Should you expertise Sargon? [best talents and pairs] Rise of Kingdoms
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- Should you expertise Sargon the Great in Rise of Kingdoms? Sharing the best talents and pairings.
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0:00 Should you max Sargon?
1:12 Why consider Sargon
3:03 What about 5550
4:08 Sargon's downsides
5:23 Battle Reports
8:20 Should you prioritize Sargon?
16:37 Sargon Talents
20:44 Summary
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Chisgule, do you know if sargons 2 stacks from the expertise have the 8 second cooldown on as well? Or does the cooldown only counts for the extra stack while using a shield?
Having three Inf marches as shown at 16:01, I think Alex/Harald, Guan/Scip and Sargon/CJ are better pairs.
I personally would go with 1.Guan/Leo, 2.Scipi/Alex, 3.Sargon/CJ
i do run:
guan and alex
scipion and martel
nevsky and ysg ( thiking if work in joan p or sargon)
Happy Holidays, Chisgule! Keep up the great work into 2023! :)
Hey man , can you test him in rally ??
TIER MAKER BABYYYY! Thanks for the shoutout :)
When you comment before the rok CZcamsr😂😂😂😂😂😂
Appreciate you keeping us informed while you're away spending time with the family. Love the commitment. Happy Holidays, Chis.
Hey Chis, glad I could help!
Here we go, we all have been waiting. Tysm for this, Chisgule. Keep up the great work! :)
Thank you for creating contents for us even while on the road! I always can’t wait to watch your videos!
These videos with you traveling brings me way back to the days when you first started.
Hey Chisgule! Appreciate your effort and dedication to us by making these videos, even while traveling.
I'm an Infa main and a low spender and the more I look into Sargon, the more I think he's a skip for me. The way I see it - you should be running a max of two Infa marches. Alex is a definite must max, Scipio is a definite must max. You don't HAVE to max Guan but you probably will end up close to it. Unless you have a max Martel (which is going to take a LONG time if you're just getting him free from gold keys), you now have a Guan that needs a partner. Leo is a cheap, time-tested back up to Guan and saves you a TON of sculptures, that you can go invest in your Boudica Prime to pair with your YSG.
Then you slowly work on your Nevsky + William march. William is viable at 5511 but best value is 5551. Obviously we're still talking about a long time here (at least a few years) but then you're looking at Guan + Leo, Scipio + Alex, Boudica + YSG and Nevsky + William.
Thank you for the valuable insight. I have to make a decision on my third march so this helps a lot 🙂
I'm glad that we are out of kvk, I can just wait for your other videos/experimentation with sargon before I can take and max him. Also looking forward for you to pair him with maxed honda and tariq if possible. God bless, Chisgule!!
best video you ever made! ❤ the section with which commander you should priorize is great 👍🏼
Infa main here. I still remember in one of the developer letter, it said for some weird balance purpose they never release super awesome infantry commander, but they said now it is finally the time.
Well, I was expecting something like Nevsky or Boudica level or maybe even more. Definitely not like this. ☹
Sorry man!!!!
But he is good enough
Sargon is good
Sargon/Scipio destroyed everyone else including all Boudica marches, all Nevsky marches even (Nevsky/Joan P) was defeated by this march.
Sargon/CJ was similar results. But Sargon/Scipio was stronger.
Саргон сильнее невского ты что курил?
What about the blockade system, where the targets aren’t running away, they just go forward? Would that make Sargon better?
Sounds is obviously not as good quality as in your studio, but it is MUCH appreciate that you take your holiday time for us !!
Many thanks and happy holidays !!
Question, didnt know where else to ask. Delete if not allowed but...Does Minamoto 50% Barb damage work on KvK passes when they are first unlocked? Thanks.
If you didn't have pakal CJ or Harold what would you pick as a 3rd pair of inf when inserting Sargon.
Based on the initial livestream I was so excited so I maxed him immediately. Kinda wished I had waited. Buyers remorse….not as bad as my Edward buyers remorse but hey….
I have scipio expertised and my guan with leo “both max” , should I work on sargon to have scipio /sargon or finish my honda which is 5541 ??
Guan/Scipi
Harald/Martel or sometimes Alex/Harald
Bou/YSG
Nev/Willia
Trajan/Mulan
Arte/Tomy
would sargon be nice replacement for alex or martel to pair with harald?
Have good holiday with your family chisgule ! 🤓🤓🥰
what about expert sargon's skill 4? it says it does 1k damage. Does it deal 1K damage to all targets that have accumulated 10 stacks?
About why Freddy and Scipio's DOT(extra damage) doesn't trigger the debuff. It is because their damage starts from "next round", but Guan's 4th skill starts at current round.
