I think this is one of the first videos of yours that I watched ...I wasnt even a member of YT back thenIt was a tool my mentor didnt have...or atleast I couldnt see one he did his on the edge of the anvil then straightened the shoulder in the tenon hole I thought it wasnt too efficient ...so I made one out of an older cutoff and he wondered what I was doing. So I told him and he was really pleased. finding and designing tools for jobs is one of the things about blacksmithing that I just find fascinating ...its the essence of the job for me to be honest
I didn’t know it was still legal to sell anything with asbestos anywhere in the United States. Thanks for sharing that information! You probably saved a few people from a lifetime of medical issues.
I love how you make this trade so approachable. I've never forged anything, but lately I've become extremely interested in it due to my recent obsession with primitive technologies, and thanks to your simple & approachable methods, it's quickly becoming a hobby instead of just an interest. 😁👍
Exactly! I feel like I can now go right out and do this. I’ve taken a couple blacksmithing classes and it’s so much fun. My projects came out so well using the school’s tools, and now after watching these videos I feel ready to tackle the tools needed to build my tool collection.
This one covered a lot of country for what I would regard as essential , yet slightly more advanced "fundamentals". I would be really appreciative of your joining forces with Stewart after he completes his course. As always you scored a thumbs up and many thanks for another wonderful video John.
What a great video. John I really appreciate your videos. I really like your idea of " okay this is the next step for our project, what tools do I need for it?". No not everybody has a complete blacksmiths shop, or has access to a friend's shop.
Man this seems a lot easier than what I'm doing. I have 2" round 01 tool steel and my hardy hole is 3/5" square. I don't have a power hammer so I'm having to draw down the shank and forge the bit by hand. Tool steel is no joke it does not like to move lol. It laughs at puny 4lb hammer and scofs at my 20lb sledge.
Nicely done. Very interesting using heat treating/file method to determine type of steel properties, just need to remember to back into the heat treating with the steel; air, oil, water and brine. I hope your friend takes you up on the offer to discuss heat treating and tempering.
Shhh, no one was supposed to notice 😜 By the way I received the box of iron wood, thank you very much. I also got your phone message and will try to call you today.
If the notch you mention on the shank is a flat spot in the side of it, it is for the locking mechanism of the jackhammer. Many of them have a cam type piece that grabs that flat spot stopping it from falling out of the hammer. Also, I'm glad to hear you have trouble working with the bit steel as well. I took on my first actual project last weekend, making a hot cut hardy out of a bit I got from work. Between lack of skill, using pliers as tongs, and how tough it was to move, I wound up running low on propane before I finished. I decided since my handheld chisel in the vice was working well enough, I made it into a bottom fuller instead. It will probably be more useful in the long run, to be honest.
Lots of verations of steels ,Well I am a slower learner than I knew... ..............Thank John..... Next going out back to make coat hooks next I did make a second cut off tool from brake calipers they doing I think satirfactory for my needs.
Learn LOTS every time. Although I am not quite up to using a butcher yet, I took away a bunch of good information. I especially am happy to have gotten the idea of a Hardy reducer. I am needing to make some hardy tools and the 1.25 hole has been a concern. Really my is so worn it is far more than 1.25...But a reducer opens up some ideas...THANK YOU
Thanks for this John, especially the recommend for a 70 deg angle on the butcher. I really like how easy it is to turn these collared bits into hardy tools, I need to find a source for some used up bits.
Could you please make a video of how to make an insert plate/hardie hole adapter. I've got a 2 inch hardie hole and need one to reduce it to 1 1/4 inch.
Thank you again for this video. I thought to make a bottom butcher but the weather is too cold here in Belgium to work outside. (My forge is outside, in a corner of my backyard ... Next week we should have frost-free temperatures in Belgium (hopefully).) I will take into account the angle of 70 °. I note that this is a totally different tool from the cut-off hardy that I used so far to mark the shoulders. Thank you for that clarification.
I hope you have some warm weather, it is hard to work outside in the cold. You can probably do the job with a blunt ciutoff hardy, but the butcher should leave a better shoulder.
Thanks for your videos. Suggestion: perhaps show close ups of the tool face before and after working so that viewers may see what work was accomplished.
