Director Speaks 4: Ile Ife and the Benin Kingdom
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- This is the fourth installment of our series "Homage to Africa" on the splendors of African Art. In this lecture, MMAC Director Rafael Chacón speaks about the sacred Yoruba city of Ile Ife and its importance as the source of the founding myths of Nigeria's great medieval kingdoms, including the celebrated Benin Kingdom that rose to power in the 13th century.
This is my heritage. My ancestors were taken from this kingdom brought to CUBA in the slave trade. We still practice the IFA religion. This culture is connected to Egypt. Yoruba oral tradition says we come from the Nile Valley probably Southern Egypt Northern Sudan. The religion is very similar. My father did his DNA and found he was a descendant of Ramses III. Proud YORUBA descendant here
Great! But that narrative about Yoruba origin from Nile valley is wrong. Everything started from Ground Zero, and thats why Ile-Ife is within point zero point on the latitude and longitude (equator). Even this modern Ife, where this arts are derived from is much younger than the more ancient Ife, which was more to the north of Nigeria and were same people of the Nok Culture.. Compare the artwork at 13:21 to a Nok Culture terracotta displayed in the link below, 2nd from left on front row. Nok was around 1000 BCE.
www.google.com/search?client=ms-android-tmus-us-revc&sca_esv=576113405&sxsrf=AM9HkKnISPSmoq36mAdQIVmT7yxGSSq27g:1698156157035&q=nok+culture,+museum&tbm=isch&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjZ94zU7I6CAxUFrmoFHdY9D0AQ0pQJegQIBxAB&biw=384&bih=677&dpr=1.88#imgrc=eoshO1_n-iP_dM
If you are taking about the history of yoruba say it not Benin bcux they are both different
Brilliant submission 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
This man is looking for cheap popularity.
He should go and do some good research about the historical past about these people in Nigeria.
The family of Benin are, esan urhobo isoko and iksekiri
They are even more than that..
Itshekiri?? 😭😭😅 This is crazy. Itshekiris are yoruba that speak a yoruba language. Ask them themselves or research online what language itshekiri is. They all migrated to warri from different parts of yoruba land don't be delusional
@@toyosioyejobi309Itshekiri language is a mixture of English, Yoruba, Igala, Benin and Urhobo, so rest, even Awori people have mixture of Benin in their language!
@@Roy_MO I hate it when people just say whatever comes to their mind without thinking or without proof especially nigerians. You literally don't have any concrete evidence for this yet you're so confident.
Itsekiri language is an indigenous yoruboid language. It wasn't magically formed in a lab from different ingredients. It borrowed elements from portuguese and English later on and very little of bini. You should be the one to rest.
Awori dialect of yoruba has absolutely nothing of benin borrowing. Instead it's benin who has heavily borrowed yoruba language and unlike you my proof is in the benin dictionary where about 30% of words are of yoruba etymological roots.
Cope!
@@toyosioyejobi309 First of, my mum is Itshekiri. I was born and raised in warri!
Now what is Yoruboid?
Even the essence of unifying all south west state by creating a central identity but with a name given to y’all by Fulani, not just any name but a name that was a slur against Oyo people describing them in a condescending manner. “Yariba” the word Yoruba never existed in any South West state prior to the Fulani giving you people that identify.
I speak Itshekiri to some extent and there are more Igala words in it, than Yoruba but because the yorubas were more powerful, educated and closed proximity to Itshekiri, they influenced that language as “Yoruboid” If 2 Itshekiri people speak their native tongue you’d barely understand a dime but an Igala person would understand to some degree.
Now, there are many Japanese words similar to Urhobo and Benin, also the Japanese former capital is called “Edo” so should we say we influenced Japanese culture or language? Especially with the fact that we never hard any contacts with them until the 90s.
Because similar words appears on dialects or languages doesn’t mean anyone influenced anybody especially when there are no evidence to support such callous rhetorics.
Ife or Oyo never had any recorded contacts with Itshekiri until 18 century, that was already 200 years after Benin established monarchy system there with a title Olu of Itshekiri.
Awori has a distinct Yoruboid with a lot of similarities to Benin than any other yoruboid and that’s a fact, such could have been influenced by Oduduwa, since he was their revered leader and a Benin prince.
Let me ask a question what year did oduduwa come in existence
The Yoruba people people has been in Ile Ife before Oduduwa came,the time Oduduwa came is not irrelevant because Oduduwa met the Yoruba people in Ile Ife.Oduduwa has no relationship with Benin either
Ile Ife has the had close to 94 kings before Oduduwa became the king.
