Indeed. The trad catholics have a point that their liturgy culture that created so many saints in the past should be protected and preserved. Pope Francis seems threatened by the TLM. Punishing your members for loving rich and profound liturgy ie TLM does not seem very on point for Catholicism.
Not everyone, but a lot of people are being driven into the SSPX (a group whose canonical status is complicated and murky) and sedevacantism (which is explicitly outside of Catholicism proper) because of this decision. Even those who haven't moved away from normalized communion with Rome are questioning the validity of Pope Francis. I don't agree with that sort of thing personally; Francis is the legitimate Pope whether people like it or not. But, I understand it.
@@JonaMonteverde That only came into existence at the Council of Trent. Before then, there were all kinds of local, vernacular, and beautiful liturgies which have since been lost.
I converted to the Roman Catholic Church in 2021. The Church is strong when we keep the mass traditional and don't try to change with the times. I enjoy Mass because it is so different than the outside world. Side Note: I have read through the Book of Mormon (going back through a second time), the entire "Saints" series, Rough Stone Rolling, and I listen to a bunch of LDS podcasts. Our LDS brothers and sisters have a lot of things correct. I had an LDS friend come over a couple nights ago and we talked about the BOM and Joseph Smith for 2 hours. In my opinion, there are a lot of similarities between Catholics and members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.
In my middle teens I began to notice doctrine points I could not agree with in the protestant church I was raised in. The clergy was unable to answer my troubling questions. In high school I began several years of visiting other churches to find answers. I even attended a few new age groups and followed a street preacher. My favorite church visiting experience was the Catholic church. I loved the reverence, ritual and symbolism. Still lacking answers and quite saddened, I finally gave up. My search was not in vain, however. Each of the churches and groups I attended helped increase my love and gratitude for God. In time an employer introduced me to missionaries from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. As they taught me, they answered each question I had. After study, fasting and prayer I decided to be baptized (53 years ago. 😊
I enjoyed this so much! I am a lifelong (and committed) member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, and I grew up in Cache Valley, Utah, where we had very little exposure to members of other churches. (Though, most of my adult life I've lived outside of Utah, so I of course grew to love the diversity of faiths.) I love that in many pockets of Christianity, people's faith is increasing. Those churches that adopt philosophies of the world seem to dwindle, unfortunately. Keep these good videos going!
Dave, St Therese Church in Alhambra has a beautiful Latin Mass at 1:00 every Sunday, with Norbertine priests celebrating. The choir is heavenly. God bless you and your LDS brothers and sisters.
Thanks for sharing this. I am a Latter-day Saint, and have gone to Catholic Mass quite often this past spring, in support of a nephew who has recently become a Catholic. It was at a very historic and grand cathedral in Vancouver, Washington (Proto-Cathedral of St James the Greater). Though they have one Sunday Mass service in English, they also still have one in Latin. Even in the English service, some of the hymns are in either Latin or Greek. I much prefer the Latin Mass and enjoy the mixture of songs, some in Latin, some in Greek and some in English. One of the things I like about the Latin Mass is its historical nature, and I am a lover of all things historical, also am fascinated by ancient languages and the history behind them. Though I have no intention of becoming a Catholic, I very much enjoyed the Mass services, particularly the ones held during the Easter week. It also helped me to understand and appreciate the members of that faith to a greater extent than before. My nephew also prefers the Latin Mass, and he also much prefers the old historical, grand cathedrals like the one we attended. However, with overall active Catholic parish attendance declining, they are having to consolidate some parishes and there is talk about selling this grand old cathedral, mainly due to high maintenance costs. He is not happy about that idea, and I also think it would be a real shame. In attending the services there, I did notice that most of the attendees were non-Hispanic, and definitely the average age is of older folks, with not many younger families with children, though there were some. There is a Vietnamese congregation though that has their own Mass in Vietnamese at a different time on Sunday, as there is a significant Vietnamese population here amongst whom are a significant number of Catholic members. My nephew is also not happy about the modern trend to do away with the Latin Mass, and he has spoken about how there are many in his new faith that agree with him. I think many of the newer and younger members, as you noted, are preferring the more historical Latin Mass, and I can see why. I'm looking forward to your attendance at one or more of the California historical missions. I grew up in CA and so learned quite a bit about that history in school when I was a child. The town we grew up in was near one of the old missions, just a bike ride away. That is a very interesting part of California history. Thank you so much for your ongoing contribution to fostering good will and understanding and appreciation between the different Christian faiths, especially coming from your new perspective as a fellow Latter-day Saint :)
In 1970/1971 I almost converted to Catholicism. The liturgy was in Latin, it was reverent and 'special'. Then the services changed to English, I was not in line with what I now understood, a heavy worship/reverence seemingly more towards Mary/the Holy Mother rather than Christ, the fact that the priest REALLY liked wine, AND the services were held in a neighborhood movie theater on Sunday, but the rest of the week showed X-rated movies. It was a huge turn off, lost the little reverance that the Latin liturgy provided. Two short years later, I joined the LDS Church and haven't looked back. ❤ your channel!