I think you are enjoying possibly leaving clever distractors that aren't the correct answer in the giveaway. I really enjoy your videos and I forge on something nearly everyday. Thanks again.
Well yes. I made my living for years writing distractors in the mathematics and physics world. Any good distractor is so tempting it makes a good student think it might possibly be correct! I hope you are having fun, I know I am!
I don't know if you got a heat treat oven or not yet but you might want to check with stands and koskey barzee he's making Hotshot 360 as you can get a kit build your own
If I were just watching this video I would be like a jack hammer bit and chuckle then move on, but your videos actually explain your rummaging, and justify it imo.
hi boss was wondering if a car towball would be a item to use as a butcher or a hardy has a large shank large shoulder and a lot of material to shape to a lot of shapes thanks in advancenewby blacksmith paul
so I wasn't supposed to notice the shirts. watched you making handles the other day, I have hickory at my cabin but I don't like cutting them. I am going to sacrifice one for handles this year have a little bit now but need to cut some to dry. Have you heard of house handle company in Cassville MO? They used to run a route every month and I kept a supply of handles in the shop for me and my customers. Much better grain than hardware store handles. Man said they had a person who cut and split out bolts for them. They are still in business I don't know if they still have the same quality they did but they now have a website. They might be able to furnish blanks. What does this comment have to do with butcher tools? Might want to make a top one with a handle? Watch your fingers.
I have used house handle and tried to get them interested in making custom handle, but I'm not big enough to be worth the trouble. I haven't asked about just billets of hickory. My preference is to use both top and bottom butches, but I am trying to keep things simple and not give the impression that you have to have both.
Howdy Mr John. Great instructional guide. Pretty sure we'll be using it over and over. P.s. any chance you would be willing to make up a copy of the paperwork you refuted to , the old mc mastercarr guide and send it to an old man like me for say $20??? 🙏 Be blessed my friend Crawford out ⚒️
@@BlackBearForge , if I can ever get caught up I could send you some s4 bop rings. Wellhead to blowout preventor rings. Roughly 1in square bar in a 14in ring
Great video John! Lots of excellent information in this video. Question - How long did you leave the butcher in your oven during the tempering process?
Hello John. Another great video and the wardrobe changes were interesting. I have a question (more of a request ) regarding your Hardy insert. Your anvil looks like mine so I'm guessing it's a Peter Wright. I also have a 1.25" hardy hole and have been wanting to size it down with a inert for a while now. It looks like you've drilled and drifted a square hole in a piece of plate and i'm guessing that you have welded a 0.125" thick wall plate (or 0.125" walled square tube) to the backside of the plate to accommodate a 1" shank. These are all assumptions on my part so any detail you could provide would be helpful. Thanks
Your assumptions are pretty much right on the money. It's 3/8" plate, but that isn't critical. There was some filing inside the tube required to get rid of the weld seam. You could also use a bit of angle iron in the corner of the hardy hole, but it doesn't always provide good suport for the shoulders on the smaller tools.
They don’t work real well. The area that they read gets wider the further out you are and that means you can’t get a good reading unless you are way to close to the heat.
@@BlackBearForge You could make a piece of sheet metal with a small hole in it, and shoot the thermometer through the " window " to block out unwanted heat.
Both are good fuels. Which ever is readily available is usually the best choice. However Coke requires a constant air source or it goes out, which can be a problem if you don't have an electric blower.
Am looking for a chart like I used to have that had the carbon content, of common farm implements, car parts and other commonly acquired recycled metals. Seems like it was posted on one of the blacksmith sites. Any help locating the chart or at least a reference to Google would be appreciated. I have a lot of mystery steel accumulating.
Thanks for the link, unfortunately the 1 3/4 square axle shafts I have for a double axle trailer weren't listed. I am assuming they are some sort of harden able steel. There aught to be a lot of hammers or other tooling to be made from them if I can sort out the mystery.
![[BLACKSMITH] Easy ways to forge hardy shanks with a friend.](/img/n.gif)
Great as always. I like the shirt change at the very end.