Please sir before British highnext Lagos was Lagos part of oyo or Benin
The Benin’s existed beyond the 10th century, get your facts right man
Ife is older than Benin,get your facts right
You lot don't know how to comprehend, they said the ogisos came in 10th and the oba dynasty in 12/13th century century not the benin people. Listen properly
Hey man you so disrespectful all the information or history are lies and i just want to give you fact about Benin Empire.The Great Benin empire existed before the Yourbas and the Benin own the land of Yourba territory such as Lagos, Ondo, Ado Ekiti etc and what we call Lagos today is know as Eko and it is related to Edo and in Benin language meaning of Eko is Camp and oduduwa is a Benin prince who the chief priests told oba to kill to restore peace to the land of benin and the oba agree and when they wanted to kill him in the forest he was begging them not to kill him and if they leave him, he will never return to Benin again and the soldier let him go and kill animal in the forest and use the blood to mark their cutlass as envy to show the oba that they have kill him and that is how he was run inside the forest and get to a village of the Yourbas and he was dress like a prince and that was when the Yourbas call God's sent and crown him as their king and it taught him 16 year to learn the Yourbas language and at the time when Benin was having no king and confused they heard about oduduwa they knew that it was the prince that was not kill and that was when they went to meet him in Ile Ife and beg him to come back to Benin and be the oba and he was old at that time and he can't walk miles back again and he sent his son to Benin to be the oba of Benin and please try to get your information right and stop discrediting and disrespecting our culture. The video link below is what our oba said on the day he was crowned as oba. czcams.com/video/EPFuOlZSfM4/video.html
Hello my brother please can you tell me the name of man that created igodomigodo land?
I mean the first king of igodomigodo ogiso dynasty thank you.
Writing absolute nonsense. Insecure people all you know about is supremacy. You ruled yoruba land?? Lmao. You barely defeated this towns and most of them defeated amd chased you away plus the yoruba oyo empire was far larger than you you apparently forgot about that in your summation and no one cares about what your oba said, oduduwa is not a benin name he's a yoruba person from ife its the your a that knows his history, it's not benin that will tell yoruba who oduduwa is, the problem with you lot is you can't eras that your king is a descendant of Oduduwa of ife so you twist it that oduduwa is from benin which is actually laughable. Before 1970 revisions there was nothing like that in benin or ife. Your kings respected ife and the ooni. Most of them even buried in ife
Benin or igodomigodo have been existing 7 centuries
Oduduwa haven't existing deen
Ife existed before oduduwa and by the way the bronze from Ife existed before the ones from Benin,because it was an ife craftman that taught the Benin people how to sculpt these images,so don't mix history,Ife has existed thousands of years before the creation of Benin kingdom,you can corrobate this in the report of Herodotus,I hope this makes history clearer to you,thanks
@@temitopegbolahan7006 that is a lie
It your cake let me eat my bread,,,, ife didn't teach Benins are to make bronze,,,, it was oduduwa that we no don't no if ife exist talkless of teaching Benin are to make bronze
@@tzkerryrankypella5432 You dont even know your own history,how can you argue my own tribes history with me,go and research first who brought bronze craft technology to Benin,because it was noted in Benin history not in Yoruba history,research and come back,and research the existence of ife also,and read oduduwa history on Wikipedia,that will help you to know Oduduwa is from ife,the history you have heard about yoruba before is called myth and that Benin also has myth,like stories of the world starting from Benin,everyone has such myth,even the Greeks,but real history is what am debating about not myth
All this google history you are following.go back to IFA it will tellyou the history of your ancestors.oduduwa are two different entity,the one God send to earth that birth all of us,and the one that came from Meka who changed his name and enslaved ur ancestors,cos I hardly head any meaningful story about the Meka oduduwa
@@suleshzulesh3770 You are ignorant of history,I read historical books not just Wikipedia,and both of what you just said now is a myth,how do you expect Oduduwa to come from heaven,does that make sense to you?
Mr in Nigeria they are more than one ife know to so more people who know history
Please, kindly take off line this misinformation. Ife was never a kingdom. Rightly put Benin and Ozo were empires or kingdoms. What has come to the fore are the lies perpetrated by early Yoruba educated elites. It has been established that the first king of Ife was called Obatala and not Oduduwa. Oduduwa was a stranger and never founded Ife. The story of Oduduwa being the progenitor of the Yoruba race is a mere imagination of Yoruba scholars because the people were not called Yorubas at the time of Oduduwa. Until now the question of what the people were called then has not been answered. The only link between Ife and Benin is the kingship and not the people. Why the Benin’s believed that Oduduwa was the Banished Prince but the Yoruba believe that Oduduwa defeated Obatala to become their king. Secondly,Oromiyan was sent to Benin by his father Oduduwa to his ancestral home Benin because his was old and already a king when there interregnum in Benin kingship. Oromiyan was never the first divine king of Benin. The first kings of Benin were called Ogisos which was the first dynasty of Benin kings. Oromiyan was of the second dynasty of Benin kings called Obas. Please kingly visit Nigeria and the different parlance’s to get your facts correct? Because in Africa the king is the custodian of the story of the kingdoms and not the lies told by scholars due to their earlier western education. In order to correct these lies and falsehood earlier told by these scholars the Benin kingdom has written a book called ‘Benin Anthology”. Thanks
Writing absolute nonsense. Isn't it amazing that alI that was written of benin and ife account is suddenly wrong but 1970 new revisions are correct. The story of ekaladerhan was written down he died in ughatan but in 1970 he magically became izoduwa and then oduduwa lmao. You say yoruba historians but we have edo and Europeans writing from benin sources and at this time no single oba could come and correct this 😭😂 and even ife sources. Isn't it crazy the yoruba had so much power in influencing westerners but the same westerners when they talk about the glory abut benin the yoruba didn't influence them then?? 😂🤣 You lot are crazy. There is absolutely no record of Oduduwa from benin. Obatala wasn't the first king of ife you idiot, he was the last of a previous headship practiced before oduduwas people from oke ora a community of ife defeated Obatala and united all the communities into one entity, he then sent his sons and grandsons to spread that system in many lands around ife. I mean isn't it crazy that you will claim that the yoruba are lying about the history of their own person oduduwa but you benin will know about him more simply because your monarchy is connected and who ever said the people are connected. The video clearly states its the monarchy so stop arguing a strawman here
Very insecure people, the problem with you lot is you can't eras that your king is a descendant of Oduduwa of ife so you twist it that oduduwa is from benin which is actually laughable. Before 1970 revisions there was nothing like that in benin or ife. Your kings respected ife and the ooni. Most of your kings are buried in ife even
You people think because the current dynasty is yoruba that means yoruba is more superior?? Stop being insecure and delusional please and accepted the fact. After 800 years the current king is fully edonized regardless of where is ancestor came from 800 years ago. Stop distorting history because of insecurity.
