Neill's character designed the Event Horizon. He was never onboard the ship when it went on it's maiden voyage. Sam Neill's character is very similar to Jack Torrance in The Shining, except that his wife committed suicide - so he felt guilty for her death. The captain of the Event Horizon knew Latin. He said "Ave, atque, vale" (Hail and farewell) before they engaged the warp engine - hence, why he said "Liberatis tutemet" (Save yourself) during the blood orgy scene in the final video log.
Exactly! He speaks in Latin because he's a pretentious weirdo!
@@MakiPcr Or maybe he's just educated with a sense of pioneering adventure.
Thank you so much for this information! I don't know how I would've slept tonight.
@@shan4680 Exactly what a pretentious weirdo would say. Well done.
“Liberatis tutemet” would mean something like “you yourself save,” it’s “libera te tutemet” bc u need the imperative
He's not speaking Latin because he's possessed. They show the captain, before the event, speaking Latin to the camera made by the crew. The old captain knows Latin.
Jesus. Thank you. I'm listening to them like 'did you even watch the fucking movie'?
Right before they jump, Captain is making the ship's log and says "Ave Atque Vale - Hail and farewell". Cause smart people like starship captains know latin. Whatever. The guy in the video is the mutilated captain.
It's not brain rocketry.
@@christiangilligan9186 The captain might not be smart. He might just be Catholic.
@@stewmott3763 also possible, but invalidates this specific criticism.
@@christiangilligan9186 Thank you, Ricky. You get your grade 10 yet?
@@stewmott3763 Maybe, but either way, the movie establishes the captain speaks Latin prior to the jump. Smart guys speaking Latin is just a general trope.
That engine seems to be undoubtedly a reference to "Ezekiel's Wheel." Even including eye-like circles all over it.
What's funny though is the actual biblical depiction is nothing like the artist renderings of it. He's basically describing a table with wheels -- a throne chariot. That throne chariot itself being a symbol of the skies; the stars being the "eyes" and the four animal faces corresponding to the ancient zodiac.
Funny enough I just learned what that was like 2 days ago. Instantly realized it's the same thing watching this interview.
Just understood that this movie rips the plot from Tarkovsky's Solaris, with all that fear and wife stuff. Huh
Tarkovsky's Solaris (not Soderbergh's remake) is a much scarier film, as the contrast between the benign spaceship design filled with hallucinations works.
@@justwatching1980 you meant boredomer? want scary? watch tarkovsky outtakes where that idiot just tortures enemies between scenes of actually shooting his bullshit unmovies
solaris is a book
also the author of that book hates that hack
maybe not as much as the remake, he was quite vague in calling them apples and oranges of shit
Event Horizon, Mortal Kombat, and Twister are my top "I didn't say it was good, I said I liked it" movies
At the time Mortal Kombat was a groundbreaking film the way it relied so heavily on cg. That stuff was cool as hell and heralded a new era of filmmaking. Not that it was good lol
You mean a "guilty pleasure" ?
I think Twister stands above because of that Twister dinner and the Tornado growls.
@@2Evil2Hope also, it has Bill Paxton in it.
@@venomfuryx3250 The only man killed by Alien, Predator _and_ Terminator. R.I.P., you legend...
Just now realized the engine core is an angel.
Woah. I completely missed that, even though I've seen this movie like 100 times and also dig the 'biblical angel' meme, immensely. Nice catch.
You what..?
@@hexusG4Z Biblical angels are described as being weird burning rings and stuff, much like the core here.
@@terriblefez Thanks I did and, yep they are the bloody same.
Just another cool detail that,
Fallen one
I loved this movie unironically. It is spooky, well shot, good sets, decent story. Better than most horror movies I've seen after 2010.
Agreed 👍
It's 2/3's great, and 1/3 kinda dumb. I agree with everything they say about Cooper, and the final act's sound mixing. If they cut out some of Cooper's ham (and killed him when the Clarke blew up), and fixed the sound mix, that would significantly improve the ending.
I loved the film as a kid and I still love it as an adult. Pairs like a fine wine with Pandorum on a Friday night with a tub of popcorn
''Hell and space ships just don't work"
Inquisitor : ''That's the spirit imperial citizen''
Finally someone else has the correct take on that statement, instead of getting salty lol.
The crew didn't say "The Emperor Protects" before leaving.
keep those Geller fields on citizen, the last thing you want is a Slaaneshi daemon diddling your holes.
I was looking for a comment like that and am glad to have found it. :)
@@onelividguardsman5681 Me and da boyz don't need no stinkin' galler fieldz...bring me demons to krump!
"Why did you bring me here today? I was sleeping." Grandpa Mike.
@@vitorafmonteiro Tragic irony? Or poetic justice? You tell me.