Aw, this is good points! The Latin Mass could be provoking emotion in what participants think they know what’s going on… where as when it’s in their language they actually understand what they are saying.
As a cradle Catholic re-vert I can say the Traditional Latin Mass has been instrumental in my reversion. God bless the FSSP and other traditional orders.
I was very impressed and had (holy envy?) Of how Brian Jacques interweaved Catholic elements into his literature. Sure Martin being a patron saint and all, but the feasts, many of the names, and at least the ordinance of a Christening in "The Taggerung". I'd love to be able to do the same with my own Faith as well (LDS).
Very interesting observation about the political affiliation of the members of these churches. I appreciate your efforts in showing the history and the positives in your videos. ❤
The Latin Mass is the best encounter to worship God I’ve ever encountered. It takes about a month or two to get accustomed to it. But it truly changes your soul. That’s why it has lasted 1600 years.
Same here! I'll have a future video on that railroad chapel car. It's lined up for church #18, though was told they may hold a service during the summer. I need to see if that would happen, but even if that doesn't pan out, it's a fascinating sliver of American church history.
Loved watching your journey this past year and a half, David. As always, another great video with some great insight. I love the rich tradition involved with Latin mass. You mentioned on Ward Radio, the idea of visiting various LDS wards. Along that line, the next time you are in Utah, you need to visit a Tongan LDS ward. There are so many in Utah, you won't have a problem finding one. I won't ruin it for you with details, but I think you will find it very interesting and well worth it. Please go and video it, I think you and your audience will really gain from it.
Very interesting. I have attended several Catholic funerals. Never a Catholic mass. As a latter day saint, I find other faiths so interesting. And the history provides a broader understanding. Thank you for sharing.
My family and I attended Latino Mass in Santa Fe, NM Palm Sunday when we were there over spring break. It was mixed English and Spanish and the service started in the plaza with the Anglican and Lutheran congregations. Mass and the Endowment have a very similar feel too me.
I had no idea there was actual restrictions on Latin mass! This doesn’t surprised me that there is such a divide and also that there is a divide among political lines. The Hispanics communities are deeply rooted in traditions. The conservative republicans are as well. So it makes sense that they would want to keep the traditions of Latin Mass. That’s where they feel the Spirit of the Lord most. The Catholic Church has such long standing, firmly rooted tradition and services I can see where the new pope changing things feels wrong to them. But on the other hand, white Americans and democrat leaning individuals are looking for change. They see things as too restrictive and outdated. So the changes are likely welcoming to them. I am not Catholic. However, I absolutely love learning the Latin meaning of words and phrases. They always bring such a deeper meaning to it all! Along with Hebrew, Greek, all ancient languages have a beautiful poetic way that can speak to a soul in a different way! For me, I think it’s sad when traditions change. I see need for it for sure in certain times. It’s many times change that bring me closer to Christ. So I can’t really form a real opinion I guess, but I can definitely feel both sides of this when I hear about it. 😊❤
People want god to change to make them feel more comfortable in their sin. The Bible, therefore God, asks us to change to become more comfortable before God. God’s people change for him, Satan’s people ask God to change for them.
@@dcarts5616 I agree with that. It’s Christ that changes us, not us that changes Him. The Gospel is perfect. We are to love everyone though. Whether they fully understand Christ and His gospel or not. So I always try my best to understand both sides.