In the battle log, additional skill damage are shown as Defection or Withered effect not as direct damage and Sargon 2nd skill only stacks on direct damage. Even though Freddie and Sargon have the same skill description, in the battle log, Freddie inflicts Defection on normal attack whereas Sargon deals direct damage on normal attack. Somehow Guan's 4th skill is not a Defection effect but it's direct damage so Guan's 4th skill can stack Awed.
if you use him 5550 how does it work when other players are running a maxed Sargon on the field?
So if i have Scipio, Guan, Alex and CJ, all max, and soon will have Tariq and Sargon, how should i make my 3 infantry pairs?
Would it be better if Im using Scipio as primary and use support tree cage of thorn?
If I’m using Scipi maxed with Mehmed, should I still consider Sargon?
Do you exp both Sargon and Tariq to do rallies test ?
Can you do a new inf pair tier list?
Chisgule, what if I'm running only one infantry march: Scipio/Alex with Alex not being maxed (5/1/1/1), should I do Scipio/Sargon or stick with Scipio/Alex? I.e. is the benefit of having Sargon over Alex worth giving up the heads I spent on Alex?
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I'm actually an infantry player. i'm thinking about which commander i should do next with expertise. for open fields. I have guan scipio and alex with expertise Sargon doesn't seem like the best Or there are many different opinions I'm considering taking a cavalry march. Joanna or nevsky but my cavalry equipment is not very good. tell me your opinion 😅
Hey everyone,
IT was said that New commanders will launch every 6 to 7 month from the new infantry generation, does anyone know if this is a sure thing?
CJ increases skill damage 5% for every 4s into battle. This is why CJ is strong with Sargon. Please double check, CJ is actually a very strong skill damage buff.
I love CJ. Everyone sleeps on him
If you haven't seen yet, Jan's 3rd skill, which clears enemy buffs, can completely eliminate Sargon's active skill which is a buff to himself
Next, please also test tariq for openfield test with various pairing.
@@brewokstore2868 i know, that's y i wrote "next"
anything about flav/sargon as single target garrison in passes ? comparing to flav/scip ?
Sargon's 2nd skill triggers only when direct damage is dealt. Additional skill damage like Scipio's 4th skill are shown as Defection or Withered effect in the battle log, these effects does not count as direct damage (These effect will trigger Flavius' silence). Freddie and Sargon has the same skill description but in the battle log, Freddie inflicts Deflection effect whereas Sargon is direct damage, that's why Freddie can't stack Awed (And yes, Freddie can trigger Flavius' silence but Sargon can't). As for Guan, somehow his 4th skill does not inflict Defection effect and is counted as direct damage.
I've done tests with Sun Tzu, his 800 damage is direct damage so it can stack Awed but his 200 additional damage is a Defection effect so it can't stack Awed but it did trigger Flavius' silence.
so pair him with harald, and your sargon will be swarmed less too.
What about Sargon/Leo? Seems like a good combo on paper. Leo does AOE, makes the march more tanky and rage acceleration
How much better is Sargon Scip over Sargon CJ? Is Guan Scip/ Sarg CJ better 1,2 than Guan Alex/ Sargon Scip
I have Guan 5255 with Leo 5511. I got Alex, Scipi and Harald Maxed, which one do I want to max to make it 3 infantry pairs and how should I pair them? Still don't know yet :/ But still good video 👌
I would max Sargon and then go Guan/Leo, Alex/Harold and Sargon/Scipio
Will Harald's Stamford Bridge apply a stack of Awed?
will new servers get the Christmas event if anyone can answer would be great because our server still has not gotten it!
I have guan , Joan prime, nev , Scipio expertise . William 5552, xy 5525 , boudica prime 5551 , Ysg expertise , I too am going for Tariq in mge. I have martel expertise also . Should I expertise sargon / tariq??? My account is 1300 days low spender . My 5th March if I field one is saladin 5551 expertise cc . Or expertise alex and Mehmet 5523
If you have Scipio primary you can max Cage of Thorns and get 25% AOE march speed reduction!
Hey chisgule, have been talking to sargons Expertise skill a lot with my alliance members and now the question would be the following:
Is the attacker in a swarm situation getting the debuffs also or is just the one march that Sargon is attacking getting those stacks of awed. We do have 2 interpretations - 1. normal attacks aren’t including counterattack dmg cause it’s a different kind of thing or 2. does the counterattack include the normal attacks as written in the skilldescribtion.
If the second would apply it would be insanely op cause just throwing Sargon into the murderball would be a mass spreading like the corona virus was with his debuffs and awed stacks.
Would love to hear a reply from the chief of rok videos himself ❤
Thx big love and shoutouts for your content!
I think they tested that, when the aoe hits enemies, they will get a stack of awed as well
Sorry I’m not the big chief, but I am the purist from the streams/video.