The title of their king is omo n oba nedo meaning the Son of the King in edo. That was a title for eweka because his father was a revered king in ife and later oyo. Check the praise names of their oba has him praised as the son of oodua and the Son of adimula and ikeja oosa all yoruba appellations. Even ewuare had ogidigan which is a yoruba word meaning big, hard, great. Olokun worship and sango and ogun worship all coming from yoruba land again. Your people even bear omo in their name. Omo is a yoruba word. There's a separate word for child and even king in edo. Ogiamen or ogie is king in edo language. You can't claim oduduwa even the nupe and igala say oduduwa is from them which is all laughable 😅
Can't you see you people are shameless, let's say your nonsense revised story is true 😭😅 you exiled one singular prince who was welcomed by ife people after like 3-4 generations the descendants have become full yoruba and you then come back shamelessly to tell one of the numerous descendants to be your king?? Don't be dull please
Also, Explain to me why akenzua 2 was comfortable amongst the 5 paramount chiefs of yoruba land in a meeting in the 1930s??? He was also no 3 in hierarchy with the ooni of ife leading the meeting sitting in the centre. Stop capping abeg 😅 before erediauwa your kings were proud of their yoruba ancestors
Please let us Tell our history our self, benin is not for ife but the opposite
What do you mean by opposite ife thought you all this
@@temitopegbolahan7006 We are opposite with absolutely nothing in common..We share less than 2% language and that is because of coexistence...We are not related
With all due respect, you are absolutely wrong about The great Benin Kingdom, please get your fact right.
Lmao he's not wrong. The funny thing about you benin people's tantrums is because yoruba was mentioned you are all going crazy meanwhile all he said was what your current oba said which was oranmiyan a son of Oduduwa was the father of eweka who began the current dynasty so what exactly is the problem. The izoduwa/ekaladerhan nonsense you people spew wasn't even adressed so why are you angry. He talked about the bronzes and all everything he said is very accurate. You can't even pinpoint yourself what he got wrong
@@toyosioyejobi309 my brother are you not aware when the Oba of Benin addressed the Oba of Ile Ife as his son? Please check your facts
@oluwatishe Mr Smart mumu man, can you please lecture me the meaning of Oba in Yoruba language? How old is Oyo empire? Are you not aware when the present Oba of Benin addressed the Oni- of Ife as his son? Are you not aware when the oba of Lagos said that the oba Benin is his father? All these are there in CZcams for you to watch before coming back to me. I don't need a half baked historian white man to tell me my history. Get back to me after watching the highlighted facts I suggested to you. Have a good day.
@oluwatishe Oyo empire was founded in 13th century why Benin kingdom was in 11th century, the Ogiso dynasty was 40 BCE to 11th century and, Igodomigodo was the name of Benin empire. I asked you a simple question, what is the meaning of Oba in Yoruba language ? Ododuwa came into existence in the 12th century. The meaning of oba in Benin language is the shining light. Izodowa (Ododuwa) was a Benin prince that was exiled but the yoruba said he fell from the sky. Please........
@oluwatishe your mumunesss is of the highest level. I asked what is the meaning of Oba in Yoruba language and you answer obatala, I never said Oromiyan lived for 300yrs. Ogie means king in Edo language and Oba means the king that shine, Ogie are mostly use for dukes in Benin. Mumu man
Benin kingdom doesn't share anything related to culture, neither was anyone migrated from ile ife to Benin kingdom. Though the two kingdoms share ideas and artworks.
Ibo man, you no go dey your lane now. Go search your Ibo history from Israel that had long rejected you
@@AIupcloseDon't mind him... 😂😂
At the end of the day the truth will always prevail long live OBA of BENIN..