I think this is one of the first videos of yours that I watched ...I wasnt even a member of YT back thenIt was a tool my mentor didnt have...or atleast I couldnt see one he did his on the edge of the anvil then straightened the shoulder in the tenon hole I thought it wasnt too efficient ...so I made one out of an older cutoff and he wondered what I was doing.
So I told him and he was really pleased.
finding and designing tools for jobs is one of the things about blacksmithing that I just find fascinating ...its the essence of the job for me to be honest
Glad the video was helpful
I didn’t know it was still legal to sell anything with asbestos anywhere in the United States. Thanks for sharing that information! You probably saved a few people from a lifetime of medical issues.
I love how you make this trade so approachable. I've never forged anything, but lately I've become extremely interested in it due to my recent obsession with primitive technologies, and thanks to your simple & approachable methods, it's quickly becoming a hobby instead of just an interest. 😁👍
Exactly! I feel like I can now go right out and do this.
I’ve taken a couple blacksmithing classes and it’s so much fun. My projects came out so well using the school’s tools, and now after watching these videos I feel ready to tackle the tools needed to build my tool collection.
17:53 "_We_ did a good job of forging it..."
glad to help
cheers John - I'm all over this like a fat kid on a cupcake - my project for the weekend!
Cupcakes? where?
Hi once I see it is a "Black Bear" video I just hits the thumbs up.
Thanks you again Sir
This one covered a lot of country for what I would regard as essential , yet slightly more advanced "fundamentals". I would be really appreciative of your joining forces with Stewart after he completes his course. As always you scored a thumbs up and many thanks for another wonderful video John.
What a great video. John I really appreciate your videos. I really like your idea of " okay this is the next step for our project, what tools do I need for it?". No not everybody has a complete blacksmiths shop, or has access to a friend's shop.
Thanks John as always great information
Oh yeah. This is my next tool I make. Thanks John I appreciate all your videos. 👍👍🔨on
I found this video Very informative , thank you...
Outstanding John! Thank you for the education! Taking notes we are, blessings and aloha td
Very nice job. That butcher looks very refined and professional. I would be happy to use that, it should make very clean shoulders.
Man this seems a lot easier than what I'm doing. I have 2" round 01 tool steel and my hardy hole is 3/5" square. I don't have a power hammer so I'm having to draw down the shank and forge the bit by hand. Tool steel is no joke it does not like to move lol. It laughs at puny 4lb hammer and scofs at my 20lb sledge.
I am going to have to make one. I would be interested in a video with your associate on hardening and tempering. Thanks for the great video
Thank you buddy for sharing this I know I am knew away this but I sure thank you and can come back and watch all I want to
Love the hardening and tempering information
Nicely done. Very interesting using heat treating/file method to determine type of steel properties, just need to remember to back into the heat treating with the steel; air, oil, water and brine. I hope your friend takes you up on the offer to discuss heat treating and tempering.
That method at least gives you an idea what you may have.
Fun new game; How many times did John's shirt change colors in this video?
Shhh, no one was supposed to notice 😜
By the way I received the box of iron wood, thank you very much.
I also got your phone message and will try to call you today.
Looking forward to it!
Thanks John! Looking forward to the guillotine video because I am looking forward to making one. 👍
Thanks John this is my next tool to make .
If the notch you mention on the shank is a flat spot in the side of it, it is for the locking mechanism of the jackhammer. Many of them have a cam type piece that grabs that flat spot stopping it from falling out of the hammer. Also, I'm glad to hear you have trouble working with the bit steel as well. I took on my first actual project last weekend, making a hot cut hardy out of a bit I got from work. Between lack of skill, using pliers as tongs, and how tough it was to move, I wound up running low on propane before I finished. I decided since my handheld chisel in the vice was working well enough, I made it into a bottom fuller instead. It will probably be more useful in the long run, to be honest.
Thanks for sharing
I wish I had list to those that know and used ear protection. I would be using hearing aids now.
Lots of verations of steels ,Well I am a slower learner than I knew...
..............Thank John.....
Next going out back to make coat hooks next
I did make a second cut off tool from brake calipers they doing I think satirfactory for my needs.