@@morganfabrizio The gospel is being changed. These seemingly small called for changes will lead to tangential doctrine changes. As Catholics watch their pope weaponize empathy in line with the world weaponizing empathy, it hits them a certain way. That’s all I’m saying. Also, people not aligning with the gospel while people defend the gospel as non-socially popular as it might be, is not being unloving. There’s a very sneaky effort to convince us that disagreement means lack of love. We’re not falling for it.
It’s not a Hispanic thing. My Latin mass church is all white young families. Pope Francis opposes catholicism and is pushing false doctrine through a new church which Bishop sheen called “the ape of the church”. They have the buildings but not the faith.
The restrictions don't really apply to FSSP, ICKSP, or IBP as they were set up with for Tridentine mass. It is more a restriction of the diocesan TLMs. This was affirmed by Pope Francis after some priests of the ICKSP asked for information related to Traditionis Custodes.
Not yet… Francis has been trying to take us out also. He keeps flirting with it. Even still, it’s not right to deprive Catholics of Catholicism. This is the Catholic mass for 15 centuries.
It's his stance on the family that is causing the schism I think, if he would make a more firm stance on the importance of the traditional family and the law of chastity, perhaps there would not be such disdain among Catholics towards the pope. I have one catholic friend who I'm close to and that's his issue with him. But at the same time, I see Catholics more motivated than ever to worship. I grew up catholic and for the most part, church was an after thought. But things are changing in the culture within the church.
Hi. I watched your other video where you wanted to listen to Bishop Barron and you mentioned shia LaBeoufs conversion. This is the primary reason why he converted Just wanted to drop that info here. God bless you ❤
In the Catholic Latin mass, the movements of the priest are all prescribed in detail, as well as the ringing of bells during key moments. That's how people were (and I guess still are) able to follow the mass, even if they didn't know a word or even a syllable of Latin. They didn't understand many of the words, but knew by the gestures and movements of the priest where he was at in the ritual. The Latin mass that you attended wasn't 100% "traditional" if the people in attendance were vocalizing responses. The usual tradition was for the altar servers to make the responses on behalf of the people who remained silent.
@@user-je5ib5nv8u The Council of Trent was conducted in the 16th Century, I'm old, but not that old. But I do remember the Latin masses when I was a kid and the introduction of English languages masses back in the early 1970's. I'll take your word for it that modern masses like that which David attended are ordinarily "dialogue masses"
Think of this, the Latin mass communities are BOOMING with young families (myself and my family being one) as the new age mass dwindles in numbers. Yet as we increase, pope Francis keeps pushing us out we aren’t allowed to have mass in churches anymore. In france they did mass on the steps of a church. Or in the woods. In my church we do it in a basketball gym. So while the new counterfeit church has all the buildings, we have the faith. Now ask yourself, any organization (college, hospital, business, etc.) if your numbers were in freefall but you had one unit that’s growing rapidly, would YOU turn the screws to shut down the growing arm? This is clearly a spiritual war of good and evil. Pope Francis is on the side of Satan to crush the faith of the faithful. It’s very bizarre to be part of.
I went to several Latin masses with friends-pre Vatican 2- and I remember I was given a veil type thing to wear. I noticed in your video that many ladies had veils. But at the local parish I have visited for funerals/weddings etc. No veils. Obviously could understand it in English. That Latin mass was more impressive. Might feel differently if I were Catholic.
While not so obvious Latter-day Saints at least in Utah tend to vote Republican as there is a correlation between traditional family values and political affiliation and TLM communities also reflect that albeit it is more of a private matter
Very interesting. I don’t have any friends who are Latin mass attenders but my mother did sometimes with her cousin when she was in her teens. I have watched a Trad Catholic channel on yt by accident and his name is Dr Taylor Marshall. He’s very interesting and learned in the trad Latin masses. I don’t share his beliefs obviously but I find it very interesting.
@@52churchesin52weeks wow! That’s amazing. He is very passionate about the Catholic returning to its traditional Latin Mass. Love your channel and the respect you give to other faiths and traditions.