Oba of BENIN said I therefore stand before you as a direct son of oromiya son of ododowa to whom the benin know as ikaladarha our self exile Prince who became ruler in ile ife.... Our OBA says all this in the present of ooni of ife, ooni didn't say anything because that was the truth... Yoruba you people should continue bankrolling people just to spreading your propaganda and y'all knows the truth
Or you people think by sending a white man to give false narrative will close the truth God you people are so desperate
There was no such thing
@@temitopegbolahan7006 type/ the full history of the origin of "ododowa"/ OBA of BENIN...
maybe this might convince you of what am saying
@@omorotionmwandavid7878 I know it,a simple read on Wikipedia will help you know he's from Ife,now I also know about the myth of him coming from Benin,middle east and heaven,pick and take your choice,but let's analyze the Benin claim,have read a lot of history but not a single one where an historical figure has to change name 3times,and those names does not even match in anyway nor is there any reasonable story behind the name change.Can you explain for me how Ekerladehan becomes Izoduwa and then from Izoduwa to Oduduwa?where is the connection?if its a word corruption it would not have been called Oduduwa,it will be called Isoduwa,that makes more sense
@@temitopegbolahan7006 I have grow beyond that area okay! is what the society want you to know that is what they will teach you,
has a mature man I am I always think aside the box.
With the historical evidence I've gotten I now knows that false narrative have been given about the BENINS Since the birth of Nigeria. here you're telling me to go to Wikipedia which all the BENINS both young and old knows that your people have letter write Wikipedia and Google,
I thought you said there were no such video where the oba of BENIN utter such statements..
OBA GHA-TOKPERE ISĘEE 🙏🏿
This will be my last respond to you
I'm out of here
@@omorotionmwandavid7878 I said no such thing,am not referring to video,am referring to that narrative you are peddling,you claim Yoruba wrote to Wikipedia but you did the same,was it not your myth history that you put on Wikipedia as true history?,also you told me to type and when I eventually did that,you claimed,its Yoruba writing to Wikipedia,that's a big joke,anyway just so you know,Wikipedia allows each people to write their own history,so you can't distort history even if you want to,so Yoruba did not change your history,its still there on Wikipedia,we only wrote ours
Sooo you are to tell Afrikaans about their own history????
the comments here are so ridiculous. people who have never been in a history class and don't understand that history is based on research would just come online and say whatever they think
The Yoruba are in those Caribbean countries because they where sold to slavery by the Benins to the Portuguese and the British.
Before ife edo people who own Benin city have been there before oyo too so here do you get this life begins at ife from yuroba I believe do Igbo or other tribe say same note before oduduwa get to ife other tribe have been living like ogiso
Oduduwa met the Yoruba people and the throne in Ile Ife,there has been people ruling Ife as kings and Obas before Oduduwa came to Ile Ife but Oduduwa was the king who united the Yoruba people together and he was the most successful and powerful.When Oduduwa came Obatala was supposed to succeed the last king but the arrival of Oduduwa turned the whole situation around because before the arrival of Oduduwa Ife oracle has already revealed that a foreigner will be the next king if the people of Ile Ife wants progress in the land,it was not Oduduwa that made himself the king,the Ile Ife people obeyed the instruction of the oracle.Ifa Oracle directs the people of those days and elects kings and leaders back then,the people of those days also know the implication of not doing what the Ifa oracle said.Where Oduduwa came from is not the most important issue,the important issue is that the Yoruba people has been existing before the arrival of Oduduwa.Some of the art work the white man is talking about here has been produced before the Era of Oduduwa.Ile Ife existed before Benin and before Oduduwa that is bottom line,civilisation started from Ile Ife not Benin.Oduduwa was not the prince of Benin either.The Yoruba people have their language,tribal marks and tradition before Oduduwa came.The Yoruba tribal marks,tradition and language are different from the tribal marks,tradition and language of the Benin people,the Benin people should stop talking about the people they do not know anything about.Ife has been there before Benin
Oduduwa descended with chain to ile ife in his second coming. He was there with obatala during the creation in the first phase of ile ife know as ife oodaye, during this period only the 401 Orishas were in ile ife…. If u want to know more do ur research abt Yoruba mythology.
Fact checking: check this "itan yoruba" on youtube to know more about the yoruba people. Thanks
My own contribution to this is that the truth history between ile ife and benin needs to be review but we can help ourselves out if we can answer this questions 1,who are the ogiso dynasty and their root?
2,When was the igodomigodo land created?
3,what was the religiou of the people of igodomigodo land ?
4,What was the name of the
Ogiso crown called?
6,How was igodomigodo land created?
I believe if we can answer these questions right we will get the truth,lets forget about oduduwa because oduduwa history is every fresh and clear for the historians because it was just 1000 years ago.
Shame you don't even know these basic questions about Benin but yet you guys will be arguing. Should a Benin person give you the answer now, you will disagree, It is best you can get all this your answer from the Benin royal monarch book written by Oba of Benin, on sale on Amazon or book stores! Peace!
@@oyenmwenefevbeoghogho7978 Thank you my brother is very big shame can you please tell me the really answer .
@@sadebayo5428 I am NOT your brother or sister. Like I said earlier, you can get the answers from Benin monarch book written by Oba of Benin, all your answers are there because you will still argue it with me that is the Yoruba way- I must be right! I have it, over 500 pages, an eye opener!