Learn LOTS every time. Although I am not quite up to using a butcher yet, I took away a bunch of good information. I especially am happy to have gotten the idea of a Hardy reducer. I am needing to make some hardy tools and the 1.25 hole has been a concern. Really my is so worn it is far more than 1.25...But a reducer opens up some ideas...THANK YOU
It is amazing how much more difficult it is to make tooling for a 1 1/4" hardy hole compared to 1"
Thanks for this John, especially the recommend for a 70 deg angle on the butcher. I really like how easy it is to turn these collared bits into hardy tools, I need to find a source for some used up bits.
Rental stores that rent jack hammers will sometimes have bits that have been used until they just can't be sharpened anymore.
Could you please make a video of how to make an insert plate/hardie hole adapter. I've got a 2 inch hardie hole and need one to reduce it to 1 1/4 inch.
Thank you again for this video. I thought to make a bottom butcher but the weather is too cold here in Belgium to work outside. (My forge is outside, in a corner of my backyard ... Next week we should have frost-free temperatures in Belgium (hopefully).)
I will take into account the angle of 70 °. I note that this is a totally different tool from the cut-off hardy that I used so far to mark the shoulders. Thank you for that clarification.
I hope you have some warm weather, it is hard to work outside in the cold. You can probably do the job with a blunt ciutoff hardy, but the butcher should leave a better shoulder.
Now that i have all the elements to build a suitable butcher, i'll make one (as soon as the weather allows to work outside).
I've gotta get one of those shirts...
..That is a Very tough piece of metal !! Thanks for this John. Would it be useful to have a few of these with different angles in the toolbox??...
Very nice tool indeed.
Hey a multi colored changing shirt. Wife had a chameleon once.
Great video. Thank you. I think I spotted a giveaway hint.
Shhh, don't give it away
Black Bear Forge Oh no. I would never want to draw attention to the moment at 2:23 and lessen my chances at the giveaway. ;)
Thanks for your videos. Suggestion: perhaps show close ups of the tool face before and after working so that viewers may see what work was accomplished.
I think you are enjoying possibly leaving clever distractors that aren't the correct answer in the giveaway. I really enjoy your videos and I forge on something nearly everyday. Thanks again.
Or, maybe they are?
Well yes. I made my living for years writing distractors in the mathematics and physics world. Any good distractor is so tempting it makes a good student think it might possibly be correct! I hope you are having fun, I know I am!
Yep, if it's not fun, why bother
I don't know if you got a heat treat oven or not yet but you might want to check with stands and koskey barzee he's making Hotshot 360 as you can get a kit build your own
👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Hi John
Does impact resistant steel have a high red hardness?
Can you explain please.
Regards
Alex
If I were just watching this video I would be like a jack hammer bit and chuckle then move on, but your videos actually explain your rummaging, and justify it imo.
Hi have you ever used big truck tire spoons as a set of tongs
I have not
What kind of steel is on your power hammer dies?
Thanks!
hi boss was wondering if a car towball would be a item to use as a butcher or a hardy has a large shank large shoulder and a lot of material to shape to a lot of shapes thanks in advancenewby blacksmith paul
Should be, I use one as is for a round forming tool
so I wasn't supposed to notice the shirts. watched you making handles the other day, I have hickory at my cabin but I don't like cutting them. I am going to sacrifice one for handles this year have a little bit now but need to cut some to dry.
Have you heard of house handle company in Cassville MO? They used to run a route every month and I kept a supply of handles in the shop for me and my customers. Much better grain than hardware store handles. Man said they had a person who cut and split out bolts for them. They are still in business I don't know if they still have the same quality they did but they now have a website. They might be able to furnish blanks.
What does this comment have to do with butcher tools? Might want to make a top one with a handle? Watch your fingers.
I have used house handle and tried to get them interested in making custom handle, but I'm not big enough to be worth the trouble. I haven't asked about just billets of hickory. My preference is to use both top and bottom butches, but I am trying to keep things simple and not give the impression that you have to have both.
Howdy Mr John. Great instructional guide. Pretty sure we'll be using it over and over.
P.s. any chance you would be willing to make up a copy of the paperwork you refuted to , the old mc mastercarr guide and send it to an old man like me for say $20???