Just seen this movie for the first time. I'd watched this re:view when it was uploaded and without remembering Jay saying he thinks the movie could serve to be remade, I found myself thinking as the credits rolled "man, I really wish this had been made 10, 20 years earlier on almost no budget, or had been made in the last couple years". I totally agree with Jay that the concept is really very appealing and I also love the production design throughout the movie. It's honestly frustrating all the little mistakes that were made that come together to make the movie so ineffective because there really was a lot going for it and I wish I could see the alternate hell dimension where this movie was as good as it could have been.
They kinda did, Dead Space is MOSTLY the exact same premise, just done better in every way, and it really shows off how good this movie could have been if the script writers had another few weeks of editting and shooting to make it less jarring and tacky, which was 90% of the problems, the scenes were sometimes really good but other times ran like a roller coaster with speed bumps.
Man, I never interpreted Sam Neil's character as having been onboard the maiden voyage of the Event Horizon. The movie makes it clear it disappeared on the maiden voyage through the foldspace while the doctor was back on Earth. He's a touch mad at the start of the movie because of the suicide of his wife while he was a workaholic, amplified by the knowledge that all his hard work led to something strange happened to the ship and its crew. Doubly whammy of survivor's guilt... but I do have to say that it is an intriguing idea if he was secretly a survivor of the maiden voyage and was sent back unconsciously to lure more victims... but somehow I suspect that would be one ball of cheese too many.
"Hell and space ships don't work" - nobody tell Mike about Warhammer 40K
We all know Mike would hate 40k or atleast suggest we go back to rogue trader days of everything being stupidly funny but not being condusive to books or narratives
Sam Neill's character designed the ship. That's why he says he's already home. Not because he was already on it when it went through the wormhole.
No
@@kaderdetroyes9240 ...this isn't opinion, it's a fact stated in the movie.
@@OfficerRFriendly oh ok then
@@kaderdetroyes9240 🤔
Yeah. He literally says 'I built it'
Then one of em says 'I can see why they sent YOU'
He wanted the ship, his life's work, back. Especially given what it cost him. And the ship exploited the trauma of his wife's suicide (and that he pretty much caused it, indirectly) and used that to GET him. So by thr end, the ship has possessed him but it kinda backdoored in so he's more with it than Justin.
All of this is pretty obvious if you just, y'know, WATCH THE MOVIE.
They're funny as hell, but sometimes I wonder if these guys intentionally gloss over shit like this expressly for comedic purposes.
It was great to hear your different takes on the movie. It's always been a favorite of mine, and I would be interested to see a reboot (done properly).
The original atmosphere and design of the scenery and costumes really lend to the movie's flavor, along with the practical effects. I think it would be challenging for a reboot to tackle this aspect.
Event Horizon is by far my fav horror movie. I love the actors, the setting, the ship which they actually built, and the fact that the force they are fighting is so unimaginably evil. Us hardcore know about the evil salt mine but there was no guarantee it would make the movie better.
The reason the Latin phrase is in there is because the captain of the event horizon speaks Latin in the pre-crazy log when they are setting off on the mission. Sets him up as the kind of grand-thinking guy who likes to drop Latin into everyday situations. That was a set up and pay off mike, pay attention!
It's one thing to not like a film or even hate it (that's everyone's prerogative) but for people so experienced in film criticism, there were a lot of things in this video that were just lazy by both of them given the film spells things out quite clearly. It's not trying to go out of its way to trick the viewer.
Mike's dementia is too far advanced now. He misses this kind of stuff all the time, the poor guy.
@@shan4680 yeah, I feel the word “perfunctory” tends to apply to some recent videos. Like something came across his desk and he was like “event horizon?! Fuck it!” Hack frauds etc ;) Even so, was a fun time.
@@shan4680 and I would say that's fine if they didn't present their subjective reaction to movies as objective truth.
Like at the beginning, Jay goes on about how Mortal Kombat was terrible, how people only like it because of nostalgia, and that it's okay to not like something now that you liked as a kid.
Yes, and it's also okay for other people to think a movie is good when you think it's bad.
This is why Rich is my favorite. Zero pretention or film student energy.
@@janeeyre1990 also when they talk about the "dated techno music" when it's Prodigy. I know he wanted to make a parralel to the Mortal Kombat theme but it's like saying using Limp Bizkit at the end of your movie it's the same as using Deep Purple because both are rock/metal bands.
Worth mentioning that the Captain of the Event Horizon speaks Latin when the ship is being launched, so they set up he spoke Latin. Unfortunately we can't fire anyone for that blunder.
Mike proven to be a hack fraud yet again!
It's not the captain, it's the doctor from the Lewis & Clark.
@@whywhy8324 He is talking about the original Captain of the Event Horizon. He is shown in a video before the Event Horizon take off and he said something in latin (and I think the movie also implies he was a religious man), that's why he talks latin in the blood orgy video later on.
This whole Re:View episode gave me WW1984 vibes. It seems they missed a few things.