@@oyenmwenefevbeoghogho7978 Ok thank you first am not here to argue about supremacy but to enlighten ourselves.First all the questions I asked I have the answer as a historian and researcher not as yoruba man or Benin man,secondly if you want to know the hidden information about yorubas and Benins go to Egypt,Greece , Portugal and Britain.I don't believe in any book written by any kings in Nigeria as a researcher most of the books written by our kings in Nigeria are purposely written to boost their throne and supremacy over other kings,even the number one history book of Nigeria that you will found in any countries libraries or in universities the book of samuel ajay,if you are a historian and researcher you will know that samuel ajay books reviewed many truth but also hidden many truth because he wanted to boost oyo over others because he was an oyo man.Let me give you one info go read Jacob's book his from benin and his one of benin historian that I respect alot because of the information I got from his book when I was making research on lagos and it environment.
Thanks for the book recommedation. If really are an historian or acedamic, you would know it is best to get the right straight from the right person because none of us know his family history than himself, he is the direct descendant, not you or me. Although some of your people claim it as if they are his biological father or they were there!🤣🤣
Benin is Not from ile ife
That is truy the yoruba lie about the story
Benin is not from Yoruba. stop propagating nonsense
Hahaha keep living in denial. We Yoruba have long time disowned you too.
No one said that! Benin is benin but the monarchy and the civilization is from ife.
But Yoruba has disowned bini since 😂😂😂
@@jaymanjay2835you're from Egypt which makes us the Isrealites you're been enslaving for thousands of years now that is why we want the Oba out of our land 😂😂😂
@@toyosioyejobi309My brother BENIN people nor like truth at all, The simple question i normally ask them is that all the idols they worship in present day BENIN came from where namely. Ogun, Sango, Orumila, Olokun, Esu, Ayelala. In addition like Ogboni, OPC came from where. And why is it that EDO people usually copy all our things
History can be twisted through history books but not through archaeological materials.The art works of Ile Ife and Benin has been examined by the archaeologists to know exactly how old they are.The story of this white man is from a reliable source because the art works were examined by professional archaeologists.The archaeologists don`t tell lies,they only state the facts base on their examination.This white man and the archaeologists who examined both Ile Ife and Benin art works don`t know either the Yoruba and the Benin people they are only saying the facts.The archaeological examination is the only way to know the real truth and the land that is older,it is better for the Benin people to shut up,white people are not telling lies like you black people on issues like this, the white people who examined the art works do not know both the Yoruba and the Benin people either.Base on this information Ile Ife is older than Benin.If you Benin people accept or not that is your business,the fact has been revealed
It would be better Ile Ife shut up too. How do you think Benin should be relegated by mere archaeological material dated back to the 11th century.
@@nmg1909 You Benin people should be the people who should shut up and stop making false claims and unnecessary noise,the Yoruba people are not the people responsible for the examination,the people responsible are international professional archaeologists,and archaeological materials don`t lie,there is no doubt that Ile Ife is older than Benin .There are other international examinations proving that Ile Ife is far older than Benin,apart from this particular archaeological examination or the issue of who is older between the Yoruba people or the Benin people ,the Yoruba people are too big to be compared with the Benin people in any aspect of life
@@robertsycing1954 Don't mind That nnamdi, he is not even a Benin, he is an ibo/igbo, They are Culture vultures
Ile- Ife gave birth to both Benin kingdom and Oyo empire.
Dreamer...Stop trying to claim greatness, go and claim your Fulani cousins!
You mean the Yoruba Kingdom on Nigeria
Bí irọ́ bá lọ lógún ọdún, ọjọ́ kan ṣoṣo ni òótọ́ yóò ba. / ✊🏽
The oldest Palace in yoruba is in ondo state,,,,, ondo is more older than ife according to my understanding
Not the entire ondo sir,some towns in ondo are older than ile ife according to archaeologists
They are both different,, language, and culture both different way of dressing different
Different people,that is true
Hw much money the yoruba paid u to lie this way?
Benin have been existing for over 2000 years ago
Ile don't have date or how he came about Benin have history how everything began
Does story they are saying most of them are lie
Yoruba av history because all Yoruba migrate from ile ife including your that Benin go to Togo Benin Republic an soo many speaking Yoruba country go an meet there king they will tell you that there forefather migrate from ile. Including your Benin 'how many people migrate fom Benin total noo" if you don't know history go an sleep if I may ask you a question can you please tell any idol (orisha)that came from Benin that Yoruba is worshipped total no even one but let can tell you more than 10 Yoruba orisha that from Yoruba that you people worship like ogun sango obatalla ayelala olokun an soo many are they from Benin all is from ile ife'you people too argue talk about oba there's oba in ile ife before Benin even before oduduwa' like obatala obalufon obaluaye obamiran there all rulling on there own territory's oduduwa is not even first oba in ile ife but the first oba of Benin is from ile ife 'I respect oba of Benin soo much I respect the throne of Benin because ile ife an Benin av a good history an good relationship am not from ile ife' why is everyday is about ile ife an Benin wy not with other's is because of relationship an history an you my Benin Kingdom people always insult yoruba but the ibo people that's trying to rewrite your history that you don't have anything common with you are trying to embrace them insuiting yoruba that that's don't even a time for nonsense argument let come together an make great' great ife great Benin Thanks
@@agbajeadetokunbo9584 u are wrong bro is saving gods make a relationship or make someon greater no. We are not relate we speak different language our culture is different,,,,,,, for example Jesus Christ is from Israel does that mean every Christian is from Israel
I don't want to argue with you
What I no is that
Benin is not yoruba
Yoruba is not Benin
And oromiyan is not the first king in Benin
31 Kings have ruled
Before oduduwa or oromiyan came
I want to ask a question who is the first king in ile ife
Oduduwa is note to Benin as their run away Prince go buy the book call Benin red book
Previous heads of Oba of Benin where buried in Ile Ife in a place called Orun Oba Ado, the practice what terminated due to be British invasion of Benin in 1897 and the Oba on the throne was banished
Stop lying, show us the evidence as there has been no prove. You realise there is also a place called Ife Kogi state? Yoruba give up your nonsense with your falling from sky rubbish.