🙏 Be blessed my friend
Crawford out ⚒️
If I can find it could email it to you
@@BlackBearForge , thank you. I've some s2 and a bunch of s4 rings. That would be great.
Wdcrawford@gmail.com
@@BlackBearForge , if I can ever get caught up I could send you some s4 bop rings. Wellhead to blowout preventor rings. Roughly 1in square bar in a 14in ring
The price of PID controllers is much less than they once were. You can get a mid-range PID controller for $20 or $30.
Hi John
Love your videos!
You mention that you make tools for woodworking.
What steel is best for chisels and plane blades?
That is a matter of much discusion among tool makers and tool users. Generally I like O1 or W1
Thank you John,
Much appreciated!
How is your gas forge so quiet???? Every other one I've seen is like sitting a runway. 🙂
With that forge I was shutting it off between heats for improved audio quality
Great video John! Lots of excellent information in this video. Question - How long did you leave the butcher in your oven during the tempering process?
I leave it fr an hour. But as long as it makes it to the tempering temperature throughout the piece, the exact time doesn't really matter.
Great! Thank you!
Hello John. Another great video and the wardrobe changes were interesting. I have a question (more of a request ) regarding your Hardy insert. Your anvil looks like mine so I'm guessing it's a Peter Wright. I also have a 1.25" hardy hole and have been wanting to size it down with a inert for a while now. It looks like you've drilled and drifted a square hole in a piece of plate and i'm guessing that you have welded a 0.125" thick wall plate (or 0.125" walled square tube) to the backside of the plate to accommodate a 1" shank. These are all assumptions on my part so any detail you could provide would be helpful.
Thanks
Your assumptions are pretty much right on the money. It's 3/8" plate, but that isn't critical. There was some filing inside the tube required to get rid of the weld seam. You could also use a bit of angle iron in the corner of the hardy hole, but it doesn't always provide good suport for the shoulders on the smaller tools.
👍👍👍
Can you use an infrared laser thermometer instead of color to know if you reached the desired temperature?
They don’t work real well. The area that they read gets wider the further out you are and that means you can’t get a good reading unless you are way to close to the heat.
@@BlackBearForge You could make a piece of sheet metal with a small hole in it, and shoot the thermometer through the " window " to block out unwanted heat.
dear sir when you quench in water is it better if the water is realy cold or water that is at room temprature
Warm water is actually the best, but I usually go with room temp.
why not a spring fulle/rbutcher?
Why didn't I think of that. Great idea
Hey...love your channel.... coke or coal for new blacksmith? What are your thoughts? Thanks.
Both are good fuels. Which ever is readily available is usually the best choice. However Coke requires a constant air source or it goes out, which can be a problem if you don't have an electric blower.
Red or blue? Hmm? Hell, both have black ... we'll call it butcher blacksmith blackish with a touch of red/blue?
Have you ever used boring rod to make tools?
No I have not. No idea what they are made of
I've done some research and found that it's normally made of tool steel. What kind of tool steel depends on the manufacturer.
Thank you John for not going to belt grinder
Vermont grinder???
@@BlackBearForge oops sorry bad miss print, I was thanking you for not going to belt grinder
Am looking for a chart like I used to have that had the carbon content, of common farm implements, car parts and other commonly acquired recycled metals. Seems like it was posted on one of the blacksmith sites. Any help locating the chart or at least a reference to Google would be appreciated. I have a lot of mystery steel accumulating.
www.metalsmith.org/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=73&t=20
Thanks for the link, unfortunately the 1 3/4 square axle shafts I have for a double axle trailer weren't listed. I am assuming they are some sort of harden able steel. There aught to be a lot of hammers or other tooling to be made from them if I can sort out the mystery.
Most axels are in the medium carbon range and seem to oil harden. Great for hardy tools and hammers
Great news on axle, am going to attempt to make dies from it to use on my tire hammer. Hopefully it will work for that. Thanks for the reply.
Salt melts at 1474F
Hello, I hope you're doing okay.I think you shouldn't have you phone close to you if your grinding it will damage your speakers
Stop doing the shirt swap! You're confusing the hell out of me! ;-)