This topic reminds me of the Tyndale Bible translation story. The Catholic Church didn't want the people to have the Bible available to them personally, and he paved the way to make it available to way more people, right? I'm not Catholic, so maybe I'm missing the point of keeping it in Latin, but I kind of feel like it's fruitless to go to a worship service in a language you don't understand. In the Bible, when they wrote about speaking in tongues, they said it would be pointless unless someone could interpret so both could be edified together. I think this is kind of the same. People should understand what they're listening to and participating in. But if you understand Latin, go for it. I would just assume most people don't. I don't think forcing people to get away from Latin is good either, I just don't think Latin would be as effective for preaching the gospel and worshipping for most attendees.
I enjoy your videos but I’m concerned that you are so new in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and it seems that maybe you aren’t attending church in your ward. I hope you will try to go to your Ward often so that you will have a community around you. There is power and strength for our end times. You are awesome and your journey has been so inspirational.
That was a concern for me as well. With this round, it's been very strategic in terms of church visits to promote unity with the St.. Jude fundraiser, but also want to be at my local ward as much as possible. So far since my baptism three months ago, I've missed two sacrament meetings. If out of town, still trying to attend the nearest ward if possible.
Actually the new mass (Novus Ordo) was the rebellious one against the original it is just like Taiwan vs. mainland China regimes the rebel has become the ruler 😊
Latin as a form of every day communication does not exist. It is used in religious liturgies and linguistic studies, but other than that, pretty much no one speaks Latin these days. It was the language of the ancient Romans, but devolved into the Romance (from the word Roman) languages, which would be Spanish, Portuguese, French, Italian, and Romanian for the most part.
Are the restrictions on Latin Mass causing a RIFT within the Catholic Church or not? Let me know below, would enjoy hearing your thoughts.
Indeed. The trad catholics have a point that their liturgy culture that created so many saints in the past should be protected and preserved. Pope Francis seems threatened by the TLM. Punishing your members for loving rich and profound liturgy ie TLM does not seem very on point for Catholicism.
The rift is caused by clerical abuse. The Latin Mass restrictions are just an artifact of that.
Not everyone, but a lot of people are being driven into the SSPX (a group whose canonical status is complicated and murky) and sedevacantism (which is explicitly outside of Catholicism proper) because of this decision. Even those who haven't moved away from normalized communion with Rome are questioning the validity of Pope Francis. I don't agree with that sort of thing personally; Francis is the legitimate Pope whether people like it or not. But, I understand it.
Only the Holy Father Pope Francis and his associates feel threatened a unifying force and a common heritage of the church of Western civilization
@@JonaMonteverde That only came into existence at the Council of Trent. Before then, there were all kinds of local, vernacular, and beautiful liturgies which have since been lost.
I converted to the Roman Catholic Church in 2021. The Church is strong when we keep the mass traditional and don't try to change with the times. I enjoy Mass because it is so different than the outside world. Side Note: I have read through the Book of Mormon (going back through a second time), the entire "Saints" series, Rough Stone Rolling, and I listen to a bunch of LDS podcasts. Our LDS brothers and sisters have a lot of things correct. I had an LDS friend come over a couple nights ago and we talked about the BOM and Joseph Smith for 2 hours. In my opinion, there are a lot of similarities between Catholics and members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.
@zachdavis7536 Thank you for sharing your incite, I've read the BOM several times it's a treasure for sure.
In my middle teens I began to notice doctrine points I could not agree with in the protestant church I was raised in. The clergy was unable to answer my troubling questions.
In high school I began several years of visiting other churches to find answers. I even attended a few new age groups and followed a street preacher.
My favorite church visiting experience was the Catholic church. I loved the reverence, ritual and symbolism.
Still lacking answers and quite saddened, I finally gave up. My search was not in vain, however. Each of the churches and groups I attended helped increase my love and gratitude for God.
In time an employer introduced me to missionaries from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. As they taught me, they answered each question I had. After study, fasting and prayer I decided to be baptized (53 years ago.
😊
I enjoyed this so much! I am a lifelong (and committed) member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, and I grew up in Cache Valley, Utah, where we had very little exposure to members of other churches. (Though, most of my adult life I've lived outside of Utah, so I of course grew to love the diversity of faiths.) I love that in many pockets of Christianity, people's faith is increasing. Those churches that adopt philosophies of the world seem to dwindle, unfortunately. Keep these good videos going!