@@oyenmwenefevbeoghogho7978 What more proof are you looking for? The same place your Oba of Benin has visited??? Don't be lazy and make your research. Even on this very CZcams you will get the answers
@@jaymanjay2835 So CZcams is what your tribe use to call research? See your head, Ile Ife that was built by Portuguese in 1543 is where our kings were buried from 40BC?😂😂 We want to see archaeological evidence, Our palace has denied this claim many times. You people should stop lying, you are not our relative's, you only trying to attach yourself to Benin Kingdom historical glories as Ife has none. Claim your Fulani cousins!
Yoruba, stop lying to the world, Oba of Benin throne was not banished, Oba Overamwen was sent on exile, died there and this son resumed the throne. I really hate strangers like Yoruba trying to tell Benin history, let Edo, Urhobo and others tell it not you. You are not part of our identity!
@@oyenmwenefevbeoghogho7978 You see why I called you lazy?? Who told you there was not archaeological evidence to back up the claim that previous Oba of Benin heads where buried in Ife? Hahaha it is the joke of the century to claim Ile- Ife was built by Portuguese. I will still refer you to the simplest place, your Oba of Benin(Ado) has gone to visit the site. Simple find it on CZcams. Of course palace of Oba of Benin will keep putting out other narratives out and we completely understand the pressure coming from the Ogiso/Ogiame descendants.
Ile-Ife established Obaship in Benin. They were lots of migrants that moved around the 11-12 centuries to the present day Edo state, the Usen people are migrants from Ile Ife as well. The Olu Awure or Alawure of Usen which you corrupted to Elawure are also parts of those that migrated with Oranmiyan. This are fact that are very traceable simple make your research and stop dwelling on propaganda😊
@@jaymanjay2835 Show me the link to the video where he visited the grave since you have it. I hope you are not going to show where Oduduwa or Oranmiyan was buried where he visited. We know Yoruba and lies very well.
Yes, your ile Ife was built in 1543, I bet they didn't tell you that most of you people were under Benin Kingdom empire for over 300 years.
British invasion gave you life and we can see it, stop trying to attach us to your nonsense.
dont say what you dont know
Note the war between Benin and British make them look and have nothing today e.g ask the main tribes of Nigeria yuroba,Igbo,falina what happened to the Benin nation that the city fight war with British when British creation of Nigeria and main tribes
The man is saying the truth,there is no reason for the white man not to say the truth,white people are not numbskull people like you Benin people arguing without having no knowledge .Oduduwa was not the only king who came to the world in a different way,the Egyptian history and history of other countries recorded the same situation,you Benin people also said your Ogisos are kings from the sky,so i see no reason why you Benin people are making too much noise about Oduduwa who has no relation with you Benin people at all,even before Oduduwa came to Ile Ife the Yoruba people has been existing in Ife Ife.You Benin people sent your prince out of Benin not to Ile Ife,the is no reason for Oduduwa to change his name in Ile Ife as well.Non of the children of Oduduwa including Oduduwa and Oramiyan can speak a word in Benin language,the first words Ewaka spoke was Yoruba words Owo mika the words which was corrupted to Ewaka.If Oduduwa actually came From Benin his children will be able to speak few words in Benin.Oduduwa was not the father of Oranmiyan as well.Oranmiyan was Oduduwa`s grand son of because the only son of Oduduwa was Okambi.Oduduwa has only one son
Where is oranfe in this history? My man u only know few. Remember Oranfe
Mr man you say what you read that is not true
What happened in 1897 was an interesting historical on forget able events the evil British force invaded Benin kingdom an establish kingdom with Portuguese colonial embarrassedor were working before British force invaded Benin kingdom today Benin has been put under a fulanis lslamic back ward military lslamic corrupt postitution element of criminal organization call one Nigeria may God almighty containue to bless Edo kingdom amen
The narrator has not proving anything about the Benin., he picked yorubas history. There were no reason for him to add bini in his chat l expect him to come back and cleared himself
The Great Benin Kingdom was Ruler by KinG OGISO the Land of Igodomigodo then and ife have no Ruler.. Please leave Great Benin Kingdom out of things issue because OGISO Owodo was the Father of oduduwa and Benin Kingdom have more down 20 something OGISOs before the Benin Kingdom prince ikaladerhan went to ife who became oduduwa
Don't say what you don't know
Please brother can you tell me the name of the first king in igodomigodo land I mean sligo dynasty please
@@sadebayo5428 is name was igodo, he called the people Igomiegodo
@@tzkerryrankypella5432 Thank you my brother,can you please tell me the name of igodo father and the name of his younger brother because he has a younger brother and they all came from somewhere and they didn't fall from heaven because they humans not spirit.