The expertise does work as you described in the second interpretation, meaning that troops attacking Sargon get the double/triple stack even if Sargon is not directly targeting them. This is further improved if you use a secondary that has AoE skill damage.
Hope this helps!
😱😱😱 you have cheok up on your list? should i still work on him if i dont have him already? huhuuhuhuhuhu
Everyone says it's good in the 1vs1 solo confrontation only but it's bad in the hit and run is that right?
That's not a great way to analyze commanders though. The only two who are actually good in "hit and runs" are Attila and Pakal. Of course enemies running away will impact Sargon, just like it impacts 98% of the other commanders trying to fire off active skills and missing.
I have a question hoping someone can help can you spend for one commander but switch it at 45 spins to change it to grab the 10 a guarantee unlock for another looking to grab scipio and then Saigon or guan
Yes if you change commanders then the boxed rewards change too.
My 3 Guan-cj scipio-sargon harald-alex.
tariq do you think he will be more useful in open than sargon?
I think Tariq will be okay in open field although not in guan or scipio level
If AOE triggers the awed wouldn’t YSG be good with him?
I know need to work on William or Joan instead of Saigon... thanks alot bro
There is a kraken named RB Winter in 2928 on kvk 1
Would guan / honda & sargon / scipio be good as 2 inf march?
Guan cpo. Sargon honda seems better
Chisgule, I have question this is crucial for me especially for infa main who is still gonna be the best 1 infa march overall? guan/Scipio or Sargon/Scipio??
guan scipio
Guan/scipio overall
Nice
Plan to run guan/scip Sargon/cj and Richard/alex Richards slow may become more useful for Sargon
When you say Joan prime and William are higher priority than Sargon, should Joan and William be maxed? I have Joan 5425 and William 5551. Are they done?
I would probably finish Joan before starting Sargon.
Appreciate the critical thinking when some people have put out videos that probably made a good amount of people waste heads.
Really wanna see how Honda goes before deciding between Honda or CJ.
Honda is a better investment hes more versatile
This video gives me OG chisgule videos vibes. Great info, but still confused on whether I should prioritize or not. 😩. I currently have Guan/Leo and Scipio/Alex. I don’t want to do Guan/Alex too squishy.
yeah I feel guan and Leo, scipio and sargon. rather than guan Alex..
I got guan leo/ scip alex(best reports always) martel harold. Was hoping to swap martel out but i think ill take my 550 heads and finish 5551 boudica P and nevsky 5533!
@@gideonsim9245 that’s what I was thinking, just keep leo.
@@danielkiersnowski4297 definitely finish Nevsky and Boudica.
How does Sargon/Alex go in the field? Does Alex proc skill damage make a stack of awe? Their joint March speed boost must make it easier to stay connected for Sargon's damage over time?
Honestly saragon Alex works, but idk if they tested that, sometimes for me it seemed saragon works better with Alex than Scipio prime
It works really good actually
Chis you made one mistake here 16:11.
Sargon and harald have one big ptoential. Harald hits his skill A LOT and it is aoe if swarmed. So in some sense it has the potential to spread stacks of awed on a stupidly large number of enemies.
Besides that, as i mentioned in your earlier videos, sargon must be paired with honda secondery for the slow imo.
I’m trying to figure out the 3 pairings but don’t have all the same maxed. I have harold, guan, Alex, skip, Leo, and planned on the new commander
Probably, Guan/Leo, Alex/Harald, Scipio/Sargon.
He’s good but honestly I am just keeping my guan scipio lol as my best inf and I will just keep doing my Nevsky I have him really like really close to maxing lol
It's worth to pull on Univ heads ysg just to expertise ScipioP? The new Xmas update has free commander reset, so I considering some things as f2p.
Thats only for new accounts (15days or newer)
wow, what a lame update. Ty for info
Why guan alex over guan Leo..???
Hello buddy I have a request for u
Can u try elemental craft and give us some review plus advice on it it's basically same as rise of kingdom
CHISGULE! Have you tried Sargon and Tomyris as a pairing
So I have decided to go for specializing more infantry because I have more commanders like Richard 5551 Charles martel 5514 also I have 2 refined leg item the chest and pants with Def Stat so it's very good also I saw that Rome has special unit with base Def increased so the Def buff would be higher to other troops
Right now ai have Scipio exp with Alex 5551 then guan 3111 pairing with Richard and as 3rd Inc March I was looking for harald because I got so much defense with special unit and equipment but if he don't get many kills idk would prefer sargon/martel?
I have nevskj and William also Saladin but joahn of arch can wait since I'm not using special cav unit
Normal infantry unit Def 192 legionary 202
200%def bonus with 192 is =384. With legionary is 404 I'm looking t4 but still a 20% Stat difference
With France for example the best thing is to push with health equipment or commanders
If you want awed stacks 5550 seems the way to go because they never get removed? Def want to see some testing on that.