Dave, St Therese Church in Alhambra has a beautiful Latin Mass at 1:00 every Sunday, with Norbertine priests celebrating. The choir is heavenly. God bless you and your LDS brothers and sisters.
The Norbertine are great
Thanks for sharing this. I am a Latter-day Saint, and have gone to Catholic Mass quite often this past spring, in support of a nephew who has recently become a Catholic. It was at a very historic and grand cathedral in Vancouver, Washington (Proto-Cathedral of St James the Greater). Though they have one Sunday Mass service in English, they also still have one in Latin. Even in the English service, some of the hymns are in either Latin or Greek. I much prefer the Latin Mass and enjoy the mixture of songs, some in Latin, some in Greek and some in English. One of the things I like about the Latin Mass is its historical nature, and I am a lover of all things historical, also am fascinated by ancient languages and the history behind them. Though I have no intention of becoming a Catholic, I very much enjoyed the Mass services, particularly the ones held during the Easter week. It also helped me to understand and appreciate the members of that faith to a greater extent than before.
My nephew also prefers the Latin Mass, and he also much prefers the old historical, grand cathedrals like the one we attended. However, with overall active Catholic parish attendance declining, they are having to consolidate some parishes and there is talk about selling this grand old cathedral, mainly due to high maintenance costs. He is not happy about that idea, and I also think it would be a real shame. In attending the services there, I did notice that most of the attendees were non-Hispanic, and definitely the average age is of older folks, with not many younger families with children, though there were some. There is a Vietnamese congregation though that has their own Mass in Vietnamese at a different time on Sunday, as there is a significant Vietnamese population here amongst whom are a significant number of Catholic members.
My nephew is also not happy about the modern trend to do away with the Latin Mass, and he has spoken about how there are many in his new faith that agree with him. I think many of the newer and younger members, as you noted, are preferring the more historical Latin Mass, and I can see why.
I'm looking forward to your attendance at one or more of the California historical missions. I grew up in CA and so learned quite a bit about that history in school when I was a child. The town we grew up in was near one of the old missions, just a bike ride away. That is a very interesting part of California history.
Thank you so much for your ongoing contribution to fostering good will and understanding and appreciation between the different Christian faiths, especially coming from your new perspective as a fellow Latter-day Saint :)
In 1970/1971 I almost converted to Catholicism. The liturgy was in Latin, it was reverent and 'special'. Then the services changed to English, I was not in line with what I now understood, a heavy worship/reverence seemingly more towards Mary/the Holy Mother rather than Christ, the fact that the priest REALLY liked wine, AND the services were held in a neighborhood movie theater on Sunday, but the rest of the week showed X-rated movies. It was a huge turn off, lost the little reverance that the Latin liturgy provided. Two short years later, I joined the LDS Church and haven't looked back. ❤ your channel!
Aw, this is good points! The Latin Mass could be provoking emotion in what participants think they know what’s going on… where as when it’s in their language they actually understand what they are saying.
David - You are gifted to research and speak about a religion that you aren't and never have been a member of.
Much appreciated, try to be as respectful as possible.
Thank you, I love learning about other Faiths. Keep up the good work.
As a cradle Catholic re-vert I can say the Traditional Latin Mass has been instrumental in my reversion. God bless the FSSP and other traditional orders.
I was very impressed and had (holy envy?) Of how Brian Jacques interweaved Catholic elements into his literature. Sure Martin being a patron saint and all, but the feasts, many of the names, and at least the ordinance of a Christening in "The Taggerung". I'd love to be able to do the same with my own Faith as well (LDS).
God bless the FSSP. They don’t have the buildings but they have the faith. I’m thankful to be part of
Always love hearing about Catholicism.
I love what you do David!!!
Very interesting observation about the political affiliation of the members of these churches. I appreciate your efforts in showing the history and the positives in your videos. ❤
Love your work.
I love and look forward to your videos :)
Thank you, David. Personally, I feel the Spirit very strongly during the Catholic mass. Some of my favorite recordings are of Requiems.
The Latin Mass is the best encounter to worship God I’ve ever encountered. It takes about a month or two to get accustomed to it. But it truly changes your soul. That’s why it has lasted 1600 years.