@@sadebayo5428 igodo during that time it was who is the oldest we be the king and other seven other cabinet will follow
According to the history igodo was the youngest of all due to the wisdom and the way he talk and advice in the meeting they now chose him as a leader
He call the land by his own name igodo, igodomigodo meaning the people of igodo have saw igodomigodo
@@tzkerryrankypella5432 Thank you Thank you my brother we all here to learn more about our history it's truth that he name the kingdom after his name because they are called igodomigodo before they've their own name before igodomigodo you can make research about the real name of edo people from root and concerning how he became the first king he fought a war against the people in of the community before he became their first king because is not from the community and he still help the community before he became their first king.My brother the history of Benin, yoruba and African as a hole is very clear all you need to do is to make research,let me give you one secret if you really want to know more about Benin people and yoruba people and ijebu people go to Egypt,Portugal, England and France.
please what is this man talking about...is he out of his mind or his trying to create an historical out of his mind..please who knows this man come and take him away from here
BENIN is not from yoruba that is not true
Even your oba confirmed his thrown is from oduduwa
@@ifeness24 nigeria can neven have peace on till yoruba and igbo bagger Edo state you guys will be crying very soon fulani we be president for life
@@ifeness24 igbo are from israel leave nigeria and go to israel
@@Mmtv489 mumu like u go and leain more
@@fimerasheed8097 you and your family is mumu you peopel destory Africa today by loss many of your history go and find out about your history and leave Edo state alone
If you don't know research
Ummm Benin is an Edo city not Yourba 🤦🏾♀️ I’m an American who went to public schools and even I know that
Tell them, because they don’t do proper research before coming to CZcams. Benin is a great empire of its own
It’s embarrassing 🙈 how I know this and I’m neither a expert or a Nigerian but the “ experts “ get it wrong? 😑
@@mikhailmaimoonahoward when talking about benin art and benin kingship you would have to talk about the yoruba as benin kingdom and the yoruba kingdoms were in the same region sharing knowledge and culture. The kings of benin came from the yoruba city of Ile-ife, and the artists of benin did as well.
that is why historians treat benin and Ile-ife arts in the same topic
it is such an eye opener to see how Benin people are so ignorant of history and react to anything that doesnt say "benin is the greatest" with such foul behavior. This video was actually meant to celeberate the benin arts and a little of it's culture but that flew over your heads simply because it wasn't exaggerated as you like to do. I saw someone say Benin had borders with Zamfara in the 13th century . lmao :D come on people
Border with zamfara is even good, i have heard these people say they created EDO Kingdom in far far far away Japan.
@@AIupclose lol all kinds of crazy things bini youths like to say
My question for the Yoruba people, who is the father of oduduwa and where is he from, this man presenting this video is lying.
This is not progressive discourse surrounding these sacred objects, can we talk instead of the repartition of these spiritual and historical records back? Now that would be riveting and not just reduce them into object'd art, museum pieces or academic treaties. Ta
How can benin came from ife so funny
Because it did come from ile Ife
Ifenez you're big fool
@@desdes6214 be civil. No need to insult
Benin is from Ile ife, that's why the first few kings of Benin have their heads buried in Ife.
@@burujdara7987 benin is Not from ile ife
obatala is the first king of of Yoruba land not oduduwa,ok..
Obatalas were not king
@@hsfilms695 you could've ask your elder whom carve Ade nla. Big crown
Obatala is only a myth... Oduduwa was the first king....
@@kaomalihm284 Na human being do am... Obatala might not even existed... It is just a myth.Every tribe have their own creation story..
The Oba of Benin used to pay homage to the king in Ile Ife which is the Ooni of Ife.
How did he pay homage? You are aware that Ooni kills 2 cows when Oba of Benin visits Ife, Ooni must also kill 5 black cows when he visits Benin Kingdom, why is that? Benin Kingdom doesn't have to kill anything. Why did you think Oduduwa kept such instructions? Keep deceiving yourselves!
Oduduwa was from Benin!
Stop your lies, Ancient Benin Empire of the Whole West African has long documented before Christ. You & yoruba, stop!!! Stop lies
Mali, Ghana and Shonghai Kingdoms of West Africa are well documented.
If anyone is lying, it's you. The king of Benin is called Oba- the yoruba word for king. Even the Oba of Benin recognises the close connection to the Yorubas.
@@oluapampa5075 Oba of Benin was the first to use the title Oba.. So I don't see how the word came from Yoruba oh.
@@hsfilms695 Yeah Right. You're deluded.
@@oluapampa5075 It's not about delusion here.. It's about historical proof.. Oba of Benin was the first to use the title Oba.. So you tell me the first Yoruba king to use it...
Great video, Ile- Ife gave birth to the Benin Kingdom and Ile- Ife civilised the Benin in Bronze casting.
Ile ife did not give birth to Benin Kingdom...That is absolutely rubbish!
@@oyenmwenefevbeoghogho7978 so how did Obaship started in Benin? You people just don't want to accept simple history facts with evidence right in your face.
Ile ife gave birth to no Yoruba city talkless of Benin. The only thing great about ile life is the affiliation with Benin. This art work ile life is carrying is all Benin empire.