Tested, theory busted. If somebody has 5551 Sargon he will hit with that additional dmg. You must be the only one useing Sargon to make it work.
I'm looking forward to testing the new infantry commander from MGE from you, bro 😘
I guess it’s back to guan alex and second pair would be sargon scipio 😂
skill damage that is caused by % chance of normal attacks don't trigger the Awed debuff. because on the logically, those are just boosted normal attacks.
Does Sargon really need to be primary? Or can he be secondary to scipio
I feel like in a murderball if hes 2nd it's going to take awhile to get his 5 second skill damage off. Time enough to get swarmed down. Who knows though for sure just my thoughts.
@@brandynharter23 cause scipio has a ton more passive march speed reduction in an aoe in his talents and also rejuvenate, and people swarmjng him will get the awed too
Poor Richard the first🤣
Would be funny if they released a commander that's viable 5550 as, never getting the 4th star and NOT unlocking the last skill in the 1st place.
👍🏻
Im inf main, and I was expecting something more than a Fredrick prime.. but I think you guys are sleeping on this guy. Hes 2nd or 3rd best inf cmd and im sure he will be the best for inf rally but not the best for field like scipio but he is still good. Tariq and Sargon is coming for that Zen Flav garrison
Make a vid on top inf march.
hi chisgule!
Looks like Sargon was doing well being the primary
what about in arks?
Chis, how would you pair Guan, Alex, Scipio and Sargon?
Imo Guan / Alex kinda too glass so idk
@Terry Nguyen I have been thinking about doing these pairings
Guan Alex, Sargon Scipio
You wanna do Guan/Scipi and Sargon/CJ obviously
GY/Alex and Scipio/Sargon 😃
Richard/Sargon. Lots of AoE debuffing, good tankiness, and decent damage. Has it been tested? 👀
We did test once with it, thought it was OK but otherwise not noteworthy when compared to other pairs.
Zero march speed though.
Does CJ expertise skill apply sargons debuff ?
I’ve heard yes
yes
idk i'm using guan/alex scipio/cj and i'd feel awful replacing cj that i maxed after alex but it may actually be the play ..
guan/scipio sargon/cj sounds really good too hmm but i use 5 marchs... won't i miss alex debuff?
My martel gotta go!😅
Sargon, The Humbler!
And people say Alex needs a relic to be viable, both Chis and Irisden put him top 4 infantry priority.
He provides infantry troops 70% attack for the majority of time, 30% march speed (which is crucial for inf due to being so slow), shields himself and others, provides a 30% all damage debuff to 3 enemy troops. Pound for pound one of the GOAT’s of infantry commanders. Sure he’s lost a lot of ground due to power creep, ultimately making him a glass cannon, but with confirmed museum buffs coming in the near to distant future all he needs is some health.
He is 4th infantry. There is also archers and cav so he is on the bottom list
Guan Sargon, Scipio Tariq 2 new best infa marches
Chisgule I think you are wrong about priorities. Max Scipio/Sargon 5511 already performed better than Scipio/max Alex. I think Sargon is also better than Guan, even in open field.
Any tests with Sargon/Honda?
It’s a great combo
Much obliged 🤘🏻
How about Guan + Alex / Scipio + YSG?
i used it before i maximized sargon. Scipio is fine when paired with ysg, triggers a lot of damage but the pairing is like glass canon. Guan and alex are also fine, guan's max skill is triggered based on alex's shield and of course this pair is fast for infantry
Sargon Flavius need to be tested as garrison. Garrison disables Sargon's 4th skill but keeps expertised skill. It looks quite sick on paper
yeah im not going to invest in Sargon. my current pairs are Guan/Scipio, Harald/Alex, Nevsky/Joan, Saladin/william, Boudica/ysg. So im just going to horde and wait for nev cav commander to hopefully replace Saladin instead
Sargon is not a bargain reading the skill jargon 😅
Day 1 of asking for Trajan/Barca
What do you all think is better?
Scipio + honda
Scipio + sargon
Sargon scipio
Now that he's here and you've done some testing, I'll ask again and see if your opinion is still the same...
I have....
5245 Guan / Max Scipio P
5551 Saladin / 5551 William
5511 Nebu / Max YSG
Max Trajan / Max Aethel
Max Alex / ? (I currently use 5514 Martel if I want to send out a 5th march.
I have 700 gold heads.
I have a half-decent second inf set.
Do I......
- Max Sargon and switch to Guan/Alex and Sargon/Scipio?
- Max Nevsky and switch him in for Saladin?
- Max Boudica P and swap her in for Nebu?
I am so damn confused and can't decide on what to do next!
Definitely max nev no questions asked
Nevksy/William, you will get so many kills with this pair in murder balls by far.
Max nevsky
They said he nerfed
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