I actually loved your short about the “Choo Choo Church”, you should make a video about it’s story I’m very interested
Same here! I'll have a future video on that railroad chapel car. It's lined up for church #18, though was told they may hold a service during the summer. I need to see if that would happen, but even if that doesn't pan out, it's a fascinating sliver of American church history.
Well, howdy to you too, brother.
Loved watching your journey this past year and a half, David. As always, another great video with some great insight. I love the rich tradition involved with Latin mass. You mentioned on Ward Radio, the idea of visiting various LDS wards. Along that line, the next time you are in Utah, you need to visit a Tongan LDS ward. There are so many in Utah, you won't have a problem finding one. I won't ruin it for you with details, but I think you will find it very interesting and well worth it. Please go and video it, I think you and your audience will really gain from it.
Very interesting. I have attended several Catholic funerals. Never a Catholic mass. As a latter day saint, I find other faiths so interesting. And the history provides a broader understanding. Thank you for sharing.
My family and I attended Latino Mass in Santa Fe, NM Palm Sunday when we were there over spring break.
It was mixed English and Spanish and the service started in the plaza with the Anglican and Lutheran congregations.
Mass and the Endowment have a very similar feel too me.
I had no idea there was actual restrictions on Latin mass! This doesn’t surprised me that there is such a divide and also that there is a divide among political lines. The Hispanics communities are deeply rooted in traditions. The conservative republicans are as well. So it makes sense that they would want to keep the traditions of Latin Mass. That’s where they feel the Spirit of the Lord most. The Catholic Church has such long standing, firmly rooted tradition and services I can see where the new pope changing things feels wrong to them. But on the other hand, white Americans and democrat leaning individuals are looking for change. They see things as too restrictive and outdated. So the changes are likely welcoming to them.
I am not Catholic. However, I absolutely love learning the Latin meaning of words and phrases. They always bring such a deeper meaning to it all! Along with Hebrew, Greek, all ancient languages have a beautiful poetic way that can speak to a soul in a different way! For me, I think it’s sad when traditions change. I see need for it for sure in certain times. It’s many times change that bring me closer to Christ. So I can’t really form a real opinion I guess, but I can definitely feel both sides of this when I hear about it. 😊❤
People want god to change to make them feel more comfortable in their sin. The Bible, therefore God, asks us to change to become more comfortable before God. God’s people change for him, Satan’s people ask God to change for them.
@@dcarts5616 I agree with that. It’s Christ that changes us, not us that changes Him. The Gospel is perfect. We are to love everyone though. Whether they fully understand Christ and His gospel or not. So I always try my best to understand both sides.
@@morganfabrizio The gospel is being changed. These seemingly small called for changes will lead to tangential doctrine changes. As Catholics watch their pope weaponize empathy in line with the world weaponizing empathy, it hits them a certain way. That’s all I’m saying. Also, people not aligning with the gospel while people defend the gospel as non-socially popular as it might be, is not being unloving. There’s a very sneaky effort to convince us that disagreement means lack of love. We’re not falling for it.
It’s not a Hispanic thing. My Latin mass church is all white young families. Pope Francis opposes catholicism and is pushing false doctrine through a new church which Bishop sheen called “the ape of the church”. They have the buildings but not the faith.
Very cool
The restrictions don't really apply to FSSP, ICKSP, or IBP as they were set up with for Tridentine mass. It is more a restriction of the diocesan TLMs. This was affirmed by Pope Francis after some priests of the ICKSP asked for information related to Traditionis Custodes.
Not yet… Francis has been trying to take us out also. He keeps flirting with it. Even still, it’s not right to deprive Catholics of Catholicism. This is the Catholic mass for 15 centuries.
It's his stance on the family that is causing the schism I think, if he would make a more firm stance on the importance of the traditional family and the law of chastity, perhaps there would not be such disdain among Catholics towards the pope. I have one catholic friend who I'm close to and that's his issue with him. But at the same time, I see Catholics more motivated than ever to worship. I grew up catholic and for the most part, church was an after thought. But things are changing in the culture within the church.
Hi. I watched your other video where you wanted to listen to Bishop Barron and you mentioned shia LaBeoufs conversion.
This is the primary reason why he converted
Just wanted to drop that info here. God bless you ❤
In the Catholic Latin mass, the movements of the priest are all prescribed in detail, as well as the ringing of bells during key moments.