TV hahahaha keep twisting history. Even your Oba of Benin stated clearly that every historians agreed that Oranmiyan came to the land Idu Igodomigodo and fought, meant a lad that gave birth to Ado whom is later called Eweka for Oranmiyan and he established Obaship in that land. We all know what the propaganda of the runaway price that Oba Erediauwa cleverly put in his book, just because the Aborigines of the land reminded him of the Obligation of Ekiokpagha treaty. So he distorter history to suit his narrative.
@@jaymanjay2835 Stop lying on Our Oba he never said that! Always deceitful! The video is on CZcams..Why does Yoruba people specialise in lies? He said Oduduwa was on exile in Igomigodo who later found safety at Ife...But he said for peace to rain, let Benin people let Yoruba believe what they believe and Benin Believe their own.
Ooni of Ife is the last person right now we Edo want to hear...we absolutely hate him...Evil man...Do you not see how he has planned with other evils people (arisco, Ooni and one governor) against our Oba, the case is in court in Lagos!
Oyinbo tun kowa ni itan wa.oga o.hmmm
That is not true
This man he sleeping wakeup frm ur dream, go nd look for a good job.
British did nor destroy any thing in oyo or ife nor do dey have business with ife and yoruba, Benin own ife
He’s done his research and mostly factual information here.
U don't know anything about our history u are only dishing out rubbish and propaganda please stop misleading people
Don't tell us rubbish about what u don't know.
What you read is not true yoruba lie about this
If that's the case, why is the king of Benin called Oba (King in Yoruba) ? Even the Oba of Benin has never denied the connection.
@@oluapampa5075 that is not your problem if you know that is truth come to BENIN and say that , youroba and igbo are one family we the south south are nothing to do with you Evil peopel who destory nigeria
@@oluapampa5075 go and look the own video when the OBA OF BENIN say udouduw is a son of BENIN king we BENIN don't have problem with that is only yourba who is looking for friendship to BENIN we Edo's don't like yourba and igbo go with your mumu fulian's
First off lie this analysis and it's map it's totally wrong. Let me educate this white man. In 14, 15 and 16 century Benin stretching all over the Southern Nigeria, have a borderline with Zanfara in the North, and borderline with Dauma now Ghana while Biafra to now Cameroon, in 17 centuries Benin were now known as Great Benin, there were more discovery such as the Bito, Camdrones later corrupted to Cameroon and the word Biafra is now Biasar, under it were the Gabou now Gambon, Congo etc . In same 17 centuries you now start to see Biafra gradually in the Nigrovm now know as Nigeria though this findings was highly criticize due to its inaccuracies published by German cartography Johan Homann, which led to a new map of Africa in 1805-1817, this map again had Benin, then bight of Benin stretching to Calabar and Biafra again was in present day Cameroon closer to Calbongo to down of Gabon, and Equator or Equinoctial line now Equatorial Guinea. By 1851, the gulf of Guinea was introduced, then Biafra still to Cameroon and Benin Empire. 1856, Benin now has a borderline with Kano, Calabar, Yarribah(Yorobas) so, Yorobas land was only given an account of from this age, their land which was farther closer to the North, and Dahomey. In 1880, Benin Empire Ado still very strong, but there come Lagos, Ibadan, Ibo, Igara, Bonny, and Biafra was still under Cameroon present location at this time the white men have divided Africa to however they seek fit. These was the last record given by Andriveau-Goujon J. Between 1832-1897. It's different when you contract in population of spoken language compare to talking about oldest Empire. If, you talk about old and greatest, it is hand down the Benin Empire starting from around 300 AD. Benin was a combination of different languages not one spoken language.
Which book this you read to get this fake history of yours, did the people that told you the history tell you that their ododuwa came from the sky in other for them not to accept that he was a prince from the great Benin kingdom that be came their king... we the Benins have the grave of Ododuwa father which happens to be our last Ogiso.. let them tell the world where their ododuwa was buried so that archaeologist can be invited to carry out a bone test on both to tell who is older among them and if they are related DNA will tell, if not the Yoruba should shut up.
you don't know the story of Nigeria
Why. Bcs your lie lie and fake history nor dey here
Who did you take permission from first Benin and Ife two different people please don’t change our history you don’t know noting about us you are reading from books written by by British lies sorry that is not correct ( British wrong)
You don’t know what you are saying ile ife came from the Bini’s, white man wan tell me my history I laugh 😆😂🤣🤣🤣
Bloody lie
You Are a liar 🤥 from the pit or hell you don't know what you are saying how can you say great benin is from Yoruba, Benin has in existence before Yoruba was found. Benin son is the one who ruled the Yoruba and unite them together Benin is always the senior and second to none
That's the lie your historians tell you,Ife has been in existence thousands of years before Benin kingdom,Herodotus report confirm this
The only link between us,is the Oduduwa kingship,which is up for debate,so don't mix things up
Thats a very funny statement,given ile Ife has been in existence thousands of years before Benin kingdom
@Oluwatishe Thats up for debate,because even I do not agree he came from middle east,the IFA writing people refer to,only said he came from the east,but some people jump on it and start spreading it that he came from middle east
Lle efi is not the oldste city in nigeria you are be paid to say this