Adaptive suspension + side stand problem & solution
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- čas přidán 10. 08. 2021
- Just a short video illustrating the problem some folks are having getting the side stand up & down with the active suspension, and an easy way to deal with it.
If any of you have any questions on the bike feel free to ask. If I know I'll post it, if not I'll look into it. - Auta a dopravní prostředky
I'm short. Had the 2" lowering link installed. The stock jiffy stand had the bike leaning to the right. I cut 3/4" out of the length, welded back together add 1/4" rod welded in the groove for reinforcement. Works great now while using your tip. Flat foot at stop with some knee flex. I'll probably change it to the 1" drop length to get some ground clearance back.
Thanks for the tip. Had that problem most of the time
Thanks, that is very helpful.
Glad it was helpful!
I’ve been doing as you suggest, however I have another issue with the side stand. I usually park with my bike in neutral. The tab where you place your foot to lower it is so close to the shift lever that it is possible to accidentally knock the bike into gear.
Same here
I've probably done that a few (dozen) times as well. Unfortunately, since they are so close, I'll probably still do it from time to time. I got in a habit of holding both the front brake & clutch levers in while I drop the side stand. Not a fix, but at least I won't stall it again (like I did once with a whole bunch of people pointing & talking about the "great new Pan Am").
Nice Boots from Gville FL
Yep, wore them for the whole Iron Butt Rally in 2021. I cover them in the "Harley-Davidson/Rev'It Adventure riding gear unboxing" just after the 16 minute mark.
I don't feel for the marque and price point that the side stand issues should have made it past QA testing, but maybe it was an internal struggle to get the lowering feature to work across all use cases and this was their compromise. Will be interesting to see how HD addresses these design issues in subsequent versions of the PA.
No doubt it was a compromise. Harley was doing a lot of different things with design, not just motor as a stressed member (new for Harley) but adaptive ride height (new for everybody). You're right - it will be interesting to see how this evolves.
Good!
Did you have your TSD reprogrammed yet?
Just Asking because asking,
You have great informative vlogs and maybe this could be your next.
Thanks Jim
In the soft ground I just put a thin block of wood under it. Worked for 1/2 century ! / The size of a 45 single.
That's a good idea on regular Harleys, and an even better idea on ADV bikes like the Pan Am or the F800GS I had. For some reason they put smaller kickstand pads close to the bike, which increases the PSI. It might be OK for the pavement, but these bikes weren't made for the pavement.
Been may decades since I owned a 45, though I still have William Van Dyke's "I'm a Nomad" on 33 1/3
How do you do the center stand alone without dropping the bike?
I just posted a video showing how I use the centerstand:
czcams.com/video/KQnpqeracjw/video.html
The next problem is when the bikes loaded with a lot of gear and you're on any kind of slanted road type. Its a bitch.
Hi Jim on the special is the ARH standard or an extra in the 21-23? Tks
Both of my Specials came with it, I thought that was part of the Special package (but I could be wrong).
@floridajim No the adaptive suspension is standard, the adaptive ride height is an option that is 800 dollars more. I ordered the spoked rims as an extra. I should have taken the bike with the original rims and then went to the part's counter and ordered the spoked rims.
This way I would have had an extra set of rims for the same price.
Thanks. Bill
My issue is when parked on a slanted surface and using the footpeg as a stepping point to get on the bike. I'm 6'1" but it's too hard to get a leg over from the ground and impossible with a tail bag on. That kickstand is too short and it seems like the bike is gong to tip trying to get on.
I've experimented with a few different ways to mount, some successful, others not. One left me bruised & limping.
What tyres have you on ? Thanx in advance.
Michelin Anakee 3, my main tire for long distance riding. They are what you see stacked up behind me in the last video I posted.
thanks for the tips!! can i please ask what your height is for reference?
5'8"
Do they make those boots in high heels? Asking for a friend.
Harley doesn't, however Rev'it (the company that actually makes them) actually took the time to get input from women ADV riders and makes riding gear that actually fit women riders. I saw ADV boots, but not with high heels.
I just put the side stand up before I get on the bike, this with the power off. If you need the bike to drop a bit to aid in getting on and you have ARH, then after putting the side stand up, switch the bike on and get on and ride ;-). For getting off, I do the same as you suggested in the video, that is put it down when the bike is off, I have not needed to 'pump' the shocks beforehand.
I think pumping the shocks will vary from person to person, and even bike to bike. I noticed mine occasionally started dropping quicker after I passed 9,000 miles - maybe the shocks are worn in now.
Hero here😊
Nice, I was gonna cut it shorter :)
I have lowered my Pan America 4 cm and now I can hardly get it on the jiffy
Or you can get on and off like Bret Trakks :)
Man that fuel pump sounds iffy for only 14K miles….
And it turned out it was.
Harleys lack modern technology. Harleys first to have ride adaptive suspension. Go figure
The old fashioned Harleys were a marketing decision which actually made their engineers work harder. Anyone can meet 2022 EPA standards with a modern engine, it's a whole different problem to meet 2022 EPA standards with a couple of cylinders pulled out of a WW1 biplane.
Useless tech tip mate. I don't see what the problem is with leaning the bike to the right, pushing the sidestand forward. I had to do that with my Lowrider for 35 years. I don't understand the point of this video. I've had a Pan Am for 4 months, I ride eveyday, I've never dropped the buke due to the sidestand. I have a wider foot on mine, so no problem on soft ground either. Your solution is flawed, as you are still leaning to the right, and I don't see a problem with leaning to the right to get the sidestand down or up.
For me the bike is tall. I had a shit ton of camping gear on it for a recent trip. With that extra weight, tipping the bike to the right was sketchy as hell. I had to muscle it a lot to keep it from going over. Also with extra weight it squatted more. So if I was on any kind of incline I had to really lean it right to get the kickstand up.
I love my Pan America, but the side stand sucks. Being bolted into the engine case is not a good idea. I don’t dare step on my foot pegs to mount the bike. I am heavy and afraid of breaking my engine case. I live with this stupid side stand but I don’t like it. Harley could have done better. A steel member from the frame could be used to mount a better side stand.
I agree, with your comment, but it will hold your weight without issue. I've even seen the bike spun around on the side stand.