That's how people were (and I guess still are) able to follow the mass, even if they didn't know a word or even a syllable of Latin. They didn't understand many of the words, but knew by the gestures and movements of the priest where he was at in the ritual.
The Latin mass that you attended wasn't 100% "traditional" if the people in attendance were vocalizing responses. The usual tradition was for the altar servers to make the responses on behalf of the people who remained silent.
maybe before council of trent ive never been to a latin mass were the people dont respond
@@user-je5ib5nv8u The Council of Trent was conducted in the 16th Century, I'm old, but not that old. But I do remember the Latin masses when I was a kid and the introduction of English languages masses back in the early 1970's. I'll take your word for it that modern masses like that which David attended are ordinarily "dialogue masses"
Think of this, the Latin mass communities are BOOMING with young families (myself and my family being one) as the new age mass dwindles in numbers. Yet as we increase, pope Francis keeps pushing us out we aren’t allowed to have mass in churches anymore. In france they did mass on the steps of a church. Or in the woods. In my church we do it in a basketball gym. So while the new counterfeit church has all the buildings, we have the faith. Now ask yourself, any organization (college, hospital, business, etc.) if your numbers were in freefall but you had one unit that’s growing rapidly, would YOU turn the screws to shut down the growing arm? This is clearly a spiritual war of good and evil. Pope Francis is on the side of Satan to crush the faith of the faithful. It’s very bizarre to be part of.
I went to several Latin masses with friends-pre Vatican 2- and I remember I was given a veil type thing to wear. I noticed in your video that many ladies had veils. But at the local parish I have visited for funerals/weddings etc. No veils. Obviously could understand it in English. That Latin mass was more impressive. Might feel differently if I were Catholic.
While not so obvious Latter-day Saints at least in Utah tend to vote Republican as there is a correlation between traditional family values and political affiliation and TLM communities also reflect that albeit it is more of a private matter
Very interesting. I don’t have any friends who are Latin mass attenders but my mother did sometimes with her cousin when she was in her teens. I have watched a Trad Catholic channel on yt by accident and his name is Dr Taylor Marshall. He’s very interesting and learned in the trad Latin masses. I don’t share his beliefs obviously but I find it very interesting.
Same here with accidentally bumping in to Taylor Marshall's channel. He seemed like a unique voice within Catholic circles.
@@52churchesin52weeks wow! That’s amazing. He is very passionate about the Catholic returning to its traditional Latin Mass. Love your channel and the respect you give to other faiths and traditions.
This topic reminds me of the Tyndale Bible translation story. The Catholic Church didn't want the people to have the Bible available to them personally, and he paved the way to make it available to way more people, right? I'm not Catholic, so maybe I'm missing the point of keeping it in Latin, but I kind of feel like it's fruitless to go to a worship service in a language you don't understand. In the Bible, when they wrote about speaking in tongues, they said it would be pointless unless someone could interpret so both could be edified together. I think this is kind of the same. People should understand what they're listening to and participating in. But if you understand Latin, go for it. I would just assume most people don't.
I don't think forcing people to get away from Latin is good either, I just don't think Latin would be as effective for preaching the gospel and worshipping for most attendees.
I enjoy your videos but I’m concerned that you are so new in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and it seems that maybe you aren’t attending church in your ward. I hope you will try to go to your Ward often so that you will have a community around you. There is power and strength for our end times. You are awesome and your journey has been so inspirational.
That was a concern for me as well. With this round, it's been very strategic in terms of church visits to promote unity with the St.. Jude fundraiser, but also want to be at my local ward as much as possible. So far since my baptism three months ago, I've missed two sacrament meetings. If out of town, still trying to attend the nearest ward if possible.
Actually the new mass (Novus Ordo) was the rebellious one against the original it is just like Taiwan vs. mainland China regimes the rebel has become the ruler 😊
Is there still a large Latin speaking population?
Latin as a form of every day communication does not exist. It is used in religious liturgies and linguistic studies, but other than that, pretty much no one speaks Latin these days. It was the language of the ancient Romans, but devolved into the Romance (from the word Roman) languages, which would be Spanish, Portuguese, French, Italian, and Romanian for the most part.