@@Antillles
Of course he's actually talking Latin because it's spooky.
But I'm impressed they gave an in - universe justification.
@@alanpennie8013 Sure, they probably first thought about the spooky Latin phrase and then justified it. But is not a "demon from another dimension speaking Latin for no reason" like they tried to imply.
I really like this movie. I stumbled across it on sale for $2 at Walmart in the bargain bin. It quickly became one of my favorite horror movies.
It's amazing how you've managed to somehow take Event Horizon more seriously than it took itself.
the fans seem to take it pretty seriously
Uh.. What?
Event Horizon was aiming to be a serious horror film. It was trying to be The Shining or The Haunting in space (From the director's own mouth.)
I mean i have to agree with the replies here, Event Horizon OBVIOUSLY took itself very seriously in its writing and shooting.
Unfortunately it suffers pretty heavily from the "Big Production Studio" effect, where it looks like each scene was decided upon by commitee, so they often feel like totally different genres and have stark differences in quality and attention.
Side cast was given too much time and were boring, main cast weren't developed enough to get invested in.
Dr Weir was the closest to being a rounded character then gets suddenly and awkwardly shuffled out of the cast mid-movie.
Shit like this which looks like it was some kind of fight between the director, actors, writers and cinamatographers all trying to compromise on what they thought would be good to include in their limited time.
Which is why everyone pretty much universally agrees this woulda been a better TV show, because CLEARLY there were too many cooks in the kitchen for a 2 hour runtime, and it just ended with the audience getting 2 potato chips, one bite of pie, the bottom half of a cake, one leaf of lettuce and 5 peas, instead of a whole meal.
It also explains why some people loved it and some people hated it with very little in between.
If you're the kind of person who likes to fill in the blanks with your imagination in your media, this was probably a fun movie.
If you're the kind of person who actually wants to get invested in your characters and plot, this movie was probably an awful shitshow.
I think a TV show would have solved this, since all the characters would have got their time, the scenes would make more sense, and it would be much less rushed, plus you'd be more invested in the actual drama because you'd have more time to think about whats going on, instead of just having suspend your disbelief and going along with the nonsense rollercoaster.
It wouldn't have been AMAZING, I think a lot of the characters needed a fundamental rework, and it needed a few more interesting elements, but I think as like, maybe a 10-episode Netflix style show, it would probably have been very very good.
The Event Horizon’s horrible engine is one of my favorite science fiction designs ever. It’s so threatening and mysterious and absolutely outrageous.
the gravity drive was fueled by exactly one thing: being outrageously extra
check out 40k. this ship is the standard human method of travel lol
Every time i see the engine and the core, i can see how amazingly creative it is, how terrifying it is
and yet i always have to ask
“Why the hell did they build it like that?”
if you're just looking at the design in isolation, you can be like "Hey, Gothic madhouse aesthetic -nice!". but if you question for a second why the ship actually looks the way it does...
it's not outrageous, it's just stupid. and not fun stupid.
Oh God, the doors with spikes on their inner edges . . .
The captain of the Event Horizon spoke Latin at the beginning of the film, before the portal opened. There you go.
Also why are they assuming its a demon from hell speaking latin? its clearly that captain you mentioned. Dont understand why they didnt get that.
Thank you! I have no idea why they found this confusing.
Thank you I was about to say that.
@@stargalaxyblack who cares man. The movie was ass and deserves a good roasting. What a waste of the audience’s time.
@@FilonisHat nah it was a fine movie, the execution was just mediocre
I like Event Horizon. it was one of those movies that came out around those years when these kinds of things were popular, like 13 ghosts, and Ghostship, and Final Destination 1 and 2, and The Faculty. all movies i loved back then as a teenager man.
Something that I think is So underrated. I love how they edit these videos. How they fade to black, put an ad, then fade back... that alone makes it better edited than most everything on CZcams. But the editing is also pretty on point for everything.
Yup, it's me, the guy who loved Event Horizon and weeps for the loss of the deleted footage. Genuinely, this is one of my favourite horror movies. Is it a masterpiece in tension like The Shining or The Thing? No. Does it have an amazingly-written script? No. Is it 90-odd minutes of cheap fun and surprisingly inventive gore? Hell yes. And when I need something like that and don't feel like a slasher movie, I usually wind up reaching for this.
There are dozens of us!
Event Horizon has many elements that could be improved. It is IMO a very flawed movie. That said, it is also one of the few movies that actually scares me a bit, even though I've seen it six times or more. Plus, I actually enjoy it more now than I did the first time as I know what I'm in for with EH. The first time I was expecting something different and was slightly disappointed.
Amen! I reach for this movie often.
Hey nothing wrong with that. I also really like it equally for the parts that work and the parts that are just schlock. It's really rare to find a movie with this kind of balance of good ideas AND so bad they're good ideas.